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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2013 - 5:54 PM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    So now an industry experiencing what is admittedly above average growth is dying.

    That's not real persuasive. 

    It is obvious you do not understand the concept of what a growth cycle is and what a maturing/declining cycle is.

    You can have sales growth and still be a declining/maturing company.

    I know about the changes in technology with Lasik, but none of these improvements will be a growth driver..meaning that will take the industry from a mature, stable industry to one experiencing quarter over quarter, year over year growth AND margin expansion.

    Its ok, nobody is an expert at everything..you obviously do not understand the concept as you gave Walmart as an example of a growth company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    So now an industry experiencing what is admittedly above average growth is dying.

    That's not real persuasive. 

    It is obvious you do not understand the concept of what a growth cycle is and what a maturing/declining cycle is.

    You can have sales growth and still be a declining/maturing company.

    I know about the changes in technology with Lasik, but none of these improvements will be a growth driver..meaning that will take the industry from a mature, stable industry to one experiencing quarter over quarter, year over year growth AND margin expansion.

    Its ok, nobody is an expert at everything..you obviously do not understand the concept as you gave Walmart as an example of a growth company.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2013 - 5:57 PM ET #102

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    So Walmart is in a dying industry then, right?

    Funny, using your logic 90%+ of all the symbols listed on the DOW & NASDAQ would by "dying" because they aren't growing at 20%.


    Maturing...

    And yes many of the companies in the DOW are maturing companies..their growth cycles are slowing.

    Why are you acting like it is some negative thing to say that companies are in mature stages of their life cycle?

    How about throwing out companies like Microsoft and Cisco..


    Its ok 14..you dont have a handle on this topic, its not the end of the world..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    So Walmart is in a dying industry then, right?

    Funny, using your logic 90%+ of all the symbols listed on the DOW & NASDAQ would by "dying" because they aren't growing at 20%.


    Maturing...

    And yes many of the companies in the DOW are maturing companies..their growth cycles are slowing.

    Why are you acting like it is some negative thing to say that companies are in mature stages of their life cycle?

    How about throwing out companies like Microsoft and Cisco..


    Its ok 14..you dont have a handle on this topic, its not the end of the world..

     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2013 - 5:57 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:




    Its ok, nobody is an expert at everything..you obviously do not understand the concept as you gave Walmart as an example of a growth company.



    Uh, no I didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:




    Its ok, nobody is an expert at everything..you obviously do not understand the concept as you gave Walmart as an example of a growth company.



    Uh, no I didn't.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2013 - 6:00 PM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    It is obvious you do not understand the concept of what a growth cycle is and what a maturing/declining cycle is.



    It is obvious you can't keep your story straight. See, in post #77 you said Lasik is a "nearly dead" industry. You then described it as a "dead industry"

    Now, you have to shift to the "growth cycle" because, well, you were spectacularly wrong that the industry isn't growing, and technology isn't improving.

    Par for the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    It is obvious you do not understand the concept of what a growth cycle is and what a maturing/declining cycle is.



    It is obvious you can't keep your story straight. See, in post #77 you said Lasik is a "nearly dead" industry. You then described it as a "dead industry"

    Now, you have to shift to the "growth cycle" because, well, you were spectacularly wrong that the industry isn't growing, and technology isn't improving.

    Par for the course.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2013 - 6:01 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Maturing...

    And yes many of the companies in the DOW are maturing companies..their growth cycles are slowing.



    So they are in dead industries, then, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Maturing...

    And yes many of the companies in the DOW are maturing companies..their growth cycles are slowing.



    So they are in dead industries, then, right?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2013 - 6:03 PM ET #106

    IBM has been in the "mature" company cycle for 35 years.

    I bet you would have said they were dying in 1987.


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    IBM has been in the "mature" company cycle for 35 years.

    I bet you would have said they were dying in 1987.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2013 - 6:12 PM ET #107

    Let me add: the people at Stanford, one of the best Academic Institution's in the world, would not be bragging about their Lasik treatments if there was no future in it. Nor would there be over 7% year over year growth in the device market if the industry were "dying"

    It is growing, but that doesn't mean it is in the "growth cycle" and it certainly isn't dying. The "mature" cycle of a company is the norm, as we see by looking at the DOW. 

    I'd also add that we see from this chart Walmart is both "mature" and growing 

    https://b-i.forbesimg.com/chuckcarnevale/files/2013/05/WMT3.png
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    Let me add: the people at Stanford, one of the best Academic Institution's in the world, would not be bragging about their Lasik treatments if there was no future in it. Nor would there be over 7% year over year growth in the device market if the industry were "dying"

    It is growing, but that doesn't mean it is in the "growth cycle" and it certainly isn't dying. The "mature" cycle of a company is the norm, as we see by looking at the DOW. 

    I'd also add that we see from this chart Walmart is both "mature" and growing 

    https://b-i.forbesimg.com/chuckcarnevale/files/2013/05/WMT3.png
     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2013 - 6:51 PM ET #108

    14,

    You are mixing the issues. IBM is an awesome example of my point. IBM has gone through several growth cycles. You can tell by what their relative growth rate is and associated PE ratio to determine where they are in their cycle.

    Lasik would need a momentum shift, a new avenue for growth to return from their maturing current stage back to growth. And yes if you are not growing in the business world you are dying. Walmart is also in  imilar state
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    14,

    You are mixing the issues. IBM is an awesome example of my point. IBM has gone through several growth cycles. You can tell by what their relative growth rate is and associated PE ratio to determine where they are in their cycle.

    Lasik would need a momentum shift, a new avenue for growth to return from their maturing current stage back to growth. And yes if you are not growing in the business world you are dying. Walmart is also in  imilar state
     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2013 - 6:57 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    14,

     And yes if you are not growing in the business world you are dying. Walmart is also in  imilar state

    Walmart's EPS has never been higher.
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    14,

     And yes if you are not growing in the business world you are dying. Walmart is also in  imilar state

    Walmart's EPS has never been higher.
     
     
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    That the point.

    Margins, growth rates are the concept, not their total profits.

    The profits could be at a high and still not be considered in growth cycle.

    Evaluate their year over year growth rates, their margins and future growth rates. I guess you do not understand this concept. Its ok really.
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    That the point.

    Margins, growth rates are the concept, not their total profits.

    The profits could be at a high and still not be considered in growth cycle.

    Evaluate their year over year growth rates, their margins and future growth rates. I guess you do not understand this concept. Its ok really.
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