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Tim Tebow is now 3-1 as a starter

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Pick-Six

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 1:43 PM ET #101

He is a flash in the pan. Just like the wildcat was. I have nothing against him. He's actually made me a lot of money this year but I don't think we'll be talking about Tebow this time next year.

TA63

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 3:29 PM ET #102

Pretty easy to have a nice ratio like that when all you do is hand the ball off.

StraightShooter

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 5:39 PM ET #103

Quote Originally Posted by TA63:

Pretty easy to have a nice ratio like that when all you do is hand the ball off.

Sanchez is averaging 1 turnover every 29 times he passes or runs the ball.

Tebow is averaging 1 turnover every 153 times he passes or runs the ball.

TA63

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 6:01 PM ET #104

Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

Sanchez is averaging 1 turnover every 29 times he passes or runs the ball.

Tebow is averaging 1 turnover every 153 times he passes or runs the ball.

Yep, becase he seldom throws the ball. Im not saying Sanchez is great. He is better than Tebow.

thawv

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 6:03 PM ET #105

They're 3-1 in spite of him. Not because of him.

evilelvis

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 6:52 PM ET #106

Denver moneyline with Tebow!

thawv

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 7:06 PM ET #107

Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

That’s the point I’m trying to make.

I’m not saying Tebow is a good QB or that he is going to have a good career or even that he’ll do well the rest of the reason. Just that what he has done so far is pretty impressive. I.E. taking over a bad 1-4 team and going 3-1 (being a dog in all of them) with a 3-0 road record.

Also having a TD/turnover ratio of 9:1 is, regardless of how he got it, impressive as well. In fact the only NFL QB with a better ratio than that is Aaron Rodgers.

If you even think for one minute that Tebow is even as good as average, you must not know much about the game my friend.

StraightShooter

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 7:33 PM ET #108

Quote Originally Posted by TA63:

Yep, becase he seldom throws the ball. Im not saying Sanchez is great. He is better than Tebow.

Sanchez only has about twice as many passes/runs yet he has 10 times more turnovers than Tebow.

StraightShooter

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 7:36 PM ET #109

Quote Originally Posted by thawv:

If you even think for one minute that Tebow is even as good as average, you must not know much about the game my friend.

Point out where in that post I said Tebow was even as good as average.

anna31204

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 8:27 PM ET #110

Not a lover or a hater ... just think the guy presents problems for Defenses ... with that offense he could go 4-11 passing, have no turnovers, 2 TD's passing and 1 rushing ... and win against 60% of the teams in the nfl ... if they had a healthy running back it would be even higher ... that's this year of course, Defenses will figure it out by next year and Tebo will have to become a much better QB to last/be successful long term ... but for right now, i say he's a live dawg that gives you an angle ...

Great thread SS !!!

BOL

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 8:36 PM ET #111

Let me ask a question, who do you guys think is better and gives you a better chance to win . . . Tebow or Rivers???

ShadowWarrior

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 10:28 PM ET #112

Jets could not stop Brady and those tight-ends, mainly Gronk! I think they can stop Denver's run game as there will be no threat of the pass. someone earlier said Tebow compared to Sanchez, Tebow is better but Sanchez took Jets to two AFC championships in his first two years. Not even Tim will do that. I think Jets win but after that crushing defeat and short week and playing in altitude, maybe it will be a Denver win. I still think Jets are the better team, better teams usually win.

StraightShooter

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Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 10:28 PM ET #113

Quote Originally Posted by HugoBossNYC:

Let me ask a question, who do you guys think is better and gives you a better chance to win . . . Tebow or Rivers???

Jetjeff12

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 2:18 AM ET #114

I think Tebow has 2 turnovers, a fumble and an INT, both against the Lions. Only 2 turnovers in 4 games is still good, but he has been sacked this season more then any other QB. (per pass attempt) 14 times in 105 attempts

haithuy

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 2:29 AM ET #115

dude, you must be in love with Timmy.

JSCapper12

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 3:13 AM ET #116

YEAH BET DENVER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS YOU"LL BE BURNING

einyx

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 3:50 AM ET #117

Hilarious how people keep bringing up the fact that Tebow isn't completing a lot of passes. They have changed the offense so he doesn't HAVE to throw the ball. I don't see anything wrong with ball control offense and grinding out yards on the ground so that your poor defense doesn't have to be out on the field. Also, there are less chances of a turnover because Denver isn't throwing it at all. Remember, a punt in the NFL is not bad at all and Denver has changed their game plan so that they can at least stay in games because they shorten the game so much with their style of play. IMO more teams need to play to the strength of their team like NE and Denver.

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 3:55 AM ET #118

Quote Originally Posted by TA63:

Yep, becase he seldom throws the ball. Im not saying Sanchez is great. He is better than Tebow.

Are you sure Sanchez is better than Tibow? I know Tibow is not great yet but Sanchez is the bottom list. We will see many guys saying "suck Sanchez" at this forum....again.

StraightShooter

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 4:00 AM ET #119

Quote Originally Posted by haithuy:

dude, you must be in love with Timmy.

If I’m in love with anything it’s how he drives his haters crazy by continuing to prove them wrong. It’s pretty entertaining to watch.

TA63

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 4:19 AM ET #120

Quote Originally Posted by Darumasan:

Are you sure Sanchez is better than Tibow? I know Tibow is not great yet but Sanchez is the bottom list. We will see many guys saying "suck Sanchez" at this forum....again.

I do believe Sanchez is better than Tebow, but that is not saying much. He has been to AFC champ games and is capable of passing out of the pocket. Tebow is completely one dimensional, and has been anhialated by the one decent team he faced, Detroit. Im thinking about teasing Jets to a pick with the under. I believe they will win, but not confident about covering 6.

dl36

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 6:01 AM ET #121

im not a hater... I really like watching tebow... he is actually changing the game with his style...

but I say tebows success will last about as long as the wild cat for two reasons...

1. Given a season people will find a scheme that is effective him and he copy cat league will have everyone doing it..

2. Eventually he is going to take some brutal hits and injuries and concussions specifically with accumulate...

But I enjoy tebow for his success... I have him on my fantasy football roster and he is like having another RB...

MTFN50

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 8:49 AM ET #122

simple Tebow is a playmaker not a QB, Yes the team is 5and 4 with Tebow since last year and something like 4-14 without him since last season. Just shows you how bad the broncos really are.

.Like the wildcat in 07 when the dolphins broke it out against the pats ,it was sucessful till the Defenses adjusted to it and now u dont even here the word.Same with this option style that his holiness ruStarting tonite with the backs against the wall must win for the Jets The Ds willl start shutting down the Pope Rex and Revis will remind everyone that tebow is far from a NFL QB .Did you know even in practice against air, no defenders in QB drills where the 2nd and 3rd stringers hit 70percent or better completing 4out of 5 passes,Tebow is hitting 2 out of 5 passes ,Completing 45% in practice .Tebows days are numbered starting tonite ,.Jets 27 Broncos 10

.His own coach said the other day QUOTE "iff we had to run a traditional offense Tim would be screwed"

MTFN50

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 8:58 AM ET #123

The comparison of Sanchez and Tebow is dumb.Tebow should not be compared with and other QB in the league. Thats just Jet haters talking .If you want to compare QBS Tebow shouldnt be in the discussion .Compare Sanchex with maybe Fitz up in Buff. Or the Bears Cutler,Maybe even his USC buddy Matt whos staring for the Texans on Sunday(thats should knock the Texans down a few pegs}.But to compare Tebow and sanchez is just DUMB

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Posted: Nov. 17, 2011 - 9:15 AM ET #124

Quote Originally Posted by einyx:

Hilarious how people keep bringing up the fact that Tebow isn't completing a lot of passes. They have changed the offense so he doesn't HAVE to throw the ball. I don't see anything wrong with ball control offense and grinding out yards on the ground so that your poor defense doesn't have to be out on the field. Also, there are less chances of a turnover because Denver isn't throwing it at all. Remember, a punt in the NFL is not bad at all and Denver has changed their game plan so that they can at least stay in games because they shorten the game so much with their style of play. IMO more teams need to play to the strength of their team like NE and Denver.

That works qhile they beat lesser teams. They have given up on a professional offense and now taytlor it around tewbow. For this year it will be ok. But listen to Steve Young, he hit it on the head. This is not the kind of team, offense or not that can win many games, no chance at a superbowl. They are depriving him of trying to learn more in the professional system by having fun in this style.

Tewbow is a great guy, a winner, but he will look like a fool once defense figure it out. Then what ? It is a flash in the pan at best for half a year, maybe even until the end of the year. I hope at that point he can become a TE, H-back or go and learn how to be a pro style QB. Too bad...