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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2020 - 2:35 PM ET #26

    President Trump's rating is trending downward nationally ......good news..an_boggienight

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    President Trump's rating is trending downward nationally ......good news..an_boggienight

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2020 - 11:30 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    President Trump's rating is trending downward nationally ......good news..

     

    That from a guy who falsely insists polls are meaningless. an_roll_laugh

     

    In any case, there is no significant trend movement at all, when we realize the source I have repeatedly listed is only summarizing the numbers based on a recent "rolling average" of the last 8 polls, not an actual aggregate of all polls

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    President Trump's rating is trending downward nationally ......good news..

     

    That from a guy who falsely insists polls are meaningless. an_roll_laugh

     

    In any case, there is no significant trend movement at all, when we realize the source I have repeatedly listed is only summarizing the numbers based on a recent "rolling average" of the last 8 polls, not an actual aggregate of all polls

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2020 - 11:42 PM ET #28

    Oh Yes,, the aggregate...

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    Oh Yes,, the aggregate...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2020 - 2:24 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

      That from a guy who falsely insists polls are meaningless.   In any case, there is no significant trend movement at all, when we realize the source I have repeatedly listed is only summarizing the numbers based on a recent "rolling average" of the last 8 polls, not an actual aggregate of all polls

    Not all polls... just the ones that are not favorable to the President..smiley_3

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

      That from a guy who falsely insists polls are meaningless.   In any case, there is no significant trend movement at all, when we realize the source I have repeatedly listed is only summarizing the numbers based on a recent "rolling average" of the last 8 polls, not an actual aggregate of all polls

    Not all polls... just the ones that are not favorable to the President..smiley_3

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2020 - 2:39 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Oh Yes,, the aggregate...

    Right.  The aggregate....as in ALL available polls listed at RealClearPolitics

    over a specified period of significance not restricted to LAST 8 only:

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/tndypqy

    YouGov Biden +7       = 293 / 33 polls = 8.88 mean (since June 1)
    Rasmussen Biden +2
    The Hill Biden +7
    FOX News Biden +8
    ABC/WP Biden +10
    YouGov Biden +9
    CNBC* Biden +10
    Rasmussen Biden +3
    Quinnipiac Biden +15
    NBC/WSJ Biden +11
    YouGov Biden +9
    Rasmussen Biden +10
    The Hill Biden +4
    YouGov Biden +9
    IBD/TIPP Biden +8
    Monmouth Biden +12
    CNBC Biden +8
    USA Today Biden +12
    NPR/PBS Biden +8
    The Hill Biden +4
    YouGov Biden +8
    CNBC Biden +9
    NYT/Siena Biden +14
    Harris Biden +12
    YouGov Biden +9
    FOX News Biden +12
    Quinnipiac Biden +8
    CNBC Biden +10
    YouGov Biden +8
    CNN Biden +14
    NPR/PBS Biden +7
    Emerson Biden +6
    The Hill Biden +10 =293 / 33 polls = 8.88 mean (since June 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Oh Yes,, the aggregate...

    Right.  The aggregate....as in ALL available polls listed at RealClearPolitics

    over a specified period of significance not restricted to LAST 8 only:

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/tndypqy

    YouGov Biden +7       = 293 / 33 polls = 8.88 mean (since June 1)
    Rasmussen Biden +2
    The Hill Biden +7
    FOX News Biden +8
    ABC/WP Biden +10
    YouGov Biden +9
    CNBC* Biden +10
    Rasmussen Biden +3
    Quinnipiac Biden +15
    NBC/WSJ Biden +11
    YouGov Biden +9
    Rasmussen Biden +10
    The Hill Biden +4
    YouGov Biden +9
    IBD/TIPP Biden +8
    Monmouth Biden +12
    CNBC Biden +8
    USA Today Biden +12
    NPR/PBS Biden +8
    The Hill Biden +4
    YouGov Biden +8
    CNBC Biden +9
    NYT/Siena Biden +14
    Harris Biden +12
    YouGov Biden +9
    FOX News Biden +12
    Quinnipiac Biden +8
    CNBC Biden +10
    YouGov Biden +8
    CNN Biden +14
    NPR/PBS Biden +7
    Emerson Biden +6
    The Hill Biden +10 =293 / 33 polls = 8.88 mean (since June 1)

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2020 - 2:45 AM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Not all polls... just the ones that are not favorable to the President..

     

    ...which are ALL the 101 polls this year......save for one by Emerson, Feb 18.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html#polls

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Not all polls... just the ones that are not favorable to the President..

     

    ...which are ALL the 101 polls this year......save for one by Emerson, Feb 18.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html#polls

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2020 - 11:10 PM ET #32

    THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.
    Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46
    Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34
    Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45
    Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42
    North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46
    Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47
    Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45

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    THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.
    Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46
    Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34
    Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45
    Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42
    North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46
    Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47
    Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2020 - 11:29 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45

    Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45

    Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2020 - 11:58 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45 Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers.

    Of course not. They are fugazi numbers. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45 Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers.

    Of course not. They are fugazi numbers. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2020 - 12:02 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45 Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers. Of course not. They are fugazi numbers.

    cool Ohh.... LOL.  Our friend Nature is having a little fun...I get it  an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45 Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers. Of course not. They are fugazi numbers.

    cool Ohh.... LOL.  Our friend Nature is having a little fun...I get it  an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2020 - 12:04 AM ET #36

    The Democrat suicide hotline call board is over heating with calls....

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    The Democrat suicide hotline call board is over heating with calls....

     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2020 - 12:08 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45 Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers. Of course not. They are fugazi numbers. Ohh.... LOL.  Our friend Nature is having a little fun...I get it

    Of course. The Radical Rightists believe they are real...an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45 Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers. Of course not. They are fugazi numbers. Ohh.... LOL.  Our friend Nature is having a little fun...I get it

    Of course. The Radical Rightists believe they are real...an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2020 - 12:12 AM ET #38

    SENATE ELECTIONS

    Arizona: Kelly 48%, McSally 41%

    Georgia: Perdue 46%, Ossoff 44%

    Georgia: (Special): Collins 29%,Lieberman 23%, Loeffler 19%, Tarver 9%

    Iowa: Greenfield 45%, Ernst 43%

    Kentucky: McConnell 55%, McGrath 33%

    Michigan: Peters 47%, James 37%

    Montana: Daines 47%, Bullock 44%

    North Carolina: Cunningham 40%, Tillis 40%

    Texas: Cornyn 47%, Hegar 37%

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    SENATE ELECTIONS

    Arizona: Kelly 48%, McSally 41%

    Georgia: Perdue 46%, Ossoff 44%

    Georgia: (Special): Collins 29%,Lieberman 23%, Loeffler 19%, Tarver 9%

    Iowa: Greenfield 45%, Ernst 43%

    Kentucky: McConnell 55%, McGrath 33%

    Michigan: Peters 47%, James 37%

    Montana: Daines 47%, Bullock 44%

    North Carolina: Cunningham 40%, Tillis 40%

    Texas: Cornyn 47%, Hegar 37%

     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2020 - 1:14 AM ET #39

    Rasmussen poll accuracy...In the final polls before the 2016 election, many national pollsters closely forecasted a Clinton popular vote victory. But,Rasmussen pinned the exact spread: a 2.0 % point Clinton win.  Forget the aggregate ,,, just go with a proven winner.

    Today, Rasmussen polls reporting President Trump's approval ratings are in....He is enjoying a 49% approval rating  better than Obama at the same respective time period in his Presidency. 

    National Likely Voter (LV) Job Approval of POTUS–... 49%

    Men LV App – 48%

    Women LV App – 50%

    GOP LV App – 81%

    Dem LV App – 27%

    Ind LV App – 41%

    White LV App – 48%

    Black Total LV App – 49% !

    Other Non-White Total LV App – 57%

    Can you feel it ?....National backlash is building...

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    Rasmussen poll accuracy...In the final polls before the 2016 election, many national pollsters closely forecasted a Clinton popular vote victory. But,Rasmussen pinned the exact spread: a 2.0 % point Clinton win.  Forget the aggregate ,,, just go with a proven winner.

    Today, Rasmussen polls reporting President Trump's approval ratings are in....He is enjoying a 49% approval rating  better than Obama at the same respective time period in his Presidency. 

    National Likely Voter (LV) Job Approval of POTUS–... 49%

    Men LV App – 48%

    Women LV App – 50%

    GOP LV App – 81%

    Dem LV App – 27%

    Ind LV App – 41%

    White LV App – 48%

    Black Total LV App – 49% !

    Other Non-White Total LV App – 57%

    Can you feel it ?....National backlash is building...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2020 - 1:32 AM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45

    As KellyM_1964 would say ...............goodpost

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45

    As KellyM_1964 would say ...............goodpost

     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2020 - 2:02 AM ET #41

    Take it with the grain of salt, can't be complacent on Biden's lead. Hillary Clinton was leading over Donald Trump in many polls few months before the 2016 election. 

    Pres. Trump leads VP Biden in these states,

    N.C. Trump +3

    Mont. Trump +10

    Mich. Trump +4

    Ky. Trump +27

    Ga. Trump +3

    Sc. Trump +4

    Ak. Trump +1

    Tx. Trump +2

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

     

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    Take it with the grain of salt, can't be complacent on Biden's lead. Hillary Clinton was leading over Donald Trump in many polls few months before the 2016 election. 

    Pres. Trump leads VP Biden in these states,

    N.C. Trump +3

    Mont. Trump +10

    Mich. Trump +4

    Ky. Trump +27

    Ga. Trump +3

    Sc. Trump +4

    Ak. Trump +1

    Tx. Trump +2

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Take it with the grain of salt, can't be complacent on Biden's lead. Hillary Clinton was leading over Donald Trump in many polls few months before the 2016 election.  Pres. Trump leads VP Biden in these states, N.C. Trump +3 Mont. Trump +10 Mich. Trump +4 Ky. Trump +27 Ga. Trump +3 Sc. Trump +4 Ak. Trump +1 Tx. Trump +2 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

    Link shows only one poll with these numbers so hard to tell. That Poll Spry Strategies isn't highly rated either. Every other poll has Biden ahead in Michigan by sizable margin (Quinnipac, ABC News, Public Policy Polling). Could be that outlier Fubah talks about or simply partisan bias, who knows? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Take it with the grain of salt, can't be complacent on Biden's lead. Hillary Clinton was leading over Donald Trump in many polls few months before the 2016 election.  Pres. Trump leads VP Biden in these states, N.C. Trump +3 Mont. Trump +10 Mich. Trump +4 Ky. Trump +27 Ga. Trump +3 Sc. Trump +4 Ak. Trump +1 Tx. Trump +2 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

    Link shows only one poll with these numbers so hard to tell. That Poll Spry Strategies isn't highly rated either. Every other poll has Biden ahead in Michigan by sizable margin (Quinnipac, ABC News, Public Policy Polling). Could be that outlier Fubah talks about or simply partisan bias, who knows? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Rasmussen poll accuracy...In the final polls before the 2016 election, many national pollsters closely forecasted a Clinton popular vote victory. But,Rasmussen pinned the exact spread: a 2.0 % point Clinton win.  Forget the aggregate ,,, just go with a proven winner. Today, Rasmussen polls reporting President Trump's approval ratings are in....He is enjoying a 49% approval rating  better than Obama at the same respective time period in his Presidency.  National Likely Voter (LV) Job Approval of POTUS–... 49% Men LV App – 48% Women LV App – 50% GOP LV App – 81% Dem LV App – 27% Ind LV App – 41% White LV App – 48% Black Total LV App – 49% ! Other Non-White Total LV App – 57% Can you feel it ?....National backlash is building...

    Nope...can't feel it.  Ramussen is not only right-biased, it is an outlier.

    That's why the astute handicapper takes a reading from the majority of polls, never just one, like the UNskilled 'cappers do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Rasmussen poll accuracy...In the final polls before the 2016 election, many national pollsters closely forecasted a Clinton popular vote victory. But,Rasmussen pinned the exact spread: a 2.0 % point Clinton win.  Forget the aggregate ,,, just go with a proven winner. Today, Rasmussen polls reporting President Trump's approval ratings are in....He is enjoying a 49% approval rating  better than Obama at the same respective time period in his Presidency.  National Likely Voter (LV) Job Approval of POTUS–... 49% Men LV App – 48% Women LV App – 50% GOP LV App – 81% Dem LV App – 27% Ind LV App – 41% White LV App – 48% Black Total LV App – 49% ! Other Non-White Total LV App – 57% Can you feel it ?....National backlash is building...

    Nope...can't feel it.  Ramussen is not only right-biased, it is an outlier.

    That's why the astute handicapper takes a reading from the majority of polls, never just one, like the UNskilled 'cappers do.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Take it with the grain of salt, can't be complacent on Biden's lead. Hillary Clinton was leading over Donald Trump in many polls few months before the 2016 election.  Pres. Trump leads VP Biden in these states, N.C. Trump +3 Mont. Trump +10 Mich. Trump +4 Ky. Trump +27 Ga. Trump +3 Sc. Trump +4 Ak. Trump +1 Tx. Trump +2 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/ Link shows only one poll with these numbers so hard to tell. That Poll Spry Strategies isn't highly rated either. Every other poll has Biden ahead in Michigan by sizable margin (Quinnipac, ABC News, Public Policy Polling). Could be that outlier Fubah talks about or simply partisan bias, who knows?

    Actually,
    fivetthirtyeight has Biden ahead +7.4 in Michigan,
    trump up +1.3 in Georgia, and Biden +2.2 in NorthCarolina

    Realclearpolitics has Biden ahead +8.2 in Michingan,
    trump +2.7 in Georgia, and Biden +2 in North Carolina

    Biden also leads in the rest of the SWING STATES:

    Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, and Arizona

    While it is VERY IMPORTANT not to become complacent,
    accuracy matters too...


    As an experienced and skilled handicapper, I for one will NOT
    place equal weighting on an outlier compared to the majority.
    This includes putting any weight at all on a "sample size of ONE"
    To win long-term in handicapping we have to fully understand
    all the tenets of "probability".
    One-offs and flukes *DO* happen. No question.
    But the frequency is exceptionally tiny.
    In college hoops since 2003, HOME favs of exactly -22.5 pts at close,
    have played 150 times and won 149. One loss.
    So an extremely heavy fav DID lose once. Yep.
    So what ?
    Rare upsets like that DO happen occasionally.
    But at 149 to 1, it's foolish (simpleton logic) to place any weight
    on that ONE TIME occurance to repeat.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Take it with the grain of salt, can't be complacent on Biden's lead. Hillary Clinton was leading over Donald Trump in many polls few months before the 2016 election.  Pres. Trump leads VP Biden in these states, N.C. Trump +3 Mont. Trump +10 Mich. Trump +4 Ky. Trump +27 Ga. Trump +3 Sc. Trump +4 Ak. Trump +1 Tx. Trump +2 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/ Link shows only one poll with these numbers so hard to tell. That Poll Spry Strategies isn't highly rated either. Every other poll has Biden ahead in Michigan by sizable margin (Quinnipac, ABC News, Public Policy Polling). Could be that outlier Fubah talks about or simply partisan bias, who knows?

    Actually,
    fivetthirtyeight has Biden ahead +7.4 in Michigan,
    trump up +1.3 in Georgia, and Biden +2.2 in NorthCarolina

    Realclearpolitics has Biden ahead +8.2 in Michingan,
    trump +2.7 in Georgia, and Biden +2 in North Carolina

    Biden also leads in the rest of the SWING STATES:

    Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, and Arizona

    While it is VERY IMPORTANT not to become complacent,
    accuracy matters too...


    As an experienced and skilled handicapper, I for one will NOT
    place equal weighting on an outlier compared to the majority.
    This includes putting any weight at all on a "sample size of ONE"
    To win long-term in handicapping we have to fully understand
    all the tenets of "probability".
    One-offs and flukes *DO* happen. No question.
    But the frequency is exceptionally tiny.
    In college hoops since 2003, HOME favs of exactly -22.5 pts at close,
    have played 150 times and won 149. One loss.
    So an extremely heavy fav DID lose once. Yep.
    So what ?
    Rare upsets like that DO happen occasionally.
    But at 149 to 1, it's foolish (simpleton logic) to place any weight
    on that ONE TIME occurance to repeat.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2020 - 10:01 AM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45 Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers.
    Amy champagne did this one. Her margin of error was plus or minus 5% it was show how the polls can be manipulated to favor one side or another .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: THE REAL POLL NUMBERS ARE IN.Georgia: Trump 49, Biden 46Kentucky: Trump 60, Biden 34Michigan: Trump 50, Biden 45Montana: Trump 52, Biden 42North Carolina: Trump 49, Biden 46Pennsylvania: Trump 48, Biden 47Texas: Trump 49, Biden 45 Link to source please...so we can verify those numbers.
    Amy champagne did this one. Her margin of error was plus or minus 5% it was show how the polls can be manipulated to favor one side or another .

     
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    the truth is polls that showed Hillary as a clear winner left the party lackadaisical approach to actually voting wear she was to win anyway and charged up the top to have a huge turnout. 

    By using the other extreme of the plus or minus 5 percent it shows democrats still have alot to do to win in November.

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    the truth is polls that showed Hillary as a clear winner left the party lackadaisical approach to actually voting wear she was to win anyway and charged up the top to have a huge turnout. 

    By using the other extreme of the plus or minus 5 percent it shows democrats still have alot to do to win in November.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Amy champagne did this one. Her margin of error was plus or minus 5% it was show how the polls can be manipulated to favor one side or another .

    Yes, and that brings up a good point....MOE.

    In that example, it appears an arbitrary amount of MOE (5 percentage points)
    was subtracted from the current leader, Biden. And that *could* occur.
    But on the other hand it could swing the opposite way too, and that is
    no less likely (within the usual 95% confidence level)

    Another thing that often gets overlooked, is for the overwhelming
    majority of polls (I'd estimate at least 80% of them) the poll question
    that yeilds those numbers is usually something like this:
    Q: "If the election were held TODAY, who would you vote for?"
    Most polls DO NOT ASK "Who do you think will win?" -- which is a
    TOTALLY different Q.
    Polls are NOT mean to be a prediction of a future outcome. WRONG!
    Polls are simply an information gathering tool about what the public
    feels on a myriad of different issues -- and ALL public election campaigns
    on a federal or state level, rely on them, including the trump campaign.
    Of course, the most import poll Q campiagns look at first is the one
    asking "If the election was held today...?" They want to know public
    sentiment TODAY, so they can make adjustments in crafting their
    campaigns going forward. Much like the halftime adjustments coaches
    make when they have a full half of stats to tell them what is and is not
    working.
    And because teams will make those "halftime adjustments" that means
    a halftime lead of 7-0 is NOT a sure thing for a victory! Far from it.
    Only a fool would believe that a halftime lead of 7-0 means a win.
    There WILL be adjustments....and in presidential politics that can mean
    several new developments can happen to flip upset the current trend.
    The "October Surprise" (eg. James Comey) is a typical event.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Amy champagne did this one. Her margin of error was plus or minus 5% it was show how the polls can be manipulated to favor one side or another .

    Yes, and that brings up a good point....MOE.

    In that example, it appears an arbitrary amount of MOE (5 percentage points)
    was subtracted from the current leader, Biden. And that *could* occur.
    But on the other hand it could swing the opposite way too, and that is
    no less likely (within the usual 95% confidence level)

    Another thing that often gets overlooked, is for the overwhelming
    majority of polls (I'd estimate at least 80% of them) the poll question
    that yeilds those numbers is usually something like this:
    Q: "If the election were held TODAY, who would you vote for?"
    Most polls DO NOT ASK "Who do you think will win?" -- which is a
    TOTALLY different Q.
    Polls are NOT mean to be a prediction of a future outcome. WRONG!
    Polls are simply an information gathering tool about what the public
    feels on a myriad of different issues -- and ALL public election campaigns
    on a federal or state level, rely on them, including the trump campaign.
    Of course, the most import poll Q campiagns look at first is the one
    asking "If the election was held today...?" They want to know public
    sentiment TODAY, so they can make adjustments in crafting their
    campaigns going forward. Much like the halftime adjustments coaches
    make when they have a full half of stats to tell them what is and is not
    working.
    And because teams will make those "halftime adjustments" that means
    a halftime lead of 7-0 is NOT a sure thing for a victory! Far from it.
    Only a fool would believe that a halftime lead of 7-0 means a win.
    There WILL be adjustments....and in presidential politics that can mean
    several new developments can happen to flip upset the current trend.
    The "October Surprise" (eg. James Comey) is a typical event.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    the truth is polls that showed Hillary as a clear winner left the party lackadaisical approach to actually voting wear she was to win anyway and charged up the top to have a huge turnout.  By using the other extreme of the plus or minus 5 percent it shows democrats still have alot to do to win in November.

    Very good point!

    It *could* all turn around on Biden. No question it could.
    Not likely IMO but it could! I agree! Perhaps another October Surprise!
    Perhaps AG BARR -- knowing he is about to lose his job if trump loses --
    will announce that Joe Biden is under intense investigation for some
    alleged criminal activity.
    THAT would throw the election to trump for sure, even if it's bogus, like
    the Comey announcement did to Hillary.
    trump's team *MUST* make their "halftime adjustments" somehow!
    So all bets are off until we know what that is.

    Even so, the polls showing that more people favored Hillary over trump
    were in fact accurate....she won by nearly 3 million more votes.
    Few if any asked "Who is going to win the electoral college in 5 months?"

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    the truth is polls that showed Hillary as a clear winner left the party lackadaisical approach to actually voting wear she was to win anyway and charged up the top to have a huge turnout.  By using the other extreme of the plus or minus 5 percent it shows democrats still have alot to do to win in November.

    Very good point!

    It *could* all turn around on Biden. No question it could.
    Not likely IMO but it could! I agree! Perhaps another October Surprise!
    Perhaps AG BARR -- knowing he is about to lose his job if trump loses --
    will announce that Joe Biden is under intense investigation for some
    alleged criminal activity.
    THAT would throw the election to trump for sure, even if it's bogus, like
    the Comey announcement did to Hillary.
    trump's team *MUST* make their "halftime adjustments" somehow!
    So all bets are off until we know what that is.

    Even so, the polls showing that more people favored Hillary over trump
    were in fact accurate....she won by nearly 3 million more votes.
    Few if any asked "Who is going to win the electoral college in 5 months?"

     

     
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    The Comeback....1993...Buffalo Bills, down 27-3 at half time ..recovered from a 32-point deficit to win in O/T 41–38 over the Houston Oilers..

    I had the Bills ...moneybag thriller..

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    The Comeback....1993...Buffalo Bills, down 27-3 at half time ..recovered from a 32-point deficit to win in O/T 41–38 over the Houston Oilers..

    I had the Bills ...moneybag thriller..

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim: Rasmussen poll accuracy...In the final polls before the 2016 election, many national pollsters closely forecasted a Clinton popular vote victory. But,Rasmussen pinned the exact spread: a 2.0 % point Clinton win.  Forget the aggregate ,,, just go with a proven winner. Today, Rasmussen polls reporting President Trump's approval ratings are in....He is enjoying a 49% approval rating  better than Obama at the same respective time period in his Presidency.  National Likely Voter (LV) Job Approval of POTUS–... 49% Men LV App – 48% Women LV App – 50% GOP LV App – 81% Dem LV App – 27% Ind LV App – 41% White LV App – 48% Black Total LV App – 49% ! Other Non-White Total LV App – 57% Can you feel it ?....National backlash is building... Nope...can't feel it.  Ramussen is not only right-biased, it is an outlier. That's why the astute handicapper takes a reading from the majority of polls, never just one, like the UNskilled 'cappers do.

    You must of had Hilary winning the presidential election then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim: Rasmussen poll accuracy...In the final polls before the 2016 election, many national pollsters closely forecasted a Clinton popular vote victory. But,Rasmussen pinned the exact spread: a 2.0 % point Clinton win.  Forget the aggregate ,,, just go with a proven winner. Today, Rasmussen polls reporting President Trump's approval ratings are in....He is enjoying a 49% approval rating  better than Obama at the same respective time period in his Presidency.  National Likely Voter (LV) Job Approval of POTUS–... 49% Men LV App – 48% Women LV App – 50% GOP LV App – 81% Dem LV App – 27% Ind LV App – 41% White LV App – 48% Black Total LV App – 49% ! Other Non-White Total LV App – 57% Can you feel it ?....National backlash is building... Nope...can't feel it.  Ramussen is not only right-biased, it is an outlier. That's why the astute handicapper takes a reading from the majority of polls, never just one, like the UNskilled 'cappers do.

    You must of had Hilary winning the presidential election then?

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