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    PokerStars Apparent Poker Software Malfunction

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    djcfl1
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 12:52 PM ET #1

    I've been messing around on there for about a week now in play money games (the software will play the same whether money is on the line or not) and consistently (I'd say 70% or higher of the time) if two people are all-in and Person A has Person B dominated by having them outkicked (ex. A10 v. J10), the underkicked card (J here) hits consistently. 

    It seems to me its flip flopping the percentages. Only explanation I can come up with.
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    I've been messing around on there for about a week now in play money games (the software will play the same whether money is on the line or not) and consistently (I'd say 70% or higher of the time) if two people are all-in and Person A has Person B dominated by having them outkicked (ex. A10 v. J10), the underkicked card (J here) hits consistently. 

    It seems to me its flip flopping the percentages. Only explanation I can come up with.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 1:05 PM ET #2

    oh boy, do you have any idea what you just did? Listen, there are rules to this forum. You can't have thoughts or ideas or want to discuss anything b/c Tranny aka electricldylnd will rip you a new butt hole and call you a rigtard. You've been warned my friend.

    ...now on to your statement.  I am not sure if this is a software flaw, or just an small sample of an unlucky streak that you've been witnessed too.  I have always been a believer though that a software can not duplicate human actions (specifically card shuffling).  (I'm a little nervous b/c I shared an opinion).

    In a nutshell, I don't play online as I prefer live games but I've seen many many times where the underkicked card hits and the dog wins. It's poker...combo of luck and skill.



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    oh boy, do you have any idea what you just did? Listen, there are rules to this forum. You can't have thoughts or ideas or want to discuss anything b/c Tranny aka electricldylnd will rip you a new butt hole and call you a rigtard. You've been warned my friend.

    ...now on to your statement.  I am not sure if this is a software flaw, or just an small sample of an unlucky streak that you've been witnessed too.  I have always been a believer though that a software can not duplicate human actions (specifically card shuffling).  (I'm a little nervous b/c I shared an opinion).

    In a nutshell, I don't play online as I prefer live games but I've seen many many times where the underkicked card hits and the dog wins. It's poker...combo of luck and skill.



     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 1:43 PM ET #3

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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 1:44 PM ET #4

    I'm pretty sure this used to happen when I was on PokerStars playing for real a few years back. All the websites have their own problems. 

    Other than the kicker thing PS actually plays pretty well. It comes down to mostly skill outside of this kicker issue. 
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    I'm pretty sure this used to happen when I was on PokerStars playing for real a few years back. All the websites have their own problems. 

    Other than the kicker thing PS actually plays pretty well. It comes down to mostly skill outside of this kicker issue. 
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 1:45 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by lbcake:

    rigtard

    I don't think I can sleep now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbcake:

    rigtard

    I don't think I can sleep now...

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 3:03 PM ET #6

     - you all know he is lurking. count the little moments you have left djcfl1...he's coming...
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     - you all know he is lurking. count the little moments you have left djcfl1...he's coming...
     
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    Yea that underdog happens and yes there are many times where I build up a stack and feel robbed and sit there in shock just saying to myself...did that shit really just happen.

    But that BS happens anywhere and Ive gone through it at live casinos just as much as the internet. I used to damn near live in the poker rooms at the Goldstrike and Horseshoe in Tunica, MS.

    But that bad luck comes and goes it doesnt matter who you are. The only way to get through it is to keep yourself in high probability situations and you will build up some nice stacks quickly and then finish in the money if you know how to play once the blinds get big.

    I am no stranger in the past of being a victim of cant fold-a-titus but after I got busted I felt I knew better than to go all in with that damn hand.  

    I am no high roller I play the $1 to $10 average tournies on pokerstars. And yes because of the low buy ins and large number of players there are no shortage of reckless players but that is a good thing also when you catch a hand here and there.

    If you want a little more respectable play you need to play in the $50 dollar and up tournies.

    If you are a average player playing in low buy in tournies, you just need to realize that its not rigged because nobody forces you to push all your chips in. We get to make our own decisions but its easier for most to cop-out by saying its rigged. We all are gonna lose coin flips from time to time but we tend to forget about the times we get lucky on those same coin flips.

    Keep in mind everybody says they are great and they make money playing poker on the internet but you can check stats at several websites and you can see the real numbers. Funny thing is guys talk shit to me all the time on the internet like tough guys....thats never happened to me in person 

    I check their stats and they are the biggest losers on the site.....you can usually spot these guys when they lose they start calling people DONKS 

    Pokerstars year in year out has around 200,000 people who record a profit after the end of the year. Keep in mind there are up to 1.5 million player who play the tournies but everyone says there a winner

    I am no master but I feel I do better than most, Ive got a little over $8,000 in tourney winnings through about 700 MTT's or so on pokerstars. Like I said I usually just play the around $5 MTT unless I hit a tournament then I will play a bigger buy in or two.

    Overall I am about even moneywise because I piss away my winnings cause I am a degenerate gambler and I lose patience after playing 12-14 hours on the days I play....LOL

    I play under the name pathetic2008 and I will be the one who everyone is talking shit about.  Im taking a break right now from it, I have to sometimes just to get myself out of the funk. But look me up about Monday or Tuesday after the 10th of May and I will be playing some more low buy in MTT.

    Anyway I got to rambling but my point is that Ive got a retarded amout of hours logged over the last 10 years at numerous sites like betonusa, bodog, paradise, partypoker, absolute, ultimatebet, doylesroom, fulltilt, and the only place I will play now which is pokerstars.

    Bad beats happen everywhere but people need to own up sometimes that they took some dumb risks and got burned and quit making excuses for their sorry ass play

    Nobody needs any help losings cause the bullshit will keep happening. Play tighter and you will find yourseld in the money more often

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    Yea that underdog happens and yes there are many times where I build up a stack and feel robbed and sit there in shock just saying to myself...did that shit really just happen.

    But that BS happens anywhere and Ive gone through it at live casinos just as much as the internet. I used to damn near live in the poker rooms at the Goldstrike and Horseshoe in Tunica, MS.

    But that bad luck comes and goes it doesnt matter who you are. The only way to get through it is to keep yourself in high probability situations and you will build up some nice stacks quickly and then finish in the money if you know how to play once the blinds get big.

    I am no stranger in the past of being a victim of cant fold-a-titus but after I got busted I felt I knew better than to go all in with that damn hand.  

    I am no high roller I play the $1 to $10 average tournies on pokerstars. And yes because of the low buy ins and large number of players there are no shortage of reckless players but that is a good thing also when you catch a hand here and there.

    If you want a little more respectable play you need to play in the $50 dollar and up tournies.

    If you are a average player playing in low buy in tournies, you just need to realize that its not rigged because nobody forces you to push all your chips in. We get to make our own decisions but its easier for most to cop-out by saying its rigged. We all are gonna lose coin flips from time to time but we tend to forget about the times we get lucky on those same coin flips.

    Keep in mind everybody says they are great and they make money playing poker on the internet but you can check stats at several websites and you can see the real numbers. Funny thing is guys talk shit to me all the time on the internet like tough guys....thats never happened to me in person 

    I check their stats and they are the biggest losers on the site.....you can usually spot these guys when they lose they start calling people DONKS 

    Pokerstars year in year out has around 200,000 people who record a profit after the end of the year. Keep in mind there are up to 1.5 million player who play the tournies but everyone says there a winner

    I am no master but I feel I do better than most, Ive got a little over $8,000 in tourney winnings through about 700 MTT's or so on pokerstars. Like I said I usually just play the around $5 MTT unless I hit a tournament then I will play a bigger buy in or two.

    Overall I am about even moneywise because I piss away my winnings cause I am a degenerate gambler and I lose patience after playing 12-14 hours on the days I play....LOL

    I play under the name pathetic2008 and I will be the one who everyone is talking shit about.  Im taking a break right now from it, I have to sometimes just to get myself out of the funk. But look me up about Monday or Tuesday after the 10th of May and I will be playing some more low buy in MTT.

    Anyway I got to rambling but my point is that Ive got a retarded amout of hours logged over the last 10 years at numerous sites like betonusa, bodog, paradise, partypoker, absolute, ultimatebet, doylesroom, fulltilt, and the only place I will play now which is pokerstars.

    Bad beats happen everywhere but people need to own up sometimes that they took some dumb risks and got burned and quit making excuses for their sorry ass play

    Nobody needs any help losings cause the bullshit will keep happening. Play tighter and you will find yourseld in the money more often

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 3:30 PM ET #8

    nice honest write up ballsofsteels. kinda surprised.
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    nice honest write up ballsofsteels. kinda surprised.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 3:32 PM ET #9

    no sign of the Poker Mod?

    AQ - 6x in the space of 15 minutes 

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    no sign of the Poker Mod?

    AQ - 6x in the space of 15 minutes 

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 3:46 PM ET #10

    Well thanks frozen

    I dont have anything against you man just hear alot of shit from alot of different people on the internet.

    No worries mate and good luck to you

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    Well thanks frozen

    I dont have anything against you man just hear alot of shit from alot of different people on the internet.

    No worries mate and good luck to you

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 3:47 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by ballsofsteel:

    Well thanks frozen

    I dont have anything against you man just hear alot of shit from alot of different people on the internet.

    No worries mate and good luck to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballsofsteel:

    Well thanks frozen

    I dont have anything against you man just hear alot of shit from alot of different people on the internet.

    No worries mate and good luck to you

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2010 - 5:17 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by ballsofsteel:

    Yea that underdog happens and yes there are many times where I build up a stack and feel robbed and sit there in shock just saying to myself...did that shit really just happen.

    But that BS happens anywhere and Ive gone through it at live casinos just as much as the internet. I used to damn near live in the poker rooms at the Goldstrike and Horseshoe in Tunica, MS.

    But that bad luck comes and goes it doesnt matter who you are. The only way to get through it is to keep yourself in high probability situations and you will build up some nice stacks quickly and then finish in the money if you know how to play once the blinds get big.

    I am no stranger in the past of being a victim of cant fold-a-titus but after I got busted I felt I knew better than to go all in with that damn hand.  

    I am no high roller I play the $1 to $10 average tournies on pokerstars. And yes because of the low buy ins and large number of players there are no shortage of reckless players but that is a good thing also when you catch a hand here and there.

    If you want a little more respectable play you need to play in the $50 dollar and up tournies.

    If you are a average player playing in low buy in tournies, you just need to realize that its not rigged because nobody forces you to push all your chips in. We get to make our own decisions but its easier for most to cop-out by saying its rigged. We all are gonna lose coin flips from time to time but we tend to forget about the times we get lucky on those same coin flips.

    Keep in mind everybody says they are great and they make money playing poker on the internet but you can check stats at several websites and you can see the real numbers. Funny thing is guys talk shit to me all the time on the internet like tough guys....thats never happened to me in person 

    I check their stats and they are the biggest losers on the site.....you can usually spot these guys when they lose they start calling people DONKS 

    Pokerstars year in year out has around 200,000 people who record a profit after the end of the year. Keep in mind there are up to 1.5 million player who play the tournies but everyone says there a winner

    I am no master but I feel I do better than most, Ive got a little over $8,000 in tourney winnings through about 700 MTT's or so on pokerstars. Like I said I usually just play the around $5 MTT unless I hit a tournament then I will play a bigger buy in or two.

    Overall I am about even moneywise because I piss away my winnings cause I am a degenerate gambler and I lose patience after playing 12-14 hours on the days I play....LOL

    I play under the name pathetic2008 and I will be the one who everyone is talking shit about.  Im taking a break right now from it, I have to sometimes just to get myself out of the funk. But look me up about Monday or Tuesday after the 10th of May and I will be playing some more low buy in MTT.

    Anyway I got to rambling but my point is that Ive got a retarded amout of hours logged over the last 10 years at numerous sites like betonusa, bodog, paradise, partypoker, absolute, ultimatebet, doylesroom, fulltilt, and the only place I will play now which is pokerstars.

    Bad beats happen everywhere but people need to own up sometimes that they took some dumb risks and got burned and quit making excuses for their sorry ass play

    Nobody needs any help losings cause the bullshit will keep happening. Play tighter and you will find yourseld in the money more often


    Valid points. My observation isn't from just my all-ins and it seems to happen a lot more there vs. the cake network, for example (in cake's case there are weird hands that seem to always hit, like J2).

    I used to play for money online but prefer live play because you can really bluff people in person when you sense weakness. To me online you must always at least semi-bluff or you're putting dead money on the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballsofsteel:

    Yea that underdog happens and yes there are many times where I build up a stack and feel robbed and sit there in shock just saying to myself...did that shit really just happen.

    But that BS happens anywhere and Ive gone through it at live casinos just as much as the internet. I used to damn near live in the poker rooms at the Goldstrike and Horseshoe in Tunica, MS.

    But that bad luck comes and goes it doesnt matter who you are. The only way to get through it is to keep yourself in high probability situations and you will build up some nice stacks quickly and then finish in the money if you know how to play once the blinds get big.

    I am no stranger in the past of being a victim of cant fold-a-titus but after I got busted I felt I knew better than to go all in with that damn hand.  

    I am no high roller I play the $1 to $10 average tournies on pokerstars. And yes because of the low buy ins and large number of players there are no shortage of reckless players but that is a good thing also when you catch a hand here and there.

    If you want a little more respectable play you need to play in the $50 dollar and up tournies.

    If you are a average player playing in low buy in tournies, you just need to realize that its not rigged because nobody forces you to push all your chips in. We get to make our own decisions but its easier for most to cop-out by saying its rigged. We all are gonna lose coin flips from time to time but we tend to forget about the times we get lucky on those same coin flips.

    Keep in mind everybody says they are great and they make money playing poker on the internet but you can check stats at several websites and you can see the real numbers. Funny thing is guys talk shit to me all the time on the internet like tough guys....thats never happened to me in person 

    I check their stats and they are the biggest losers on the site.....you can usually spot these guys when they lose they start calling people DONKS 

    Pokerstars year in year out has around 200,000 people who record a profit after the end of the year. Keep in mind there are up to 1.5 million player who play the tournies but everyone says there a winner

    I am no master but I feel I do better than most, Ive got a little over $8,000 in tourney winnings through about 700 MTT's or so on pokerstars. Like I said I usually just play the around $5 MTT unless I hit a tournament then I will play a bigger buy in or two.

    Overall I am about even moneywise because I piss away my winnings cause I am a degenerate gambler and I lose patience after playing 12-14 hours on the days I play....LOL

    I play under the name pathetic2008 and I will be the one who everyone is talking shit about.  Im taking a break right now from it, I have to sometimes just to get myself out of the funk. But look me up about Monday or Tuesday after the 10th of May and I will be playing some more low buy in MTT.

    Anyway I got to rambling but my point is that Ive got a retarded amout of hours logged over the last 10 years at numerous sites like betonusa, bodog, paradise, partypoker, absolute, ultimatebet, doylesroom, fulltilt, and the only place I will play now which is pokerstars.

    Bad beats happen everywhere but people need to own up sometimes that they took some dumb risks and got burned and quit making excuses for their sorry ass play

    Nobody needs any help losings cause the bullshit will keep happening. Play tighter and you will find yourseld in the money more often


    Valid points. My observation isn't from just my all-ins and it seems to happen a lot more there vs. the cake network, for example (in cake's case there are weird hands that seem to always hit, like J2).

    I used to play for money online but prefer live play because you can really bluff people in person when you sense weakness. To me online you must always at least semi-bluff or you're putting dead money on the table.
     
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    That doesn't explain why I usually lose when I have someone outkicked and dominated because the same thing happens to me live. 



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    Quote Originally Posted by djcfl1:


    It seems to me its flip flopping the percentages. Only explanation I can come up with.

     

    How can I argue here? This information is just fucking top-notch

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    It seems to me its flip flopping the percentages. Only explanation I can come up with.

     

    How can I argue here? This information is just fucking top-notch

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballsofsteel:

    Yea that underdog happens and yes there are many times where I build up a stack and feel robbed and sit there in shock just saying to myself...did that shit really just happen.

    But that BS happens anywhere and Ive gone through it at live casinos just as much as the internet. I used to damn near live in the poker rooms at the Goldstrike and Horseshoe in Tunica, MS.

    But that bad luck comes and goes it doesnt matter who you are. The only way to get through it is to keep yourself in high probability situations and you will build up some nice stacks quickly and then finish in the money if you know how to play once the blinds get big.

    I am no stranger in the past of being a victim of cant fold-a-titus but after I got busted I felt I knew better than to go all in with that damn hand.  

    I am no high roller I play the $1 to $10 average tournies on pokerstars. And yes because of the low buy ins and large number of players there are no shortage of reckless players but that is a good thing also when you catch a hand here and there.

    If you want a little more respectable play you need to play in the $50 dollar and up tournies.

    If you are a average player playing in low buy in tournies, you just need to realize that its not rigged because nobody forces you to push all your chips in. We get to make our own decisions but its easier for most to cop-out by saying its rigged. We all are gonna lose coin flips from time to time but we tend to forget about the times we get lucky on those same coin flips.

    Keep in mind everybody says they are great and they make money playing poker on the internet but you can check stats at several websites and you can see the real numbers. Funny thing is guys talk shit to me all the time on the internet like tough guys....thats never happened to me in person 

    I check their stats and they are the biggest losers on the site.....you can usually spot these guys when they lose they start calling people DONKS 

    Pokerstars year in year out has around 200,000 people who record a profit after the end of the year. Keep in mind there are up to 1.5 million player who play the tournies but everyone says there a winner

    I am no master but I feel I do better than most, Ive got a little over $8,000 in tourney winnings through about 700 MTT's or so on pokerstars. Like I said I usually just play the around $5 MTT unless I hit a tournament then I will play a bigger buy in or two.

    Overall I am about even moneywise because I piss away my winnings cause I am a degenerate gambler and I lose patience after playing 12-14 hours on the days I play....LOL

    I play under the name pathetic2008 and I will be the one who everyone is talking shit about.  Im taking a break right now from it, I have to sometimes just to get myself out of the funk. But look me up about Monday or Tuesday after the 10th of May and I will be playing some more low buy in MTT.

    Anyway I got to rambling but my point is that Ive got a retarded amout of hours logged over the last 10 years at numerous sites like betonusa, bodog, paradise, partypoker, absolute, ultimatebet, doylesroom, fulltilt, and the only place I will play now which is pokerstars.

    Bad beats happen everywhere but people need to own up sometimes that they took some dumb risks and got burned and quit making excuses for their sorry ass play

    Nobody needs any help losings cause the bullshit will keep happening. Play tighter and you will find yourseld in the money more often



    Nice list, I too played on PartyPoker, UB, PokerStars, Fulltilt, Pacific, Titan, Pokerroom(back in the day) and Paradise(until they got bought out, I miss those drinks and cigars)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballsofsteel:

    Yea that underdog happens and yes there are many times where I build up a stack and feel robbed and sit there in shock just saying to myself...did that shit really just happen.

    But that BS happens anywhere and Ive gone through it at live casinos just as much as the internet. I used to damn near live in the poker rooms at the Goldstrike and Horseshoe in Tunica, MS.

    But that bad luck comes and goes it doesnt matter who you are. The only way to get through it is to keep yourself in high probability situations and you will build up some nice stacks quickly and then finish in the money if you know how to play once the blinds get big.

    I am no stranger in the past of being a victim of cant fold-a-titus but after I got busted I felt I knew better than to go all in with that damn hand.  

    I am no high roller I play the $1 to $10 average tournies on pokerstars. And yes because of the low buy ins and large number of players there are no shortage of reckless players but that is a good thing also when you catch a hand here and there.

    If you want a little more respectable play you need to play in the $50 dollar and up tournies.

    If you are a average player playing in low buy in tournies, you just need to realize that its not rigged because nobody forces you to push all your chips in. We get to make our own decisions but its easier for most to cop-out by saying its rigged. We all are gonna lose coin flips from time to time but we tend to forget about the times we get lucky on those same coin flips.

    Keep in mind everybody says they are great and they make money playing poker on the internet but you can check stats at several websites and you can see the real numbers. Funny thing is guys talk shit to me all the time on the internet like tough guys....thats never happened to me in person 

    I check their stats and they are the biggest losers on the site.....you can usually spot these guys when they lose they start calling people DONKS 

    Pokerstars year in year out has around 200,000 people who record a profit after the end of the year. Keep in mind there are up to 1.5 million player who play the tournies but everyone says there a winner

    I am no master but I feel I do better than most, Ive got a little over $8,000 in tourney winnings through about 700 MTT's or so on pokerstars. Like I said I usually just play the around $5 MTT unless I hit a tournament then I will play a bigger buy in or two.

    Overall I am about even moneywise because I piss away my winnings cause I am a degenerate gambler and I lose patience after playing 12-14 hours on the days I play....LOL

    I play under the name pathetic2008 and I will be the one who everyone is talking shit about.  Im taking a break right now from it, I have to sometimes just to get myself out of the funk. But look me up about Monday or Tuesday after the 10th of May and I will be playing some more low buy in MTT.

    Anyway I got to rambling but my point is that Ive got a retarded amout of hours logged over the last 10 years at numerous sites like betonusa, bodog, paradise, partypoker, absolute, ultimatebet, doylesroom, fulltilt, and the only place I will play now which is pokerstars.

    Bad beats happen everywhere but people need to own up sometimes that they took some dumb risks and got burned and quit making excuses for their sorry ass play

    Nobody needs any help losings cause the bullshit will keep happening. Play tighter and you will find yourseld in the money more often



    Nice list, I too played on PartyPoker, UB, PokerStars, Fulltilt, Pacific, Titan, Pokerroom(back in the day) and Paradise(until they got bought out, I miss those drinks and cigars)
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