Electricladylnd is the only person on this thread that is making any sense at all, and maybe that guy that is concerned about collusion makes a decent point too. all these comments about the poker sites programming in bad beats and cash out curses are bullshit.
"but the system slows down some of the better players during stretches"
what? or maybe they just get a bad run of cards like everyone else and they suffer a bad beat every once in a while like everyone else.
Also, why would they spend money to make a separate system to track players and decide whether or not they are good? how do they know they're good? just because they make money? or are they just one of the ones on the right side of "all the bad beats"? So you're saying that they track players that win money, and instead of letting them move up to higher stakes where they will provide higher rakes, they decide to chop them down a bit to even things out? Oh wait, they do that to give donks hope, right? or maybe they give deposit bonuses and free rolls to give donks hope (oh wait no, that'd be legal, so they must be doing illegal things).
So you think they are fixing hands so that donks who call preflop with Q4 suited hit a flush on the river against your aces. how'd they know that donk would call all the way to the river though? do they have programs that analyze their psychology and decide that at this time of night, after this run of play, this donk will definitely call all-in with Q4 suited? and we'll give that good player MajaWaja aces and really screw him! Sweet dude, High Five programmer buddy, we just upped our rake potential by .000000000000000000000000000001%. we did? how? i don't know, do you? no, but the king of online poker said we had to do this illegal thing anyway.
remember, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THE POKER SITE WHO WINS AND WHO LOSES! THEY GET THE SAME RAKE NO MATTER WHAT. so why would they go through the trouble of illegally manufacturing some special program to make YOU lose money while someone else makes it. if they switched it around, they'd make the same amount. so why do YOU lose and HE wins? How do i become a HE? do i get a lucky account?
Or do you claim that they let YOU win for a little while HE loses, and then they switch it after you cash out or something?
What about this claim of programming in "Action Cards" in tournaments or "all-in hands" in sit-n-gos. This is RETARDED. if they wanted you to finish the tournament quicker, they'd make turbo tournaments. OH WAIT, THEY DO! holy crap, they decided to make the tournament quicker LEGALLY instead of ILLEGALLY. amazing. if they still want you to get eliminated quicker, they'd make Knockout tournaments where they'd be incentivizing you to go all-in more often. OH WAIT, THEY DO! If they still wanted you to get eliminated earlier, they'd make the blinds go up even faster, like super turbo. OH WAIT, THEY DO! or maybe they make the ante's really big so that people go all in faster - OH WAIT, THEY DO!
what the fuck is the point of doing something illegal to get you to give them a rake faster? They have all these ways of doing it legally.
MajaWaja and Soblatant, i'm sorry, but you two have no clue. You are getting frustrated with Electricldyland because he's unable to "expand his brain" or something. But he's right. the quicker you realize it, the better. You're talking like people who think George Bush put a car bomb in the world trade.
Well I am not sure if it is rigged or just more geared to generate action, but have a look at this.
Last night I am in some tourney and in 30th out of 160 in chips. Chip leader to our right been raising 600 each hand with 200 bb. He just moved to table and has done this every hand for 15 straight hands until he decides to raise all of his 25k in chips with 200bb.
Why does he do that? I am not sure but I have KK in my hand. I almost folded because it was so shady. How shady you ask? Shady like me having pocket queens, flopping q77 and losing to river 7 in the cash game for 250 earlier that day. Or shady like being dealt AA23 ds in high low NL Omaha 6 hands in a row only to be put all in each hand by weak hands to lose every one of them for close to 900 dollars.
I made the call in the tourney and of course the guy had aces. Why would the guy who never raises more than 600 put all chips in middle? Who would call his bet anyway? Blinds only 200 and he has whole table stacked. Only a set up hand would force him to do that right?? Wouldn't he want some action with aces?
You be the judge. I am done though.
like one of your other buddies who was banned from hereisn't that considered cheating having multiple accountsor if you work for them it's okay then
Its in the best interest to keep as many players into the game as possible to increase the rake.
Very true sir, very true. So tell me how they do keep as many players into the game as possible...
option 1 - offer free rolls, deposit bonuses, frequent player points, a lot of game options, 24/7 access, tournaments every second, marketing, advertising, promotions.
option 2 - create a system to track the play of everyone on the site, decide somehow which ones deserve to get good cards when and which ones deserve to get bad cards when (remembering that they have to program a "good player" to play against a "bad player" at the exact same time in a perfect situation to where they will both play a hand through and the good player will get a bad beat.) Or that they have to give the "good players" good hands, but have them lose to bad players with bad hands that they hope they'll call with to fuck with the good players and catch them on the river. And they have to have a system where 6 of these targeted players can't be at the same 6 person table at once, otherwise they can't program them all to get the bad beats at the same time. it's imperative that good players play at tables with donks, otherwise our plan backfires. Oh and if anyone cashes out, we have to give them bad cards so that they buy back in. but if a player that just cashed out some of their money plays at a table with other players that just cashed out, we can't give them all bad cards at once, someone has to win, so there's another problem. Oh, and once one of those bad players that we reward goes too hot, we need to cool him off. so once he wins $100, we need to give him bad cards. or wait, is $100 the amount to switch him over, or is it $50, or is it $150, or is it $200, or is it $250, or is it $500? I forget, what's the basis for someone being hot or cold? And then when that good player that we gave bad beats to after cashing out finally deposits again, let's put him into good situations again until he wins 11 hands in a row, then lets give him AA three times in a row and program someone else to call him all three times with crap and have him lose! yeah, yeah, good one. call the programmer, have him put that in. "but sir, it costs $100 an hour to pay that programmer and you're coming up with schemes to make an extra $0.03 rake of some guy in Montevideo, Uruguay." WHO CARES, JUST DO IT.
Very true sir, very true. So tell me how they do keep as many players into the game as possible...
option 1 - offer free rolls, deposit bonuses, frequent player points, a lot of game options, 24/7 access, tournaments every second, marketing, advertising, promotions.
option 2 - create a system to track the play of everyone on the site, decide somehow which ones deserve to get good cards when and which ones deserve to get bad cards when (remembering that they have to program a "good player" to play against a "bad player" at the exact same time in a perfect situation to where they will both play a hand through and the good player will get a bad beat.) Or that they have to give the "good players" good hands, but have them lose to bad players with bad hands that they hope they'll call with to fuck with the good players and catch them on the river. And they have to have a system where 6 of these targeted players can't be at the same 6 person table at once, otherwise they can't program them all to get the bad beats at the same time. it's imperative that good players play at tables with donks, otherwise our plan backfires. Oh and if anyone cashes out, we have to give them bad cards so that they buy back in. but if a player that just cashed out some of their money plays at a table with other players that just cashed out, we can't give them all bad cards at once, someone has to win, so there's another problem. Oh, and once one of those bad players that we reward goes too hot, we need to cool him off. so once he wins $100, we need to give him bad cards. or wait, is $100 the amount to switch him over, or is it $50, or is it $150, or is it $200, or is it $250, or is it $500? I forget, what's the basis for someone being hot or cold? And then when that good player that we gave bad beats to after cashing out finally deposits again, let's put him into good situations again until he wins 11 hands in a row, then lets give him AA three times in a row and program someone else to call him all three times with crap and have him lose! yeah, yeah, good one. call the programmer, have him put that in. "but sir, it costs $100 an hour to pay that programmer and you're coming up with schemes to make an extra $0.03 rake of some guy in Montevideo, Uruguay." WHO CARES, JUST DO IT.
ok, questions:
1. How do you know the people running every poker site are greedy criminals? Have you interviewed them or are you stereotyping them?
2. How do you know that their simple platform of making amazing profits with very little overhead isn't enough for them and they have made the decision to uniformly break the law for marginal better profits under an elaborate system that targets good players and forces the to lose more than if they played live?
3. How do you know that it is easy enough for 1 to 2 people at a company to program these intricate algorithms to somehow target players that win money live but lose money only online? Seems pretty elaborate, as my rant under my previous post called Option 2 tried to touch on...
ok, questions:
1. How do you know the people running every poker site are greedy criminals? Have you interviewed them or are you stereotyping them?
2. How do you know that their simple platform of making amazing profits with very little overhead isn't enough for them and they have made the decision to uniformly break the law for marginal better profits under an elaborate system that targets good players and forces the to lose more than if they played live?
3. How do you know that it is easy enough for 1 to 2 people at a company to program these intricate algorithms to somehow target players that win money live but lose money only online? Seems pretty elaborate, as my rant under my previous post called Option 2 tried to touch on...
ok, questions:
1. How do you know the people running every poker site are greedy criminals? Have you interviewed them or are you stereotyping them?
2. How do you know that their simple platform of making amazing profits with very little overhead isn't enough for them and they have made the decision to uniformly break the law for marginal better profits under an elaborate system that targets good players and forces the to lose more than if they played live?
3. How do you know that it is easy enough for 1 to 2 people at a company to program these intricate algorithms to somehow target players that win money live but lose money only online? Seems pretty elaborate, as my rant under my previous post called Option 2 tried to touch on...
electric,
what's your favorite free poker tracking site? or do you pay for a membership to one?
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