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    would you have folded JJ preflop?

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    Godfather16
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2007 - 12:19 PM ET #26

    it's about 50-50 that he had you beat, some tools will really overplay AK AQ KQ, etc. He may have had 88 99 or TT. Guys can push hard with those because he's afraid of you 2 overs. ANd if he had AA or KK he would probably raise smaller, say to 70, knowing he's gonna push the other 70 in after the flop and get you on the hook for all of your chips. QQ maybe he goes all in scared of you having an ace. Without any reads on this guy it's hard to say. But think about if you had AA you're looking for a caller, if you have JJ you would rather pick up the money in the pot and not see a flop.
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    it's about 50-50 that he had you beat, some tools will really overplay AK AQ KQ, etc. He may have had 88 99 or TT. Guys can push hard with those because he's afraid of you 2 overs. ANd if he had AA or KK he would probably raise smaller, say to 70, knowing he's gonna push the other 70 in after the flop and get you on the hook for all of your chips. QQ maybe he goes all in scared of you having an ace. Without any reads on this guy it's hard to say. But think about if you had AA you're looking for a caller, if you have JJ you would rather pick up the money in the pot and not see a flop.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2007 - 5:57 PM ET #27

    what a question, fold for sure, what are jacks? shit as hell
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    what a question, fold for sure, what are jacks? shit as hell
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2007 - 7:46 AM ET #28

    smart play was to fold.
     
    I'd say it was an over bet, he prolly had KQ/KJ/A10 suited or a mid paid...not wanting action, or isolating to one.  Also, did you notice whether he was a tight player or whether he kept losing for the day...tendencies/emotions are big.
     
    Smart play...I usually fold in coin flip situations, that's just not the odds I want.
     
     
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    smart play was to fold.
     
    I'd say it was an over bet, he prolly had KQ/KJ/A10 suited or a mid paid...not wanting action, or isolating to one.  Also, did you notice whether he was a tight player or whether he kept losing for the day...tendencies/emotions are big.
     
    Smart play...I usually fold in coin flip situations, that's just not the odds I want.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2008 - 12:32 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    I think it is a call.  Not knowing previous tendencies, it is hard to say for sure, but I think it is extremely likely the guy that went all in does not have aces or kings.  He wants to win more than 20 bucks with his aces.  I think he has a medium pair like Nines and he is trying to either buy the pot or be in a coin flip.  If he is a reckless player he could have garbage.

    Safe play is to lay it down, but if you are in the position to gamble, then this would be a good spot.  Most of the time when people overbet the pot by a large margin, they have garbage and are showing off their poker "skill".

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    I think it is a call.  Not knowing previous tendencies, it is hard to say for sure, but I think it is extremely likely the guy that went all in does not have aces or kings.  He wants to win more than 20 bucks with his aces.  I think he has a medium pair like Nines and he is trying to either buy the pot or be in a coin flip.  If he is a reckless player he could have garbage.

    Safe play is to lay it down, but if you are in the position to gamble, then this would be a good spot.  Most of the time when people overbet the pot by a large margin, they have garbage and are showing off their poker "skill".

     

    I would love to play at a table with you any day!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2008 - 12:39 PM ET #30

    Pretty easy to fold J's IMO when someone is raising your re-raise. I have to have some REAL specific information on someone who did that to make a call there. 
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    Pretty easy to fold J's IMO when someone is raising your re-raise. I have to have some REAL specific information on someone who did that to make a call there. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2008 - 9:22 AM ET #31

    NJ

    I was living in FL for a few years before moving back to NYC in Sept.  When they allowed NL games in July I started playing at Daytona and in Tampa.  The game was extremely easy. Unfortunately they only had 1/2 and 2/5.  The 2/5 wasnt worth playing because it was a $100 max buy in.  Thats even low for the 1/2 game but its much better then buying in for 20 bb's.  In that game you can basically throw away anything not a KK or AA for a re raise pre flop down there.  For the amount of times its only AK its not worth calling.  I would guess 90% of the time when I was reraised pre flop it was kk are AA.  I folded QQ in same spot as you without hesitation.  Their hadnt been a reraise pre flop in an hour and the guy who did it was not a loose cannon.  And the beauty is anyone who has a KK or AA loves to show it after everyone folds because its a big deal to be dealt such a great hand.  I laid down botom set there one time on the flop and showed it.  Flop was 567 two diamonds.  I raised and the guy next to me reraised large.  I folded and showed knowing he would show me the nuts which he did.  I was actually criticized by the other geniuses in the game for folding because after all I could have made a FH.  I told them couldnt a set of 7's been a possibility for him to have?  That would have been worse then the straight.  He makes that raise with 77 and unless i make quads i am done.  So that told me the guy could have showed himt he straight he still would have chased.  Scary.  Basically in that game dont read too much into what they are doing.  The reraises generally are what they appear to be.  You will occasionally fold a winner but it will save you a lot more int he long run there.  In a better game of course its a little different.

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    I was living in FL for a few years before moving back to NYC in Sept.  When they allowed NL games in July I started playing at Daytona and in Tampa.  The game was extremely easy. Unfortunately they only had 1/2 and 2/5.  The 2/5 wasnt worth playing because it was a $100 max buy in.  Thats even low for the 1/2 game but its much better then buying in for 20 bb's.  In that game you can basically throw away anything not a KK or AA for a re raise pre flop down there.  For the amount of times its only AK its not worth calling.  I would guess 90% of the time when I was reraised pre flop it was kk are AA.  I folded QQ in same spot as you without hesitation.  Their hadnt been a reraise pre flop in an hour and the guy who did it was not a loose cannon.  And the beauty is anyone who has a KK or AA loves to show it after everyone folds because its a big deal to be dealt such a great hand.  I laid down botom set there one time on the flop and showed it.  Flop was 567 two diamonds.  I raised and the guy next to me reraised large.  I folded and showed knowing he would show me the nuts which he did.  I was actually criticized by the other geniuses in the game for folding because after all I could have made a FH.  I told them couldnt a set of 7's been a possibility for him to have?  That would have been worse then the straight.  He makes that raise with 77 and unless i make quads i am done.  So that told me the guy could have showed himt he straight he still would have chased.  Scary.  Basically in that game dont read too much into what they are doing.  The reraises generally are what they appear to be.  You will occasionally fold a winner but it will save you a lot more int he long run there.  In a better game of course its a little different.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2008 - 9:22 AM ET #32

    NJ

    I was living in FL for a few years before moving back to NYC in Sept.  When they allowed NL games in July I started playing at Daytona and in Tampa.  The game was extremely easy. Unfortunately they only had 1/2 and 2/5.  The 2/5 wasnt worth playing because it was a $100 max buy in.  Thats even low for the 1/2 game but its much better then buying in for 20 bb's.  In that game you can basically throw away anything not a KK or AA for a re raise pre flop down there.  For the amount of times its only AK its not worth calling.  I would guess 90% of the time when I was reraised pre flop it was kk are AA.  I folded QQ in same spot as you without hesitation.  Their hadnt been a reraise pre flop in an hour and the guy who did it was not a loose cannon.  And the beauty is anyone who has a KK or AA loves to show it after everyone folds because its a big deal to be dealt such a great hand.  I laid down botom set there one time on the flop and showed it.  Flop was 567 two diamonds.  I raised and the guy next to me reraised large.  I folded and showed knowing he would show me the nuts which he did.  I was actually criticized by the other geniuses in the game for folding because after all I could have made a FH.  I told them couldnt a set of 7's been a possibility for him to have?  That would have been worse then the straight.  He makes that raise with 77 and unless i make quads i am done.  So that told me the guy could have showed himt he straight he still would have chased.  Scary.  Basically in that game dont read too much into what they are doing.  The reraises generally are what they appear to be.  You will occasionally fold a winner but it will save you a lot more int he long run there.  In a better game of course its a little different.

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    NJ

    I was living in FL for a few years before moving back to NYC in Sept.  When they allowed NL games in July I started playing at Daytona and in Tampa.  The game was extremely easy. Unfortunately they only had 1/2 and 2/5.  The 2/5 wasnt worth playing because it was a $100 max buy in.  Thats even low for the 1/2 game but its much better then buying in for 20 bb's.  In that game you can basically throw away anything not a KK or AA for a re raise pre flop down there.  For the amount of times its only AK its not worth calling.  I would guess 90% of the time when I was reraised pre flop it was kk are AA.  I folded QQ in same spot as you without hesitation.  Their hadnt been a reraise pre flop in an hour and the guy who did it was not a loose cannon.  And the beauty is anyone who has a KK or AA loves to show it after everyone folds because its a big deal to be dealt such a great hand.  I laid down botom set there one time on the flop and showed it.  Flop was 567 two diamonds.  I raised and the guy next to me reraised large.  I folded and showed knowing he would show me the nuts which he did.  I was actually criticized by the other geniuses in the game for folding because after all I could have made a FH.  I told them couldnt a set of 7's been a possibility for him to have?  That would have been worse then the straight.  He makes that raise with 77 and unless i make quads i am done.  So that told me the guy could have showed himt he straight he still would have chased.  Scary.  Basically in that game dont read too much into what they are doing.  The reraises generally are what they appear to be.  You will occasionally fold a winner but it will save you a lot more int he long run there.  In a better game of course its a little different.

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2008 - 2:31 PM ET #33

    you almost have to fold unless you really know the guy well.  i would call if
    1.  he was there a while and was losing and playing loose and "trying to double up or go home"
     
    thats about it tho.  the 5 dollar bet isnt even a raise its like a sneeze.  but 130 more with jacks would be dumb.
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    you almost have to fold unless you really know the guy well.  i would call if
    1.  he was there a while and was losing and playing loose and "trying to double up or go home"
     
    thats about it tho.  the 5 dollar bet isnt even a raise its like a sneeze.  but 130 more with jacks would be dumb.
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