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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:22 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by vicb:

    I really dont understand the move for Giguere........why add $3m to the goaltending position for a guy near the end of his career..its not as if they will be winning the cup next year.If he gets a 1st rounder back as well then it is a bit different but if not,why waste the cap space??


    Gustavsson needs some time. Too much pressure to put on a guy switching to an entirely different style of pucks. Toskala was finished in Toronto no matter what they did with him. Giguere, in my estimation, is just some insurance for the next year or so while Gustavsson improves on his knack for giving up giant rebounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicb:

    I really dont understand the move for Giguere........why add $3m to the goaltending position for a guy near the end of his career..its not as if they will be winning the cup next year.If he gets a 1st rounder back as well then it is a bit different but if not,why waste the cap space??


    Gustavsson needs some time. Too much pressure to put on a guy switching to an entirely different style of pucks. Toskala was finished in Toronto no matter what they did with him. Giguere, in my estimation, is just some insurance for the next year or so while Gustavsson improves on his knack for giving up giant rebounds.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:23 PM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnypicks:

    unless he plans on packaging Phaneuf and someone for Kovalchuk and rights?



    Burke's already stated that he has no intention of going after a guy who is going to be making 8 million+ for several years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnypicks:

    unless he plans on packaging Phaneuf and someone for Kovalchuk and rights?



    Burke's already stated that he has no intention of going after a guy who is going to be making 8 million+ for several years.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:24 PM ET #78

    Quote Originally Posted by weeble5672:



    Gustavsson needs some time. Too much pressure to put on a guy switching to an entirely different style of pucks. Toskala was finished in Toronto no matter what they did with him. Giguere, in my estimation, is just some insurance for the next year or so while Gustavsson improves on his knack for giving up giant rebounds.

    I do see the need to have a guy mentor Gustavsson but the price tag is kinda hefty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeble5672:



    Gustavsson needs some time. Too much pressure to put on a guy switching to an entirely different style of pucks. Toskala was finished in Toronto no matter what they did with him. Giguere, in my estimation, is just some insurance for the next year or so while Gustavsson improves on his knack for giving up giant rebounds.

    I do see the need to have a guy mentor Gustavsson but the price tag is kinda hefty.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:25 PM ET #79

    Fuckin Burke..

    Real winners today are the Bruins who just locked up Hall or Seguin. I am sure that was another "great" trade for the Leafs though and anyone that criticized it was a hater.

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    Fuckin Burke..

    Real winners today are the Bruins who just locked up Hall or Seguin. I am sure that was another "great" trade for the Leafs though and anyone that criticized it was a hater.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:28 PM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by wiggins:

    Fuckin Burke..

    Real winners today are the Bruins who just locked up Hall or Seguin. I am sure that was another "great" trade for the Leafs though and anyone that criticized it was a hater.



    Said the Habs fan/Leafs hater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggins:

    Fuckin Burke..

    Real winners today are the Bruins who just locked up Hall or Seguin. I am sure that was another "great" trade for the Leafs though and anyone that criticized it was a hater.



    Said the Habs fan/Leafs hater.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:29 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by MLBguru:

    What a terrible terrible trade.

    Ian White is your best all around defensive player.  Had a plus rating on the Leafs last two seasons and that's saying something on that team.

    Phaneuff is overrated, I don't even think he was ever in contention to be on team Canada.  Glad to see Yzerman and Co. are starting to see how poorly he can play at times.

    Did you watch White play last night.........best all around defensemen.....not a chance.  Fantastic deal for the Leafs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLBguru:

    What a terrible terrible trade.

    Ian White is your best all around defensive player.  Had a plus rating on the Leafs last two seasons and that's saying something on that team.

    Phaneuff is overrated, I don't even think he was ever in contention to be on team Canada.  Glad to see Yzerman and Co. are starting to see how poorly he can play at times.

    Did you watch White play last night.........best all around defensemen.....not a chance.  Fantastic deal for the Leafs.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:32 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:

    Did you watch White play last night.........best all around defensemen.....not a chance.  Fantastic deal for the Leafs.

    And you base that on one game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:

    Did you watch White play last night.........best all around defensemen.....not a chance.  Fantastic deal for the Leafs.

    And you base that on one game?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:32 PM ET #83

    At least 11 mil for Phaneuf/Komi is not as bad as 12.3 invested in Gomez/Gionta.
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    At least 11 mil for Phaneuf/Komi is not as bad as 12.3 invested in Gomez/Gionta.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:35 PM ET #84

    I dont care what anyone says these where 2 good trades for TO

    Burke is the F***ing man and blake and his big contract are gone.

     

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    I dont care what anyone says these where 2 good trades for TO

    Burke is the F***ing man and blake and his big contract are gone.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:44 PM ET #85

    As a long time Leafs fan I love these trades:

    White - average at best

    Hagman - invisible 90% of the time

    Stajan - never gonna make it in T.O. (had his chance)

    Mayers - LOL

    Blake - double LOL

    Toskala - triple LOL

    Great news all around.  Shipped out 7 useless bums for 1 stud D-Man and some potential.  I'll eat 1 more year of Giguere's contract in exchnage of 3 years of Blake's (who should be in the AHL)

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    As a long time Leafs fan I love these trades:

    White - average at best

    Hagman - invisible 90% of the time

    Stajan - never gonna make it in T.O. (had his chance)

    Mayers - LOL

    Blake - double LOL

    Toskala - triple LOL

    Great news all around.  Shipped out 7 useless bums for 1 stud D-Man and some potential.  I'll eat 1 more year of Giguere's contract in exchnage of 3 years of Blake's (who should be in the AHL)

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:44 PM ET #86

    Bottom line is the Leafs took care of the following problems:

    1. Get rid of Toskala who was NOT going to be with the team next year anyways.
    2. Get a veteran to play in front of/with Gustavsson while he learns the North American game.
    3. Get rid of the poor play of Blake and that contract.

    Along with this, they added Phaneuf who is a tough dman that can get you 50+ points. His value was low thanks to his poor play so far this year and I'm shocked that everyone is throwing him under the bus already.

    Yes...they definitely have an even bigger issue up the middle now with Stajan gone but ya gotta assume that Burke is looking to the off-season free agent market.
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    Bottom line is the Leafs took care of the following problems:

    1. Get rid of Toskala who was NOT going to be with the team next year anyways.
    2. Get a veteran to play in front of/with Gustavsson while he learns the North American game.
    3. Get rid of the poor play of Blake and that contract.

    Along with this, they added Phaneuf who is a tough dman that can get you 50+ points. His value was low thanks to his poor play so far this year and I'm shocked that everyone is throwing him under the bus already.

    Yes...they definitely have an even bigger issue up the middle now with Stajan gone but ya gotta assume that Burke is looking to the off-season free agent market.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:45 PM ET #87

    The people who are putting this trade down are obviously Leaf haters. I don't have a problem with your opinion but you're a fool to believe the Leafs didn't rape the Flames in this trade. Phaneuf will regain his rookie form in due time and will finally bring leadership to a captain-less team. Giggy is the x-factor. Toskala will do very well in Anaheim but Blake is not the same guy who scored 40 in Long Island. I hated Blake from day 1, awful locker room presence. A change of scenery will do wonders for Giggy.

    Burke is a genius. Well done!
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    The people who are putting this trade down are obviously Leaf haters. I don't have a problem with your opinion but you're a fool to believe the Leafs didn't rape the Flames in this trade. Phaneuf will regain his rookie form in due time and will finally bring leadership to a captain-less team. Giggy is the x-factor. Toskala will do very well in Anaheim but Blake is not the same guy who scored 40 in Long Island. I hated Blake from day 1, awful locker room presence. A change of scenery will do wonders for Giggy.

    Burke is a genius. Well done!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:50 PM ET #88

    White's been a better player than Phaneuf over the past season and a half, but obviously you'd still rather have Phaneuf on your team in the long-term. You have to think he'll pick up his game at some point.

    I'm not a Burke fan, and I had a huge problem with the Kessel trade, but I think that this one's pretty good. The problem is that by trading away three of your top six forwards and getting none back in return, they've basically guaranteed a bottom two finish in the standings. It makes that first Kessel draft pick look really costly.

    Who are the number one and two centers now? Tyler Bozak and John Mitcheel?

     

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    White's been a better player than Phaneuf over the past season and a half, but obviously you'd still rather have Phaneuf on your team in the long-term. You have to think he'll pick up his game at some point.

    I'm not a Burke fan, and I had a huge problem with the Kessel trade, but I think that this one's pretty good. The problem is that by trading away three of your top six forwards and getting none back in return, they've basically guaranteed a bottom two finish in the standings. It makes that first Kessel draft pick look really costly.

    Who are the number one and two centers now? Tyler Bozak and John Mitcheel?

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:51 PM ET #89

    Remember leaf fans this is what burke said today

    ( We are still open for business. We are not done.)

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    Remember leaf fans this is what burke said today

    ( We are still open for business. We are not done.)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weekends:

    White's been a better player than Phaneuf over the past season and a half, but obviously you'd still rather have Phaneuf on your team in the long-term. You have to think he'll pick up his game at some point.

    I'm not a Burke fan, and I had a huge problem with the Kessel trade, but I think that this one's pretty good. The problem is that by trading away three of your top six forwards and getting none back in return, they've basically guaranteed a bottom two finish in the standings. It makes that first Kessel draft pick look really costly.

    Who are the number one and two centers now? Tyler Bozak and John Mitcheel?

     

    We will have a center soon thats what he will go for next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weekends:

    White's been a better player than Phaneuf over the past season and a half, but obviously you'd still rather have Phaneuf on your team in the long-term. You have to think he'll pick up his game at some point.

    I'm not a Burke fan, and I had a huge problem with the Kessel trade, but I think that this one's pretty good. The problem is that by trading away three of your top six forwards and getting none back in return, they've basically guaranteed a bottom two finish in the standings. It makes that first Kessel draft pick look really costly.

    Who are the number one and two centers now? Tyler Bozak and John Mitcheel?

     

    We will have a center soon thats what he will go for next.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 1:55 PM ET #91

    Quote Originally Posted by leafs4life:

    Remember leaf fans this is what burke said today

    ( We are still open for business. We are not done.)

    The only problem is that they dont have much more left to give up IMO.....if kaberle doesnt waive his NTC,what other valuable talent do they have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafs4life:

    Remember leaf fans this is what burke said today

    ( We are still open for business. We are not done.)

    The only problem is that they dont have much more left to give up IMO.....if kaberle doesnt waive his NTC,what other valuable talent do they have?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicb:

    The only problem is that they dont have much more left to give up IMO.....if kaberle doesnt waive his NTC,what other valuable talent do they have?

    Exactly. All that's left of any value is Ponikarovsky, and trading him for another forward wouldn't really get you anywhere. I don't think Beauchemin is movable, so the only option is to trade Kaberle and Burke said today that he was going to honour the no-trade clause.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicb:

    The only problem is that they dont have much more left to give up IMO.....if kaberle doesnt waive his NTC,what other valuable talent do they have?

    Exactly. All that's left of any value is Ponikarovsky, and trading him for another forward wouldn't really get you anywhere. I don't think Beauchemin is movable, so the only option is to trade Kaberle and Burke said today that he was going to honour the no-trade clause.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by leafs4life:

    Remember leaf fans this is what burke said today

    ( We are still open for business. We are not done.)

    unless they are willing to part ways with schenn, kadri or bozak. i really don't see what other assests of any value they have to move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafs4life:

    Remember leaf fans this is what burke said today

    ( We are still open for business. We are not done.)

    unless they are willing to part ways with schenn, kadri or bozak. i really don't see what other assests of any value they have to move.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 2:06 PM ET #94

    Don't forget with Phaneuf comes Elisha Cuthbert
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 2:18 PM ET #95

    It would have been nice to get a draft choice or 2 in these deals today. It is my understanding that the Leafs will pick around 90th overall in the upcoming draft. I guess Burke is sticking to his guns when he said this is a shitty draft other than a few elite players going early.

    I'm not sure what to think of these deals as of now but I do know this, the Leafs are very thin up front and THANK GOD THEY TRADED JASON BLAKE. Nothing I can think of that is harder to watch than Blake skating all over the ice and accomplishing nothing most of the time.

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    It would have been nice to get a draft choice or 2 in these deals today. It is my understanding that the Leafs will pick around 90th overall in the upcoming draft. I guess Burke is sticking to his guns when he said this is a shitty draft other than a few elite players going early.

    I'm not sure what to think of these deals as of now but I do know this, the Leafs are very thin up front and THANK GOD THEY TRADED JASON BLAKE. Nothing I can think of that is harder to watch than Blake skating all over the ice and accomplishing nothing most of the time.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 2:20 PM ET #96

    Quote Originally Posted by Silvershark:

    Don't forget with Phaneuf comes Elisha Cuthbert

    She's declining faster than Phaneuf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvershark:

    Don't forget with Phaneuf comes Elisha Cuthbert

    She's declining faster than Phaneuf.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2010 - 2:56 PM ET #97

    Quote Originally Posted by sean2114:

    it is confirmed

    hagman, white, mayers and stajan

    for

    phaneuf, auley and sjostrom



    As huge Flames fan I really like this trade for the Flames. Phaneuf is playing with no heart, and the whole yelling match with Sutter you could just sense something was not right.

    The most exciting thing about the trade though is freeing up some cap. Calgary needs a big name player to compliment Iggy. It's been a long time coming!


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    Quote Originally Posted by sean2114:

    it is confirmed

    hagman, white, mayers and stajan

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    phaneuf, auley and sjostrom



    As huge Flames fan I really like this trade for the Flames. Phaneuf is playing with no heart, and the whole yelling match with Sutter you could just sense something was not right.

    The most exciting thing about the trade though is freeing up some cap. Calgary needs a big name player to compliment Iggy. It's been a long time coming!


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackinaw:

    The people who are putting this trade down are obviously Leaf haters. I don't have a problem with your opinion but you're a fool to believe the Leafs didn't rape the Flames in this trade. Phaneuf will regain his rookie form in due time and will finally bring leadership to a captain-less team. Giggy is the x-factor. Toskala will do very well in Anaheim but Blake is not the same guy who scored 40 in Long Island. I hated Blake from day 1, awful locker room presence. A change of scenery will do wonders for Giggy.

    Burke is a genius. Well done!
    I won't deny I hate the Leafs and love watching being this bad each year but this statement is beyond words.  I like Phaneuf but playing in TO can't help him there will be more pressure on in TO them in Calgary.  Flames have a legit #1 goalie to make up for some of his and other D-Men mistakes Leafs dont.  As far as Giggy goes the change of scenery to a terrible defense team not sure how that will help him.  As far as the Leafs getting draft picks, not sure I would be wanting that if I was a fan of them they dont exactly have a great track record at recognizing talent.
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    The people who are putting this trade down are obviously Leaf haters. I don't have a problem with your opinion but you're a fool to believe the Leafs didn't rape the Flames in this trade. Phaneuf will regain his rookie form in due time and will finally bring leadership to a captain-less team. Giggy is the x-factor. Toskala will do very well in Anaheim but Blake is not the same guy who scored 40 in Long Island. I hated Blake from day 1, awful locker room presence. A change of scenery will do wonders for Giggy.

    Burke is a genius. Well done!
    I won't deny I hate the Leafs and love watching being this bad each year but this statement is beyond words.  I like Phaneuf but playing in TO can't help him there will be more pressure on in TO them in Calgary.  Flames have a legit #1 goalie to make up for some of his and other D-Men mistakes Leafs dont.  As far as Giggy goes the change of scenery to a terrible defense team not sure how that will help him.  As far as the Leafs getting draft picks, not sure I would be wanting that if I was a fan of them they dont exactly have a great track record at recognizing talent.
     
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    So basically, the Leafs are gonna be calling up a full line from the farm team this week?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weekends:

    She's declining faster than Phaneuf.

    Elisha is WELCOME in my bed anytime.
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    She's declining faster than Phaneuf.

    Elisha is WELCOME in my bed anytime.
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