Quote Originally Posted by The_Presence:
Hey what's up man, I enjoyed your response. In no way am I trying to say there aren't refs that might take payments to influence games. You would have to be completely naive to believe that. If you were a part time ref making $30k a season and some cat offers you $100K to find some extra penalties in the game, 9.5 out of 10 us would do it.
Exactly. To add, maybe it wouldn't even seem that bad to a ref on the "take" if it was asked of him to not specifically make "bad" calls on purpose but to just call EVERY penalty you see instead of "letting them play" In the refs mind, he's just being asked to do his job better, not to lie. In this day and age where a PI or holding could be called on any play, you know how much influence that becomes? Especially if you combine it with a team that relies heavily on passsing or rushing or even lock down secondary defense. Or against a team that has a sick Dline, tell the ref to "let em play" and not call as many holding penalties. Simple enough to seem not crooked yet could easily dictate a cover.
But many people who cry "fix" imply that the entire game and league, and all of pro sports is choreographed. That is simply not possible. Even to suggest a RB would intentionally fumble a ball so his team will lose is borderline ridiculous.
I'm not saying it won't or hasn't happened, but let's examine one of the fumbles last night in the redzone. ATL's Coleman was trying to get a big gain, he was getting tackled and Ellerby or whatever his name is came and punched the ball out. Is that not a great play by Ellerby? Or did Coleman plan that, and him and Ellerby conspired to be in that exact moment at that exact time and have Browner be there waiting to recover it? Millions of ATL backers would claim that to be true. AB-SURD.
Completely agree here. The randomness and unpredictability of football would make it near impossible to script it play by play and produce your desired outcome at a high enough percentage. By trying to "fix" it completely, you'd probably end up creating more chaos.
I agree with you that you can factor the possible "fix" angle into your plays. And if you truly believe that the fix is in, then by all means you SHOULD consider that in your reasoning. But I've tried that before, and I came to find I had no idea which referree is gonna do what in what situation and I am not interested in researching what ref was where and what did he call in that particular situation.
Any good capper will take emotion into the equation. Human beings make decisions based on emotion. They backwards rationalize it later. This has been proven in study after study. Why did Tomlin call a Bootleg by Vick on 4th and 1 against Baltimore. He said he felt it in his gut. You could see it on his face when they were about to run the play. He thought he was gonna get it. And he didn't. But not one to give up, he dials in the wildcat to finish the SD game. Crazy. That's what emotions do. Many of the ones (not saying you) claiming that the fix is in, are probably the ones making picks based on media influence and basic stats.
Agree. I'm definately not one of those that thinks EVERY questionable play is a fix. I think IF the games are swayed, it's purposely on a SMALL level. 1. Less chance of being caught 2. easier to manage and 3. a lower level would actually make it TOUGHER for cappers to pinpoint when and where it happens and then bet accordingly. Some TRUE randomness mixed in with swayed randomness would be a huge mindf'k when trying to cap games.
If you were on NFL.com yesterday morning, you saw three stories relating to the game. One was about how great the Falcons new Head Coach was. The other was about how great Freeman, the ATL RB is. And the other was about the Saints falling apart, and that they were at the end of the run.
Interesting.
So if you are the average Joe reading those articles, who would you pick that night?
You would take the Falcons of course.
Is there an entity trying to influence the public? You bet. But to suggest that players who work all their lives, and spend years training with their teammates to fulfill their dreams of playing in the Super Bowl to throw away all their hard work and their teammates hardwork for some cash, and to never have any of their teammates who weren't in on it to NOT call them out? That's highly unlikely to say the least. Someone, multiple someones would call BS. Sammy Watkins threw his coach under the bus just yesterday just for not getting passes. He was injured! WTH. Look how players react to the refs for PI penalties, they wouldn't stand for someone on their own team throwing the game. Egos are way too big for that.
Anyone that has been wagering on games for any reasonable amount of time has noticed that stats go out the window in divisional games. Emotion is the name of the game. Why do you think that all the Thursday Night games are divisional matchups. They want good games. They know that divisional games are unpredictable and are likely to be highly charged and have a good finish. Occasionally you'll get the stinker like Houston vs Indy with backup QBs, but in general there's a lot of intensity in divisional games. Those type of games are the only reasons why teams like Washington, Chicago, St Louis and other bottom feeders have any relevance. They may stink, but they will rise up against their rivals.
There were a lot of people on Covers that were on the Saints. And you saw the same reasons being presented: SuperDome. Primetime. That's it. They didn't need any other reasons because they've seen this movie a dozen times. It's those who haven't been paying attention that cry foul at the end of the day.
There's a flow to human behavior. We tend to repeat our mistakes, and our successes. We like the comfort of it all. And the cycle continues. It's a beautiful dance actually.
Anyways, I digress. Good luck everybody!
Beer drinking Time Life will be good ,Just a thought maybe we can make a couple bots for are selves to go out and work for us to bring home the bacon so we have more time with the women or man to have some fun Life will be good and everything will be perfect .Come on people we been watching,playing sports for all these decades with umpires Linesmen etc. Sure they make some bad calls but it sure gives us things to talk about don`t they imagine having a game with no bad calls every hitter catcher outfielder making every catch pitcher`s throwing the exact pitch ..I no I'm a little off the rigged theme but be careful what we wish for and 1 more thing it all depends on what side of the play where on right so lets give this argument a rest and lets enjoy a beer and watch some games and cheer on our favorite team and have a blast JMO ..1 thing that really errk`s me are these replays in baseball sure it makes the game more perfect but it disrupts the game IMO .I think have replays for the really bad calls that your blind grand mother could have seen from the nose bleeds lol You no what I'm saying 
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