To all gun owner advocates

"Maybe if the wackjob in Tuscon only had 6 bullets available, there would be a lot less than 6 dead and 14 wounded people."

Breaking :

01/18/2011- This just in ............Children that play in the highway have a greater chance of being run over by a car, than ones that play in their own backyard ............

Ahh, SS.  Now you're being ridiculous :)

I didn't  realize it at the time, but he was making the case for reduced availability of ammo not reducing the size of magazines. 

He must be a hell of a shot to only need 6 shots Quail hunting. 


This whole argument is ridiculous Anent. 

Rick,

hard to discuss the issue with so many emotional posts.  we'll never figure this issue out, how to solve it on both sides, if we can't discuss.  I think these responses show where this country is on this subject.  Strongly disagree, sure, but you gotta be able to discuss the issues right?

My roommate owns 3 guns, my Dad owns a couple, my two best friends both own guns, but one of them wouldn't know what to do with it and that makes him dangerous ( A gay liberal who owns a shotgun and is probably not a good thing!).  I've thought about buying a gun.  Owning a gun, for me, is not the issue.  For me, it's about living with knowing I killed someone, however justified.  I'm just not much of a killer Rick.  Still feel guilty about some squirrels I shot with my pellet gun! Owning a gun and being psychologically mature enough to handle taking a life are two different things.

Anent, not ridiculous  I only stated the obvious ...like the statement I quoted ...

But the same results could have happened in Arizona had the shooter had two guns, that held less ammo ...No ?

The firearm or any type of firearm is not the blame ,,it's the man holding the firearm ..in this case an imbicile....making laws and placing restrictions on guns,only restricts the law-abiding citizen.

The 2nd Amendment :

When they tell you..,you don't need it...that's when you need it ..........

Rick,

There's a great old classic movie called "Gun Crazy," not to be confused with the horrible Drew Barrymore movie btsn.  It's a little hokey if you don't like classics, but the action and drama are great.  The main character just "loves guns," and he's on the right path until he meets his female counterpart at a carnival shooting contest.

Check it out!

do you know about the glock story in massachusetts?

if you have time, do some googling about the specifics, but cliffs notes, they banned them, then allowed them, then re banned them and confiscated all the ones purchased after the initial ban was lifted.  ACLU, nowhere to be found.

The ACLU is against personal gun ownership, and has time and again shirked their duty when it comes to the 2nd amendment,  they ride the fence on this issue, leaning toward outright bans, as they believe that the 2nd amendment refers to a collective right, and not individual. 

ACLU chooses to support  : A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

 (and chooses to omit)  the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I never understood how relegating the possession of firearms to govt. controlled organizations fulfills the intent of the 2nd amendment (as I read, and understand it) .

Rick...   I just got my hands on the FNH ps90

50 round clips of pure pleasure.   That 5.7 is one hell of a round.

I never liked the bullpup design, magazine changes seemed awkward, and took too much concentration. 

I would like to shoot one again.  We were able to shoot some at a foreign weapons familiarization class a couple of years ago.  Definitely shoots smoother because of the posture that you shoot (more compact).  I suppose it is down to preference, and it is a fine firearm. 

tactically the bullpup design is just awkward. if you watch a bullpup on the firing range, you see the operator having to hold the barrel straight up to the sky to perform a magazine change.

the traditional M-4 has the ability to keep the sights trained ahead, and change magazines without changing a sight picture. 

at first it was very awkward for me  but after 300 rounds it was candy.  finally figured the way i needed to hold the thing.  Once i got the bungee strap involved

The bullpup/riflepistol seems like it would be hell in a close quarters scenerio. 

In the woods, house/building clearing.   Any action within 50-100 yds id want one with me. 

Maybe Covers should have a guns and ammo forum subject!

Oh so I guess you are in favor of amending the Bill of Rights.

Americans have the right to bear arms.  Not the right, after a bunch of nonsense.  The right to bear arms means just that.

Our forefathers were far wiser than any of you trying to "tweak" our bill of rights.

Maybe you should STFU and let the men talk


J/K 

How about maybe you shouldn't start a call-out thread to gun owners ....

 [Politics] Topic: To all gun owner advocates.

Actually it ended when you realized you didn’t have a leg to stand on and your argument of emotion > logic, facts, and reason had lost. Also there was the fact that you could never answer this question that was asked multiple times:

You are at home with your family at 3:00AM. Someone breaks in with a shotgun intent on doing harm to you and your family. The police are at least 10 minutes away. What do you do to protect your family while you are waiting for the police to come and save you?

 

obama, i mean hes supposedly paying for ppls gases and paying for their mortgages, might as well add home security to the list.

@Sarasota

 You haven’t offered very much to this debate other than your one liners that have no substance at all to them.   And you wonder why anent criticizes your posts.  These comments offer no value to a debate. If “guns kill people ,do keyboards misspell words ?”

“............Children that play in the highway have a greater chance of being run over by a car, than ones that play in their own backyard ............”

These comments are sarcasm in its finest form and offer no value to a debate. 

@ steveshane

You type comments in a thread about gun politics using the lingo of a 14 year old girl. How can anyone take you seriously?

@sportsfan

When was the Bill of Rights written? Do you even know what you’re arguing? This is the 21^st Century. You do realize there is the power to change a law and amend it right?

@straightshooter

I never presented any emotion in that thread at all. In fact you were the one who was bringing up these fictitious examples there were full of emotion and 4 guys confronting 1 girl. Give me break. Please tell me where I provided emotion in any of my comments. 

Also, if you look at this thread, you have posters like Rick3117 who have even admitted to posting with such emotion and even “combativeness” as he calls it. So don’t give me this bullshit about myself posting with emotion I never once posted a sentence full of emotion but rather statistical facts and evidence of the NYC gun laws proving how strict they are and that many other states should adopt these similar laws.

This debate has gone no where and there is really no reason to continue because those who hold views that are contradictory to others don't know how to present information without insulting, using sarcasm or blatanly disregarding comments in a post......

stiln, thats a great diversion technique that seems all to common by the left leaning members on this forum.  you cant refute an argument that directly contradicts your false beliefs, so you resort to personal attacks.

and fwiw (am i allowed to abbreviate that? dlmk, oops, there i go again), being a "good shot" is not the lingo of a 14yo girl, and i have no idea why you would think that way.  being a "good shot" is actually common nomenclature, well at least among non gun haters in society.

and do me this one favor, educate yourself on england.  we have a legit real world case study of a major western society BANNING guns.  and guess what happened????? GUN CRIME INCREASED!!!!!! shocking, i know.

but rather statistical facts and evidence of the NYC gun laws proving how strict they are and that many other states should adopt these similar laws

i did not notice any statistical facts in any of your posts or evidence, in fact this is your first mention of new york in this thread i believe

@steveshane

Never once did I say banning guns.  You misread and plugged words into my mouth there.   I said making it DIFFICULT to purchase a fireman. Do you understand that difference?  Also I am not interested in comparing England to the USA. I am interested in researching gun homicides in states with less strict guns laws that require more than the 4473 form.   If you don’t know what the 4473 form is look it up.

Also having a good shot is a very vague term.  Please explain to me what a good shot is? Hitting a target from 10 feet away? 30 feet away? Or perhaps 50 feet away with a 22mm pistol? Or with a 44 magnum? Or perhaps good shot simply means simulating a shot on a computer screen that the gun licensing officers allow?  Please do explain your level of proficiency that should be involved with receiving a firearms license.  

Also I know you will probably disregard this last point as you assumed by my comment that your 14 year old lingo was conveniently referring to the good shot term.  Not quite sure why you would think that. I was referring to the fact that when you used “bc” to abbreviate because.   Of course everyone knows what that means but why not show a little more intelligence and write out the full word?

Are you that lazy that you can’t type out the full word because and capitalize the 1^st word  of a sentence?  That’s pretty pathetic……..

@rooster

There you go:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/americas-gun-laws-how-did_b_165825.html

 

Actually I simply said that a woman that is armed and knows how to use the weapon properly is in a better situation to defend herself from attack than a woman that is defenseless. Then you came back with elaborate scenarios like “well what if she is going up against 4 gang members with .44’s hell bent on killing her.”

You also keep mentioning “.22mm pistols.”  Whatever the hell that is.

Wait, wait, wait. You randomly copied and pasted some New York statutes that had nothing to do with the discussion as a filler when you had nothing of substance to counter with and you are actually bringing that up as how you used “statistical facts.”

 

find me something that is unbiased and not based on an agenda built with an ambiguous grading system

you linked me an article written by the president of the brady campaign published in the huffington post???

i could link you a hundred articles from biased sources to refute your source

please refute my earlier link that debunks the grading system put in place by the brady bill to fit their agenda