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    playing with fishes, donkeys & loose players

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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2008 - 1:16 AM ET #1

    As we all know these are players you would like on your table and we get them where ever we are, But what are your strategies playing with beginners, donks & loose players.

    First and most importantly i position myself to the left of all donkeys and loose players especially those who are aggressive so you have position on them when they make those rediculous bets and raises. Fishes/beginners can sit where ever they please it doesn't really bother me as they can be outplayed where ever they are positioned.

    Against loose players/donkeys i mostly play premium hands. I play even tighter and play the gap concept spite of pro's saying you mainly use it against those who know what it is. They say to raise accordingly a donk when you have a good hand but i tend to raise 2-3xBB instead of the regular 4xbb as i tend to play safer against these unstable players. Trapping is my ultimate strategy, letting them beat themselves instead of me making the moves and then pouncing when the time is right in the hand.


    When i first started playing i learnt the basics from a friend, who is a major agressive mule, so i learnt the hard way but it was good experience.

    Currently i play in alot of home games but almost 70-80% of players are fish or loose so i am having some difficulties spite of it supposedly being easier playing with these sort of players. The ones i find particularly frustarting at times is playing with women, they tend to never lay down pocket pairs even with majority over cards on the board as they are most likely willing to chase to 5th street. So even 5-6xBB raise won't get them off the pot. When i am on my game and do as i stated above i do alright. I find playing very tigh, conveying good table image (showing premium cards) and playing ABC poker (fundamentals) are the best way to handle these situations. But i still have a lot to learn.

    Let us know your strategies against these sort of players?
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    As we all know these are players you would like on your table and we get them where ever we are, But what are your strategies playing with beginners, donks & loose players.

    First and most importantly i position myself to the left of all donkeys and loose players especially those who are aggressive so you have position on them when they make those rediculous bets and raises. Fishes/beginners can sit where ever they please it doesn't really bother me as they can be outplayed where ever they are positioned.

    Against loose players/donkeys i mostly play premium hands. I play even tighter and play the gap concept spite of pro's saying you mainly use it against those who know what it is. They say to raise accordingly a donk when you have a good hand but i tend to raise 2-3xBB instead of the regular 4xbb as i tend to play safer against these unstable players. Trapping is my ultimate strategy, letting them beat themselves instead of me making the moves and then pouncing when the time is right in the hand.


    When i first started playing i learnt the basics from a friend, who is a major agressive mule, so i learnt the hard way but it was good experience.

    Currently i play in alot of home games but almost 70-80% of players are fish or loose so i am having some difficulties spite of it supposedly being easier playing with these sort of players. The ones i find particularly frustarting at times is playing with women, they tend to never lay down pocket pairs even with majority over cards on the board as they are most likely willing to chase to 5th street. So even 5-6xBB raise won't get them off the pot. When i am on my game and do as i stated above i do alright. I find playing very tigh, conveying good table image (showing premium cards) and playing ABC poker (fundamentals) are the best way to handle these situations. But i still have a lot to learn.

    Let us know your strategies against these sort of players?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2008 - 9:19 AM ET #2

    play tight dont bluff overbet when you have a huge hand cuz theyll call all the time
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    play tight dont bluff overbet when you have a huge hand cuz theyll call all the time
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2008 - 10:01 AM ET #3

    Yup, bluffing loose players is like spitting against the wind. This was one of my very first mistakes when i first started. Now i pick my spots for bluffs if i'm feeling confident in stealing a pot, most of the times i hardly ever bluff, especially if there are more than one of these players on the table. Bluffing also is effective when used with good table image.
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    Yup, bluffing loose players is like spitting against the wind. This was one of my very first mistakes when i first started. Now i pick my spots for bluffs if i'm feeling confident in stealing a pot, most of the times i hardly ever bluff, especially if there are more than one of these players on the table. Bluffing also is effective when used with good table image.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2008 - 10:41 AM ET #4

    against the calling stations i would rarely bluff and if i did it would be on the flop if they check to me or i was acting first. i also think a little semibluff would be ok on the turn maybe if you had some outs and they check twice.  if they bet ever on the hand, i wouldnt try and bluff them ever because if they are betting they arent folding from my experience.
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    against the calling stations i would rarely bluff and if i did it would be on the flop if they check to me or i was acting first. i also think a little semibluff would be ok on the turn maybe if you had some outs and they check twice.  if they bet ever on the hand, i wouldnt try and bluff them ever because if they are betting they arent folding from my experience.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2008 - 12:25 PM ET #5

    Now this is just me when I play in cash games, but I often like to phuck with the donks and fish by using a reverse tell.

    Now of course this is NO good with solid tight players, but with the fish who THINK they are getting a read form me, I give them what they are looking for by creating tells they can spot...and then using them in reverse situations.
     
    I show down a successfull bluff(while I start to hum a specific song-pre show) and then I may try it again to see if I can establish a pattern of this in their eyes...and once I get into another hand where I know I am good, I will show the fake bluff tell and then reel em in...its worked successfully for me in 2-5 cash games and I aint sayin it'll work for you.
    Some have the flair for the dramatic and I will be honest...sometimes I do this shit to alleviate the boredom of long hours..Typically I don't see the danger of the loose players as they eventually kill themselves..the problem is I like to be the guy they dump to. If you have other solid players at the table, they are also spotting the fish/donks pretty quick as well.
     
    Like I said...works for me in calculated situations. not a mantra by any stretch, but harmless and often profitable ruse on the meatheads. Good for one or two large pots in a session.
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    Now this is just me when I play in cash games, but I often like to phuck with the donks and fish by using a reverse tell.

    Now of course this is NO good with solid tight players, but with the fish who THINK they are getting a read form me, I give them what they are looking for by creating tells they can spot...and then using them in reverse situations.
     
    I show down a successfull bluff(while I start to hum a specific song-pre show) and then I may try it again to see if I can establish a pattern of this in their eyes...and once I get into another hand where I know I am good, I will show the fake bluff tell and then reel em in...its worked successfully for me in 2-5 cash games and I aint sayin it'll work for you.
    Some have the flair for the dramatic and I will be honest...sometimes I do this shit to alleviate the boredom of long hours..Typically I don't see the danger of the loose players as they eventually kill themselves..the problem is I like to be the guy they dump to. If you have other solid players at the table, they are also spotting the fish/donks pretty quick as well.
     
    Like I said...works for me in calculated situations. not a mantra by any stretch, but harmless and often profitable ruse on the meatheads. Good for one or two large pots in a session.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2008 - 2:52 PM ET #6

    mickyg,
     
    i think you might have watched a little too much rounders and are living in tv mode.  "donks" dont even pay attention to tells or nething else.  they just play every hand and call too much.  reverse tells lmao, you guys love to complicate this fairly easy game way too much.
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    i think you might have watched a little too much rounders and are living in tv mode.  "donks" dont even pay attention to tells or nething else.  they just play every hand and call too much.  reverse tells lmao, you guys love to complicate this fairly easy game way too much.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2008 - 3:11 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by clowninmyside:

    mickyg,
     
    i think you might have watched a little too much rounders and are living in tv mode.  "donks" dont even pay attention to tells or nething else.  they just play every hand and call too much.  reverse tells lmao, you guys love to complicate this fairly easy game way too much.

     

    Very presumptive considering we don't even know each other...however I am certainly not posting bullshit. A fellow poster was asking how one dealt with his situation and I gave him my answer. As I said, I don't expect it will entertain "pros" like yourself...but I do quite nicely. I only started playing cards based solely on the fact I have a knack for noticing behavioral tendancies.

    If I can get a moron to buy a reverse tell(not sure what else to call it other than in its literal verbiage) and it pulls in a $500 pot twice a day, I think I'll stick to what I'm doing and "discard" your comments.

    Based on that and not much else, I've been making out ok. If this entertains you, I am glad. Not tryin to be an attention whoore here...if only your advice is sought, it should be clearly demonstrated in the thread. Otherwise, why not just keep a jab like that to yourself. you'll make more friends that way.

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    mickyg,
     
    i think you might have watched a little too much rounders and are living in tv mode.  "donks" dont even pay attention to tells or nething else.  they just play every hand and call too much.  reverse tells lmao, you guys love to complicate this fairly easy game way too much.

     

    Very presumptive considering we don't even know each other...however I am certainly not posting bullshit. A fellow poster was asking how one dealt with his situation and I gave him my answer. As I said, I don't expect it will entertain "pros" like yourself...but I do quite nicely. I only started playing cards based solely on the fact I have a knack for noticing behavioral tendancies.

    If I can get a moron to buy a reverse tell(not sure what else to call it other than in its literal verbiage) and it pulls in a $500 pot twice a day, I think I'll stick to what I'm doing and "discard" your comments.

    Based on that and not much else, I've been making out ok. If this entertains you, I am glad. Not tryin to be an attention whoore here...if only your advice is sought, it should be clearly demonstrated in the thread. Otherwise, why not just keep a jab like that to yourself. you'll make more friends that way.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickyg:

     

    Very presumptive considering we don't even know each other...however I am certainly not posting bullshit. A fellow poster was asking how one dealt with his situation and I gave him my answer. As I said, I don't expect it will entertain "pros" like yourself...but I do quite nicely. I only started playing cards based solely on the fact I have a knack for noticing behavioral tendancies.

    If I can get a moron to buy a reverse tell(not sure what else to call it other than in its literal verbiage) and it pulls in a $500 pot twice a day, I think I'll stick to what I'm doing and "discard" your comments.

    Based on that and not much else, I've been making out ok. If this entertains you, I am glad. Not tryin to be an attention whoore here...if only your advice is sought, it should be clearly demonstrated in the thread. Otherwise, why not just keep a jab like that to yourself. you'll make more friends that way.

    the garbage you spew is helping no one.  obviously you never played poker too much if youre watching if someones leg twitches when they have a big hand or some dumb shit like that.  pay attention to how they act when the flop comes out (the only real tell that works) and their betting patterns give you only about 100 times more information then if they take a drink during a hand or not.

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    Very presumptive considering we don't even know each other...however I am certainly not posting bullshit. A fellow poster was asking how one dealt with his situation and I gave him my answer. As I said, I don't expect it will entertain "pros" like yourself...but I do quite nicely. I only started playing cards based solely on the fact I have a knack for noticing behavioral tendancies.

    If I can get a moron to buy a reverse tell(not sure what else to call it other than in its literal verbiage) and it pulls in a $500 pot twice a day, I think I'll stick to what I'm doing and "discard" your comments.

    Based on that and not much else, I've been making out ok. If this entertains you, I am glad. Not tryin to be an attention whoore here...if only your advice is sought, it should be clearly demonstrated in the thread. Otherwise, why not just keep a jab like that to yourself. you'll make more friends that way.

    the garbage you spew is helping no one.  obviously you never played poker too much if youre watching if someones leg twitches when they have a big hand or some dumb shit like that.  pay attention to how they act when the flop comes out (the only real tell that works) and their betting patterns give you only about 100 times more information then if they take a drink during a hand or not.

     
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    Listen ya ego inflated little twirp...I've forgotten more about the psychology of the average card playing wanna be than you'll care to ever want to know.

    But its clear that subject matter is beyond you as you can't even get past properly reading my post before shootin yer hole off...

    If you feel the only tell that works is post flop, then you are clearly missing out on most of the makeup of the game. The study of human behavior is a science momo....if you know how to apply it, you can definately gain an advantage.

    Poker is not only limited to your narrow viewpoint and limited vision. It would give me nothing but sheer pleasure to teach you how painfully wrong you are, but I hate to prove to people what idiots they really are. Its easier just to take their cash.

    I see you've acquired quite a few posts on this site and so I imagine either you're quite popular, or have a really small weenie and so compensate by trashing what others say.

    I neither asked or give a shit about your feedback...and if this was indeed your thread and disagreed, I would bow out and leave it at a difference of opinion.

    In this case though, you are going out of your way to trash me and I don't believe I've done anything to incur your bullshit...so why don't ya just put it back in yer pants before ya get into a war of wit and words you are no match for.

     

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    the garbage you spew is helping no one.  obviously you never played poker too much if youre watching if someones leg twitches when they have a big hand or some dumb shit like that.  pay attention to how they act when the flop comes out (the only real tell that works) and their betting patterns give you only about 100 times more information then if they take a drink during a hand or not.

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    Listen ya ego inflated little twirp...I've forgotten more about the psychology of the average card playing wanna be than you'll care to ever want to know.

    But its clear that subject matter is beyond you as you can't even get past properly reading my post before shootin yer hole off...

    If you feel the only tell that works is post flop, then you are clearly missing out on most of the makeup of the game. The study of human behavior is a science momo....if you know how to apply it, you can definately gain an advantage.

    Poker is not only limited to your narrow viewpoint and limited vision. It would give me nothing but sheer pleasure to teach you how painfully wrong you are, but I hate to prove to people what idiots they really are. Its easier just to take their cash.

    I see you've acquired quite a few posts on this site and so I imagine either you're quite popular, or have a really small weenie and so compensate by trashing what others say.

    I neither asked or give a shit about your feedback...and if this was indeed your thread and disagreed, I would bow out and leave it at a difference of opinion.

    In this case though, you are going out of your way to trash me and I don't believe I've done anything to incur your bullshit...so why don't ya just put it back in yer pants before ya get into a war of wit and words you are no match for.

     

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    the garbage you spew is helping no one.  obviously you never played poker too much if youre watching if someones leg twitches when they have a big hand or some dumb shit like that.  pay attention to how they act when the flop comes out (the only real tell that works) and their betting patterns give you only about 100 times more information then if they take a drink during a hand or not.

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    pro's like Daniel Negreanu state that physical tells are over rated and you can read more from a players bet and betting patterns. Though human behavior/behavior patterns is a part of poker and if you have talent in physical tells then keep doing what you do to gain any advantage over opponents.

    I must agree some what with clown that Donks more often than not pays no attention to anything apart from things like if you check then he pushes just because he thinks you have nothing when you check which is the reason why most of them end up gutting themselves. Donks and fish are too amature and have a hard enough time trying to determin playing good starting hands and other basic things than looking at peoples physical tells, plus they are often nervous to really pay any attention.

    A tell i love to perform on Donks and fish is when i hit a set or 2 pair and they come out with a big bluff, i do the whole "look confused and look weak' performance. Once a donk sees the weakness they get itchy and excited like school girls and donate their stack to you. Apart from looking weak to these sort of players i don't really need to get technical  as i find the only thing they really look for is any weakness for them to bluff away their chips.


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    pro's like Daniel Negreanu state that physical tells are over rated and you can read more from a players bet and betting patterns. Though human behavior/behavior patterns is a part of poker and if you have talent in physical tells then keep doing what you do to gain any advantage over opponents.

    I must agree some what with clown that Donks more often than not pays no attention to anything apart from things like if you check then he pushes just because he thinks you have nothing when you check which is the reason why most of them end up gutting themselves. Donks and fish are too amature and have a hard enough time trying to determin playing good starting hands and other basic things than looking at peoples physical tells, plus they are often nervous to really pay any attention.

    A tell i love to perform on Donks and fish is when i hit a set or 2 pair and they come out with a big bluff, i do the whole "look confused and look weak' performance. Once a donk sees the weakness they get itchy and excited like school girls and donate their stack to you. Apart from looking weak to these sort of players i don't really need to get technical  as i find the only thing they really look for is any weakness for them to bluff away their chips.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:

    Let us know your strategies against these sort of players?

    It seems Mickyg was trying to answer this and giving his opinion for what has worked for him, which is what I thought was the purpose of this forum.  Everybody has a different way to approach different situations and it's good to get the differing opinions.  If you do not like a particular strategy then don't employ it. 

    Welcome to the forum Mick, you are entitled to express your opinion/strategy and we all are encouraged to do so in order to improve our knowledge of the game and how other think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3BallBomber:

    Let us know your strategies against these sort of players?

    It seems Mickyg was trying to answer this and giving his opinion for what has worked for him, which is what I thought was the purpose of this forum.  Everybody has a different way to approach different situations and it's good to get the differing opinions.  If you do not like a particular strategy then don't employ it. 

    Welcome to the forum Mick, you are entitled to express your opinion/strategy and we all are encouraged to do so in order to improve our knowledge of the game and how other think.

     
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    I had absolutely no intention of gettin into a war of words with any member, long standing or otherwise.
    I am a longtime member at a couple of respected handicapping forums where I have never come across this kind of backlash.
    My point was not meant to sway, encourage, deceive, brag or bullshit any member of this place.
    To me, these forums are a great place to educate each other on "experiences" that may or may not aid us in what we are doing.
     
    I have many more years of experience handicapping sports than playing cards for which I have only been doing for the last two years. A relative babe if not for the fact that when I choose to invest my money, I do it NOT to lose. So I read, play small stakes and practice...not unlike how I handicap.
     
    The reverse tell(dare I call it that again) is nothing more than cheap theatrics that work on some, and would NEVER fool others. If you are working with the right sort, it may work. It has for me in controlled environments. Period.
     
    smw1992, thanks for the welcome.
     
    3ball...your post flop set move is precisely what I was describing, although I fear I may have not been specific enough about it for some.
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    I had absolutely no intention of gettin into a war of words with any member, long standing or otherwise.
    I am a longtime member at a couple of respected handicapping forums where I have never come across this kind of backlash.
    My point was not meant to sway, encourage, deceive, brag or bullshit any member of this place.
    To me, these forums are a great place to educate each other on "experiences" that may or may not aid us in what we are doing.
     
    I have many more years of experience handicapping sports than playing cards for which I have only been doing for the last two years. A relative babe if not for the fact that when I choose to invest my money, I do it NOT to lose. So I read, play small stakes and practice...not unlike how I handicap.
     
    The reverse tell(dare I call it that again) is nothing more than cheap theatrics that work on some, and would NEVER fool others. If you are working with the right sort, it may work. It has for me in controlled environments. Period.
     
    smw1992, thanks for the welcome.
     
    3ball...your post flop set move is precisely what I was describing, although I fear I may have not been specific enough about it for some.
     
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    No worries mickyg we understand, now welcome to Covers lol - the initiation has ended now enjoy the site reverse-telling-sonnofabitch lol
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    No worries mickyg we understand, now welcome to Covers lol - the initiation has ended now enjoy the site reverse-telling-sonnofabitch lol
     
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    there was supposed to be a "You" in that sentence somewhere, damn no edit button
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    there was supposed to be a "You" in that sentence somewhere, damn no edit button
     
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    this moron is so full of shit and probably never even played a hand of poker in his life.  hes advocating advanced plays to play against ppl who arent even paying attention to what they are doing.  great idea call someone because they are taking a drink while the hands going on, im sure hell be gone by the end of the week from this forum.  tells are the most overated part of poker by far.  if they are so important then why are so many ppl able to make a fortune at online poker?

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    this moron is so full of shit and probably never even played a hand of poker in his life.  hes advocating advanced plays to play against ppl who arent even paying attention to what they are doing.  great idea call someone because they are taking a drink while the hands going on, im sure hell be gone by the end of the week from this forum.  tells are the most overated part of poker by far.  if they are so important then why are so many ppl able to make a fortune at online poker?

     
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    concentrate to what you guys are doing at all times and watch the ppl when the flop comes out instead of the flop.  pay attention to how ppl play and what they say.  if someone says "wow 6 ppl in with a raise preflop" then he is probably a tight player.
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    concentrate to what you guys are doing at all times and watch the ppl when the flop comes out instead of the flop.  pay attention to how ppl play and what they say.  if someone says "wow 6 ppl in with a raise preflop" then he is probably a tight player.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by clowninmyside:

    this moron is so full of shit and probably never even played a hand of poker in his life.  hes advocating advanced plays to play against ppl who arent even paying attention to what they are doing.  great idea call someone because they are taking a drink while the hands going on, im sure hell be gone by the end of the week from this forum.  tells are the most overated part of poker by far.  if they are so important then why are so many ppl able to make a fortune at online poker?

     

    jesus phuck...are you just that plain retarded numb nuts? You aren't even reading what I posted. but its clear its a painfull waste of time trying to explain ABC's to a total moron who is obviously in the middle of a huge midlife crisis at the ripe ol age of 12; which you must clearly be to be showing this exasperating stream of replies to a post that was not intended to offend or decieve...

    I dont need recognition or credit ya clown...you on the other hand are what I loathe most in human nature..bad character.

    you've clealry demonstrated to myself, and anyone else who has read what could have been an interesting thread, to what low depths of stupidity and consistent moronic behavior you are willing to go to prove a point that wasn't yours to make in the first place.

    I am trying to figure out what's got you so twisted...but for some short-diks like yerself, attention and notoriety are the reasons they come to a forum like this one. Personally, I was just looking to shoot the shit over cards with people who play...not get a tongue-lashing like the one you've laid on me...

    If I want a tongue-lashing, I'll go to your mother...until then, just try to save yourself further embarassment and stop continuing this losing battle of yours...or better than that...GO BACK AND CAREFULLY READ WHAT I POSTED....you might see that it had nothing to do with MY analysis of a fish's/donk's behaviour, but rather their analysis of my moves...tricking people is not complicated...you've managed to do it for some time on this site with your posts..

    Im sure members were under the impression you were here to contribute, rather than doing nothing more than complaining...which is what every one of your threads is all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clowninmyside:

    this moron is so full of shit and probably never even played a hand of poker in his life.  hes advocating advanced plays to play against ppl who arent even paying attention to what they are doing.  great idea call someone because they are taking a drink while the hands going on, im sure hell be gone by the end of the week from this forum.  tells are the most overated part of poker by far.  if they are so important then why are so many ppl able to make a fortune at online poker?

     

    jesus phuck...are you just that plain retarded numb nuts? You aren't even reading what I posted. but its clear its a painfull waste of time trying to explain ABC's to a total moron who is obviously in the middle of a huge midlife crisis at the ripe ol age of 12; which you must clearly be to be showing this exasperating stream of replies to a post that was not intended to offend or decieve...

    I dont need recognition or credit ya clown...you on the other hand are what I loathe most in human nature..bad character.

    you've clealry demonstrated to myself, and anyone else who has read what could have been an interesting thread, to what low depths of stupidity and consistent moronic behavior you are willing to go to prove a point that wasn't yours to make in the first place.

    I am trying to figure out what's got you so twisted...but for some short-diks like yerself, attention and notoriety are the reasons they come to a forum like this one. Personally, I was just looking to shoot the shit over cards with people who play...not get a tongue-lashing like the one you've laid on me...

    If I want a tongue-lashing, I'll go to your mother...until then, just try to save yourself further embarassment and stop continuing this losing battle of yours...or better than that...GO BACK AND CAREFULLY READ WHAT I POSTED....you might see that it had nothing to do with MY analysis of a fish's/donk's behaviour, but rather their analysis of my moves...tricking people is not complicated...you've managed to do it for some time on this site with your posts..

    Im sure members were under the impression you were here to contribute, rather than doing nothing more than complaining...which is what every one of your threads is all about.

     
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    A reverse tell can work very good, say you hit the nuts and then you shrug and you're like, WTF, I can't hit nothing, maybe I'll bet or check, I don't know. In limit, these tells can work good, say you raise, with AA or  AK, and you're the type of player that people will think that you have AQ or better. The flop comes A xx, a few guys look at you (I like to see the raiser , not even look at the flop, because I can better tell what they have that way.) , you shake your head like that Ace screwed up your hand, like it always does, son they think you must have pocket queens or similar, and not the ace. This way if he has like JT he thinks his second pair may be good.
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    A reverse tell can work very good, say you hit the nuts and then you shrug and you're like, WTF, I can't hit nothing, maybe I'll bet or check, I don't know. In limit, these tells can work good, say you raise, with AA or  AK, and you're the type of player that people will think that you have AQ or better. The flop comes A xx, a few guys look at you (I like to see the raiser , not even look at the flop, because I can better tell what they have that way.) , you shake your head like that Ace screwed up your hand, like it always does, son they think you must have pocket queens or similar, and not the ace. This way if he has like JT he thinks his second pair may be good.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:

    A reverse tell can work very good, say you hit the nuts and then you shrug and you're like, WTF, I can't hit nothing, maybe I'll bet or check, I don't know. In limit, these tells can work good, say you raise, with AA or  AK, and you're the type of player that people will think that you have AQ or better. The flop comes A xx, a few guys look at you (I like to see the raiser , not even look at the flop, because I can better tell what they have that way.) , you shake your head like that Ace screwed up your hand, like it always does, son they think you must have pocket queens or similar, and not the ace. This way if he has like JT he thinks his second pair may be good.

    And this was all I was trying to demonstrate with my example...and looky the war it started...

     

     

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    A reverse tell can work very good, say you hit the nuts and then you shrug and you're like, WTF, I can't hit nothing, maybe I'll bet or check, I don't know. In limit, these tells can work good, say you raise, with AA or  AK, and you're the type of player that people will think that you have AQ or better. The flop comes A xx, a few guys look at you (I like to see the raiser , not even look at the flop, because I can better tell what they have that way.) , you shake your head like that Ace screwed up your hand, like it always does, son they think you must have pocket queens or similar, and not the ace. This way if he has like JT he thinks his second pair may be good.

    And this was all I was trying to demonstrate with my example...and looky the war it started...

     

     

     
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    as a guy in pittsburgh used to say about tells and acting and garbage that you are proposing:
     
    "if you wanna be an actor hollywoods 3000 miles out that way"
     
    its ok go to a real game with your ipod sunglasses and poker tattoo and start acting im sure youll give everyone a good laugh.
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    as a guy in pittsburgh used to say about tells and acting and garbage that you are proposing:
     
    "if you wanna be an actor hollywoods 3000 miles out that way"
     
    its ok go to a real game with your ipod sunglasses and poker tattoo and start acting im sure youll give everyone a good laugh.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:

    A reverse tell can work very good, say you hit the nuts and then you shrug and you're like, WTF, I can't hit nothing, maybe I'll bet or check, I don't know. In limit, these tells can work good, say you raise, with AA or  AK, and you're the type of player that people will think that you have AQ or better. The flop comes A xx, a few guys look at you (I like to see the raiser , not even look at the flop, because I can better tell what they have that way.) , you shake your head like that Ace screwed up your hand, like it always does, son they think you must have pocket queens or similar, and not the ace. This way if he has like JT he thinks his second pair may be good.

    wow shaking your head when you raise and the ace hits, no one ever seen that move before.  seriously how soft are these games you guys play in 25 cent 50 cent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:

    A reverse tell can work very good, say you hit the nuts and then you shrug and you're like, WTF, I can't hit nothing, maybe I'll bet or check, I don't know. In limit, these tells can work good, say you raise, with AA or  AK, and you're the type of player that people will think that you have AQ or better. The flop comes A xx, a few guys look at you (I like to see the raiser , not even look at the flop, because I can better tell what they have that way.) , you shake your head like that Ace screwed up your hand, like it always does, son they think you must have pocket queens or similar, and not the ace. This way if he has like JT he thinks his second pair may be good.

    wow shaking your head when you raise and the ace hits, no one ever seen that move before.  seriously how soft are these games you guys play in 25 cent 50 cent

     
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    We will assume you make a very good living at cards and require no need for a forum such as this. So tell me, why are you here?
     
    You seem to have it all figured out...
     
    You do nothing but take shots and insult people who are here to learn from each other, however incomprehensable a concept this may be to you.
     
    You take shots at me in the other thread because I was honest enough to post the fact that I have not ever played in a real WPT tourney before..(once more if you bothered to read anything more than yer Ma's Sears catalogue, you might have noticed that I said I was a CASH GAME PLAYER)
     
    In the cash games I play in at the Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls Canada(I feel important to be very specific with you as I know what a stickler for detail you are), in a showdown, only the CALLER is required to show first giving the opponent an opportunity to muck a losing hand without divulging the strength of it...a significant difference.
     
    But of course, you gotta try to make a federal case outta that as well...you sad puppy you.
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    We will assume you make a very good living at cards and require no need for a forum such as this. So tell me, why are you here?
     
    You seem to have it all figured out...
     
    You do nothing but take shots and insult people who are here to learn from each other, however incomprehensable a concept this may be to you.
     
    You take shots at me in the other thread because I was honest enough to post the fact that I have not ever played in a real WPT tourney before..(once more if you bothered to read anything more than yer Ma's Sears catalogue, you might have noticed that I said I was a CASH GAME PLAYER)
     
    In the cash games I play in at the Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls Canada(I feel important to be very specific with you as I know what a stickler for detail you are), in a showdown, only the CALLER is required to show first giving the opponent an opportunity to muck a losing hand without divulging the strength of it...a significant difference.
     
    But of course, you gotta try to make a federal case outta that as well...you sad puppy you.
     
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    ya i have played at clownsview casino a few times, but not recently, i think you might be right about that rule.
     
    however, this guy asked a question about how to beat the loose bad players, i dont see how fake acting would do any good, and it really doesnt have any part in poker. 
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    ya i have played at clownsview casino a few times, but not recently, i think you might be right about that rule.
     
    however, this guy asked a question about how to beat the loose bad players, i dont see how fake acting would do any good, and it really doesnt have any part in poker. 
     
     
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    i gotta run real fast but when i come back ill give you of a real good example of a hand from mountaineer in a tournament vs a pretty loose player who calls a lot.
     
     
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