@raiders. Here a tragic case of a homeless lady who fell asleep in tall grass.
A homeless mother sleeping in a California park was killed last week after she was run over by a lawnmower — and investigators left “chunks” of her body strewn across the grass, her family claims.
Source. https://nypost.com/2023/07/16/california-woman-christine-chavez-dead-after-being-runover-by-lawnmower/
So say we have 50,000 of her kind here in California born and raised. As us citizens
So when you reach that point you can't get a job. Without I'd. Can't goto a shelter without I'd. Can't have anything foodstuffs or any benefit without I'd.
And you can't get an ID with I UT an address social security card and birth certificate.
So how does rhat thing make it in today's American culture. They don't they either human trafficked end up in sex slavery over addictions or enter the penal system or die. That's the choice they have.
If they want ID, they can get ID.
For example:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/california-id-homeless-people_n_55ae9054e4b07af29d568b34
and
The plan was developed by USICH with the collective thinking of 19 federal agencies that make up the USICH Council, and it will be updated annually to reflect the latest evidence, progress, and input.
To develop All In, USICH undertook a comprehensive and inclusive input process that included more than 1,500 online comments and 81 listening sessions that gathered feedback from thousands of providers, elected officials, advocates, and others—including more than 500 who have experienced homelessness. The process included people from nearly 650 communities, tribes, and territories.
All In sets an ambitious goal to reduce homelessness 25% by 2025 and encourages state and local governments to use the plan as a blueprint for developing their own strategic plans and for setting their own ambitious goals for 2025.
The plan is built around six pillars: three foundations—equity, data and evidence, and collaboration—and three solutions—housing and supports, crisis response, and prevention. Within each pillar are strategies and actions that lay the groundwork for a future when no one experiences homelessness—not even for one night.
19 agencies billions in federal assistance and we can clearly see these people die In the streets..
Everyday the crime misery and death toll rises meanwhile their is still a debate raging about who fault it is and what should be done if anything .
All while this administration as every other administration states we will reduce the issue.
Well certainly if rhey are dead they are no l I nger homeless....
But illegals aside, because I think they should be sent back, homeless people more than likely have ID or can very easily get it.
They simply do not want to or have issues that impair them.
These are not the folks you want to recruit/mandate to do this work. They will not do it or get it done.
Besides the newer ending list of groups that all state something matters to them.
Such as black k Ives matter.
National organizations for wome.s rights the yes movement.
No domestic violence is tolerated coalition
And endless bull shit that states they will make some kind of difference for people like that think left in pcs in a park in Modesto California.
its the shame of our throw away replacement needed culture.
and all talk in washington or any other state Capitol is not going to fix this ...but by al means lets look forward to the next round table discussion and see what the new slogans and catch phases emerge as talking points.
Ending hopelessness misery
To get an ID in Maine you need a mailing address social security card and bank statement.
To get a social security card you need an address.
To get a bank account you need a social security card an address an an ID.
Seems like if your actually homeless than within these parameters you can't get an a home because you have to make sure that the person is legal resident right?
And you need all of this information plus references to get a job and provide the ways and means to get a place.
Not being legitimately able to get an ID is very, very rare.
But you got sidetracked from your main issue of forest management using these folks.
When you say it out loud it does not seem like a good idea. You want to try to convince these folks that cannot get an ID, according to you, to actually take a responsible job -- instead of using the folks that are already trained to do this type of work and are responsible enough to show up to do the work, etc.
As for the tolerances foe their substance abuse issues... ok no power machinery and wasn't that far in antiquity that others have had very serious issues with this exact situation.... raiders.
Yes certain examples can truly change there lives. But not everyone is able to be accepted in any college much less excel enough to pass the bar and know where Anniston Alabama is let alone what it was sir.
Approximately 582,500 people were unhoused in January 2022.
Source https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/housing-supply-and-homelessness/
If a tenth of these were willing to live in tents and remove dead wood from our forests that could be turned to chips and bio fibers.
Then we have a work force of 50 thousand.
And that would be enough to achieve mission goals as described in law approving the 4 billion dollar funding package for this mission.
Reduce the fire Hazzard in national forests and parks owned by the American people . Managed currently by the department of the interior Bureau of Land Management.
Or shrug our shoulders and watch it look like eastern Canadian forests today..
By qualified, it would mean more than simply picking ups sticks.
But if you have the openings and they qualify and want to work, then let them put in for the job.
Even some of the folks that have had some issues happen to them would not limit them from being able to learn and do the job. I am simply saying you are very unlikely to say you are going to solve two problems at the same time with this solution.
These are the same folks that will not even go into the fields in California and pick crops. Now you want to make them learn to run heavy equipment and go into the forest and do manual labor.
Maybe a very few will do it; most will not.
@nature1970
'Unhoused' is a Liberal euphemism to me.
Your numbers assume that all are working age and able; they are not. Some are too young, old, disabled, mentally-challenged, or substance-addicted, or simply do not want to work.
However, if you came up with that amount of able-bodied folks that actually wanted to do that work -- sure, hire them.
@nature1970
You can easily make the case that the Canadians shrugged their shoulders and did what the USA did. This is nothing new. The USA has not been properly managing forests for a long time.
@raiders.
It was done but in different circumstances.
Tucked away on a dead-end street a few blocks from Ring Central Coliseum in East Oakland sits a curbside community whose residents call themselves the 77th Avenue Rangers. The cul-de-sac is home to 14 temporary dwellings, from trailers to tents and makeshift structures, providing shelter to about 20 people.
As encampment fires spiked in Oakland and San Francisco during the first year of the pandemic, they fell by half in the Rangers community to just six. One reason for the disparity? The Rangers beefed up fire precautions. The community’s last tent fire occurred 18 months ago, and when a vehicle caught fire in December 2021, residents were prepared. They used fire extinguishers to put out the blaze.
A mother of three who was caught under a freeway overpass in San Francisco’s Glen Park neighborhood didn’t have the good fortune to live in a community with the Rangers’ tools and preparation. A February fire killed her and severely injured three others.
Encampment fires are a fact of life due to the exposed conditions unhoused residents live in, and have led to painful consequences for residents of encampments like the pair of sites along a freeway exit in Berkeley known as Seabreeze, who were removed by state officials last summer after a series of fires. But the Rangers’ camp demonstrates that there’s hope for controlling these incidents without official intervention. The key to their success has been fire preparedness, including measures like installing smoke alarms and keeping fire extinguishers on hand, according to Derrick Soo, leader of the Rangers community.
“Fire safety measures are a necessity, including at encampments, because every human life is valuable,” said Paul-Kealoha Blake, a member of Berkeley’s Homeless Commission and a volunteer with the nonprofit Consider the Homeless! “Encampment fires are an issue because they endanger both the resident of the structure that’s on fire and endangers the encampment.”
Source. https://www.sfpublicpress.org/grassroots-nonprofits-and-homeless-communities-create-their-own-fire-prevention-solutions/
I was hoping you catch this...
It was a soft pitch in the middle of the plate with no movement sir.
The number 1 cause foe wildfires in California is Homeless or " campers" utilizing fire as a way to prepare food in open circle sometimes wheel rim pits with metal grating and wood as fuel.
So is there a way to utilize these more tribal hunter gathers of the environmental movement. Then think every environmental group is based in some global civilization of order that has a hard time finding their glasses let alone the Sunday paper....
@raiders
"However, if you came up with that amount of able-bodied folks that actually wanted to do that work -- sure, hire them."
Dealing in this context sir would you have any suggestions in ways to spread the word that the government would pay them to pick up sticks in the woods.
Because standard flameable pamphlet dropped as propaganda seems counter productive.....
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