Capital punishment law needs to be national

Authorities said Williams stole a jacket to conceal blood on his shirt. His girlfriend asked him why he would wear a jacket on a hot day. She said she later saw the purse and laptop in his car and that Williams sold the computer a day or two later.

Prosecutors also cited testimony from Henry Cole, who shared a cell with Williams in 1999 while Williams was jailed on unrelated charges. Cole told prosecutors that Williams confessed to the killing and provided details about it.

Evidence had been DNA tested and later the defense attorney wanted the testing redone. It was then confirmed the items to be tested had been touched by the prosecuting team AFTER the original testing was completed. 

27 years from crime to death penalty.

A 77-year-old murderer — back on the streets because he was deemed too old to kill again — was convicted this week of fatally stabbing a Maine woman while her twin children watched.

It took less than an hour for jurors in Auburn to find Albert Flick guilty of murdering Kimberly Dobbie, 48, outside a Lewiston laundromat on July 15, 2018.

Her twin 11-year-old sons were nearby and security cameras captured the moments they ran to their mother as she was being killed.

The prosecutor told NBC affiliate WCSH in Portland that he was particularly saddened knowing that Dobbie's children will never be able to shake the impact of their mom's murder. The boys are now living with a grandmother in Massachusetts.

"What happened to these children is just horrific," Ellis said. "I know there is family involvement, services and we're hoping for the best."

This wasn't the first time Flick has violently attacked a woman.

Back in 1979, he killed his wife, Sandra, in shockingly similar circumstances, stabbing her to death while the woman's young daughter was nearby. He was convicted of murder and served 25 years behind bars.

 No big deal, eh? After all, he paid his debt to society.

This isnt OT justice tv Mugg, the eye for an eye works in the bible but to me and most of society if there is ONE person who innocently died due to the existence of capital punishment then the entire enterprise has to be shut down. We know there has been one there has likely been hundreds of innocent deaths due to this ultra conservative draconian approach. 

There is no wonderful solution to the prison problem and the costs of housing prisoners for life but the fact that a single innocent person had their life taken from the use of capital punishment means the whole thing needs to be stopped. This is not mistakes or odds or things happen, this is the life of someone who deserved to live that was taken from the existence of a system which should not exist in this country.

It still seems very odd to me that one group wants to kill life at it’s very beginning , but has a problem with killing life when it gets older after it has done noteworthy acts of malice and harm .

In my opinion all of the abortions that have ever been administered have resulted in the taking of innocent lives .

Is it not life ?

Is it not innocent ?

should that entire enterprise be shutdown ?

Then you got this other group that wants to protect and save life at it’s commencement , by any means necessary , but ironically has no problem lethally injecting it to death , or using a firing squad to swiss cheese bullet hole that motherfucker into the afterlife , or even electrocuting it till blood explodes in a downpour from it’s nostrils and nasal cavity .

doesn’t make sense . Doesn’t add up . It’s like two hypocrites standing face to face and making fun of each other for not wearing any pants or underwear as they both stroke their wangbones ferociously in some cockamamie bullshit mental duel that’s both perverse and strange . 

the whole situation is so odd . And weird .

It’s a complicated and unpleasant life to live when there are so many discrepancies and peculiar nuances of confusing reasoning being bandied about like a tennis ball bouncing to and fro across the court where a never ending rally of hypocritical behavior is taking place .

if you’re for life be for life . If you’re for death than be for death . God damn . People are so crazy and confusing . 

@spockgato

  I'm not staunchly for or against either. I believe there are certain situations when they should be considered. The word "abortion" & the term "reproductive rights" are paradoxical. That being said, there are certainly situations where abortion is the right move. Where that line is drawn varies from person to person. As does the line for terminating the life of someone that has shown no regard for the lives of others. Case in point, check out the Haynes case in Seattle. The guy, an 8x convicted felon, killed an elderly lady & her dog. He was charged but recently a judge said he was "unfit to stand trial". Really? Unfit? As in he's a fucked-up individual? Ya think? Read all about this murderer & come to your own conclusion as to what the best path of action would be.

 Where I see the hypocrisy are the people that fight tooth & nail for abortion but shun capital punishment. They claim it to be "cruel & unusual" but never stop to think about the victims........or possible future victims.

Thank you for responding to me and for answering truthfully and for being unafraid to do so . You made some interesting points and clarified yourself on your stance . I just find it odd that some people can be such staunch advocates for the option to kill a life in one situation but not in another . And vice versa . I was just asking to hear people’s opinions and not looking to argue or change anyone’s opinion . My participation in this forum has never been for those reasons but I have been mislabeled as a troublemaker because I supposedly side with “ the group “ that has the guts to at least speak their beliefs out loud when challenged to do so on a personal level . And while I don’t always agree with those people or their opinions at least I can respect them for their honesty and for meeting me half way because of their courage . So thank you . And fuck labeling people to make yourselves feel good . Cuz that’s not smart . And very fake . 

Nazi Germany relished capital punishment and employed it quite enthusiastically.  Modern Germany has abolished it.

People who think Nazi Germany set a better example deserve a serious self-assessment.  I certainly won't invite them to dinner.

If only there was capital punishment for corporations which are people, Fox could be charged with deliberate criminal negligence in the death of that woman and 5 men in the January 6 Trump loser rally …..Isn’t that pleasant though!

no one died on J6 but a female Trump supporter , an Army Veteran who got shot unarmed by a thug 

get your facts straight , buddy 

Such the liberal way. "You support capitol punishment? You're literally a nazi."

Some people deserve to die.

A month or 6 weeks ago, i'm watching the local news and see a story about a guy who had raped and murderedba woman AND her child. A literal child. Like a 5 year old. The story was about how he had initially pled not guilty but it being such a slam dunk case, had decided to change his plea to avoid the death penalty. And my thought was, "Why does he have the option?" I turned to my wife and got very dark. I said that if I was emperor of this country, there would be people whose very high paying government job would be simply to dream up tortures for people like that. Then there's the other side of the coin. Guys who think people who want child rapist/murderers put to death are comparable to nazis. Make it make sense.

@joe pockets

In the IMMORTAL WORDS of Robert Reich, "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one."

Kinda like how when you're questioned on something you choose to ignore or just disappear?  

A police office died after being assaulted by rioters.

Get your facts straight, non-buddy.

You said that; I never did.

Here is a perfect analogy:

People who support lenient sentences for child molestors deserve a serious self-assessment.  That support/moral (or amoral) choice does not make them child molestors.

@Raiders22

Thanks.

He was still assaulted by people who showed little respect for a free and small-d democratic electoral process. Many of those insurrectionists are now in prison.

@DogbiteWilliams

  @joe pockets

 Many cities across the country suffered the wrath of 500+ riots which cost the lives of many innocent people. Lib media, like MSNBC, CNN, CBS, etc. tried to play them off as "mostly peaceful protests", Walz just shrugged it off, & Harris supported a bail fund for these thugs. How come you don't bring that up? Should they be charged too?

@DogbiteWilliams

Do you believe a person who rapes and murders a 6 year old and her mother deserves to die? I liken the people who don't support death sentences for these monsters to people supporting lenient sentences for child molestors. Life in a prison, in PC no less, is a lenient sentence.

Republican George Ryan served as Governor of IL from 1999 to 2003.  While in the IL state legislature, he was a staunch supporter of capital punishment (CP) and campaigned as such in his gubernatorial run.  He was broad-minded enough to change his heartfelt opinion as facts were discovered.

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CHICAGO -- Governor George H. Ryan today declared a moratorium on executions of any more Illinois Death Row inmates until a Commission he will appoint to conduct a review of the administration of the death penalty in Illinois can make recommendations to him.

"I now favor a moratorium, because I have grave concerns about our state's shameful record of convicting innocent people and putting them on death row," Governor Ryan said. "And, I believe, many Illinois residents now feel that same deep reservation. I cannot support a system, which, in its administration, has proven to be so fraught with error and has come so close to the ultimate nightmare, the state's taking of innocent life. Thirteen people have been found to have been wrongfully convicted."

Governor Ryan noted that while he still believes the death penalty is a proper societal response for crimes that shock sensibility, he believes Illinois residents are troubled by the persistent problems in the administration of capital punishment in Illinois. Since the death penalty was reinstated in Illinois in 1977, 12 Death Row inmates have been executed while 13 have been exonerated.

https://www.illinois.gov/news/press-release.359.html

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The leading causes of wrongful convictions are false accusations, perjury and official misconduct.  Eyewitness testimony is also notoriously unreliable.  Some jurors believe liars just because they're good-looking or charming.

CP is also inherently unfair.  Wealthy fat cats can afford the best lawyers while the poor are often stuck with public defenders.  Guess who walks more frequently?

Their is also widespread severe racism as is black lives don't matter.  

The study by Sociology and Criminology Professor Scott Phillips (pictured, left) and Law Professor Justin Marceau (pictured, below), to be published in an upcoming issue of the Harvard Civil Rights-Civil Liberties Law Review, found that “2.26% (22/972) of the [Georgia] defendants who killed a white victim were ultimately executed, compared to just .13% (2/1503) of the defendants who killed a black victim. Thus, the overall execution rate is a staggering 17 times greater (2.26/.13) for defendants who killed a white victim.”

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/study-finds-staggering-race-of-victim-disparities-in-georgia-executions-and-that-the-death-penalty-appeals-process-makes-them-worse

@DogbiteWilliams

 I'll ask again, do you think a piece of human waste that rapes and kills a young girl, a literal child, AND her mother, deserves any form of life? I can't reconcile a guy making a comment, even if analogous, about people who support lenient sentences for child molestors when they themselves support lenient sentences for child rapist/killers. You you know what I feel the proper sentence for a child molestor is? Death. Meanwhile, you seem to think three hots and a cot is appropriate.

And what about a monster like Jeffret Dahmer? Why did he deserve to live? Why must a fellow inmate do that the criminal justice system should have? Have you ever seen any Dahmer photos. I did, in my early teens. Do you know what seeing a man's severed head, hands, and penis sitting on a table does to you? Teaches you that the desth penalty is not only appropriate. It's necessary. Liberals: Kill babies but not baby killers. I'm no hardcore pro-lifer but come the heck on.