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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2008 - 3:26 AM ET #1

    Bellagio.   The five diamond classic going on.  Playing 5-10.    I have pocket Jacks and we have a crazy aggressive stradle man at the table.  He has stradled and raised 9 hands in a row.  I make his 20 dollar stradle 220.  It gets back to him and he makes it 1200.  I call.  I have about 8000 on the table.  Heads up.  Flop comes   AJ4 .  He checks and I bet 1900.  He is a bad agressive player, I'm hoping he has AK  AQ.   He calls.   Turn is a Queen.  He checks.  I think theres no way this guy has KT. If he has AA i'm just going to pay him.  I bet 3000.  He thinks forever and calls.  River is a Ten and he goes all in for his last 800.  To much in the pot I call and say show me the AK buddy.   He turns over KQ.  
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    Bellagio.   The five diamond classic going on.  Playing 5-10.    I have pocket Jacks and we have a crazy aggressive stradle man at the table.  He has stradled and raised 9 hands in a row.  I make his 20 dollar stradle 220.  It gets back to him and he makes it 1200.  I call.  I have about 8000 on the table.  Heads up.  Flop comes   AJ4 .  He checks and I bet 1900.  He is a bad agressive player, I'm hoping he has AK  AQ.   He calls.   Turn is a Queen.  He checks.  I think theres no way this guy has KT. If he has AA i'm just going to pay him.  I bet 3000.  He thinks forever and calls.  River is a Ten and he goes all in for his last 800.  To much in the pot I call and say show me the AK buddy.   He turns over KQ.  
     
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    That is truly gross man.  I feel for you. I play at bellagio a lot and the greatest and worst part of that place is the wild marginal players you sometimes run into.

    raise to 1200 pre flop wow.

    calling 1900 with what he knows 100% is only 4 outs.

    on the turn he still knows he is way behind with a queen and more then likely still only has 4 outs or POSSIBLY 6 is a queen may make him good. He can not think 2 pairs here K and Q would be good. 

    Then he hits his damn ten and you have to pay off with your last 800.

    I hope the rest of your trip goes better
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    That is truly gross man.  I feel for you. I play at bellagio a lot and the greatest and worst part of that place is the wild marginal players you sometimes run into.

    raise to 1200 pre flop wow.

    calling 1900 with what he knows 100% is only 4 outs.

    on the turn he still knows he is way behind with a queen and more then likely still only has 4 outs or POSSIBLY 6 is a queen may make him good. He can not think 2 pairs here K and Q would be good. 

    Then he hits his damn ten and you have to pay off with your last 800.

    I hope the rest of your trip goes better
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2008 - 11:45 AM ET #3

    Donkeys gotta win too
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2008 - 7:03 PM ET #4

    The worst part about poker is not the bad beats, it's listening to the guy explain why he called as he piles up your chips. 
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    The worst part about poker is not the bad beats, it's listening to the guy explain why he called as he piles up your chips. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2008 - 1:09 AM ET #5

    horrible....what in the hell are these people thinking? I mean seriously...
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    horrible....what in the hell are these people thinking? I mean seriously...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2008 - 2:14 AM ET #6

    Why does the guy have to explain himself? He was gambling, and he got lucky. He was less than 10% to hit his straight, and then unbeknownst to him he also had to dodge a full house. In the long run you will make far more from donks like this if they always played like this, than if they folded everytime. The only thing you can do is to have a big enough bankroll where beats like this don't affect you any, and you can regroup easily.
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    Why does the guy have to explain himself? He was gambling, and he got lucky. He was less than 10% to hit his straight, and then unbeknownst to him he also had to dodge a full house. In the long run you will make far more from donks like this if they always played like this, than if they folded everytime. The only thing you can do is to have a big enough bankroll where beats like this don't affect you any, and you can regroup easily.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 12:29 AM ET #7

    That's why cash games are for insane people.  One bad beat can kill a whole bankroll.
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    That's why cash games are for insane people.  One bad beat can kill a whole bankroll.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 2:45 PM ET #8

    well I have no idea why you would have your entire bankroll in at the table???
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    well I have no idea why you would have your entire bankroll in at the table???
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 8:39 PM ET #9

    getting sick of poker especially online poker got dealt pocket kings 3 times in a row lost again 1 other hand each time all in . Went from high chip leader to outta the tourny .
    Hands i got beat against was pock jacks aginst my king ace queen and of course qj offsuit
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    getting sick of poker especially online poker got dealt pocket kings 3 times in a row lost again 1 other hand each time all in . Went from high chip leader to outta the tourny .
    Hands i got beat against was pock jacks aginst my king ace queen and of course qj offsuit
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2008 - 8:39 PM ET #10

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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2008 - 1:13 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by ad1260:

    well I have no idea why you would have your entire bankroll in at the table???

    dont know if you guys are talking to me or each other but i haven't had my entire bankroll on the table since I was 17

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    Quote Originally Posted by ad1260:

    well I have no idea why you would have your entire bankroll in at the table???

    dont know if you guys are talking to me or each other but i haven't had my entire bankroll on the table since I was 17

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2008 - 5:56 PM ET #12

    good thing I play 2-5 whats the min and max buyin with the 5-10.  To have 7 grand how much did you buy in for $1000?
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    good thing I play 2-5 whats the min and max buyin with the 5-10.  To have 7 grand how much did you buy in for $1000?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2008 - 10:29 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    pocket jacks are still ONLY pocket jacks
    sorry to read about your loss, best of luck next time bud



    Yes but middle set  on the flop is middle set vs a guy who raised 9 straight hands.

    NOBODY gets away in that spot, not if they know how to play poker.

    tough beat bud
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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    pocket jacks are still ONLY pocket jacks
    sorry to read about your loss, best of luck next time bud



    Yes but middle set  on the flop is middle set vs a guy who raised 9 straight hands.

    NOBODY gets away in that spot, not if they know how to play poker.

    tough beat bud
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 12:10 AM ET #14

    They arent just pocket Jacks after you flop a set

    Did anyone else give the "you want players like that at the table" nonsense?

    It is true but not when they make their f'n hands
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    They arent just pocket Jacks after you flop a set

    Did anyone else give the "you want players like that at the table" nonsense?

    It is true but not when they make their f'n hands
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 10:37 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    They arent just pocket Jacks after you flop a set

    Did anyone else give the "you want players like that at the table" nonsense?

    It is true but not when they make their f'n hands


    I agree 100% NJ....of course those are good players to have at a table, but that does not make you feel any better when you are the guy he gets his suck out on.  I would never say a word like that to someone after a horrific beat. Nor would I criticize the other player, it is his money, spend it at a strip club, poker table, or buy MGM stock, blow it however he likes that is not my business. However  I do feel for the guy who got caught.

    And of course like you said  pocket jacks are one thing...set of jacks in that spot is a whole different puppy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    They arent just pocket Jacks after you flop a set

    Did anyone else give the "you want players like that at the table" nonsense?

    It is true but not when they make their f'n hands


    I agree 100% NJ....of course those are good players to have at a table, but that does not make you feel any better when you are the guy he gets his suck out on.  I would never say a word like that to someone after a horrific beat. Nor would I criticize the other player, it is his money, spend it at a strip club, poker table, or buy MGM stock, blow it however he likes that is not my business. However  I do feel for the guy who got caught.

    And of course like you said  pocket jacks are one thing...set of jacks in that spot is a whole different puppy.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2008 - 10:06 PM ET #17

    To answer several posts at once, there is no cap on the buy in at 5-10.  I bought in for 3000.  It was the best table I've seen here in 3 months as the economy has been crippling the cash games.   There was over 40,000 on the table and only one "locksmith" at the table.(That is very rare for the bellagio)   "Pocket Jacks are still just pocket jacks" is easily the dumbest statement I've heard all year.  I set pocket jacks on fire for 1200 pre flop 9999 out of 10000 but in this circumstance I would call 100% of the time.  My only regret is staying at the table after I was up 5k no matter how good the table was.  I am a strong advocate of the "hit and run"  A professional playing 5-10  40 hours a week and trying to grind out a living has to win around 28,000 a year just to break even($12 rake per hour plus tipping)  I'm a greedy MF.  I deserve to called on the flop with a gutshot and 4 outed with one to come for a $15,000 pot.
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    To answer several posts at once, there is no cap on the buy in at 5-10.  I bought in for 3000.  It was the best table I've seen here in 3 months as the economy has been crippling the cash games.   There was over 40,000 on the table and only one "locksmith" at the table.(That is very rare for the bellagio)   "Pocket Jacks are still just pocket jacks" is easily the dumbest statement I've heard all year.  I set pocket jacks on fire for 1200 pre flop 9999 out of 10000 but in this circumstance I would call 100% of the time.  My only regret is staying at the table after I was up 5k no matter how good the table was.  I am a strong advocate of the "hit and run"  A professional playing 5-10  40 hours a week and trying to grind out a living has to win around 28,000 a year just to break even($12 rake per hour plus tipping)  I'm a greedy MF.  I deserve to called on the flop with a gutshot and 4 outed with one to come for a $15,000 pot.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 12:56 AM ET #18

    I thought the buy in was 500 to 1000 for the 5/10 game. Not that I ever played in it

    you can play 5-10 NL down here in Florida with the state law of $100 buy in. Thats probably fun
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    I thought the buy in was 500 to 1000 for the 5/10 game. Not that I ever played in it

    you can play 5-10 NL down here in Florida with the state law of $100 buy in. Thats probably fun
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 3:59 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    I thought the buy in was 500 to 1000 for the 5/10 game. Not that I ever played in it

    you can play 5-10 NL down here in Florida with the state law of $100 buy in. Thats probably fun

    It of course depends where you play.  Almost everywhere in vegas there's no cap on the 5-10.  At the wynn they dont cap any game, you could buy in for 1,000,000 at the 1/2 if you want to       I also heard there's a loop hole in that florida law that allows people to get more money on the table but I cant remember it right now.  It was something like ten guys buy in and lose to each other til they all had 1,000 in front of them. Not exactly sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    I thought the buy in was 500 to 1000 for the 5/10 game. Not that I ever played in it

    you can play 5-10 NL down here in Florida with the state law of $100 buy in. Thats probably fun

    It of course depends where you play.  Almost everywhere in vegas there's no cap on the 5-10.  At the wynn they dont cap any game, you could buy in for 1,000,000 at the 1/2 if you want to       I also heard there's a loop hole in that florida law that allows people to get more money on the table but I cant remember it right now.  It was something like ten guys buy in and lose to each other til they all had 1,000 in front of them. Not exactly sure.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2008 - 9:06 AM ET #20

    Vegas,

      I thought there were caps at bellagio for buy ins .
    I have not been there in a few months so maybe it changed. I know some hotels in vegas never have  a max buy in.

    binions and Golden nugget also can buy in unlimited in 1-2 game
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    Vegas,

      I thought there were caps at bellagio for buy ins .
    I have not been there in a few months so maybe it changed. I know some hotels in vegas never have  a max buy in.

    binions and Golden nugget also can buy in unlimited in 1-2 game
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLNightmares:

    Vegas,

      I thought there were caps at bellagio for buy ins .
    I have not been there in a few months so maybe it changed. I know some hotels in vegas never have  a max buy in.

    binions and Golden nugget also can buy in unlimited in 1-2 game

    bellagio actually caps there 5-10 game at 1500 buy in but in my experience nobody pays attention to this after you've been sitting at the table for an hour.  all of a sudden the stack of cash behind someones chips get bigger without them winning a hand.  It's almost an unspoken agreement between regulars not to say anything.  they are used to being able to put whatever they want on table like venetian or wynn.  And if someone actually calls them out on it(which is about once a year) they play dumb and go "oh you have a cap, I didn't know, I usually play at venetian"   Its still amazing to me how many mistakes the dealers make and how bad some of the floormen's rulings are. This is Vegas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLNightmares:

    Vegas,

      I thought there were caps at bellagio for buy ins .
    I have not been there in a few months so maybe it changed. I know some hotels in vegas never have  a max buy in.

    binions and Golden nugget also can buy in unlimited in 1-2 game

    bellagio actually caps there 5-10 game at 1500 buy in but in my experience nobody pays attention to this after you've been sitting at the table for an hour.  all of a sudden the stack of cash behind someones chips get bigger without them winning a hand.  It's almost an unspoken agreement between regulars not to say anything.  they are used to being able to put whatever they want on table like venetian or wynn.  And if someone actually calls them out on it(which is about once a year) they play dumb and go "oh you have a cap, I didn't know, I usually play at venetian"   Its still amazing to me how many mistakes the dealers make and how bad some of the floormen's rulings are. This is Vegas!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    bellagio actually caps there 5-10 game at 1500 buy in but in my experience nobody pays attention to this after you've been sitting at the table for an hour.  all of a sudden the stack of cash behind someones chips get bigger without them winning a hand.  It's almost an unspoken agreement between regulars not to say anything.  they are used to being able to put whatever they want on table like venetian or wynn.  And if someone actually calls them out on it(which is about once a year) they play dumb and go "oh you have a cap, I didn't know, I usually play at venetian"   Its still amazing to me how many mistakes the dealers make and how bad some of the floormen's rulings are. This is Vegas!



    makes sense, thanks for the info
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    bellagio actually caps there 5-10 game at 1500 buy in but in my experience nobody pays attention to this after you've been sitting at the table for an hour.  all of a sudden the stack of cash behind someones chips get bigger without them winning a hand.  It's almost an unspoken agreement between regulars not to say anything.  they are used to being able to put whatever they want on table like venetian or wynn.  And if someone actually calls them out on it(which is about once a year) they play dumb and go "oh you have a cap, I didn't know, I usually play at venetian"   Its still amazing to me how many mistakes the dealers make and how bad some of the floormen's rulings are. This is Vegas!



    makes sense, thanks for the info
     
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    Did you ever consider going all-in post-flop or after the turn.  Every time I let someone suck out like that, I question whether I let them stay in the hand.

    I'll share my own similar story, since it happened just last night...  I was the aggressive one, trying to pretend I was drunk and tilted.  I have about $120 in front of me and villian has about $85 in a 1/2 NL. 

    One from the button, I raise like $8 pre-flop with AhJh.  Button (a known donk) calls. Everyone else folds because I've been playing so crazy and hitting that they don't want my action. 

    Flop comes A25 rainbow.  First to act, I bet the same $8 and get called.

    Turn comes A and I figure two things can happen - 1) I have gotten all the cash I'm gonna get or 2) he calls thinking I am bluffing - so I bet like $50.  He calls.

    River comes blank like a 9 or something and there wasn't more than two suited cards on the board, so I go all-in and immediately get called.  He turns over a 34 off-suit.
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    Did you ever consider going all-in post-flop or after the turn.  Every time I let someone suck out like that, I question whether I let them stay in the hand.

    I'll share my own similar story, since it happened just last night...  I was the aggressive one, trying to pretend I was drunk and tilted.  I have about $120 in front of me and villian has about $85 in a 1/2 NL. 

    One from the button, I raise like $8 pre-flop with AhJh.  Button (a known donk) calls. Everyone else folds because I've been playing so crazy and hitting that they don't want my action. 

    Flop comes A25 rainbow.  First to act, I bet the same $8 and get called.

    Turn comes A and I figure two things can happen - 1) I have gotten all the cash I'm gonna get or 2) he calls thinking I am bluffing - so I bet like $50.  He calls.

    River comes blank like a 9 or something and there wasn't more than two suited cards on the board, so I go all-in and immediately get called.  He turns over a 34 off-suit.
     
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    Pocket Jacks rule. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

    That's why cash games are for insane people.  One bad beat can kill a whole bankroll.

     

    Yeah, if youre stupid enough to have that much of your "roll" at the table at once. Cash games arent for insane people. Your bankroll management is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

    That's why cash games are for insane people.  One bad beat can kill a whole bankroll.

     

    Yeah, if youre stupid enough to have that much of your "roll" at the table at once. Cash games arent for insane people. Your bankroll management is.

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