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fubah2

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Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 12:42 AM ET #51

Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:So if it’s the CDC’s job to prevent disease, and Trump and the GOP slashed their funding and overseas operatives, then it’s Trump’s fault for the CDC’s fumbling. After all, there was plenty of coverage of that in 2017 and longtime Republicans even thought this was a piss poor long-term strategy. Guess what - it was! As you said, the buck stops with Trump again on that. You are 100% wrong about Trump stopping international flights. Nope, he only stopped flights from China. How do I know? My local hospital got the first family of Covid patients for our area because they flew back to the states with Covid from their ski vacation in Italy. Flew right in and brought it right into my backyard. Thanks Donald! Your hare-brained schemes didn’t stop shit. I just love these kind of posts. First of all throwing more money at the CDC and NIH doesn't solve problems. Money from the NIH was already going to Wuhan to play with bat coronavirus, let's give'em more money. at those times. Other than large aerosols not that much they do other than provide a placebo effect

Defunding CDC and destroying international programs aimed at stopping deadly diseases before they start is exactly what stopped viruses like Ebola and Bird flu from killing millions. While your post clearly ignores decades of successful bipartisan policy, that’s not the worst part of your post.

Perhaps the dumbest, most idiotic part of your post is that I was replying to:

a MAGA who said

its the CDC’s job

to prevent deadly viruses from spreading.

Had to use extra spaces and bold font to spell it out for you, because obviously your reading comprehension skills are lacking

new_poop

It is the nation's job to prevent it from spreading, led by and coordinated by their central/federal government. They seek guidance from medical experts of course, but ultimately the buck stops HERE.

Perhaps the dumbest, most idiotic part of your post is that I was replying to:

a MAGA who said

its the CDC’s job

to prevent deadly viruses from spreading.

Had to use extra spaces and bold font to spell it out for you, because obviously your reading comprehension skills are lacking

new_poop

Rush51

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Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 4:43 PM ET #52

Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

Also, let’s not pretend that Trump didn’t downplay the severity of the virus that I first heard about on NPR and ABC News in January 2020. Trump knew about it then but ignored it. Then later, he stupidly gave a bunch of incriminating interviews to Bob Woodward where he admits that he downplayed the virus and hid information about masks. He knew masks worked early on. There are literally recordings of this. Trump screwed himself with his own idiocy. He has nobody but to blame but himself. Lastly, the most important job of the government is to protect its citizens from the threat of imminent death or injury. I expect the government to do that, you know, how our government did exactly that for 40 years before that with a better-funded CDC. Any candidate who shows malice or apathy to the death of its citizens does not get my vote. Trump will never get my vote after fanning the flames of the biggest health crisis in a century.

Oh really ??

So, explain to me why Biden continues to ""Willingly" leave our sourthern border open, killing 100's of thousands of Americans every year, due to opiods... an_light

Talk about a "dereliction of duty."

MrWhatsItToYa

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Posted: Dec. 1, 2023 - 5:04 PM ET #53

Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:Again, It didn't happen in his ""first"" 4 years in office. Apply a little reasoning to the argument.

Then I guess trump repealing Obamacare (the ACC) and coming up with his own plan that he promised in 2016 would happen on "My first day in office.You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the costs.And it's going to be so easy".Is safe cause "that didn't happen in his 1st 4 years in office" either.

Rush and Uni I will respond to your posts 38,39 later.I gotta run out of here to see a hockey tournament right now.

thirdperson

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Posted: Dec. 2, 2023 - 11:00 AM ET #54

Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

So, explain to me why Biden continues to ""Willingly" leave our sourthern border open, killing 100's of thousands of Americans every year, due to opiods... Talk about a "dereliction of duty."

Despite republican fear-mongering, US south border isn't open. Biden administration and illegal immigration aren't the reasons for fentanyl problem in the US. According to Cato institute, American citizens comprise 86% of fentanyl trafficking convictions. Over 96% of fentanyl seizures have been at legal ports of entry. During Trump administration from 2016 to 2020, fentanyl deaths in the US increased 191%. However Biden administration is far ahead of Trump's and any previous administration in crackdowns on fentanyl trafficking. Biden's 2024 budget invests even more on border security.

UNIMAN

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Posted: Dec. 3, 2023 - 7:51 PM ET #55

Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: So, explain to me why Biden continues to ""Willingly" leave our sourthern border open, killing 100's of thousands of Americans every year, due to opiods... Talk about a "dereliction of duty." Despite republican fear-mongering, US south border isn't open. Biden administration and illegal immigration aren't the reasons for fentanyl problem in the US. According to Cato institute, American citizens comprise 86% of fentanyl trafficking convictions. Over 96% of fentanyl seizures have been at legal ports of entry. During Trump administration from 2016 to 2020, fentanyl deaths in the US increased 191%. However Biden administration is far ahead of Trump's and any previous administration in crackdowns on fentanyl trafficking. Biden's 2024 budget invests even more on border security.

In Biden's first two years in office Fentanyl deaths were 241% higher than Trumps first two years in office.

Midnight1

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Posted: Dec. 3, 2023 - 8:30 PM ET #56

@UNIMAN

"We are going to stop the inflow of drugs into New Hampshire and into our country 100%," Donald promised. Promise broken

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2023/03/02/synthetic-opioid-overdose-deaths-soared-while-trump-was-president/?sh=9e21b3da4dc8

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/29/927859091/opioid-crisis-critics-say-trump-fumbled-response-to-another-deadly-epidemic

Neither has solved the problem.

Dan Uggla hit more home runs than Aaron Judge in his 1st 2 years. But I still would want the team of Judge/Biden than Uggla/Donald.

UNIMAN

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Posted: Dec. 3, 2023 - 8:57 PM ET #57

@Midnight1 You act like being President is a dictatorship. Trump fought hard and was RIGHT.

TRUMP;

2018; Congress must immediately pass Border Legislation, use Nuclear Option if necessary, to stop the massive inflow of Drugs and People. Border Patrol Agents (and ICE) are GREAT, but the weak Dem laws don’t allow them to do their job. Act now Congress, our country is being stolen!

Must build Wall and secure our borders with proper Border legislation. Democrats want No Borders, hence drugs and crime!”

UNIMAN

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Posted: Dec. 3, 2023 - 9:06 PM ET #58

One thing Trump didn't do was promise to end fossil fuels and then demand refineries produce more gasoline in an election year.

Or give UNWRA millions while two independent groups tell the Senate UNRWA teaches kill the j-e-ws. Gives Iran it's billions on 9/11. Then helps Israel.

Midnight1

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Posted: Dec. 3, 2023 - 11:08 PM ET #59

@UNIMAN

There's a lot of things Donald didn't do. We both know that.

I'm hitting the sack. I'm tired of watching the Chiefs crap the bed.

fubah2

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Posted: Dec. 3, 2023 - 11:59 PM ET #60

One thing President Joe Biden didn't do was refer to our fallen soldiers as "losers" and "suckers"

UNIMAN

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Posted: Dec. 4, 2023 - 9:22 AM ET #61

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

One thing President Joe Biden didn't do was refer to our fallen soldiers as "losers" and "suckers"

lie As usual when you really have nothing. lie

philschnaars

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Posted: Dec. 5, 2023 - 5:28 AM ET #62

Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: @MrWhatsItToYa Defend him? Absent the pandemic, he's probably your president today, because the economy goes into a tailspin in early 2020 due to " a Fauci induced" government shutdown, only to start recovering just before the election. People remember their lives being pretty damn good before the pandemic, but got caught up being too emotional about his tweets, pandemic , etc. People will look to Trump again to " make America great again " The best trump flag I've seen ?? FUCK YOUR FEELINGS. TRUMP 2024. So screw your feelings about Trump, and those 91 charges. Because at this point, people are telling "" you"" they don't give a shit about your " show" trials of Trump."Due to a Fauci induced government shutdown".Who was in charge of this country during that time period,cause I don't remember Fauci ever being in charge of the country.Oh that's right,the fat fuckin clown who paints himself orange was supposedly in charge.But like a good little cultist,you won't dare say he did anything wrong.Like everything else during the trump shit show,it's always someone else's fault when something goes wrong. And some "people do remember their lives being pretty damn good before the pandemic".I'm sure all the ones who died cause trump acted like it was some kind of hoax at the beginning.Would definitely say their "life was pretty darn good before the pandemic",compared to being dead afterwards. America is already great,and was way before the orange clown ever even thought about getting into politics.If you think this country needs trump to become great,then you are more screwed up then I thought.A crook and a bullshitter is the last thing this country needs.81 million people will never look for trump to do anything,but to rot in hell.The traitor should be sitting in a prison cell. Nobody gives a shit what the best flag you've seen was,his flag should read "FUCK THE CONSTITUTION trump 2024 You can screw my feelings about the 91 charges,and you clowns can tell me you don't give a shit about his show trials.But the rest of this country does care,the whole country saw him orchestrate an attack on our own country.You actually think people are going to forget about that when it comes time to vote?

name one……. an_popcorn

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name one……. an_popcorn

philschnaars

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Posted: Dec. 5, 2023 - 5:39 AM ET #63

Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: @Rush51See it looks like we're gonna agree that trump is the 1 who is responsible for the economy being sent into a tailspin,and it's all good.And then bam as usual,look at your next 3 sentences,and you turn it right back around into blaming Fauci and Birx 1.He made the mistake of listening to Birx and Fauci. 2.He was heavily influenced by their voices. 3.I think we can make the argument that if Fauci and Birx weren't there,trump wouldn't have been pressured or "induced" to make the decision to close the economy. Boy,to me it sure sounds like you are still trying to cover for him,and throw it all back on Fauci and Birx.But that's just the semantics of it,right? You say both can be true.And i agree,that's why when you JUST mentioned Fauci being responsible in your post #13,and never mentioned that trump is the 1 who did it.I thought I'd bring it to your attention.I'm not trying to be a dick,and i don't like arguing.I was just looking to set the record straight,so then you would have the right information moving forward in your future arguments.And look,now it seems we have agreed upon the "who dunnit". On to the next part about if the other people from his admin and party who can't stand him,are also suffering from your imaginary TDS.Little helpful hint,if you are trying to discuss if someone is also suffering from TDS.You might want to at least mention TDS in your response,16 lines of mush mouth you write out.And not once do you even mention TDS.I guess from your response,we can gather how real TDS is,it's as non-existent as it is in your response. Then you say,"You don't get to be a successful real estate investor by being a panzy ass.In trumps case it's.You do get to be a successful real estate investor by being a panzy ass,who inherited half a billion dollars from your dad. And no he was not respected by both our friends and adversaries.He was almost laughed off the stage by other world leaders,at the UN general assembly,nice try though. If you wanna take another whack at answering if the other people also suffer from TDS,you are more then welcome.

the one where he told Germany to stop being dependent on Russia for oil? an_popcorn

Freedom road was a one-way street

the one where he told Germany to stop being dependent on Russia for oil? an_popcorn

philschnaars

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Posted: Dec. 5, 2023 - 5:44 AM ET #64

Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: @MrWhatsItToYa You are 100% correct that ultimately it was Trump's decision and he is ultimately responsible for closing the economy. His problem was receiving ( and following) advice from Fauci and Debra Birx, and their " bend the curve" bullshit. It was Trump's biggest mistake as president IMO, and the buck stops w him But I also agree w what UNIMAN has posted in this thread. It is spot on and doesn't get talked about enough. Our medical Federal Agencies failed us "" big time"",.... like the CDC. I mean, c`mon for Christ's sake, the name of your responsibility is in your title !!!! , You say, trump acted like it was some kind of hoax at the beginning.... That's completely false. If you remember, Trump was "the" first leader to stop international flights from China when shit started hitting the fan, and yet took flak from the WHO and others that he was "fear mongering " and being " racist." Truly despicable behavior.. So if it’s the CDC’s job to prevent disease, and Trump and the GOP slashed their funding and overseas operatives, then it’s Trump’s fault for the CDC’s fumbling. After all, there was plenty of coverage of that in 2017 and longtime Republicans even thought this was a piss poor long-term strategy. Guess what - it was! As you said, the buck stops with Trump again on that. You are 100% wrong about Trump stopping international flights. Nope, he only stopped flights from China. How do I know? My local hospital got the first family of Covid patients for our area because they flew back to the states with Covid from their ski vacation in Italy. Flew right in and brought it right into my backyard. Thanks Donald! Your hare-brained schemes didn’t stop shit.

was trump on said flight? Sounds to me like trump should’ve closed all international travel, yet he got torn apart for stopping even the main one in China…….maybe your dumb ass neighbors should be acknowledged for bringing it into “your own backyard” lmao you guys really do take a sh*t in the morning and if it doesn’t go 100% smoothly you blame trump for it. You’re a sad sad individual and I’m very happy I’m not you

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