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NFL Rigged? - Voice Your Opinion
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Quote Originally Posted by suuma:
I think today it was just the spot. Saints were pumped up with their season on the line while the Falcons were 5-0 facing a 1-4 team after an overtime win. Look at other letdown spots and how poor teams tackle in that situation. The discrepancy of motivation can cause a turnover differential. Not that the Falcons weren't motivated, but the Saints were completely pumped with that loud stadium. I would guess the Seahawks have a much better turnover differential at home.
I think today it was just the spot. Saints were pumped up with their season on the line while the Falcons were 5-0 facing a 1-4 team after an overtime win. Look at other letdown spots and how poor teams tackle in that situation. The discrepancy of motivation can cause a turnover differential. Not that the Falcons weren't motivated, but the Saints were completely pumped with that loud stadium. I would guess the Seahawks have a much better turnover differential at home.
I respect the contribution however I don't think it holds too much weight and here's why.
- In the first half, the Saints had extreme difficulty moving the ball (the first drive noninclusive).
- ATL was not missing open field tackles. They play a man-zone scheme a lot. This results in a lot of plays being in front of them. I.E. the short screen passes that NO likes to run to their RB's.
- NO jumped out to an early 14-0 lead. It was at this point ATL brought the game closer by scoring a TD. From that point forward there was great offensive production from ATL but every drive stalled in the same spot on the field in the same way.
- ATL managed to get in field goal position 3X in the first half. For whatever reason, Dan Quinn made the decision to go for it on 4th down despite the game only being 7-0. Cue fumbled snap #1.
- Fumbled snap #1 never happens if Dan Quinn doesn't make a questionable call. He went for it in the first quarter instead of cutting NO's lead to 4 with his top 10 kicker.
- ATL only started to show offensive production that materialized into points in garbage time.
I hate to seem like the guy covering his head in tinfoil anticipating the end of the world but come on guys... This was an intentional throw from the first quarter.
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Quote Originally Posted by anaheimRX:
I've posted before that I think the penalties in football are influential enough where a referee could easily swing the favor to one team's side, enough to where that team would win almost every time.
I've posted before that I think the penalties in football are influential enough where a referee could easily swing the favor to one team's side, enough to where that team would win almost every time.
in almost every single snap in pro football, pass interference could be called on either side. these guys are so good they do anything to get an edge, they are handfighting and handchecking each other the entire play to get open/defend.
Anquan Boldin was super good at this, actually I think most of the premier receivers are. i believe you have to force the issue until the refs call you.
its the type of mindset the Patriots have.....if you aint cheating, you aint trying.
But ultimately like the poster above mentioned i can't believe that all the players/most players could be in on the fix and not say something.
Its very little people that control ALOT.. that's how its stays efficient...Look at mass media... They hire a few reporters camera men and writters but look at how far they reach and how many... If they had to pay everyone that much they would go broke... Everyone just follows orders for the most part... that's if they wanna get paid and land those contracts...
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Quote Originally Posted by HoldingXYZ:
This is what i would tell people... If you dont know how it works dont put your money on it... Rigged or not.. All i need to know is how and why and i can figure out when... Because i already know there's very little randomness in football... And i will tell you how...
When you see a ref throw a flag before a play even starts,, usually that's a sign,, incase the quarter back doesnt hit his target and he gets a free play or automatic first down.... A flag guarantees him forward progress...
So how exactly does that help you in making a bet? lol
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#30
Rigged or scripted is a strong (wrong) word. Coerced, influenced, massaged maybe? Definately not all games but more games than people would care to admit IMO. There's too much money involved to think pro sports are on the 100% up and up. In my opinion, you are naive to think the NFL is akin to amateur sports where the best team usually wins.
High school and lower level college is probably the highest level that you will find true competitions where it's all about the teams on the field/court or coaching. If the Olympics can be rigged or influenced, what makes you think a multi BILLION dollar industry that is controlled by 32 owners and the league, a handful of television stations and to some extent bookmakers (most will not agree with me here), would be on the up and up?
There is too much money at stake to let it ride on chance and allow whatever happens to happen. The current NFL and it's income is built on TV viewers. If the games went according to what should happen e.g. Atlanta should have whooped NO today, how many people would actually watch?
This is where IMO, sports betting has an underrated impact on the NFL. As bettors, if you KNEW ATL giving 3.5 is a sure thing and 99% of the time your sure things cashed, would you still watch? Probably not. If you were hitting at 80-90% you'd probably end up putting in your bets, collecting the payout and rarely watching. Why would you? There's no drama, no need to watch. If you couldn't gamble on games, I believe NFL viewership would decline tremendously. Viewers would mainly only be interested if their "team" was playing. Gambling allows anyone to have any team as "their" team on any given sunday. otherwise, the only one's watching would be limited to those in the 32 franchise cities and random folks who have some tie to the team. Even moreso if there wasn't "drama" as explained above.
Even though that's their designation, the NFL isn't a non profit. They aren't here for the sake of entertaining the masses for free. This isn't a public service. They are here to make money. Drama leads to viewers which leads to bigger revenue. You don't leave that up to chance.
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Quote Originally Posted by simple3:
So how exactly does that help you in making a bet? lol
I don't think it hurts to know more... Let me ask you this.. What are you adding to all of this? You're either in here to ask a question that pertains to helping you handicap better for yourself,,, or you have something rational to say to agree or disagree about
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Quote Originally Posted by Pandalicious:
Outlandish statement of the year: While a lot of you argue that the NFL could not possibly be rigged because someone would eventually blow the whistle... Any player who would come forward would likely be sued into oblivion and painted as a nutcase by the NFL. (FOOD FOR THOUGHT).
Wow, I thought I was the only one who thought of this angle when trying to come up with reasons as to why no one would talk.
I think it has alot of merit. Let's be honest, how many players play in the NFL for the "love of the game"? It's ALL about getting paid and rightfully so. I wouldn't expect these athletes to risk their life, quality of life etc. for the "love of the game". This isn't pee wee football, these are games involving the biggest, baddest men on the planet who could ruin your life as you know it in a single play.
So with that in mind, if getting and playing in the league is about getting paid, a Non-Disclosure Agreement would go a long way if you want to keep your riches that you are sacrificing for. Who knows, maybe it's gone so far that the pre-draft testing that is done includes some sort of indicator test on WHICH athletes are likely to spill the beans and which aren't? I know I know, I'm crazy...just open discussion is all.
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Pandalicious, it doesn't do me any good to watch a game. I am not a skilled observer even after 35 years of sports betting. I like watching football because it's exciting, not because I will notice something that will lead to a winning wager next week.
Pandalicious, it doesn't do me any good to watch a game. I am not a skilled observer even after 35 years of sports betting. I like watching football because it's exciting, not because I will notice something that will lead to a winning wager next week.
Exactly. And the favorite always stomping the shiet out of the underdog gets boring real quick. 
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Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:
Wow, I thought I was the only one who thought of this angle when trying to come up with reasons as to why no one would talk.
I think it has alot of merit. Let's be honest, how many players play in the NFL for the "love of the game"? It's ALL about getting paid and rightfully so. I wouldn't expect these athletes to risk their life, quality of life etc. for the "love of the game". This isn't pee wee football, these are games involving the biggest, baddest men on the planet who could ruin your life as you know it in a single play.
So with that in mind, if getting and playing in the league is about getting paid, a Non-Disclosure Agreement would go a long way if you want to keep your riches that you are sacrificing for. Who knows, maybe it's gone so far that the pre-draft testing that is done includes some sort of indicator test on WHICH athletes are likely to spill the beans and which aren't? I know I know, I'm crazy...just open discussion is all.
I think to further prove the NFL's ability to sweep controversies by the wayside we should discuss the predicament that Michael Sam faced.
In the beginning the whole world was excited to see an openly happy player in the NFL.
Unfortunately, he proceeded to be picked up and cut by a few teams. I believe he was later shipped off to the CFL.
Michael Sam was not unproductive for the teams he played for, let's not mix words here, he never made it in the NFL because he came out.
Have any of you ever heard Michael Sam's name in the past year? No? I guess the NFL did a great job of sweeping that one away too. I'd venture to guess guy activists are a lot more vocal than would be a couple of former players raising concerns about rigging. An entire movement was behind Michael Sam and we never heard anything about his early dispatch from the NFL. I highly doubt anybody would come to bat for any players making rigging claims.
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And football is all about keeping you ,, well maybe not you only,,,, and millions of others to stay glued to the screen... That's why many games have to be close to keep the interest alive in game... Because we are a statistic,, that a percentage of viewers will be buying the products we see on tv to pay for this whole program... So rule number one,, viewership needs to be HIGH...
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Quote Originally Posted by Pandalicious:
I think to further prove the NFL's ability to sweep controversies by the wayside we should discuss the predicament that Michael Sam faced.
In the beginning the whole world was excited to see an openly happy player in the NFL.
Unfortunately, he proceeded to be picked up and cut by a few teams. I believe he was later shipped off to the CFL.
Michael Sam was not unproductive for the teams he played for, let's not mix words here, he never made it in the NFL because he came out.
Have any of you ever heard Michael Sam's name in the past year? No? I guess the NFL did a great job of sweeping that one away too. I'd venture to guess guy activists are a lot more vocal than would be a couple of former players raising concerns about rigging. An entire movement was behind Michael Sam and we never heard anything about his early dispatch from the NFL. I highly doubt anybody would come to bat for any players making rigging claims.
Please note that in this post Covers.com altered the words "g4y" and "h0m0s3xu4l" to be "happy" and "guy" respectively.
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Yo panda... Now that you know how many ways it can be altered... use this to handicap the game.. Im never suprised when something fishy happends... But i need to know in advance when those spots occur... Yes the public is usually on the wrong side... They give you a few prime time wins and the vegas rake gets sent in... I have all this charted and mapped out... So its easy for me to go back and look...
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Imagine being a straight fella,, having to be sacked my micheal sam... Its only a matter of time before something hits the fan... it just won't work ... Its like Tim tebow... He didnt even want a salary... Not that he's any good... But it just didnt work... So they try to turn him into some pundit.. that didnt work either... LOL
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I'm sure this is a discussion that comes up a lot. I just had this with a friend yesterday who swears that the NFL is rigged.
These are the questions I asked him:
1. If you REALLY believe it's rigged, then why do you watch it? You don't watch WWE anymore, why watch the NFL?
2. Even if it is rigged, you still have a 50/50 chance of picking the winner, all you have to do is figure out who to pick. So if you want to bet, it's still a fair bet right? 50/50.
3. If it's rigged to make money for "Vegas", the NFL, paid off players, the boogie man, then it would make sense to follow the money right? Where ever most of the money is bet, just take the other side and you will win right?
At that point he flipped me off and changed the subject.
I don't think none of us REALLY think this game is scripted. Yes there are dumb calls, fishy calls, and outright outrageous calls, but isn't that how life is?
Why did Coca-Cola change their formula? Why did the Browns draft Brandon Weeden? Why do guys these days wear tight pants?
The answer is all the same: Dumb stuff happens.
Just my opinion.
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So guys here's a few rules that i go by if you're actually trying to do this for a living..
1. You need a fairly large bankroll
2. You need many outs,, ive been limited many times... I have also tailed some syndicate plays and actually have seen the books completely take of 1h plays off the board... I have even seen the largest book in asia refuse all plays with ips located in the states... I have seen steam travel around the world a few times and back growing like a virus,, where one person tells the next and another friend tells the next and next thing you know there's a line in vegas on the same plays...
3.. You need to constantly find outs... Camoflauge plays are necessary sometimes too... However in some cases i've seen books laying off the action and betting on top of it... Its so much bigger than we see and think... Theres so much going behind the scenes
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