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    hoopsvader
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2016 - 11:04 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    rigged moderator , Dems ?


    emails , lying under oath , Clinton foundation ?

    Benghazi ? 


    MSNBC is saying Trump lied and they need to fact check him and of course they bring up nothing about her emails or lying lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    rigged moderator , Dems ?


    emails , lying under oath , Clinton foundation ?

    Benghazi ? 


    MSNBC is saying Trump lied and they need to fact check him and of course they bring up nothing about her emails or lying lol
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2016 - 11:07 PM ET #27

    mod attacked only trump ,

    interrupted only Trump ,

    the American people are not stupid , he did them a favor down the road 
    The Pastor of Disaster
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    mod attacked only trump ,

    interrupted only Trump ,

    the American people are not stupid , he did them a favor down the road 
     
    MaineRoad
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2016 - 11:12 PM ET #28

    I wonder how many of whatever number of millions of people tuned-in tonight will come back for Round 2.   This was a pretty brutal slog for those who aren't otherwise pretty invested.  I can't say I'm looking forward to two more hours of that.
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    I wonder how many of whatever number of millions of people tuned-in tonight will come back for Round 2.   This was a pretty brutal slog for those who aren't otherwise pretty invested.  I can't say I'm looking forward to two more hours of that.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 12:08 AM ET #29

    Some of you probably know this about me...I live in Indianapolis, I run a small business making TV shows...I don't post opinions on politics here, I just bet on them.

    Just checked the lines put out by 5dimes...

    Hillary moved up as the favorite.

    I live in Indianapolis, and I've lived in the midwest my entire life.  I shoot TV shows every week and weekend...they are very diverse shows, and I talk to a lot of different people from different areas, and mindsets, and I'm telling everyone...

    I don't know how Trump did on national undecided votes.  I think if you were truly impartial, and didn't know who to vote for, you would leave this debate leaning towards voting for Clinton.

    But his message is hitting HARD with midwest working class.  The first 1/3 of the debate couldn't have gone better for Trump, and his republican base.  The rest of the debate was completely irrelevant to that demographic.  He came across strong, for US jobs, and tough against foreign countries.

    Believe me, most of the people in that demographic don't care about fact checking, political prowess, and experience.  They want to hear toughness, nationalism, and someone against foreigners and foreign countries.  I live here, I see and hear it every day.  A lot of the people here don't want to hear a politician pumping her book and website...they want to hear that they matter, and that that they don't have to be scared of foreigners.  That's their main worry, and he's hitting it, and she isn't.

    Trump doesn't have to win national polls.  Those are worthless.  He has to win swing states, and after tonight, I'm not going to be surprised if he wins Ohio and Michigan.  He went right after them, and I think there are enough of those people he can appeal to in those states to win them.  If he does...game on.  

    Working middle class around here have been worked into an angry frenzy over the last few years (you can debate whether it's from media or from actual life experiences), but the biggest issues aren't resume, preparedness, experience, economy, facts...

    It's foreigners, foreign countries, and "politics as usual".  

    It cracks me up watching these reaction shows in NY, or LA, and they have no clue what the pulse is in the midwest with some of these key states of Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.  They don't know what a lot of these people are thinking.

    It's easy to examine the debate, and scrutinize and nit-pick, but I'm telling you...the midwest working class don't give a sh*t about all that.  He promises he'll be tough on foreigners and foreign countries, and he's not a "politician".  It is resonating around here.




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    Some of you probably know this about me...I live in Indianapolis, I run a small business making TV shows...I don't post opinions on politics here, I just bet on them.

    Just checked the lines put out by 5dimes...

    Hillary moved up as the favorite.

    I live in Indianapolis, and I've lived in the midwest my entire life.  I shoot TV shows every week and weekend...they are very diverse shows, and I talk to a lot of different people from different areas, and mindsets, and I'm telling everyone...

    I don't know how Trump did on national undecided votes.  I think if you were truly impartial, and didn't know who to vote for, you would leave this debate leaning towards voting for Clinton.

    But his message is hitting HARD with midwest working class.  The first 1/3 of the debate couldn't have gone better for Trump, and his republican base.  The rest of the debate was completely irrelevant to that demographic.  He came across strong, for US jobs, and tough against foreign countries.

    Believe me, most of the people in that demographic don't care about fact checking, political prowess, and experience.  They want to hear toughness, nationalism, and someone against foreigners and foreign countries.  I live here, I see and hear it every day.  A lot of the people here don't want to hear a politician pumping her book and website...they want to hear that they matter, and that that they don't have to be scared of foreigners.  That's their main worry, and he's hitting it, and she isn't.

    Trump doesn't have to win national polls.  Those are worthless.  He has to win swing states, and after tonight, I'm not going to be surprised if he wins Ohio and Michigan.  He went right after them, and I think there are enough of those people he can appeal to in those states to win them.  If he does...game on.  

    Working middle class around here have been worked into an angry frenzy over the last few years (you can debate whether it's from media or from actual life experiences), but the biggest issues aren't resume, preparedness, experience, economy, facts...

    It's foreigners, foreign countries, and "politics as usual".  

    It cracks me up watching these reaction shows in NY, or LA, and they have no clue what the pulse is in the midwest with some of these key states of Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.  They don't know what a lot of these people are thinking.

    It's easy to examine the debate, and scrutinize and nit-pick, but I'm telling you...the midwest working class don't give a sh*t about all that.  He promises he'll be tough on foreigners and foreign countries, and he's not a "politician".  It is resonating around here.




     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 12:30 AM ET #30

    You can tell trump lost because his emotional supporters are all upset.  Had trump won they would simply sit back and enjoy the victory.  But when you see the white flag tactic of trying to make a Hilary a liar because they know that Deceptive Donald's creditbility gets killed in a side by side comaparison of the debate you know trump is in trouble and they have to try to bring up things other than content of the debate. 

    Results seem pretty clear here although for me personally I do not think that Hillary won this because she is so awesome but rather that Deceptive Donald will be caught lying and really didn't give solid answers as much as he gave slogans.  There is also the temperament and Deceptive Donald's pivoting and attacking when he cracks under pressure but that's another subject
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    You can tell trump lost because his emotional supporters are all upset.  Had trump won they would simply sit back and enjoy the victory.  But when you see the white flag tactic of trying to make a Hilary a liar because they know that Deceptive Donald's creditbility gets killed in a side by side comaparison of the debate you know trump is in trouble and they have to try to bring up things other than content of the debate. 

    Results seem pretty clear here although for me personally I do not think that Hillary won this because she is so awesome but rather that Deceptive Donald will be caught lying and really didn't give solid answers as much as he gave slogans.  There is also the temperament and Deceptive Donald's pivoting and attacking when he cracks under pressure but that's another subject
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 12:35 AM ET #31

    Hillary -245 as of now at one offshore, it jumps a bit from -190 just before tonight's debate. 
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    Hillary -245 as of now at one offshore, it jumps a bit from -190 just before tonight's debate. 
     
    Barbarossa
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 12:46 AM ET #32

    I can't remember a thing Hillary Clinton said.

    We've seen this movie before, when Arnold Schwarzenegger ran against Gray Davis, the lovable Terminator/Twin against the career politician/policy wonk. It was no contest, Arnold won.

    And we went on a misadventure wherein California's steam was picked up by Texas, because it turns out a celebrity debater might not be a good politician.

    But don't tell the public that.

    Hillary is inauthentic. She's been scrutinized so long that she's become gun-shy. She over-prepares and thinks with her head not her heart and the truth is we're all human beings and we relate most to those who evidence their humanity.

    Hillary was a smiling robot, I thought she was gonna recite the 39 Steps.

    But the Donald...

    He was not what he was supposed to be, a bloviating buffoon who was going to make ill-tempered comments about his opponent. We can debate whether he appeared Presidential, but he certainly appeared reasonable.

    Unless you're a Hillary supporter. 

    This is a game folks. Take off your blinders, cast aside your elite degree and get into the pit and try to see what's truly going on.

    Donald Trump is telling people things are bad and he's gonna make them better, that he cares about you.

    And how does he do this?

    THROUGH EXAMPLES!

    There was one personal story after another, about a friend, a business colleague, a reporter, Trump seemed like a real person living in the real world.

    Hillary looked like someone who lived in a bunker, surrounded by handlers, who only deigned to come out because the nation required it.

    I knew Hillary was in trouble from the beginning. When she started off in a measured tone, sans emotion, and then refused to bite back at the Donald.

    He was leaving himself wide open. She could have gone on the attack.

    But she was not employing a rope-a-dope strategy. She never barked back, she never went for the jugular, she just kept repeating her talking points over and over and over again. It made me wish she'd done NO preparation. This debate is not an academic exercise scored by professionals, no, this is a raucous fracas scored by the public and Trump won. Because he played his game. One hiding in plain sight that no one in Clinton's camp seemed to be aware of. He walked all over his Republican competitors and now it appears he might walk over Hillary Clinton too.

    Authenticity wins in the end. Relatability. We don't want to know how the sausage is made, just if it tastes good. And if you give us a free beer we'll let you screw us, it's the American Way. Give in on the small stuff and pull the wool over our eyes on the big stuff. That's how Trump got to where he is.

    Trump said America is losing and he's a businessman who can get better deals which will aid all Americans. He said jobs were flowing across our borders and Hillary...

    Didn't respond.

    Trump left himself wide open. Why did the corporations leave? How many really did? At first he said hundreds, then he said THOUSANDS! And Hillary recited her plan, boilerplate that had my eyes rolling into the back of my head.

    Over and over and over again, Trump made inane, inaccurate statements and rather than delve into them, Hillary whipped out wonkish statements about how the world really works and said she's got experience and this is her plan.

    OF COURSE SHE'S GOT THE EXPERIENCE! OF COURSE SHE'D BE A BETTER PRESIDENT! BUT FIRST SHE'S GOT TO WIN!

    But she can't.

    She's like an aging rocker who thinks he can still have hits in a world dominated by Kanye. A complainer with a modicum of talent who knows it's about being in the public eye each and every day, about owning the dialogue, about biting back at the naysayers. Clinton's playing by nineties rules. It's like she still hasn't gotten over Bill losing the governorship of Arkansas.

    Which is why America is the story of the young eating the old. The know-nothings who don't know any better. Experience kills. Ideas and motivation. Look at the music industry. Techies not only decimated it, they ended up owning it. Along with the taxi industry and businesses that could not previously be fathomed.

    Hillary's out of touch. She's so focus-grouped that she's lost her identity.

    No, you didn't want to sit home and back cookies. OWN IT!

    The hard core Trump supporters ARE deplorables. You speak the truth and then back away, letting the press have a field day, owning the story to your detriment.

    The majority of our nation is poorly educated, can't analyze a situation and can't separate fact from fiction. You wonder why Trump's a contender? They'd rather see theatre than truth. Trump gives them "Star Wars," Hillary gives them "Bambi."


    You can't let your competitors define you.

    She smiled and was even-handed so she wouldn't appear the shark she's been labeled.

    But what helped the African-Americans gain traction and pride? Owning the "N" word. Pushing back. And if you don't think the blacks own youth culture you don't have a Snapchat account, you're probably on Facebook posting pictures of your high school reunion.

    The final chapter has not been written. But today the polls have Trump about even. In order for Hillary to win, she must appeal to the undecided, of which there are very few. Forget you, forget me, we've already made up our minds. But, if for some reason you're unsure...

    Today Trump's offense ran right through Hillary's defense.

    Despite the brouhaha about Matt Lauer letting him slide, Trump ran right over Lester Holt too.

    If Hillary's such a fighter, she needs to PUNCH!

    And only losers believe the rules apply in a knife fight.

    Sending us to your website to check facts, to read about Donald's lies?

    We're right in front of you, can't you close us here?


    If Hillary were an act, she would not get a deal. Like a Berklee graduate who knows all the notes she'd be trumped by Lil Yachty.

    I want Hillary Clinton to run my government.

    But she's got no idea about show business.

    And never forget, politics is show business for ugly people.

    And that applies to you too Donald.
    The Pastor of Disaster
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    I can't remember a thing Hillary Clinton said.

    We've seen this movie before, when Arnold Schwarzenegger ran against Gray Davis, the lovable Terminator/Twin against the career politician/policy wonk. It was no contest, Arnold won.

    And we went on a misadventure wherein California's steam was picked up by Texas, because it turns out a celebrity debater might not be a good politician.

    But don't tell the public that.

    Hillary is inauthentic. She's been scrutinized so long that she's become gun-shy. She over-prepares and thinks with her head not her heart and the truth is we're all human beings and we relate most to those who evidence their humanity.

    Hillary was a smiling robot, I thought she was gonna recite the 39 Steps.

    But the Donald...

    He was not what he was supposed to be, a bloviating buffoon who was going to make ill-tempered comments about his opponent. We can debate whether he appeared Presidential, but he certainly appeared reasonable.

    Unless you're a Hillary supporter. 

    This is a game folks. Take off your blinders, cast aside your elite degree and get into the pit and try to see what's truly going on.

    Donald Trump is telling people things are bad and he's gonna make them better, that he cares about you.

    And how does he do this?

    THROUGH EXAMPLES!

    There was one personal story after another, about a friend, a business colleague, a reporter, Trump seemed like a real person living in the real world.

    Hillary looked like someone who lived in a bunker, surrounded by handlers, who only deigned to come out because the nation required it.

    I knew Hillary was in trouble from the beginning. When she started off in a measured tone, sans emotion, and then refused to bite back at the Donald.

    He was leaving himself wide open. She could have gone on the attack.

    But she was not employing a rope-a-dope strategy. She never barked back, she never went for the jugular, she just kept repeating her talking points over and over and over again. It made me wish she'd done NO preparation. This debate is not an academic exercise scored by professionals, no, this is a raucous fracas scored by the public and Trump won. Because he played his game. One hiding in plain sight that no one in Clinton's camp seemed to be aware of. He walked all over his Republican competitors and now it appears he might walk over Hillary Clinton too.

    Authenticity wins in the end. Relatability. We don't want to know how the sausage is made, just if it tastes good. And if you give us a free beer we'll let you screw us, it's the American Way. Give in on the small stuff and pull the wool over our eyes on the big stuff. That's how Trump got to where he is.

    Trump said America is losing and he's a businessman who can get better deals which will aid all Americans. He said jobs were flowing across our borders and Hillary...

    Didn't respond.

    Trump left himself wide open. Why did the corporations leave? How many really did? At first he said hundreds, then he said THOUSANDS! And Hillary recited her plan, boilerplate that had my eyes rolling into the back of my head.

    Over and over and over again, Trump made inane, inaccurate statements and rather than delve into them, Hillary whipped out wonkish statements about how the world really works and said she's got experience and this is her plan.

    OF COURSE SHE'S GOT THE EXPERIENCE! OF COURSE SHE'D BE A BETTER PRESIDENT! BUT FIRST SHE'S GOT TO WIN!

    But she can't.

    She's like an aging rocker who thinks he can still have hits in a world dominated by Kanye. A complainer with a modicum of talent who knows it's about being in the public eye each and every day, about owning the dialogue, about biting back at the naysayers. Clinton's playing by nineties rules. It's like she still hasn't gotten over Bill losing the governorship of Arkansas.

    Which is why America is the story of the young eating the old. The know-nothings who don't know any better. Experience kills. Ideas and motivation. Look at the music industry. Techies not only decimated it, they ended up owning it. Along with the taxi industry and businesses that could not previously be fathomed.

    Hillary's out of touch. She's so focus-grouped that she's lost her identity.

    No, you didn't want to sit home and back cookies. OWN IT!

    The hard core Trump supporters ARE deplorables. You speak the truth and then back away, letting the press have a field day, owning the story to your detriment.

    The majority of our nation is poorly educated, can't analyze a situation and can't separate fact from fiction. You wonder why Trump's a contender? They'd rather see theatre than truth. Trump gives them "Star Wars," Hillary gives them "Bambi."


    You can't let your competitors define you.

    She smiled and was even-handed so she wouldn't appear the shark she's been labeled.

    But what helped the African-Americans gain traction and pride? Owning the "N" word. Pushing back. And if you don't think the blacks own youth culture you don't have a Snapchat account, you're probably on Facebook posting pictures of your high school reunion.

    The final chapter has not been written. But today the polls have Trump about even. In order for Hillary to win, she must appeal to the undecided, of which there are very few. Forget you, forget me, we've already made up our minds. But, if for some reason you're unsure...

    Today Trump's offense ran right through Hillary's defense.

    Despite the brouhaha about Matt Lauer letting him slide, Trump ran right over Lester Holt too.

    If Hillary's such a fighter, she needs to PUNCH!

    And only losers believe the rules apply in a knife fight.

    Sending us to your website to check facts, to read about Donald's lies?

    We're right in front of you, can't you close us here?


    If Hillary were an act, she would not get a deal. Like a Berklee graduate who knows all the notes she'd be trumped by Lil Yachty.

    I want Hillary Clinton to run my government.

    But she's got no idea about show business.

    And never forget, politics is show business for ugly people.

    And that applies to you too Donald.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 1:45 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsvader:

    So who won the debate.


    Without a doubt it was Donald Trump...Hillary needed to stop Trump's Big Mo ..and that is something she didn't do in this debate..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsvader:

    So who won the debate.


    Without a doubt it was Donald Trump...Hillary needed to stop Trump's Big Mo ..and that is something she didn't do in this debate..
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Without a doubt it was Donald Trump...Hillary needed to stop Trump's Big Mo ..and that is something she didn't do in this debate..


    trump did everything but fling his own poop against the wall. i suppose you can call that victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Without a doubt it was Donald Trump...Hillary needed to stop Trump's Big Mo ..and that is something she didn't do in this debate..


    trump did everything but fling his own poop against the wall. i suppose you can call that victory.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    trump did everything but fling his own poop against the wall. i suppose you can call that victory.


    You know Hillary didn't win,, because people are talking more about Lester Holt than her.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:



    trump did everything but fling his own poop against the wall. i suppose you can call that victory.


    You know Hillary didn't win,, because people are talking more about Lester Holt than her.....
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 2:05 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You know Hillary didn't win,, because people are talking more about Lester Holt than her.....

    Perhaps, Trump supporters should call off Chris Wallace and replace him with Sean Hannity instead on the 3rd debate by the FOX.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You know Hillary didn't win,, because people are talking more about Lester Holt than her.....

    Perhaps, Trump supporters should call off Chris Wallace and replace him with Sean Hannity instead on the 3rd debate by the FOX.  
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 2:10 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You know Hillary didn't win,, because people are talking more about Lester Holt than her.....





    The Pastor of Disaster
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You know Hillary didn't win,, because people are talking more about Lester Holt than her.....





     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 2:15 AM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Perhaps, Trump supporters should call off Chris Wallace and replace him with Sean Hannity instead on the 3rd debate by the FOX.  


    Why ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Perhaps, Trump supporters should call off Chris Wallace and replace him with Sean Hannity instead on the 3rd debate by the FOX.  


    Why ?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 2:21 AM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    rigged moderator , Dems ?


    emails , lying under oath , Clinton foundation ?

    Benghazi ? 



    Not a question about any of it... Was Trump ever charged with tax evasion? I didn't think so. She's such a phony, if the country wants more of what it's gotten the last 8 years, stagnant economy, a coming race war, more immigrants, then vote for that corrupt, lying retread of a politician. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa:

    rigged moderator , Dems ?


    emails , lying under oath , Clinton foundation ?

    Benghazi ? 



    Not a question about any of it... Was Trump ever charged with tax evasion? I didn't think so. She's such a phony, if the country wants more of what it's gotten the last 8 years, stagnant economy, a coming race war, more immigrants, then vote for that corrupt, lying retread of a politician. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Perhaps, Trump supporters should call off Chris Wallace and replace him with Sean Hannity instead on the 3rd debate by the FOX.  

    You can tell by the reactions of the trump supporters that he lost tonight. Trump supporters reverting to the al sharpton routine claiming injustice and unfairness rather than taking responsibility really say it all. 

    It's not what trump, says, does, acts, etc.

    It's purely the biased moderating.  I thought trump got emotional and interrupted and lost control so he had to be wrangled in more by the moderator, but of course this has nothing to do with trump getting angry and defensive.  Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Perhaps, Trump supporters should call off Chris Wallace and replace him with Sean Hannity instead on the 3rd debate by the FOX.  

    You can tell by the reactions of the trump supporters that he lost tonight. Trump supporters reverting to the al sharpton routine claiming injustice and unfairness rather than taking responsibility really say it all. 

    It's not what trump, says, does, acts, etc.

    It's purely the biased moderating.  I thought trump got emotional and interrupted and lost control so he had to be wrangled in more by the moderator, but of course this has nothing to do with trump getting angry and defensive.  Lol
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 6:18 AM ET #41

    Drudge,Time,CNBC poll show Trump won last night. Her smile was freaking annoying all night. She just had that entitled look on her face that you wanted to punch her out.
    Go Green
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    Drudge,Time,CNBC poll show Trump won last night. Her smile was freaking annoying all night. She just had that entitled look on her face that you wanted to punch her out.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 6:32 AM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsvader:

    Drudge,Time,CNBC poll show Trump won last night. Her smile was freaking annoying all night. She just had that entitled look on her face that you wanted to punch her out.
    HRC won according to the CNN poll.

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-poll/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopsvader:

    Drudge,Time,CNBC poll show Trump won last night. Her smile was freaking annoying all night. She just had that entitled look on her face that you wanted to punch her out.
    HRC won according to the CNN poll.

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-poll/index.html
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 7:51 AM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by MaineRoad:

    I wonder how many of whatever number of millions of people tuned-in tonight will come back for Round 2.   This was a pretty brutal slog for those who aren't otherwise pretty invested.  I can't say I'm looking forward to two more hours of that.

    Both candidates went into this debate with so much ammo to attack with, and both failed miserably in doing so.

    HRC, as a career politician, has been readying for this moment her entire life. She looked more polished, although she remained intensely unlikeable. HRC is not a good debater. 

    Trump is an arrogant NYer, who interrupted too often, and got lost in his own thoughts a few times, bouncing from subject to subject within the same sentience. I'm not so sure how well his demeanor will fly in the midwest, which is what's at stake right now. Trump is not a good debater. 

    The reality is that anyone who was swayed one way or the other from this debate is incredibly gullible. There was no knockout from either candidate. IMO, HRC scored a split decision victory, with the Russian judge voting for Trump 


    The next debate will have 30 million less voters, because this one was not good after the first 20 minutes. I was looking at the clock every 3 minutes to see when it was going to end 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaineRoad:

    I wonder how many of whatever number of millions of people tuned-in tonight will come back for Round 2.   This was a pretty brutal slog for those who aren't otherwise pretty invested.  I can't say I'm looking forward to two more hours of that.

    Both candidates went into this debate with so much ammo to attack with, and both failed miserably in doing so.

    HRC, as a career politician, has been readying for this moment her entire life. She looked more polished, although she remained intensely unlikeable. HRC is not a good debater. 

    Trump is an arrogant NYer, who interrupted too often, and got lost in his own thoughts a few times, bouncing from subject to subject within the same sentience. I'm not so sure how well his demeanor will fly in the midwest, which is what's at stake right now. Trump is not a good debater. 

    The reality is that anyone who was swayed one way or the other from this debate is incredibly gullible. There was no knockout from either candidate. IMO, HRC scored a split decision victory, with the Russian judge voting for Trump 


    The next debate will have 30 million less voters, because this one was not good after the first 20 minutes. I was looking at the clock every 3 minutes to see when it was going to end 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    You can tell by the reactions of the trump supporters that he lost tonight. Trump supporters reverting to the al sharpton routine claiming injustice and unfairness rather than taking responsibility really say it all. 

    It's not what trump, says, does, acts, etc.

    It's purely the biased moderating.  I thought trump got emotional and interrupted and lost control so he had to be wrangled in more by the moderator, but of course this has nothing to do with trump getting angry and defensive.  Lol

    Some of them blamed Lester Holt for the "biased or rigged" debate, so perhaps if Sean Hannity could replace Chris Wallace and come to the rescue on FOX in the 3rd debate. 
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    You can tell by the reactions of the trump supporters that he lost tonight. Trump supporters reverting to the al sharpton routine claiming injustice and unfairness rather than taking responsibility really say it all. 

    It's not what trump, says, does, acts, etc.

    It's purely the biased moderating.  I thought trump got emotional and interrupted and lost control so he had to be wrangled in more by the moderator, but of course this has nothing to do with trump getting angry and defensive.  Lol

    Some of them blamed Lester Holt for the "biased or rigged" debate, so perhaps if Sean Hannity could replace Chris Wallace and come to the rescue on FOX in the 3rd debate. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 9:53 AM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You know Hillary didn't win,, because people are talking more about Lester Holt than her.....


    "Start with a CNN poll of debate-watchers, which showed that 62 percent of voters thought Clinton won the debate compared to 27 percent for Trump — a 35-point margin. That’s the third-widest margin ever in a CNN or Gallup post-debate poll, which date back to 1984. The only more lopsided outcomes were the 1992 town hall debate between Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and Ross Perot — widely seen as a maestro performance by Clinton — and the first debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in 2012, when the CNN poll showed a 42-point win for Romney and the horse-race polls moved in his favor in the following days."

    Clearly a tie. if you're a wishful thinking partisan hack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    You know Hillary didn't win,, because people are talking more about Lester Holt than her.....


    "Start with a CNN poll of debate-watchers, which showed that 62 percent of voters thought Clinton won the debate compared to 27 percent for Trump — a 35-point margin. That’s the third-widest margin ever in a CNN or Gallup post-debate poll, which date back to 1984. The only more lopsided outcomes were the 1992 town hall debate between Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and Ross Perot — widely seen as a maestro performance by Clinton — and the first debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in 2012, when the CNN poll showed a 42-point win for Romney and the horse-race polls moved in his favor in the following days."

    Clearly a tie. if you're a wishful thinking partisan hack.
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 7:49 PM ET #46

    In reading the posts within this forum, as well as reading many articles from various media outlets, one thing has become crystal clear, and that is that regardless of what happened in lasts nights debate the vast majority of people seen and heard what they wanted to.

    What was actually said, and how it was expressed seem to be totally irrelevant.
    The majority of people who had an interest in the debate had already made up their minds who the winner was before it even started. 

    The crazy part of this is that most of the people to whom I'm referring believe themselves to be objective 
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    In reading the posts within this forum, as well as reading many articles from various media outlets, one thing has become crystal clear, and that is that regardless of what happened in lasts nights debate the vast majority of people seen and heard what they wanted to.

    What was actually said, and how it was expressed seem to be totally irrelevant.
    The majority of people who had an interest in the debate had already made up their minds who the winner was before it even started. 

    The crazy part of this is that most of the people to whom I'm referring believe themselves to be objective 
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