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    another reason why i think online poker is rigged...

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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 11:10 AM ET #1

    pokerstars 25 dollar sit-n-go...6 max turbo
     
    5 players left
    i get dealt kk which i call hoping no ace hits flop
    second man goes allin with qq
    third man calls with 77
    flop is rag k q
    turn is a 7
    river is a rag, so i win but still, everyone tripped up just like that, calling induced cards if u ask me
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    pokerstars 25 dollar sit-n-go...6 max turbo
     
    5 players left
    i get dealt kk which i call hoping no ace hits flop
    second man goes allin with qq
    third man calls with 77
    flop is rag k q
    turn is a 7
    river is a rag, so i win but still, everyone tripped up just like that, calling induced cards if u ask me
     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 12:55 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    i've had investigators work trying to prove i'm a bot or doing something illegal because of my winning % and history of month cashouts for 3 years now...

     

     

    If by "investigators" you mean some guy on the chat board calling you a bot then i believe it. Other than that, gimme break dude. Youre not sooooooo good people think youre not human. The lies people tell on this site are hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    i've had investigators work trying to prove i'm a bot or doing something illegal because of my winning % and history of month cashouts for 3 years now...

     

     

    If by "investigators" you mean some guy on the chat board calling you a bot then i believe it. Other than that, gimme break dude. Youre not sooooooo good people think youre not human. The lies people tell on this site are hilarious

     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 1:02 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    you know that kid KHAN who made that run in the WSOP this year with all his chanting and hollering like a fool??? he's known as the best online player around and he's legit 100%
     

     

    I never thought Id see someone act more childish, irritating, and just downright idiotic at a table than Humberto Brenes until I saw this clowns act at the WSOP. The guy is trying so hard to be funny and failing miserably. MAYBE 1% of his act was funny, the rest was just a clown wanting attention. Pathetic, play pokaer and act like an adult.

     

    Also, who lied to you and told you he was the best online player around??? Cuz that it total horse shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    you know that kid KHAN who made that run in the WSOP this year with all his chanting and hollering like a fool??? he's known as the best online player around and he's legit 100%
     

     

    I never thought Id see someone act more childish, irritating, and just downright idiotic at a table than Humberto Brenes until I saw this clowns act at the WSOP. The guy is trying so hard to be funny and failing miserably. MAYBE 1% of his act was funny, the rest was just a clown wanting attention. Pathetic, play pokaer and act like an adult.

     

    Also, who lied to you and told you he was the best online player around??? Cuz that it total horse shit

     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 1:06 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    something people need to realize about online poker...they only make $$$ on the rake...the more hands they can get dealt, the more $$$ they make...that's why there's more turbo tables now than ever...
    regarding sit,ngo's, they only make $$$ on the buy in by a % of the fee (the $25 sng's probably like 2.50 rake per player right?)
    so they make these sng's finish as quick as possible so that another one can get going...it's likely that hands like the one you described is programed into the site's deep programming for turbo sng's so to speed up the game...but it's not fixed as set over set happens more times than you'd think...plus the pocket 7's should have probably folded preflop when the QQ's goes all in, so the site may "needle" him by his poor call by bringing the 7 on the turn (again it's deep in the programming of the shuffle)...if you throw out the player with the 77, you just have set over set, so why is it that you still believe online poker is fixed? based on this one hand it's not even close to a bad beat...i flopped 4 of a kind with JJ i nmy hand...and it comes perfect perfect for someone to make a royal flush using just his Ace...horse cock happens on the poker table more than on most farms in the countryside...don't deposit anymore real cash into online poker if you think it's not legit...but the fact that you're still playing online suggests that you still believe you can beat the game and win money off of other players.
    Do you know who BRAD BOOTH is?
    One of the best "non-famous" poker player around right now...but he recently lost almost 3 million dollars playing online over a very short period of time, you'd think after the first million a poker pro like him would also believe it was fixed and would just walk away and accept the loss right?
    Online poker is just a different type of game than what most "live" players are used to, and that's why solid poker players hit major speed bumps and can take major hits while playing online poker...it's simply a different game, albeit it's the same...if that makes any sense to you...it took me almost 2 years to figure out the online poker world and how to adjust my game to profit from it...last 3 years i've only had to make 2 deposits of $1000 each time, and i've had investigators work trying to prove i'm a bot or doing something illegal because of my winning % and history of month cashouts for 3 years now...you know that kid KHAN who made that run in the WSOP this year with all his chanting and hollering like a fool??? he's known as the best online player around and he's legit 100%
    I think you're just posting here to vent frustrations which is cool, but to conitnue the online fixing mentality isn't justified in my opinion.

     

    Then you go on saying that the site dishes out hands to induce action and put a 7 on the board to "needle" the guy for a bad call all trying to prove the point that IT IS LEGIT??? WHAT???????? If the site does what you just said thats not legit, Thats staging hands, thats not legit.I really dont understand how a site can rig hands the way u say and you use that as justification that its legit. Stupid

     

    By the way I think its legit just to let u know

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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    something people need to realize about online poker...they only make $$$ on the rake...the more hands they can get dealt, the more $$$ they make...that's why there's more turbo tables now than ever...
    regarding sit,ngo's, they only make $$$ on the buy in by a % of the fee (the $25 sng's probably like 2.50 rake per player right?)
    so they make these sng's finish as quick as possible so that another one can get going...it's likely that hands like the one you described is programed into the site's deep programming for turbo sng's so to speed up the game...but it's not fixed as set over set happens more times than you'd think...plus the pocket 7's should have probably folded preflop when the QQ's goes all in, so the site may "needle" him by his poor call by bringing the 7 on the turn (again it's deep in the programming of the shuffle)...if you throw out the player with the 77, you just have set over set, so why is it that you still believe online poker is fixed? based on this one hand it's not even close to a bad beat...i flopped 4 of a kind with JJ i nmy hand...and it comes perfect perfect for someone to make a royal flush using just his Ace...horse cock happens on the poker table more than on most farms in the countryside...don't deposit anymore real cash into online poker if you think it's not legit...but the fact that you're still playing online suggests that you still believe you can beat the game and win money off of other players.
    Do you know who BRAD BOOTH is?
    One of the best "non-famous" poker player around right now...but he recently lost almost 3 million dollars playing online over a very short period of time, you'd think after the first million a poker pro like him would also believe it was fixed and would just walk away and accept the loss right?
    Online poker is just a different type of game than what most "live" players are used to, and that's why solid poker players hit major speed bumps and can take major hits while playing online poker...it's simply a different game, albeit it's the same...if that makes any sense to you...it took me almost 2 years to figure out the online poker world and how to adjust my game to profit from it...last 3 years i've only had to make 2 deposits of $1000 each time, and i've had investigators work trying to prove i'm a bot or doing something illegal because of my winning % and history of month cashouts for 3 years now...you know that kid KHAN who made that run in the WSOP this year with all his chanting and hollering like a fool??? he's known as the best online player around and he's legit 100%
    I think you're just posting here to vent frustrations which is cool, but to conitnue the online fixing mentality isn't justified in my opinion.

     

    Then you go on saying that the site dishes out hands to induce action and put a 7 on the board to "needle" the guy for a bad call all trying to prove the point that IT IS LEGIT??? WHAT???????? If the site does what you just said thats not legit, Thats staging hands, thats not legit.I really dont understand how a site can rig hands the way u say and you use that as justification that its legit. Stupid

     

    By the way I think its legit just to let u know

     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 1:11 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

     
    Why i get hounded by people for just giving my honest input and knowledge when i'm clearly trying to help out a fellow gambler i'll never quite understand.

     

    The reason I hounded you is because you exaggerated (lied) about the "investigators", 2nd you come up with this horse shit "best player around" thing about Kahn, 3rd you talk about the site riggin hands and then say its legit

     

    Those are 3 good enough reasons to get hounded as far as im concerned!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

     
    Why i get hounded by people for just giving my honest input and knowledge when i'm clearly trying to help out a fellow gambler i'll never quite understand.

     

    The reason I hounded you is because you exaggerated (lied) about the "investigators", 2nd you come up with this horse shit "best player around" thing about Kahn, 3rd you talk about the site riggin hands and then say its legit

     

    Those are 3 good enough reasons to get hounded as far as im concerned!!!!!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 1:20 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

     i was just giving my honest opinion of why i think the 7 came on the turn...poker needs to survive by giving the bad players hope so they won't realize they are actually bad players that will likely never experience a single cash out online in their online poker existence...with this false hope they will then be compelled to chase their losses and reload their account

     

    If this is your honest opinion I dont see how you think its legit. You talk about the computer giving the bad players hope so they reload and then in the same breath say its legit. Are you even reading what youre writing. The most contradictory statements ive seen, youre ridiculous. "yeah the computer fixes hands to speed up the game, but yeah its ;legit" Fucking moronic statement 

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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

     i was just giving my honest opinion of why i think the 7 came on the turn...poker needs to survive by giving the bad players hope so they won't realize they are actually bad players that will likely never experience a single cash out online in their online poker existence...with this false hope they will then be compelled to chase their losses and reload their account

     

    If this is your honest opinion I dont see how you think its legit. You talk about the computer giving the bad players hope so they reload and then in the same breath say its legit. Are you even reading what youre writing. The most contradictory statements ive seen, youre ridiculous. "yeah the computer fixes hands to speed up the game, but yeah its ;legit" Fucking moronic statement 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 1:29 PM ET #7

    You never explaind your contradictory statements
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    You never explaind your contradictory statements
     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 1:30 PM ET #8

    also , yes I think youre lying
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    also , yes I think youre lying
     
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    Seems to me that im arguing with a guy  thats lying about his gaem, making ridiculous statement about a guy being the "best around" and a guy that thinks the site rigs hands but also think its legit. See what Im dealing with here!!! And I havent even gotten to the original poster's ridiculous claim
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    Seems to me that im arguing with a guy  thats lying about his gaem, making ridiculous statement about a guy being the "best around" and a guy that thinks the site rigs hands but also think its legit. See what Im dealing with here!!! And I havent even gotten to the original poster's ridiculous claim
     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 1:35 PM ET #10

    avoid the question cuz u dont have an answer, standard
     
    Gl to you
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    avoid the question cuz u dont have an answer, standard
     
    Gl to you
     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 2:00 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    i didn't realize you were the official online poker police to correct my opinions...you should reread what i wrote and you will find that i'm only giving my advice and opinion...no where am i making actual stated facts about them putting the 7 on the turn for sure (i have no idea why that happens so regularly but it does)...KHAN is well known as one the best online from a profit stand point, and everything else i wrote about my own personal experience was shared only to give the OP a better understanding as to why i'm telling him that online poker is NOT fixed...please stop trying to convict me of pre-meditated 1st degree murder
     
    All hands are not random...because humans like you and me had to first create that specific "random shuffling" computer porgram to even make computer poker possible...you and i are not astrophysic's geniuses and i really don't want to know how these people programmed the shuffles and such....but the average person needs to know that it's all a computer program written by humans with the site's overall best intention to make it the most money possible by the rake.
    You are a good debater, but name calling and accusations won't win you too many arguements. GL 2U2

     

    So you dont win arguments with name calling and then u call me names (poker police). hilarious

     

    I know all this is your opinion i just dont understand how your opinion can be that some hands are rigged but overall its legit, i dont get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    i didn't realize you were the official online poker police to correct my opinions...you should reread what i wrote and you will find that i'm only giving my advice and opinion...no where am i making actual stated facts about them putting the 7 on the turn for sure (i have no idea why that happens so regularly but it does)...KHAN is well known as one the best online from a profit stand point, and everything else i wrote about my own personal experience was shared only to give the OP a better understanding as to why i'm telling him that online poker is NOT fixed...please stop trying to convict me of pre-meditated 1st degree murder
     
    All hands are not random...because humans like you and me had to first create that specific "random shuffling" computer porgram to even make computer poker possible...you and i are not astrophysic's geniuses and i really don't want to know how these people programmed the shuffles and such....but the average person needs to know that it's all a computer program written by humans with the site's overall best intention to make it the most money possible by the rake.
    You are a good debater, but name calling and accusations won't win you too many arguements. GL 2U2

     

    So you dont win arguments with name calling and then u call me names (poker police). hilarious

     

    I know all this is your opinion i just dont understand how your opinion can be that some hands are rigged but overall its legit, i dont get it

     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 7:42 PM ET #12

     never thought Id see someone act more childish, irritating, and just downright idiotic at a table than Humberto Brenes until I saw this clowns act at the WSOP. The guy is trying so hard to be funny and failing miserably. MAYBE 1% of his act was funny, the rest was just a clown wanting attention. Pathetic, play pokaer and act like an adult.
     
    Brenes is a major douche bag.I'm surprised he hasn't yet been punched in the grill by a poker degenerate.  
     
    Ummmm 1% of Kahn's act was funny? I think you are giving him too much credit. He was really
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     never thought Id see someone act more childish, irritating, and just downright idiotic at a table than Humberto Brenes until I saw this clowns act at the WSOP. The guy is trying so hard to be funny and failing miserably. MAYBE 1% of his act was funny, the rest was just a clown wanting attention. Pathetic, play pokaer and act like an adult.
     
    Brenes is a major douche bag.I'm surprised he hasn't yet been punched in the grill by a poker degenerate.  
     
    Ummmm 1% of Kahn's act was funny? I think you are giving him too much credit. He was really
     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 7:46 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonKen:

     
     
    Ummmm 1% of Kahn's act was funny? I think you are giving him too much credit. He was really

     

    Yeah I agree,biggest douchebag ive ever seen

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonKen:

     
     
    Ummmm 1% of Kahn's act was funny? I think you are giving him too much credit. He was really

     

    Yeah I agree,biggest douchebag ive ever seen

     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 11:14 PM ET #14

    khan did act like a dbag but look what it got him   a sponsorship from the biggest and best online site stars and khan played 30 tbls at once .......i remember punchin his name up one nite and this mofo was at like 25 tbls at once and i thought it wasnt possible and emailed stars and they said they had him tape the whole thing he does and he did .....he is legit .that is the famous you tube video of him playin all them tables .......i like to watch him play because he always gets deep and goes broke lol
     
     
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    khan did act like a dbag but look what it got him   a sponsorship from the biggest and best online site stars and khan played 30 tbls at once .......i remember punchin his name up one nite and this mofo was at like 25 tbls at once and i thought it wasnt possible and emailed stars and they said they had him tape the whole thing he does and he did .....he is legit .that is the famous you tube video of him playin all them tables .......i like to watch him play because he always gets deep and goes broke lol
     
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2008 - 11:17 PM ET #15

    and i cant stand humberto and dee shaaaarrkkkk
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    and i cant stand humberto and dee shaaaarrkkkk
     
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    online poker !!! hello its a computer dealing cards, and arent computers programmable. just ask the ceo at absolute poker who left the company with software to see his opponents cards.won a tournament and then got busted. online poker legit ?? its all entertainment value, and somebody will win or some computer programmer will win. they got poker bots that will chat online with their opponents, take breaks once in a while, all to act like a human. online poker legit ????
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    online poker !!! hello its a computer dealing cards, and arent computers programmable. just ask the ceo at absolute poker who left the company with software to see his opponents cards.won a tournament and then got busted. online poker legit ?? its all entertainment value, and somebody will win or some computer programmer will win. they got poker bots that will chat online with their opponents, take breaks once in a while, all to act like a human. online poker legit ????
     
     
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    The reason you see so many bad beats online compared to Real life is you see 6X more hands.... I used to deal poker and when I had a table that was very serious no BS going on I could deal about 30 hand an hour.... online does about 180 more if the table doesnt keep getting disconn and stuff like that..... They make a ton of money on the rakes.... it does them no good to rig to make joe blow win a hand.... the worst bad beat i ever had online was as follows (happend about 4 years ago and i remeber it like yesterday) I have AA and raise $40 before the flop.... get reraised by another guy to $100.... 4 callers (btw this is a $1,2 no limit table)..... I reraise all in for $220 and some change.... every person calls me.... they dont show the cards until the end of the hand so i dont know what i am up against.... the flop comes A, K, 10...Turn is 3 River is a 10......   one guy had pocket king.... one had queen jack.... one had AK and one had pocket 10s...... seems hard to beleive.... but it is possible to happen in real life... so i got over it and kept playing...and all that the poker site got was their max $1 rake off of someone winning about $1000 (i actually ended up wining a little on the hand because the guy with pocket 10s couldnt cover my bet by about $80 so i ended up doing ok on the hand.... but thats poker
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    The reason you see so many bad beats online compared to Real life is you see 6X more hands.... I used to deal poker and when I had a table that was very serious no BS going on I could deal about 30 hand an hour.... online does about 180 more if the table doesnt keep getting disconn and stuff like that..... They make a ton of money on the rakes.... it does them no good to rig to make joe blow win a hand.... the worst bad beat i ever had online was as follows (happend about 4 years ago and i remeber it like yesterday) I have AA and raise $40 before the flop.... get reraised by another guy to $100.... 4 callers (btw this is a $1,2 no limit table)..... I reraise all in for $220 and some change.... every person calls me.... they dont show the cards until the end of the hand so i dont know what i am up against.... the flop comes A, K, 10...Turn is 3 River is a 10......   one guy had pocket king.... one had queen jack.... one had AK and one had pocket 10s...... seems hard to beleive.... but it is possible to happen in real life... so i got over it and kept playing...and all that the poker site got was their max $1 rake off of someone winning about $1000 (i actually ended up wining a little on the hand because the guy with pocket 10s couldnt cover my bet by about $80 so i ended up doing ok on the hand.... but thats poker
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