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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 10:21 AM ET #1

    37-37 on the year...

    NEW ORLEANS SAINTS  -1

    i just flat out dont understand this line.  how are these teams evenly matched in this situation?  the saints are 10-0 and the pats are 7-3 with all 3 losses coming on the road, 2 of them to teams that are no where near as good as the saints.  in fact the pats should have lost to baltimore at home so they easily could be 6-4 from a capping stand point.  baltimore dropped a wide open pass on 4th down that would have gave them first and goal from the 2 to win. even the loss to indy was because they couldnt stop manning in the 4th quarter, there is no doubt in my mind if they punted manning still would have marched down the field and won.  the pats are very good but they are not as good as the 16-0 team, and quite frankly the saints look that good.  ill have to pay to see somone out score this team in their own house on monday night. saint also need to keep winning to stay ahead of minny for home field.   saints 30  pats 24

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    37-37 on the year...

    NEW ORLEANS SAINTS  -1

    i just flat out dont understand this line.  how are these teams evenly matched in this situation?  the saints are 10-0 and the pats are 7-3 with all 3 losses coming on the road, 2 of them to teams that are no where near as good as the saints.  in fact the pats should have lost to baltimore at home so they easily could be 6-4 from a capping stand point.  baltimore dropped a wide open pass on 4th down that would have gave them first and goal from the 2 to win. even the loss to indy was because they couldnt stop manning in the 4th quarter, there is no doubt in my mind if they punted manning still would have marched down the field and won.  the pats are very good but they are not as good as the 16-0 team, and quite frankly the saints look that good.  ill have to pay to see somone out score this team in their own house on monday night. saint also need to keep winning to stay ahead of minny for home field.   saints 30  pats 24

     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 10:23 AM ET #4

    love the saints tonight
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 10:28 AM ET #6

    You will have a winning record after tonight....
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 10:30 AM ET #7

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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 10:31 AM ET #8

    on it as well buddy, gl tonight
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 11:31 AM ET #10

    I think you make a good call here Bad.  Show me a more tenacious quarterback than Brees (ok Payton). He refuse's to lose, and wills his team to victory.

    I'm with you on this tonite!
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    I think you make a good call here Bad.  Show me a more tenacious quarterback than Brees (ok Payton). He refuse's to lose, and wills his team to victory.

    I'm with you on this tonite!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 11:33 AM ET #11

    nice arguement but this point you make is the one I can't seem to shake....

    "... just flat out dont understand this line.  how are these teams evenly matched in this situation?  the saints are 10-0 and the pats are 7-3 with all 3 losses coming on the road, 2 of them to teams that are no where near as good as the saints. "

    sometimes the line is telling you something....Saints seem like an obvious play, talent better, offense on fire, at home, great record yet they ar 1 point favrite.....this logic does not always work but percent wise when you bet the line not whjat makes sense you win more.....thats my experience at least.

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    nice arguement but this point you make is the one I can't seem to shake....

    "... just flat out dont understand this line.  how are these teams evenly matched in this situation?  the saints are 10-0 and the pats are 7-3 with all 3 losses coming on the road, 2 of them to teams that are no where near as good as the saints. "

    sometimes the line is telling you something....Saints seem like an obvious play, talent better, offense on fire, at home, great record yet they ar 1 point favrite.....this logic does not always work but percent wise when you bet the line not whjat makes sense you win more.....thats my experience at least.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 11:34 AM ET #12

    Love the play!  On the Saints as well.  Remember if the Bills don't fumble the kick off with 2 mins left, they beat the Pats in week 1
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    Love the play!  On the Saints as well.  Remember if the Bills don't fumble the kick off with 2 mins left, they beat the Pats in week 1
     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 11:37 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis_IV:

    nice arguement but this point you make is the one I can't seem to shake....

    "... just flat out dont understand this line.  how are these teams evenly matched in this situation?  the saints are 10-0 and the pats are 7-3 with all 3 losses coming on the road, 2 of them to teams that are no where near as good as the saints. "

    sometimes the line is telling you something....Saints seem like an obvious play, talent better, offense on fire, at home, great record yet they ar 1 point favrite.....this logic does not always work but percent wise when you bet the line not whjat makes sense you win more.....thats my experience at least.

    the line opened at -3 louis, what i meant was im surprised there has been so much new england money to bet it down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis_IV:

    nice arguement but this point you make is the one I can't seem to shake....

    "... just flat out dont understand this line.  how are these teams evenly matched in this situation?  the saints are 10-0 and the pats are 7-3 with all 3 losses coming on the road, 2 of them to teams that are no where near as good as the saints. "

    sometimes the line is telling you something....Saints seem like an obvious play, talent better, offense on fire, at home, great record yet they ar 1 point favrite.....this logic does not always work but percent wise when you bet the line not whjat makes sense you win more.....thats my experience at least.

    the line opened at -3 louis, what i meant was im surprised there has been so much new england money to bet it down

     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 12:17 PM ET #14

    I am disappointed in this post.  I often look at what 4 or 5 of you guys bring to the table for research, and take into consideration.  I am already locked in on this game though, last week.  Pats +3, and 1H +1.  What i am disappointed about is that your assessment is off, and i am surprised.  Referring to the Pats 3 losses, is an awful way to make an assessment.  All 3 of them the Pats were winning at halftime, all on the road.  1st 2 (NYJ and Den) was during Brady's "recovery time", and after Denver he got back to full strength and accuracy.  The 3rd loss, well, that is well documented and disputed, so not getting into that. 

    What you need to do is look at matchups.  Look at who NO beat.  Best QB he might have faced this year is Eli Manning.  Brady is a weeee bit better than Eli. 

    Now i can see NO winning, i can see NE winning, but shears matchups, and the fact that the Pats have allowed the least amount of Offensive points on DEF (2nd overall if including DEF/ST), and the inability of Saints DEF to stop the long (Moss), mid (Welker) & short (Faulk) passing games of the HOFer QB Brady, and Belichik doesn't make same mistake twice. 

    Oh by the way, after a long career, Faulk is finally playing a home game, and very inspired leader....

    Pats 35-31.

    Yes, i am a Pats fan, but consider Pats 1H +1, as the top play, since i do not believe Pats have been losing at halftime since Game 1 versus BUFF.  GL my friend...

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    I am disappointed in this post.  I often look at what 4 or 5 of you guys bring to the table for research, and take into consideration.  I am already locked in on this game though, last week.  Pats +3, and 1H +1.  What i am disappointed about is that your assessment is off, and i am surprised.  Referring to the Pats 3 losses, is an awful way to make an assessment.  All 3 of them the Pats were winning at halftime, all on the road.  1st 2 (NYJ and Den) was during Brady's "recovery time", and after Denver he got back to full strength and accuracy.  The 3rd loss, well, that is well documented and disputed, so not getting into that. 

    What you need to do is look at matchups.  Look at who NO beat.  Best QB he might have faced this year is Eli Manning.  Brady is a weeee bit better than Eli. 

    Now i can see NO winning, i can see NE winning, but shears matchups, and the fact that the Pats have allowed the least amount of Offensive points on DEF (2nd overall if including DEF/ST), and the inability of Saints DEF to stop the long (Moss), mid (Welker) & short (Faulk) passing games of the HOFer QB Brady, and Belichik doesn't make same mistake twice. 

    Oh by the way, after a long career, Faulk is finally playing a home game, and very inspired leader....

    Pats 35-31.

    Yes, i am a Pats fan, but consider Pats 1H +1, as the top play, since i do not believe Pats have been losing at halftime since Game 1 versus BUFF.  GL my friend...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 12:48 PM ET #16

    what up bads. i originally was going to take the Pats, but I just can't see it now. Saints at home on Prime Time will be too much for Indy. Saints

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    what up bads. i originally was going to take the Pats, but I just can't see it now. Saints at home on Prime Time will be too much for Indy. Saints

     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 12:49 PM ET #17

    man i agree with you, but only a .500 record?
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    man i agree with you, but only a .500 record?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttreadonme:

    man i agree with you, but only a .500 record?

     

    ......dumbest post of the day right here......but, it is early, so you could get overtaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttreadonme:

    man i agree with you, but only a .500 record?

     

    ......dumbest post of the day right here......but, it is early, so you could get overtaken.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 1:19 PM ET #19

    There aren't evenly matched. The public just loves the Patriots, so their lines get goofy. I'm on the Saints as well.

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    There aren't evenly matched. The public just loves the Patriots, so their lines get goofy. I'm on the Saints as well.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 1:26 PM ET #20

    Badlands....Like the play. Good luck...
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 1:27 PM ET #21

    GL bads....like the play.
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 1:30 PM ET #22

    Don't understand it either. NO is the overall better team to me. D and O. I personally like Peyton over Bill too. BOL
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    Don't understand it either. NO is the overall better team to me. D and O. I personally like Peyton over Bill too. BOL
     
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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2009 - 1:32 PM ET #23

    Rushing Yards per game:  Pats  113; Saints 154
    Passing Yards per game:  Pats 302;   Saints 266
    3rd Down Conversion Rate Pats 45.7;   Saints 46.9
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    Rushing Yards per game:  Pats  113; Saints 154
    Passing Yards per game:  Pats 302;   Saints 266
    3rd Down Conversion Rate Pats 45.7;   Saints 46.9
     
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    Rushing Yards Per Game:   Pats:     113; Saints:   154
    Passing Yards Per Game: Pats:      302;            Saints:    266
    3rd Down Conversion Rate:         Pats:       45.7           Saints:    46.9


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    Rushing Yards Per Game:   Pats:     113; Saints:   154
    Passing Yards Per Game: Pats:      302;            Saints:    266
    3rd Down Conversion Rate:         Pats:       45.7           Saints:    46.9


     
     
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