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    CiCi’s Pizza franchise owner: I had to sell my business because of ObamaCare

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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2013 - 9:08 AM ET #1

    And another !!!

    A very successful CiCi’s Pizza franchise owner says he had to sell his top performing pizza restaurants because he couldn’t afford the $221K in penalties that ObamaCare was going to impose on him.

    https://therightscoop.com/cicis-pizza-franchise-owner-i-had-to-sell-my-business-because-of-obamacare/

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    And another !!!

    A very successful CiCi’s Pizza franchise owner says he had to sell his top performing pizza restaurants because he couldn’t afford the $221K in penalties that ObamaCare was going to impose on him.

    https://therightscoop.com/cicis-pizza-franchise-owner-i-had-to-sell-my-business-because-of-obamacare/

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2013 - 9:13 AM ET #2

    Obamacare is the Law of the Land. Get over it.
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2013 - 9:45 AM ET #3

    that is what he gets for owning a disgusting pizza franchise.


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    that is what he gets for owning a disgusting pizza franchise.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2013 - 10:02 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    that is what he gets for owning a disgusting pizza franchise.


    interesting...so what did the average Joe do to deserve this??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    that is what he gets for owning a disgusting pizza franchise.


    interesting...so what did the average Joe do to deserve this??

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2013 - 11:29 AM ET #5

    For such a successful business owner he obviously has not done his homework.

    I also doubt the terms "successful" and "CiCi's franchise owner" could ever go together.


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    For such a successful business owner he obviously has not done his homework.

    I also doubt the terms "successful" and "CiCi's franchise owner" could ever go together.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2013 - 11:38 AM ET #6

    people selling diabetes, heart disease and obesity to the public complaining about paying for healthcare.  i just can't get too bothered by that. 
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    people selling diabetes, heart disease and obesity to the public complaining about paying for healthcare.  i just can't get too bothered by that. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2013 - 11:59 AM ET #7

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/312727-shutdown-looms-over-obamacare
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    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/312727-shutdown-looms-over-obamacare
     
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    i know this has been discussed before but now insurance companies can't deny my preexisting conditions like they could before making insurance actually more useful for me and i can keep my kids on my insurance for much longer now which protects them. 

    so why am i supposed to hate obamacare so much that the rightwingers seem to spend so much time in their failed attempts to repeal it at the expense of doing productive work?

    is it because rightwingers who eat cici's pizza for breakfast, papa johns pizza for lunch and chik-fil-a for dinner will now actually have to pay for their own health care rather than working people having to do it when they go to the ER with a heart attack?
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    i know this has been discussed before but now insurance companies can't deny my preexisting conditions like they could before making insurance actually more useful for me and i can keep my kids on my insurance for much longer now which protects them. 

    so why am i supposed to hate obamacare so much that the rightwingers seem to spend so much time in their failed attempts to repeal it at the expense of doing productive work?

    is it because rightwingers who eat cici's pizza for breakfast, papa johns pizza for lunch and chik-fil-a for dinner will now actually have to pay for their own health care rather than working people having to do it when they go to the ER with a heart attack?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i know this has been discussed before but now insurance companies can't deny my preexisting conditions like they could before making insurance actually more useful for me and i can keep my kids on my insurance for much longer now which protects them. 

    so why am i supposed to hate obamacare so much that the rightwingers seem to spend so much time in their failed attempts to repeal it at the expense of doing productive work?

    is it because rightwingers who eat cici's pizza for breakfast, papa johns pizza for lunch and chik-fil-a for dinner will now actually have to pay for their own health care rather than working people having to do it when they go to the ER with a heart attack?

    You've got that right Clubhouse. Million's of children now have health care. They are the ones that need it, old farts like me need not have a freaking colonoscopy at the expense of the middle class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i know this has been discussed before but now insurance companies can't deny my preexisting conditions like they could before making insurance actually more useful for me and i can keep my kids on my insurance for much longer now which protects them. 

    so why am i supposed to hate obamacare so much that the rightwingers seem to spend so much time in their failed attempts to repeal it at the expense of doing productive work?

    is it because rightwingers who eat cici's pizza for breakfast, papa johns pizza for lunch and chik-fil-a for dinner will now actually have to pay for their own health care rather than working people having to do it when they go to the ER with a heart attack?

    You've got that right Clubhouse. Million's of children now have health care. They are the ones that need it, old farts like me need not have a freaking colonoscopy at the expense of the middle class.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2013 - 2:42 PM ET #10

    Now where will fat people get their arteries clogged for $5?
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    Now where will fat people get their arteries clogged for $5?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2013 - 11:38 PM ET #11

    Well....

    I find it interesting that he's blaming "Obamacare" for this-

    Have the monetary penalties been imposed yet?

    I wasn't aware that had been implemented yet-

    But, I could be wrong.....

     

     

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    Well....

    I find it interesting that he's blaming "Obamacare" for this-

    Have the monetary penalties been imposed yet?

    I wasn't aware that had been implemented yet-

    But, I could be wrong.....

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2013 - 12:14 AM ET #12

    In fast food industry, low wage jobs often don't have insurance benefits.  Most employers that provide insurance before Obamacare existed still do so even afterwards.  There are tax credits to help employers.  Also loopholes to avoid paying for employers that don't want to provide insurance.  So blaming Obamacare seems to be a weak excuse.

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    In fast food industry, low wage jobs often don't have insurance benefits.  Most employers that provide insurance before Obamacare existed still do so even afterwards.  There are tax credits to help employers.  Also loopholes to avoid paying for employers that don't want to provide insurance.  So blaming Obamacare seems to be a weak excuse.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2013 - 5:14 AM ET #13

    anyone actually eat at cici's?

    this is simply a cultural issue to me...  the one that opposes personal responsibility and accountability and instead blaming the system for the injustice and unfairness that oppresses them...

    playing the victim role and trying to manufacture any excuse or story that points the finger in any direction then who is responsible...

    It is not a culture that I endorse... but it is interesting to watch how the OP seems to think it important enough to create a thread supporting the victim mentality paradigm

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    anyone actually eat at cici's?

    this is simply a cultural issue to me...  the one that opposes personal responsibility and accountability and instead blaming the system for the injustice and unfairness that oppresses them...

    playing the victim role and trying to manufacture any excuse or story that points the finger in any direction then who is responsible...

    It is not a culture that I endorse... but it is interesting to watch how the OP seems to think it important enough to create a thread supporting the victim mentality paradigm

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2013 - 8:41 AM ET #14

    Failing businessmen will always point to something as to why they are failing.

    If obamacare's mandates are so good and fair, why did he postpone them?
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    Failing businessmen will always point to something as to why they are failing.

    If obamacare's mandates are so good and fair, why did he postpone them?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2013 - 11:42 AM ET #15

    rightwingers tell followers not to buy health insurance, better to just go to ER when they get sick, stick their hands out and have working people pay for their medical treatment.  also twinkies back at walmart, keep eating them. 


    https://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/25/us-usa-healthcare-republicans-idUSBRE96O0EJ20130725
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    rightwingers tell followers not to buy health insurance, better to just go to ER when they get sick, stick their hands out and have working people pay for their medical treatment.  also twinkies back at walmart, keep eating them. 


    https://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/25/us-usa-healthcare-republicans-idUSBRE96O0EJ20130725
     
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    Rick,

    The issue is really a cultural one...

    Rather then people/businesses taking personal responsibility and accountability for their choices and related outcomes, they look to point the finger elsewhere....

    The use of scapegoating and pushing the blame else where has become a dominant way of how people/businesses think....

    This has become the culture of America... And it is not one conducive to things getting better because having a hissyfit or a tantrum over erroneous attribution gives no plan or solution...

    It is interesting to the see the culture that posters like this seem to perpetuate
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    Rick,

    The issue is really a cultural one...

    Rather then people/businesses taking personal responsibility and accountability for their choices and related outcomes, they look to point the finger elsewhere....

    The use of scapegoating and pushing the blame else where has become a dominant way of how people/businesses think....

    This has become the culture of America... And it is not one conducive to things getting better because having a hissyfit or a tantrum over erroneous attribution gives no plan or solution...

    It is interesting to the see the culture that posters like this seem to perpetuate
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    people selling diabetes, heart disease and obesity to the public complaining about paying for healthcare.  i just can't get too bothered by that. 

    Are you saying there is a direct link between pizza and diabetes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    people selling diabetes, heart disease and obesity to the public complaining about paying for healthcare.  i just can't get too bothered by that. 

    Are you saying there is a direct link between pizza and diabetes?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i know this has been discussed before but now insurance companies can't deny my preexisting conditions like they could before making insurance actually more useful for me and i can keep my kids on my insurance for much longer now which protects them. 



    why do I have to care about your pre-existing condition?

    Why do I have to pay for it?

    I'd add: what you're describing is not actually "insurance" as commonly understood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i know this has been discussed before but now insurance companies can't deny my preexisting conditions like they could before making insurance actually more useful for me and i can keep my kids on my insurance for much longer now which protects them. 



    why do I have to care about your pre-existing condition?

    Why do I have to pay for it?

    I'd add: what you're describing is not actually "insurance" as commonly understood.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2013 - 6:06 PM ET #19

    I guess these guys are just missing out on all the good news:

    It appears that Republicans might have an unlikely ally in their fight against Obamacare: labor unions. Although Republicans have until now been the biggest representatives of anti-Affordable Care Act sentiment, some labor unions fear that the law will have ramifications on their workers' take-home pay, retirement benefits, and leverage in collective bargaining. Each side clearly represents vastly different rationales for disapproving of the law, but political and practical stakes for each side are high and. If they coordinate their initiatives, they will be a formidable team against the President and his allies in executing the law.

     

    In a letter sent to President Obama on Thursday, and copied to Vice President Joe Biden, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the president of Laborers International Union of North America, Terry O'Sullivan, warned that he anticipates the Affordable Care Act will come with "destructive consequences."

     O'Sullivan cites particular fears for construction workers, who are often covered by multiemployer plans. Under the Affordable Care Act, there is a $63 per-person penalty for such plans, a tax that O'Sullivan anticipates will come out of the pockets of the workers he represents.

     The repercussions of an increase in the cost of health insurance will extend beyond this initial deduction. It will dismantle current collective bargaining agreements, thus making union companies less competitive and nonunion companies more attractive.

    And O'Sullivan is not alone in his concerns. The presidents of three other unions, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the United Food and Commercial Workers, and Unite Here, sent a joint letter to congressional Democrats last week with a similar appeal. Also, the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workershas purchased print ads in opposition to the law

    https://www.policymic.com/articles/55815/republicans-and-unions-unlikely-allies-against-obamacare

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    I guess these guys are just missing out on all the good news:

    It appears that Republicans might have an unlikely ally in their fight against Obamacare: labor unions. Although Republicans have until now been the biggest representatives of anti-Affordable Care Act sentiment, some labor unions fear that the law will have ramifications on their workers' take-home pay, retirement benefits, and leverage in collective bargaining. Each side clearly represents vastly different rationales for disapproving of the law, but political and practical stakes for each side are high and. If they coordinate their initiatives, they will be a formidable team against the President and his allies in executing the law.

     

    In a letter sent to President Obama on Thursday, and copied to Vice President Joe Biden, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), the president of Laborers International Union of North America, Terry O'Sullivan, warned that he anticipates the Affordable Care Act will come with "destructive consequences."

     O'Sullivan cites particular fears for construction workers, who are often covered by multiemployer plans. Under the Affordable Care Act, there is a $63 per-person penalty for such plans, a tax that O'Sullivan anticipates will come out of the pockets of the workers he represents.

     The repercussions of an increase in the cost of health insurance will extend beyond this initial deduction. It will dismantle current collective bargaining agreements, thus making union companies less competitive and nonunion companies more attractive.

    And O'Sullivan is not alone in his concerns. The presidents of three other unions, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the United Food and Commercial Workers, and Unite Here, sent a joint letter to congressional Democrats last week with a similar appeal. Also, the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workershas purchased print ads in opposition to the law

    https://www.policymic.com/articles/55815/republicans-and-unions-unlikely-allies-against-obamacare

     
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    why do I have to care about your pre-existing condition?

    Why do I have to pay for it?

    I'd add: what you're describing is not actually "insurance" as commonly understood.


    yeah, i'm saying there is a link between sugar, bad fats and carbs and diabetes, heart disease, stroke.  all the garbage you get at cici's and other fast food places.

    you shouldn't care about my preexisting condition.  but i do and if insurance companies now can't reject me, then i like that about the new law.

    you pay one way or another.  you can either pay more with obamacare or pay more with the way we do it now with people just using emergency rooms for treatment and making everyone else pay for it. 

    i'm not saying obamacare is great although i like what i said before about the preexisting condition part, keeping my kids on my insurance for longer and helping poor people get insured, but what is the alternative the republicans are presenting that is better?  clearly, the system is fucked up as is. 
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    why do I have to care about your pre-existing condition?

    Why do I have to pay for it?

    I'd add: what you're describing is not actually "insurance" as commonly understood.


    yeah, i'm saying there is a link between sugar, bad fats and carbs and diabetes, heart disease, stroke.  all the garbage you get at cici's and other fast food places.

    you shouldn't care about my preexisting condition.  but i do and if insurance companies now can't reject me, then i like that about the new law.

    you pay one way or another.  you can either pay more with obamacare or pay more with the way we do it now with people just using emergency rooms for treatment and making everyone else pay for it. 

    i'm not saying obamacare is great although i like what i said before about the preexisting condition part, keeping my kids on my insurance for longer and helping poor people get insured, but what is the alternative the republicans are presenting that is better?  clearly, the system is fucked up as is. 
     
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    I'd add: what you're describing is not actually "insurance" as commonly understood.

    i'd agree with that.  but i have my own interests. the insurance companies will be fine. 
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    i'd agree with that.  but i have my own interests. the insurance companies will be fine. 
     
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    i'd agree with that.  but i have my own interests. the insurance companies will be fine. 

    Ok, so you're for small government except when it comes to your self-interest.

    This sounds like the government employees who vote for Democrats because the Democrats promise to give them more benefits.

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    i'd agree with that.  but i have my own interests. the insurance companies will be fine. 

    Ok, so you're for small government except when it comes to your self-interest.

    This sounds like the government employees who vote for Democrats because the Democrats promise to give them more benefits.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    you shouldn't care about my preexisting condition.  but i do and if insurance companies now can't reject me, then i like that about the new law.


    I know, but now that I'm going to pay for your pre-existing condition (which I'll note "pre-existing conditions" are commonly the sum of bad health choices such as over-eating and smoking) via higher insurance premiums, I have to care. And since your kids are driving up my insurances costs, I have to care about them too

    The logical extension of all of this government involvement is the government regulating your behavior in order to control costs.

    I can't wait to see how you will react to that.
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    you shouldn't care about my preexisting condition.  but i do and if insurance companies now can't reject me, then i like that about the new law.


    I know, but now that I'm going to pay for your pre-existing condition (which I'll note "pre-existing conditions" are commonly the sum of bad health choices such as over-eating and smoking) via higher insurance premiums, I have to care. And since your kids are driving up my insurances costs, I have to care about them too

    The logical extension of all of this government involvement is the government regulating your behavior in order to control costs.

    I can't wait to see how you will react to that.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    Ok, so you're for small government except when it comes to your self-interest.

    This sounds like the government employees who vote for Democrats because the Democrats promise to give them more benefits.



    i'm for small government, not no government, and it's not just my interests but poor and disadvantaged and kids as well.  i'm ok with government stepping in if it helps those people get basic medical coverage.  basically, i'm ok with government involvement for necessities and i consider basic healthcare even for the poor a necessity.

    i really don't care either way as far as i'm concerned.  at least right now.  my preexisting condition when i got new insurance 6 years or so ago was when they asked me if i had been to the chiropractor within the last 2 years.  i had a few visits to try it out so i said yes.  so they didn't cover me for chiropractic visits.  no big deal, i hadn't had plans to go back anyway.

    but i imagine there are people out there with some really serious preexisting conditions, kids with serious illnesses and if they can now get coverage, i'm fine with that even if it means government has to step in to mandate it.

    the part about keeping your kids on insurance until they are 20 something, whatever the rule is, is my more important to my personal interests, although it won't apply for a while. 
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    Ok, so you're for small government except when it comes to your self-interest.

    This sounds like the government employees who vote for Democrats because the Democrats promise to give them more benefits.



    i'm for small government, not no government, and it's not just my interests but poor and disadvantaged and kids as well.  i'm ok with government stepping in if it helps those people get basic medical coverage.  basically, i'm ok with government involvement for necessities and i consider basic healthcare even for the poor a necessity.

    i really don't care either way as far as i'm concerned.  at least right now.  my preexisting condition when i got new insurance 6 years or so ago was when they asked me if i had been to the chiropractor within the last 2 years.  i had a few visits to try it out so i said yes.  so they didn't cover me for chiropractic visits.  no big deal, i hadn't had plans to go back anyway.

    but i imagine there are people out there with some really serious preexisting conditions, kids with serious illnesses and if they can now get coverage, i'm fine with that even if it means government has to step in to mandate it.

    the part about keeping your kids on insurance until they are 20 something, whatever the rule is, is my more important to my personal interests, although it won't apply for a while. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:


    I know, but now that I'm going to pay for your pre-existing condition (which I'll note "pre-existing conditions" are commonly the sum of bad health choices such as over-eating and smoking) via higher insurance premiums, I have to care. And since your kids are driving up my insurances costs, I have to care about them too

    The logical extension of all of this government involvement is the government regulating your behavior in order to control costs.

    I can't wait to see how you will react to that.


    that's true, but i think it happens either way.  either we all pay more in insurance and taxes since more people are in the system and it's subsidized or we pay through higher medical costs.  i guess some sick people will just take it, but people sill still go to the ER in mass and the ER will treat them and not get paid and we all pay higher medical costs as a result. 

    i wouldn't be too excited about the government started regulating behavior as no doubt they'd darn it up terribly and spend a lot of money along the way,   but like i said, there aren't any easy answers.  i'm not sure anyone is saying obamacare is the best answer but it's the only one i've seen to respond to pur screwed up system.  give it a shot, if it works to some degree (nothing will work great in this mess), then great, if part of it works, keep that, if it's a big diaster, someone needs to come up with a better idea.
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    I know, but now that I'm going to pay for your pre-existing condition (which I'll note "pre-existing conditions" are commonly the sum of bad health choices such as over-eating and smoking) via higher insurance premiums, I have to care. And since your kids are driving up my insurances costs, I have to care about them too

    The logical extension of all of this government involvement is the government regulating your behavior in order to control costs.

    I can't wait to see how you will react to that.


    that's true, but i think it happens either way.  either we all pay more in insurance and taxes since more people are in the system and it's subsidized or we pay through higher medical costs.  i guess some sick people will just take it, but people sill still go to the ER in mass and the ER will treat them and not get paid and we all pay higher medical costs as a result. 

    i wouldn't be too excited about the government started regulating behavior as no doubt they'd darn it up terribly and spend a lot of money along the way,   but like i said, there aren't any easy answers.  i'm not sure anyone is saying obamacare is the best answer but it's the only one i've seen to respond to pur screwed up system.  give it a shot, if it works to some degree (nothing will work great in this mess), then great, if part of it works, keep that, if it's a big diaster, someone needs to come up with a better idea.
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