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    Would you rather have Aaron Rodgers now or Peyton in his prime?

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    LETGOPACK1234
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 3:11 PM ET #51

    You can look at the numbers of say Wayne or Clark this year and say they are not as good because Manning made the pro-bowlers...but I mean come on

    Curtis Painter???  Really???  This guy is not a qb....Collins???  Dude was sitting on his couch weeks before the season....

    No good players would have good numbers with those qbs.....

    Look at Fitz?  He doesnt have the numbers this year....thats because Kolb sucks and Skelton is worse....are you saying Fitz was only good cause Warner???

    Great players like Wayne and Clark still need half a QB to throw the ball....

    Painter is a joke....

    Colts f'ed up not having a backup for Manning

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    You can look at the numbers of say Wayne or Clark this year and say they are not as good because Manning made the pro-bowlers...but I mean come on

    Curtis Painter???  Really???  This guy is not a qb....Collins???  Dude was sitting on his couch weeks before the season....

    No good players would have good numbers with those qbs.....

    Look at Fitz?  He doesnt have the numbers this year....thats because Kolb sucks and Skelton is worse....are you saying Fitz was only good cause Warner???

    Great players like Wayne and Clark still need half a QB to throw the ball....

    Painter is a joke....

    Colts f'ed up not having a backup for Manning

     
    MoneyShot
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 3:26 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:

    You can look at the numbers of say Wayne or Clark this year and say they are not as good because Manning made the pro-bowlers...but I mean come on

    Curtis Painter???  Really???  This guy is not a qb....Collins???  Dude was sitting on his couch weeks before the season....

    No good players would have good numbers with those qbs.....

    Look at Fitz?  He doesnt have the numbers this year....thats because Kolb sucks and Skelton is worse....are you saying Fitz was only good cause Warner???

    Great players like Wayne and Clark still need half a QB to throw the ball....

    Painter is a joke....

    Colts f'ed up not having a backup for Manning

    isnt fitz still putting up decent numbers while all colts players have taken major falls??   im asking because im not sure and i dont wanna look up the stats right now cause im hungover still lol.

    Any fantasy gurus here that have been following Fitzgerald, and the other colts players that can shed some light on their years stat wise??

    thanks in advnace..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:

    You can look at the numbers of say Wayne or Clark this year and say they are not as good because Manning made the pro-bowlers...but I mean come on

    Curtis Painter???  Really???  This guy is not a qb....Collins???  Dude was sitting on his couch weeks before the season....

    No good players would have good numbers with those qbs.....

    Look at Fitz?  He doesnt have the numbers this year....thats because Kolb sucks and Skelton is worse....are you saying Fitz was only good cause Warner???

    Great players like Wayne and Clark still need half a QB to throw the ball....

    Painter is a joke....

    Colts f'ed up not having a backup for Manning

    isnt fitz still putting up decent numbers while all colts players have taken major falls??   im asking because im not sure and i dont wanna look up the stats right now cause im hungover still lol.

    Any fantasy gurus here that have been following Fitzgerald, and the other colts players that can shed some light on their years stat wise??

    thanks in advnace..

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 3:38 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    isnt fitz still putting up decent numbers while all colts players have taken major falls??   im asking because im not sure and i dont wanna look up the stats right now cause im hungover still lol.

    Any fantasy gurus here that have been following Fitzgerald, and the other colts players that can shed some light on their years stat wise??

    thanks in advnace..

     

    Fitz is having a decent year, but NOWHERE close to what he has been doing years past....

    Even with how bad Kolb is, Kolb is 1000% times better than Painter....

    Im not saying Manning makes players much better than they are....but to say Wayne and Clark are only good cause Manning is a joke.  Painter is not, and could not ever be a QB...

    I watch many Indy games....balls are getting 3-bounced into wrs or missing by 5 yards...it has nothing to do with Wayne or Clark not being open...

    You cant catch a ball that is rolling or not within 5 yards of where you are

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    isnt fitz still putting up decent numbers while all colts players have taken major falls??   im asking because im not sure and i dont wanna look up the stats right now cause im hungover still lol.

    Any fantasy gurus here that have been following Fitzgerald, and the other colts players that can shed some light on their years stat wise??

    thanks in advnace..

     

    Fitz is having a decent year, but NOWHERE close to what he has been doing years past....

    Even with how bad Kolb is, Kolb is 1000% times better than Painter....

    Im not saying Manning makes players much better than they are....but to say Wayne and Clark are only good cause Manning is a joke.  Painter is not, and could not ever be a QB...

    I watch many Indy games....balls are getting 3-bounced into wrs or missing by 5 yards...it has nothing to do with Wayne or Clark not being open...

    You cant catch a ball that is rolling or not within 5 yards of where you are

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 3:40 PM ET #54

    I'd rather have 1 Tom Brady than 5 Aaron Rogers and 10 Paytons combined, no one has his eyes and brain...The best ever!
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    I'd rather have 1 Tom Brady than 5 Aaron Rogers and 10 Paytons combined, no one has his eyes and brain...The best ever!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 3:42 PM ET #55

    And Drew Brees way better than those 2 clowns, Rogers would be my 4th pick for a QB after the previous 2 and Big Ben...Payton wouldn't make the first 10.
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    And Drew Brees way better than those 2 clowns, Rogers would be my 4th pick for a QB after the previous 2 and Big Ben...Payton wouldn't make the first 10.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 4:36 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by XhuegoX:

    colts being so shitty this year shows that peyton IS the colts. that roster is horrible. not his fault they get exposed in the playoffs. peyton is better and it's not even close. 

    you guys think this packers team would go 0-16 without Rodgers? NO WAY 

    What a ridiculous blanket statement.  Colts have obviously been on the decline with Manning at QB.  10-6 record and out 1st round of the playoffs last year is hardly anything to write home about.  Colts are still a losing team with Manning at QB this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XhuegoX:

    colts being so shitty this year shows that peyton IS the colts. that roster is horrible. not his fault they get exposed in the playoffs. peyton is better and it's not even close. 

    you guys think this packers team would go 0-16 without Rodgers? NO WAY 

    What a ridiculous blanket statement.  Colts have obviously been on the decline with Manning at QB.  10-6 record and out 1st round of the playoffs last year is hardly anything to write home about.  Colts are still a losing team with Manning at QB this year.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 4:42 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    peyton makes guys look SOOOO much better than they actually are..   And just look at how great the colts are this year w/o manning, a lot of those guys were probowlers with manning there and now they look like scrubs..


    If your team is starting a QB that equates to a barely serviceable 3rd stringer your WRs are going to suffer.  Going from catching passes from one of the games best to that crappy of a QB isn't going to be great on the stats.  Add to the fact that Wayne's abilities are arguably on a decline (look at last years stats - when he was healthy they were nothing close to seasons past).

    I love the argument about better options.  Jennings vs Harrison = a wash.  Jordy vs Wayne = Wayne.  Finley vs Clark = i'll give it to Finley even though he is LARGELY unproven.  Do people really think Jordy Nelson - the teams top WR as of late - would be anything without a Rodgers/Brady/Manning/Brees throwing to him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

    peyton makes guys look SOOOO much better than they actually are..   And just look at how great the colts are this year w/o manning, a lot of those guys were probowlers with manning there and now they look like scrubs..


    If your team is starting a QB that equates to a barely serviceable 3rd stringer your WRs are going to suffer.  Going from catching passes from one of the games best to that crappy of a QB isn't going to be great on the stats.  Add to the fact that Wayne's abilities are arguably on a decline (look at last years stats - when he was healthy they were nothing close to seasons past).

    I love the argument about better options.  Jennings vs Harrison = a wash.  Jordy vs Wayne = Wayne.  Finley vs Clark = i'll give it to Finley even though he is LARGELY unproven.  Do people really think Jordy Nelson - the teams top WR as of late - would be anything without a Rodgers/Brady/Manning/Brees throwing to him?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 4:44 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by MrTuttle05:


    If your team is starting a QB that equates to a barely serviceable 3rd stringer your WRs are going to suffer.  Going from catching passes from one of the games best to that crappy of a QB isn't going to be great on the stats.  Add to the fact that Wayne's abilities are arguably on a decline (look at last years stats - when he was healthy they were nothing close to seasons past).

    I love the argument about better options.  Jennings vs Harrison = a wash.  Jordy vs Wayne = Wayne.  Finley vs Clark = i'll give it to Finley even though he is LARGELY unproven.  Do people really think Jordy Nelson - the teams top WR as of late - would be anything without a Rodgers/Brady/Manning/Brees throwing to him?

    Scratch that about Wayne's stats last year - actually had a good year yardage wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTuttle05:


    If your team is starting a QB that equates to a barely serviceable 3rd stringer your WRs are going to suffer.  Going from catching passes from one of the games best to that crappy of a QB isn't going to be great on the stats.  Add to the fact that Wayne's abilities are arguably on a decline (look at last years stats - when he was healthy they were nothing close to seasons past).

    I love the argument about better options.  Jennings vs Harrison = a wash.  Jordy vs Wayne = Wayne.  Finley vs Clark = i'll give it to Finley even though he is LARGELY unproven.  Do people really think Jordy Nelson - the teams top WR as of late - would be anything without a Rodgers/Brady/Manning/Brees throwing to him?

    Scratch that about Wayne's stats last year - actually had a good year yardage wise.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 5:00 PM ET #59

    Rodgers.

    They have same amount of titles and Peyton has about 10 more seasons under his belt.

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    Rodgers.

    They have same amount of titles and Peyton has about 10 more seasons under his belt.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 5:09 PM ET #60

    PEYTON in is prime.     
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    PEYTON in is prime.     
     
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    People sincerely need to calm down about Rodgers. Talk to me in 5 more years.

    Phillip Rivers, Daunte Culpepper, Carson Palmer (Seeing SOME resurgence now), Michael Vick, Aaron Brooks, Marc Bulger, and even Trent Green had an impressive 3-4 year stretch there. 

    Aaron Rodgers has not proven to me to be a great Quarterback yet. Not even close. Haven't seen the "Clutch Gene", haven't seen him play at this level for years, and not to mention has one of the best supporting casts (Offensively) in the league. You're high if you think he could do what he doesn't without the weapons he has. Not to mention is an arrogant douche, after proving nothing in that Superbowl win. Congrats to the Packers, but the Steelers played the worst game of the year then.

    He's a top 5 QB in this league. But barely. I'd rather have Manning, Brady, Brees, and Roethlisberger over him. Fact.

    Bring on the heat, douches with Rodgers on your fantasy team. I don't care if he's winning you your league. He won't be able to win the Packers shit in crunch time. He wasn't even there in first half vs the Lions. He was rattled, and nervous when that pass rush was on him. Suh goes out, and the Lions stop rushing him and he pulls away and goes back to being an overly cocky, arrogant douchebag.

    Gotta prove that you're something special, before you act like it.

    Gimmie Peyton in his prime all day, and a number of other QBs as well.
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    People sincerely need to calm down about Rodgers. Talk to me in 5 more years.

    Phillip Rivers, Daunte Culpepper, Carson Palmer (Seeing SOME resurgence now), Michael Vick, Aaron Brooks, Marc Bulger, and even Trent Green had an impressive 3-4 year stretch there. 

    Aaron Rodgers has not proven to me to be a great Quarterback yet. Not even close. Haven't seen the "Clutch Gene", haven't seen him play at this level for years, and not to mention has one of the best supporting casts (Offensively) in the league. You're high if you think he could do what he doesn't without the weapons he has. Not to mention is an arrogant douche, after proving nothing in that Superbowl win. Congrats to the Packers, but the Steelers played the worst game of the year then.

    He's a top 5 QB in this league. But barely. I'd rather have Manning, Brady, Brees, and Roethlisberger over him. Fact.

    Bring on the heat, douches with Rodgers on your fantasy team. I don't care if he's winning you your league. He won't be able to win the Packers shit in crunch time. He wasn't even there in first half vs the Lions. He was rattled, and nervous when that pass rush was on him. Suh goes out, and the Lions stop rushing him and he pulls away and goes back to being an overly cocky, arrogant douchebag.

    Gotta prove that you're something special, before you act like it.

    Gimmie Peyton in his prime all day, and a number of other QBs as well.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 7:24 PM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by Derrrty19:

    People sincerely need to calm down about Rodgers. Talk to me in 5 more years.

    Phillip Rivers, Daunte Culpepper, Carson Palmer (Seeing SOME resurgence now), Michael Vick, Aaron Brooks, Marc Bulger, and even Trent Green had an impressive 3-4 year stretch there. 

    Aaron Rodgers has not proven to me to be a great Quarterback yet. Not even close. Haven't seen the "Clutch Gene", haven't seen him play at this level for years, and not to mention has one of the best supporting casts (Offensively) in the league. You're high if you think he could do what he doesn't without the weapons he has. Not to mention is an arrogant douche, after proving nothing in that Superbowl win. Congrats to the Packers, but the Steelers played the worst game of the year then.

    He's a top 5 QB in this league. But barely. I'd rather have Manning, Brady, Brees, and Roethlisberger over him. Fact.

    Bring on the heat, douches with Rodgers on your fantasy team. I don't care if he's winning you your league. He won't be able to win the Packers shit in crunch time. He wasn't even there in first half vs the Lions. He was rattled, and nervous when that pass rush was on him. Suh goes out, and the Lions stop rushing him and he pulls away and goes back to being an overly cocky, arrogant douchebag.

    Gotta prove that you're something special, before you act like it.

    Gimmie Peyton in his prime all day, and a number of other QBs as well.

     

    Yeah, I guess beating the #3 seed, then #1 seed, then #1 seed ALL on the road last year in the playoffs was nothing and not coming through in the clutch

    Oh, then beat another #2 seed in the Championship

    You do realize the Packers had 7 points at half-time because they had 6 flags and 4 dropped passes correct???

    They had the ball for 10 minutes in the 1st half because of 3 drops on 3rd downs, and 3 flags that backed them up. 

    Once they stopped making mistakes and CATCHING the ball, game over.

    But, I guess you only look at one side of it.  He was 22-33 and GB had 5 drops all game.  27-33 for 360+ if they catch the ball.

    He sure was rattled

    Wont be able to win shit in crunch time...haha thats right.  4 Road wins last year in the playoffs

    They probably wont need crunch time anyways, no team will have the lead on them in the 4th quarter this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derrrty19:

    People sincerely need to calm down about Rodgers. Talk to me in 5 more years.

    Phillip Rivers, Daunte Culpepper, Carson Palmer (Seeing SOME resurgence now), Michael Vick, Aaron Brooks, Marc Bulger, and even Trent Green had an impressive 3-4 year stretch there. 

    Aaron Rodgers has not proven to me to be a great Quarterback yet. Not even close. Haven't seen the "Clutch Gene", haven't seen him play at this level for years, and not to mention has one of the best supporting casts (Offensively) in the league. You're high if you think he could do what he doesn't without the weapons he has. Not to mention is an arrogant douche, after proving nothing in that Superbowl win. Congrats to the Packers, but the Steelers played the worst game of the year then.

    He's a top 5 QB in this league. But barely. I'd rather have Manning, Brady, Brees, and Roethlisberger over him. Fact.

    Bring on the heat, douches with Rodgers on your fantasy team. I don't care if he's winning you your league. He won't be able to win the Packers shit in crunch time. He wasn't even there in first half vs the Lions. He was rattled, and nervous when that pass rush was on him. Suh goes out, and the Lions stop rushing him and he pulls away and goes back to being an overly cocky, arrogant douchebag.

    Gotta prove that you're something special, before you act like it.

    Gimmie Peyton in his prime all day, and a number of other QBs as well.

     

    Yeah, I guess beating the #3 seed, then #1 seed, then #1 seed ALL on the road last year in the playoffs was nothing and not coming through in the clutch

    Oh, then beat another #2 seed in the Championship

    You do realize the Packers had 7 points at half-time because they had 6 flags and 4 dropped passes correct???

    They had the ball for 10 minutes in the 1st half because of 3 drops on 3rd downs, and 3 flags that backed them up. 

    Once they stopped making mistakes and CATCHING the ball, game over.

    But, I guess you only look at one side of it.  He was 22-33 and GB had 5 drops all game.  27-33 for 360+ if they catch the ball.

    He sure was rattled

    Wont be able to win shit in crunch time...haha thats right.  4 Road wins last year in the playoffs

    They probably wont need crunch time anyways, no team will have the lead on them in the 4th quarter this year

     
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    Just another Packers fan dick riding Aaron Rodgers. Kid's a good QB, and having a great year. But saying you'd rather have him over Peyton Manning in his prime or even Tom Brady is asinine. Manning had NO help period. Aaron Rodgers has all the help in the world. 

    There's no reasoning with a Packers fan though, plain and simple. Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most. 

    At this point in time, he's not one of the great quarterbacks this game has seen, and that's that. Throw all the stats you want at me my man, you're not gonna impress me, or any rational football fan with only 2 good years. (2009 was a joke, and I'm not gonna hold 2008 against him).
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    Just another Packers fan dick riding Aaron Rodgers. Kid's a good QB, and having a great year. But saying you'd rather have him over Peyton Manning in his prime or even Tom Brady is asinine. Manning had NO help period. Aaron Rodgers has all the help in the world. 

    There's no reasoning with a Packers fan though, plain and simple. Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most. 

    At this point in time, he's not one of the great quarterbacks this game has seen, and that's that. Throw all the stats you want at me my man, you're not gonna impress me, or any rational football fan with only 2 good years. (2009 was a joke, and I'm not gonna hold 2008 against him).
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevedore:

    He wins a Super Bowl in his third year...



    what the fuck does this have to do with this debate?  it has nothing to do with this debate...

    it sounds to me like what you are saying is... i do not know enough about football or playing QB to assess their abilities with my eyes, or enough about the coaching aspect of the game to understand what makes Manning so different from all QB to ever play the game... so in light of my ignorance in these areas... could somebody tell me if Aaron Rodgers' "resume" makes him better than Peyton Manning...


    Rodgers won a Super Bowl in his 3rd year, because in his first year he was already playing on a playoff team with Super Bowl potential... Manning was drafted onto a 1-15 Colts team, and he started GAME FUCKING ONE!!!


    HOW THE HELL CAN YOU COMPARE THOSE TWO SITUATIONS???



    man i hate how stupid people on this site are... i really do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevedore:

    He wins a Super Bowl in his third year...



    what the fuck does this have to do with this debate?  it has nothing to do with this debate...

    it sounds to me like what you are saying is... i do not know enough about football or playing QB to assess their abilities with my eyes, or enough about the coaching aspect of the game to understand what makes Manning so different from all QB to ever play the game... so in light of my ignorance in these areas... could somebody tell me if Aaron Rodgers' "resume" makes him better than Peyton Manning...


    Rodgers won a Super Bowl in his 3rd year, because in his first year he was already playing on a playoff team with Super Bowl potential... Manning was drafted onto a 1-15 Colts team, and he started GAME FUCKING ONE!!!


    HOW THE HELL CAN YOU COMPARE THOSE TWO SITUATIONS???



    man i hate how stupid people on this site are... i really do!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derrrty19:

    Just another Packers fan dick riding Aaron Rodgers. Kid's a good QB, and having a great year. But saying you'd rather have him over Peyton Manning in his prime or even Tom Brady is asinine. Manning had NO help period. Aaron Rodgers has all the help in the world. 

    There's no reasoning with a Packers fan though, plain and simple. Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most. 

    At this point in time, he's not one of the great quarterbacks this game has seen, and that's that. Throw all the stats you want at me my man, you're not gonna impress me, or any rational football fan with only 2 good years. (2009 was a joke, and I'm not gonna hold 2008 against him).
     
     

     

     

    Yeah, Manning had no weapons. Harrison was terrible, Clark sucks. Wayne is garbage. Edge is garbage.
     
     
     
    Imagine if Rodgers had a running game or runningback
    Explain to me what a QB has to do more than win FOUR ROAD PLAYOFF GAMES???? PLEASE DO?????
     
    Manning has (Im not looking it up) but I believe FIVE HOME PLAYOFF losses!!!!  Is that coming through in the clutch?????
     
    WINNING FOUR PLAYOFF GAMES ON THE ROAD IN A ROW IS CLUTCH
     
    If you want to argue that, you are a moron.
     
     
     
     
    "Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most."
     
    That is what you said.  Please tell me when a team needs their QB most??? 
     
    IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rodgers is 4-1, all on the ROAD....the game he lost they scored 45 points...
     
    Manning in 9-10 in the playoffs...thats CLUTCH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derrrty19:

    Just another Packers fan dick riding Aaron Rodgers. Kid's a good QB, and having a great year. But saying you'd rather have him over Peyton Manning in his prime or even Tom Brady is asinine. Manning had NO help period. Aaron Rodgers has all the help in the world. 

    There's no reasoning with a Packers fan though, plain and simple. Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most. 

    At this point in time, he's not one of the great quarterbacks this game has seen, and that's that. Throw all the stats you want at me my man, you're not gonna impress me, or any rational football fan with only 2 good years. (2009 was a joke, and I'm not gonna hold 2008 against him).
     
     

     

     

    Yeah, Manning had no weapons. Harrison was terrible, Clark sucks. Wayne is garbage. Edge is garbage.
     
     
     
    Imagine if Rodgers had a running game or runningback
    Explain to me what a QB has to do more than win FOUR ROAD PLAYOFF GAMES???? PLEASE DO?????
     
    Manning has (Im not looking it up) but I believe FIVE HOME PLAYOFF losses!!!!  Is that coming through in the clutch?????
     
    WINNING FOUR PLAYOFF GAMES ON THE ROAD IN A ROW IS CLUTCH
     
    If you want to argue that, you are a moron.
     
     
     
     
    "Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most."
     
    That is what you said.  Please tell me when a team needs their QB most??? 
     
    IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rodgers is 4-1, all on the ROAD....the game he lost they scored 45 points...
     
    Manning in 9-10 in the playoffs...thats CLUTCH
     
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    BOTTOM LINE FOR SOME OF YOU CLUELESS FUCKS!



    1) if you go by the criterion of Super Bowl wins (which is totally absurd, OF COURSE!)... then that means Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino... anybody who uses this argument is brain dead and can fuck right off the earth, as far as i'm concerned...

    2) go ask any QB or coach that is in the Hall of Fame right now this same question... YOU WILL NOT GET ONE PERSON SAYING AARON RODGERS IS BETTER THAN MANNING RIGHT NOW... not ONE!!!


    i promise you!  not one person among the greatest QBs and coaches of all time would give you a yes on that... that's a given!  so how do you guys think you know more than them?
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    BOTTOM LINE FOR SOME OF YOU CLUELESS FUCKS!



    1) if you go by the criterion of Super Bowl wins (which is totally absurd, OF COURSE!)... then that means Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino... anybody who uses this argument is brain dead and can fuck right off the earth, as far as i'm concerned...

    2) go ask any QB or coach that is in the Hall of Fame right now this same question... YOU WILL NOT GET ONE PERSON SAYING AARON RODGERS IS BETTER THAN MANNING RIGHT NOW... not ONE!!!


    i promise you!  not one person among the greatest QBs and coaches of all time would give you a yes on that... that's a given!  so how do you guys think you know more than them?
     
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    LetsGoPack... i have officially lost any respect i might have had for you...



    you're just another fan on this site...


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    LetsGoPack... i have officially lost any respect i might have had for you...



    you're just another fan on this site...


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derrrty19:

    Just another Packers fan dick riding Aaron Rodgers. Kid's a good QB, and having a great year. But saying you'd rather have him over Peyton Manning in his prime or even Tom Brady is asinine. Manning had NO help period. Aaron Rodgers has all the help in the world. 

    There's no reasoning with a Packers fan though, plain and simple. Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most. 

    At this point in time, he's not one of the great quarterbacks this game has seen, and that's that. Throw all the stats you want at me my man, you're not gonna impress me, or any rational football fan with only 2 good years. (2009 was a joke, and I'm not gonna hold 2008 against him).

    You just made the case for Aaron Rodgers:

    Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most.
    (Peyton Manning 7-8 career playoff record????)

    Manning had NO help period. 
    (Edgerrin James, Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, and Marvin Harrison are consider NO help????).

    Aaron Roders as earlier stated beat the top 3 seeds in the NFC last year (on the road) and the AFC #1 seed in the Super Bowl. Winning 16 consecutive games in the NFL to date I guess is unimpressive as well.

    If none of that impresses you, you just have a closed mind and aren't open to the facts of the discussion and please don't consider yourself a "rational" fan if you dismiss Aaron Rodgers that easily among todays greats and potentially among the greatest.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Derrrty19:

    Just another Packers fan dick riding Aaron Rodgers. Kid's a good QB, and having a great year. But saying you'd rather have him over Peyton Manning in his prime or even Tom Brady is asinine. Manning had NO help period. Aaron Rodgers has all the help in the world. 

    There's no reasoning with a Packers fan though, plain and simple. Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most. 

    At this point in time, he's not one of the great quarterbacks this game has seen, and that's that. Throw all the stats you want at me my man, you're not gonna impress me, or any rational football fan with only 2 good years. (2009 was a joke, and I'm not gonna hold 2008 against him).

    You just made the case for Aaron Rodgers:

    Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most.
    (Peyton Manning 7-8 career playoff record????)

    Manning had NO help period. 
    (Edgerrin James, Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, and Marvin Harrison are consider NO help????).

    Aaron Roders as earlier stated beat the top 3 seeds in the NFC last year (on the road) and the AFC #1 seed in the Super Bowl. Winning 16 consecutive games in the NFL to date I guess is unimpressive as well.

    If none of that impresses you, you just have a closed mind and aren't open to the facts of the discussion and please don't consider yourself a "rational" fan if you dismiss Aaron Rodgers that easily among todays greats and potentially among the greatest.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:

     

     

    Yeah, Manning had no weapons. Harrison was terrible, Clark sucks. Wayne is garbage. Edge is garbage.
     

     
    Imagine if Rodgers had a running game or runningback
    Explain to me what a QB has to do more than win FOUR ROAD PLAYOFF GAMES???? PLEASE DO?????
     
    Manning has (Im not looking it up) but I believe FIVE HOME PLAYOFF losses!!!!  Is that coming through in the clutch?????
     
    WINNING FOUR PLAYOFF GAMES ON THE ROAD IN A ROW IS CLUTCH
     
    If you want to argue that, you are a moron.
     
     
     
     
    "Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most."
     
    That is what you said.  Please tell me when a team needs their QB most??? 
     
    IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rodgers is 4-1, all on the ROAD....the game he lost they scored 45 points...
     
    Manning in 9-10 in the playoffs...thats CLUTCH

    Please. Are you telling me that if Aaron Rodgers goes out in pre-season this team would be winless at this point in the year? No, they'd still be a playoff team.

    And yeah, I am saying Manning's cast was overrated. Not Harrison. Guy's a great WR. But look at Reggie Wayne/Dallas Clark/Austin Collie. Reggie was considered a top 10 WR the entire time. He finally doesn't have Peyton, and he's barely top 50. A great WR or playmaker would still be able to produce with a half ass QB. And Manning had even less of a running game. Addai/Rhodes was terrible. Brady has no one other than Gronkowski. Deion Branch and Wes Welker are not 1 and 2 recievers. Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Jermichael Finley, Greg Jennings, and even James Jones are all good players who could produce elsewhere.

    I'm admitting the Packers are truly one of the top 5 teams in the league, and Rodgers is a good QB. You're the moron for defending him saying he's better than 2 of the best QBs of all time. And you know why they're considered 2 of the best? Because they've been great for more than 2 damn years, you moron. If Aaron Rodgers is still playing at this level in 5 years, then the argument COULD be open. But for now, it's not. And only an ignorant Packers fan would think it is. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:

     

     

    Yeah, Manning had no weapons. Harrison was terrible, Clark sucks. Wayne is garbage. Edge is garbage.
     

     
    Imagine if Rodgers had a running game or runningback
    Explain to me what a QB has to do more than win FOUR ROAD PLAYOFF GAMES???? PLEASE DO?????
     
    Manning has (Im not looking it up) but I believe FIVE HOME PLAYOFF losses!!!!  Is that coming through in the clutch?????
     
    WINNING FOUR PLAYOFF GAMES ON THE ROAD IN A ROW IS CLUTCH
     
    If you want to argue that, you are a moron.
     
     
     
     
    "Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most."
     
    That is what you said.  Please tell me when a team needs their QB most??? 
     
    IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rodgers is 4-1, all on the ROAD....the game he lost they scored 45 points...
     
    Manning in 9-10 in the playoffs...thats CLUTCH

    Please. Are you telling me that if Aaron Rodgers goes out in pre-season this team would be winless at this point in the year? No, they'd still be a playoff team.

    And yeah, I am saying Manning's cast was overrated. Not Harrison. Guy's a great WR. But look at Reggie Wayne/Dallas Clark/Austin Collie. Reggie was considered a top 10 WR the entire time. He finally doesn't have Peyton, and he's barely top 50. A great WR or playmaker would still be able to produce with a half ass QB. And Manning had even less of a running game. Addai/Rhodes was terrible. Brady has no one other than Gronkowski. Deion Branch and Wes Welker are not 1 and 2 recievers. Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Jermichael Finley, Greg Jennings, and even James Jones are all good players who could produce elsewhere.

    I'm admitting the Packers are truly one of the top 5 teams in the league, and Rodgers is a good QB. You're the moron for defending him saying he's better than 2 of the best QBs of all time. And you know why they're considered 2 of the best? Because they've been great for more than 2 damn years, you moron. If Aaron Rodgers is still playing at this level in 5 years, then the argument COULD be open. But for now, it's not. And only an ignorant Packers fan would think it is. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 8:17 PM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

    BOTTOM LINE FOR SOME OF YOU CLUELESS FUCKS!



    1) if you go by the criterion of Super Bowl wins (which is totally absurd, OF COURSE!)... then that means Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino... anybody who uses this argument is brain dead and can fuck right off the earth, as far as i'm concerned...

    2) go ask any QB or coach that is in the Hall of Fame right now this same question... YOU WILL NOT GET ONE PERSON SAYING AARON RODGERS IS BETTER THAN MANNING RIGHT NOW... not ONE!!!


    i promise you!  not one person among the greatest QBs and coaches of all time would give you a yes on that... that's a given!  so how do you guys think you know more than them?

     

     

    Who says your opinion is right???

    Who said superbowl is comparison for which is better????

    But, you can look at playoff and superbowl records to help the argument.

    The question was who would you rather have.  People have their answers.

    Why cant you look at stats??

    If someone says who would you rather have to lead a comeback with 2 minutes left and you can pick QB A or QB B....

    QB A has 9 comeback victories and QB B has 0....who would you pick????

     

    People say Rodgers is still young and bla bla bla,

     

    I explained why I would rather have Rodgers.  I am not even saying Rodgers is better, but if I had to pick I would take Rodgers.

    If you football brains actually want to come on here and say Manning had NO weapons that is a fricken joke.

    Harrison is one of the best wr of all-time.  Wayne was his #2 wr for years, HIS NUMBER 2.  Oh, and he had a great runningback with James and a great tight-end with Clark.  So, to say Manning had no weapons is a joke.

    To say Manning is clutch and Rodger isnt, doesnt make sense.  I dont consider a 9-10 playoff QB clutch.  If Im wrong thats fine.  But, that isnt clutch to me.

    Rodgers is 4-1 in the playoffs, all on the road.  If that isnt clutch, I dont know what clutch is. 

    You say stats dont matter, but some do.

    As GREAT as Manning has been, has he ever completed 73% of passes in 1 season??  No, he hasnt even had 68%. 

    He played half his games in a dome under perfect weather.  Against a weaker division. 

    Rodgers plays atleast 20% of his games in weather colder than freezing with snow. 

    I never said Rodgers was better, but they way he is playing right now has never be seen.

    Another reason, why I Rodgers, is because Manning cant move back there. 

    Rodgers has had, and will have many more big 1st downs or TD runs. 

    The number arent there yet, and the years arent there yet, but if he continues to play this way for the next 4-5 years, he will go down as being better than Manning.

    If you dont agree thats fine.  Who cares.  There is not a correct answer.  Atleast not yet.

    But, to say you cant look at stats thats a joke. 

    If I want a clutch QB, I want someone who wins in the playoffs, not in the regular season.  9-10 in the playoffs is NOT CLUTCH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

    BOTTOM LINE FOR SOME OF YOU CLUELESS FUCKS!



    1) if you go by the criterion of Super Bowl wins (which is totally absurd, OF COURSE!)... then that means Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino... anybody who uses this argument is brain dead and can fuck right off the earth, as far as i'm concerned...

    2) go ask any QB or coach that is in the Hall of Fame right now this same question... YOU WILL NOT GET ONE PERSON SAYING AARON RODGERS IS BETTER THAN MANNING RIGHT NOW... not ONE!!!


    i promise you!  not one person among the greatest QBs and coaches of all time would give you a yes on that... that's a given!  so how do you guys think you know more than them?

     

     

    Who says your opinion is right???

    Who said superbowl is comparison for which is better????

    But, you can look at playoff and superbowl records to help the argument.

    The question was who would you rather have.  People have their answers.

    Why cant you look at stats??

    If someone says who would you rather have to lead a comeback with 2 minutes left and you can pick QB A or QB B....

    QB A has 9 comeback victories and QB B has 0....who would you pick????

     

    People say Rodgers is still young and bla bla bla,

     

    I explained why I would rather have Rodgers.  I am not even saying Rodgers is better, but if I had to pick I would take Rodgers.

    If you football brains actually want to come on here and say Manning had NO weapons that is a fricken joke.

    Harrison is one of the best wr of all-time.  Wayne was his #2 wr for years, HIS NUMBER 2.  Oh, and he had a great runningback with James and a great tight-end with Clark.  So, to say Manning had no weapons is a joke.

    To say Manning is clutch and Rodger isnt, doesnt make sense.  I dont consider a 9-10 playoff QB clutch.  If Im wrong thats fine.  But, that isnt clutch to me.

    Rodgers is 4-1 in the playoffs, all on the road.  If that isnt clutch, I dont know what clutch is. 

    You say stats dont matter, but some do.

    As GREAT as Manning has been, has he ever completed 73% of passes in 1 season??  No, he hasnt even had 68%. 

    He played half his games in a dome under perfect weather.  Against a weaker division. 

    Rodgers plays atleast 20% of his games in weather colder than freezing with snow. 

    I never said Rodgers was better, but they way he is playing right now has never be seen.

    Another reason, why I Rodgers, is because Manning cant move back there. 

    Rodgers has had, and will have many more big 1st downs or TD runs. 

    The number arent there yet, and the years arent there yet, but if he continues to play this way for the next 4-5 years, he will go down as being better than Manning.

    If you dont agree thats fine.  Who cares.  There is not a correct answer.  Atleast not yet.

    But, to say you cant look at stats thats a joke. 

    If I want a clutch QB, I want someone who wins in the playoffs, not in the regular season.  9-10 in the playoffs is NOT CLUTCH

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derrrty19:


    Please. Are you telling me that if Aaron Rodgers goes out in pre-season this team would be winless at this point in the year? No, they'd still be a playoff team.

    And yeah, I am saying Manning's cast was overrated. Not Harrison. Guy's a great WR. But look at Reggie Wayne/Dallas Clark/Austin Collie. Reggie was considered a top 10 WR the entire time. He finally doesn't have Peyton, and he's barely top 50. A great WR or playmaker would still be able to produce with a half ass QB. And Manning had even less of a running game. Addai/Rhodes was terrible. Brady has no one other than Gronkowski. Deion Branch and Wes Welker are not 1 and 2 recievers. Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Jermichael Finley, Greg Jennings, and even James Jones are all good players who could produce elsewhere.

    I'm admitting the Packers are truly one of the top 5 teams in the league, and Rodgers is a good QB. You're the moron for defending him saying he's better than 2 of the best QBs of all time. And you know why they're considered 2 of the best? Because they've been great for more than 2 damn years, you moron. If Aaron Rodgers is still playing at this level in 5 years, then the argument COULD be open. But for now, it's not. And only an ignorant Packers fan would think it is. 

     

     

    Wow, I cant even believe what you are saying.

    Reggie Wayne and Clark are having down years ALL becuase MANNING???

    No, its because they have Curtis fuckign Painter throwing the ball.  Dude cant make an open pass. 

    Wayne and Clark are running the exact same routes, but now the ball is bouncing to them or 10 yards over their head.  Is that their fault??? NO, Painted isnt a QB.  Wayne and Clark would be a pro-bowler on every other team in the league but maybe 3. 

     

    How was Larry Fitz doing with Kolb at QB????  He was having his WORST year EVER....So Fitz is only good with Warner???  No, you need a guy who can throw the ball.  Painter or Collins dont qualify for that. 

     

    You think Driver and Jones could produce everywhere???  Wow, man.  Have you ever heard of Jordy Nelson or James Jones prior to Rodgers at QB??  Quick, where did they go to college??  You have no idea. 

    If im such a homer why would I claim I would rather have had the combo of Harrison, Wayne, Clark and James????

     

    You dont even make sense in your posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derrrty19:


    Please. Are you telling me that if Aaron Rodgers goes out in pre-season this team would be winless at this point in the year? No, they'd still be a playoff team.

    And yeah, I am saying Manning's cast was overrated. Not Harrison. Guy's a great WR. But look at Reggie Wayne/Dallas Clark/Austin Collie. Reggie was considered a top 10 WR the entire time. He finally doesn't have Peyton, and he's barely top 50. A great WR or playmaker would still be able to produce with a half ass QB. And Manning had even less of a running game. Addai/Rhodes was terrible. Brady has no one other than Gronkowski. Deion Branch and Wes Welker are not 1 and 2 recievers. Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Jermichael Finley, Greg Jennings, and even James Jones are all good players who could produce elsewhere.

    I'm admitting the Packers are truly one of the top 5 teams in the league, and Rodgers is a good QB. You're the moron for defending him saying he's better than 2 of the best QBs of all time. And you know why they're considered 2 of the best? Because they've been great for more than 2 damn years, you moron. If Aaron Rodgers is still playing at this level in 5 years, then the argument COULD be open. But for now, it's not. And only an ignorant Packers fan would think it is. 

     

     

    Wow, I cant even believe what you are saying.

    Reggie Wayne and Clark are having down years ALL becuase MANNING???

    No, its because they have Curtis fuckign Painter throwing the ball.  Dude cant make an open pass. 

    Wayne and Clark are running the exact same routes, but now the ball is bouncing to them or 10 yards over their head.  Is that their fault??? NO, Painted isnt a QB.  Wayne and Clark would be a pro-bowler on every other team in the league but maybe 3. 

     

    How was Larry Fitz doing with Kolb at QB????  He was having his WORST year EVER....So Fitz is only good with Warner???  No, you need a guy who can throw the ball.  Painter or Collins dont qualify for that. 

     

    You think Driver and Jones could produce everywhere???  Wow, man.  Have you ever heard of Jordy Nelson or James Jones prior to Rodgers at QB??  Quick, where did they go to college??  You have no idea. 

    If im such a homer why would I claim I would rather have had the combo of Harrison, Wayne, Clark and James????

     

    You dont even make sense in your posts

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 8:27 PM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    You just made the case for Aaron Rodgers:

    Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most.
    (Peyton Manning 7-8 career playoff record????)

    Manning had NO help period. 
    (Edgerrin James, Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, and Marvin Harrison are consider NO help????).

    Aaron Roders as earlier stated beat the top 3 seeds in the NFC last year (on the road) and the AFC #1 seed in the Super Bowl. Winning 16 consecutive games in the NFL to date I guess is unimpressive as well.

    If none of that impresses you, you just have a closed mind and aren't open to the facts of the discussion and please don't consider yourself a "rational" fan if you dismiss Aaron Rodgers that easily among todays greats and potentially among the greatest.



     

     

    Exactly, beating the #3 seed, #1 seed, then #2 seed in the NFC on the road isnt clutch.  Then, beating the top AFC seed. 

    What a joke you guys are. 

    When did Manning do that???  Oh, wait HE NEVER DID.

    He was losing HOME PLAYOFF games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:


    You just made the case for Aaron Rodgers:

    Great QBs lead their teams to victory when they need it most.
    (Peyton Manning 7-8 career playoff record????)

    Manning had NO help period. 
    (Edgerrin James, Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, and Marvin Harrison are consider NO help????).

    Aaron Roders as earlier stated beat the top 3 seeds in the NFC last year (on the road) and the AFC #1 seed in the Super Bowl. Winning 16 consecutive games in the NFL to date I guess is unimpressive as well.

    If none of that impresses you, you just have a closed mind and aren't open to the facts of the discussion and please don't consider yourself a "rational" fan if you dismiss Aaron Rodgers that easily among todays greats and potentially among the greatest.



     

     

    Exactly, beating the #3 seed, #1 seed, then #2 seed in the NFC on the road isnt clutch.  Then, beating the top AFC seed. 

    What a joke you guys are. 

    When did Manning do that???  Oh, wait HE NEVER DID.

    He was losing HOME PLAYOFF games

     
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    and in response to that lengthy argument of yours... i say...


    i have watched both of them play many many many many times... enough to know exactly how good both of them are!

    and Manning, in his prime, is on a different level than Rodgers... but that isn't to say that Rodgers can't reach that level, too... but right now, no!  no no no!

    you can't QUANTIFY the things Manning does on the field, and how important that is to his team... NONE of that shows up on a stat sheet... and Peyton Manning has NEVER played on a TEAM that is even close to having as much talent as this Packers team does...


    you can't compare apples and oranges unless you are going to establish what it is that makes apples and oranges different, and then measure them based on an understanding of those differences...


    in this case... you don't understand the difference between an apple and an orange... simple as that!


    but you shouldn't care because your team is probably going to win another Super Bowl... so just try to enjoy it, and try (a little harder) not to be a dickhead about it... far too many dickhead fans in this country already...


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    and in response to that lengthy argument of yours... i say...


    i have watched both of them play many many many many times... enough to know exactly how good both of them are!

    and Manning, in his prime, is on a different level than Rodgers... but that isn't to say that Rodgers can't reach that level, too... but right now, no!  no no no!

    you can't QUANTIFY the things Manning does on the field, and how important that is to his team... NONE of that shows up on a stat sheet... and Peyton Manning has NEVER played on a TEAM that is even close to having as much talent as this Packers team does...


    you can't compare apples and oranges unless you are going to establish what it is that makes apples and oranges different, and then measure them based on an understanding of those differences...


    in this case... you don't understand the difference between an apple and an orange... simple as that!


    but you shouldn't care because your team is probably going to win another Super Bowl... so just try to enjoy it, and try (a little harder) not to be a dickhead about it... far too many dickhead fans in this country already...


     
    Derrrty19
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    You're clearly biased, my man. Please stop before you make yourself look any dumber. Kid's good, but no Manning or Brady. Manning has carried his team for over ten years. Brady has taken his team on his back when they needed it most. He hasn't proved he can do it all on his own, and that's that. Aaron Rodgers hasn't even had the opportunity to yet. He'll get his chances eventually, and we'll see then. Until then, he isn't better than either of the two.

    If you're using the rings argument to say him and Manning are on the same level, then you still lose that one. Manning IS the Indianapolis Colts. He won that Superbowl single-handed. Green Bay was the best team last year by far. All Aaron had to do to win was not fuck it up. He didn't have to will his team to victory. They could've won with any of the top 10 QBs in the league.
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    You're clearly biased, my man. Please stop before you make yourself look any dumber. Kid's good, but no Manning or Brady. Manning has carried his team for over ten years. Brady has taken his team on his back when they needed it most. He hasn't proved he can do it all on his own, and that's that. Aaron Rodgers hasn't even had the opportunity to yet. He'll get his chances eventually, and we'll see then. Until then, he isn't better than either of the two.

    If you're using the rings argument to say him and Manning are on the same level, then you still lose that one. Manning IS the Indianapolis Colts. He won that Superbowl single-handed. Green Bay was the best team last year by far. All Aaron had to do to win was not fuck it up. He didn't have to will his team to victory. They could've won with any of the top 10 QBs in the league.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2011 - 8:35 PM ET #75

    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

    and in response to that lengthy argument of yours... i say...


    i have watched both of them play many many many many times... enough to know exactly how good both of them are!

    and Manning, in his prime, is on a different level than Rodgers... but that isn't to say that Rodgers can't reach that level, too... but right now, no!  no no no!

    you can't QUANTIFY the things Manning does on the field, and how important that is to his team... NONE of that shows up on a stat sheet... and Peyton Manning has NEVER played on a TEAM that is even close to having as much talent as this Packers team does...


    you can't compare apples and oranges unless you are going to establish what it is that makes apples and oranges different, and then measure them based on an understanding of those differences...


    in this case... you don't understand the difference between an apple and an orange... simple as that!


    but you shouldn't care because your team is probably going to win another Super Bowl... so just try to enjoy it, and try (a little harder) not to be a dickhead about it... far too many dickhead fans in this country already...



    Exactly. I'm saying the Packers are a great team, and Aaron Rodgers is a good QB. But you don't compare him to Manning and even Brady because he's having a good year.

    Like I said, talk to me in 5 years. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice4Blood:

    and in response to that lengthy argument of yours... i say...


    i have watched both of them play many many many many times... enough to know exactly how good both of them are!

    and Manning, in his prime, is on a different level than Rodgers... but that isn't to say that Rodgers can't reach that level, too... but right now, no!  no no no!

    you can't QUANTIFY the things Manning does on the field, and how important that is to his team... NONE of that shows up on a stat sheet... and Peyton Manning has NEVER played on a TEAM that is even close to having as much talent as this Packers team does...


    you can't compare apples and oranges unless you are going to establish what it is that makes apples and oranges different, and then measure them based on an understanding of those differences...


    in this case... you don't understand the difference between an apple and an orange... simple as that!


    but you shouldn't care because your team is probably going to win another Super Bowl... so just try to enjoy it, and try (a little harder) not to be a dickhead about it... far too many dickhead fans in this country already...



    Exactly. I'm saying the Packers are a great team, and Aaron Rodgers is a good QB. But you don't compare him to Manning and even Brady because he's having a good year.

    Like I said, talk to me in 5 years. 
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