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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 9:35 AM ET #51

    It sounds to me the  OP is commiting one of the cardinal sins of over-reacting to each teams last game, while the book never over-reacts to each teams last game, therefore the OP thinks a team like the Saints should play the same way this week as  they did last week  but the book knows better and so should the OP if he has ever watched NFL games for any length of time.
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    It sounds to me the  OP is commiting one of the cardinal sins of over-reacting to each teams last game, while the book never over-reacts to each teams last game, therefore the OP thinks a team like the Saints should play the same way this week as  they did last week  but the book knows better and so should the OP if he has ever watched NFL games for any length of time.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 10:35 AM ET #52



    for every lost by .5 the other person won by .5
    only thing rigged is your mind when you lose- if you won,  would you still think the game is rigged?????

    come on man!!! no matter how much the league is worth, he nfl cant script a game..too many people would have to be involved and the first person that didnt get their cut, would tell it all..

    vegas lives off the vig- and 6-8-10 team football cards..lol..sucka bet...

    My choice in wagering football is College..these kids play til the end..fk the score, the line isn't as close as the pro's...this is not a GENTLEMANS game like the NFL.

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    for every lost by .5 the other person won by .5
    only thing rigged is your mind when you lose- if you won,  would you still think the game is rigged?????

    come on man!!! no matter how much the league is worth, he nfl cant script a game..too many people would have to be involved and the first person that didnt get their cut, would tell it all..

    vegas lives off the vig- and 6-8-10 team football cards..lol..sucka bet...

    My choice in wagering football is College..these kids play til the end..fk the score, the line isn't as close as the pro's...this is not a GENTLEMANS game like the NFL.

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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 10:49 AM ET #53

    When I win by .5 I still think its fixed,  I don't bet college I pick 1 nfl fame a week or 3, and yes college doesn't come close to the spread but when the game is highly betted and watched it will Alabama Texas am spread was 8 Alabama would by 7 

    Bcs winner last year against heis man last year, should produce some nfl players
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    When I win by .5 I still think its fixed,  I don't bet college I pick 1 nfl fame a week or 3, and yes college doesn't come close to the spread but when the game is highly betted and watched it will Alabama Texas am spread was 8 Alabama would by 7 

    Bcs winner last year against heis man last year, should produce some nfl players
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 10:51 AM ET #54

    Ok fellows, and mostly directed to those of you who are still living in the "dark ages"  of sports betting, do yourself a favor and go to www.thefixisin.net.....I suppose this guy is blowing smoke out of his behind too????....Hell, he has written a book and documented all of the "bullshit" going on in all sports....Read about some of the better, well known tank jobs, including the NFL....I suppose you have answers for this too????.....And to the people who posted about the NFL having so much invested in security, well, so does the NBA, and look what happened to one of their offiicials!!....
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    Ok fellows, and mostly directed to those of you who are still living in the "dark ages"  of sports betting, do yourself a favor and go to www.thefixisin.net.....I suppose this guy is blowing smoke out of his behind too????....Hell, he has written a book and documented all of the "bullshit" going on in all sports....Read about some of the better, well known tank jobs, including the NFL....I suppose you have answers for this too????.....And to the people who posted about the NFL having so much invested in security, well, so does the NBA, and look what happened to one of their offiicials!!....
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 11:24 AM ET #55

    I think it is somewhere in between both sides of this argument.  

    Billions of advertising revenue is a stake.  If your paying $ millions for a 30 sec ad spot on Monday night your doing so because the league sits down and explains the rating consistency it has been able to generate.  The schedule is based on last years performance but teams change dramatically so they can't guarantee that Bal vs Indy in week 13 is going to have the same big game impact it did last year.  But they can show stats that regardless of the matchup the ratings consistency remains.  Ever notice how many of the prime time games go down to the wire, and amazing comebacks there are?

    It isn't necessary to "manage" every game but to think that it isn't going on is ridiculous as well.  The refs in football probably have more control on the outcome than any other sport, they can take and put points on the board with a single call and they can control the scoring with flags (a single 10 yard holding penalty is very effective at killing drives).

    The talent level difference between players and teams is over estimated by most as well. This is purposely hyped by the media.  Ex.  Addidas signs RGIII to $100million contract before he throws a single pass in the NFL.  ESPN counts on X% of ad revenue from Addidas each year.  What do u think ESPNs job is in order to earn that ad money?  Criticize and degrade Addidas's $100million investment?  No they are hired to make him a star and a star he will be at if he behaves properly.  The average viewer is the average Joe with an average IQ and an emotional decision maker.  They want to hear hype, they want to believe that there team or player is unstoppable and that is what the media's job is to provide.

    Lesson is that it is a tricky game and scenarios matter much,much more in the NFL than Xs and Os.  It is business, big big business and not all is going to be left to games of chance.  If u want to bet more successfully you need to consider the circumstances very carefully.
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    I think it is somewhere in between both sides of this argument.  

    Billions of advertising revenue is a stake.  If your paying $ millions for a 30 sec ad spot on Monday night your doing so because the league sits down and explains the rating consistency it has been able to generate.  The schedule is based on last years performance but teams change dramatically so they can't guarantee that Bal vs Indy in week 13 is going to have the same big game impact it did last year.  But they can show stats that regardless of the matchup the ratings consistency remains.  Ever notice how many of the prime time games go down to the wire, and amazing comebacks there are?

    It isn't necessary to "manage" every game but to think that it isn't going on is ridiculous as well.  The refs in football probably have more control on the outcome than any other sport, they can take and put points on the board with a single call and they can control the scoring with flags (a single 10 yard holding penalty is very effective at killing drives).

    The talent level difference between players and teams is over estimated by most as well. This is purposely hyped by the media.  Ex.  Addidas signs RGIII to $100million contract before he throws a single pass in the NFL.  ESPN counts on X% of ad revenue from Addidas each year.  What do u think ESPNs job is in order to earn that ad money?  Criticize and degrade Addidas's $100million investment?  No they are hired to make him a star and a star he will be at if he behaves properly.  The average viewer is the average Joe with an average IQ and an emotional decision maker.  They want to hear hype, they want to believe that there team or player is unstoppable and that is what the media's job is to provide.

    Lesson is that it is a tricky game and scenarios matter much,much more in the NFL than Xs and Os.  It is business, big big business and not all is going to be left to games of chance.  If u want to bet more successfully you need to consider the circumstances very carefully.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 11:30 AM ET #56

    Oh and hasn't it evolved nicely with ESPN providing retirement employment for washed up players and coaches.  Kind of incentive to keep the business running.

    BTW look at that Bucs Pick 6 highlight again and see if u think the Saints didn't look like clowns trying to tackle him before he scored.  Rigged,  I don't know but I'm certain that I saw a lack of effort.
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    Oh and hasn't it evolved nicely with ESPN providing retirement employment for washed up players and coaches.  Kind of incentive to keep the business running.

    BTW look at that Bucs Pick 6 highlight again and see if u think the Saints didn't look like clowns trying to tackle him before he scored.  Rigged,  I don't know but I'm certain that I saw a lack of effort.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 12:26 PM ET #57

    Exactly TheClaw.
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 12:30 PM ET #58

    Inthetank its always one or a few people when you see rigged games never an entire team or league.
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    Inthetank its always one or a few people when you see rigged games never an entire team or league.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 1:05 PM ET #59

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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 1:17 PM ET #60

    War is staged so is football I pray suckers contuine being born so we can feed on them "the circle of life"
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    War is staged so is football I pray suckers contuine being born so we can feed on them "the circle of life"
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 1:22 PM ET #61

    its rigged in every aspect. last super bowl electrical issue delay? the game was a a blow out. 

    the nfl has an obligatory ratings it has to meet for the super bowl for all the advertisement, if they dont meet the ratings the $ comes out of the nfl pockets no the tv network. 

    37 minute delay, then a great comeback!
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    its rigged in every aspect. last super bowl electrical issue delay? the game was a a blow out. 

    the nfl has an obligatory ratings it has to meet for the super bowl for all the advertisement, if they dont meet the ratings the $ comes out of the nfl pockets no the tv network. 

    37 minute delay, then a great comeback!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 1:25 PM ET #62

    Professional wrestling isn't rigged either.
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    Professional wrestling isn't rigged either.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 2:00 PM ET #63

    Every game I lose is rigged. (g)
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 11:30 PM ET #64

    Another example here, steelers bengals 

    I've seen penalties worth about 200 yards now offensively. They have taken away atleast 14-24 points so far. Shows how much impact refs have on a game. Holding penalties against the offense constantly, penalties on the recieving team, and all against offense. 

    Look how close to the line this game is, and in this game its not just one of the lines, its both the over/under and the +/- that have followed the line for the entire game.
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    Another example here, steelers bengals 

    I've seen penalties worth about 200 yards now offensively. They have taken away atleast 14-24 points so far. Shows how much impact refs have on a game. Holding penalties against the offense constantly, penalties on the recieving team, and all against offense. 

    Look how close to the line this game is, and in this game its not just one of the lines, its both the over/under and the +/- that have followed the line for the entire game.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 11:32 PM ET #65

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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2013 - 11:34 PM ET #66

    Lol no one would watch this boring game if it wasn't near the line they need ratings!!!!!!!! Steelers score one more 20-13 
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    Lol no one would watch this boring game if it wasn't near the line they need ratings!!!!!!!! Steelers score one more 20-13 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2013 - 4:56 AM ET #68

    The NFL isn't fixed. They have no need to fix it. They make enough money off of everything else, and it would be too hard to fix it completely. I'm sure some of the more moral players (think of all the players who always thank God after winning) would come out and say something about it. While it does seem like a lot of people care about the NFL mainly because of the gambling, there are actually more just regular fans and those into Fantasy Football these days. Plus think of how hard it would be to fix these games. And just watch some of the endings of games that are totally crazy. There's no way these things could have been totally orchestrated. Also, think about how certain things hold true, like rookie players struggling, older players going downhill... If it was fixed, these things wouldn't really hold true as much as they do.
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    The NFL isn't fixed. They have no need to fix it. They make enough money off of everything else, and it would be too hard to fix it completely. I'm sure some of the more moral players (think of all the players who always thank God after winning) would come out and say something about it. While it does seem like a lot of people care about the NFL mainly because of the gambling, there are actually more just regular fans and those into Fantasy Football these days. Plus think of how hard it would be to fix these games. And just watch some of the endings of games that are totally crazy. There's no way these things could have been totally orchestrated. Also, think about how certain things hold true, like rookie players struggling, older players going downhill... If it was fixed, these things wouldn't really hold true as much as they do.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2013 - 5:03 AM ET #69

    Also, people are talking in this thread about how close games are to the line. That's just how sports are, especially football. They frankly waste *so much time* in football and the winning team always sits on the ball and *burns the clock out when they're ahead*. That's why games tend to be so close to the line. Also, free agency, the salary cap, etc. And yeah, in a way, you could say it's slightly fixed. Teams are out there to *entertain*. There are times when a coach of a losing team might literally want to just have his team give up, so as not to waste their energy on a losing effort and risk having more injuries. They still keep playing and trying to win because they're supposed to entertain the crowd. But it's not truly fixed or staged.
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    Also, people are talking in this thread about how close games are to the line. That's just how sports are, especially football. They frankly waste *so much time* in football and the winning team always sits on the ball and *burns the clock out when they're ahead*. That's why games tend to be so close to the line. Also, free agency, the salary cap, etc. And yeah, in a way, you could say it's slightly fixed. Teams are out there to *entertain*. There are times when a coach of a losing team might literally want to just have his team give up, so as not to waste their energy on a losing effort and risk having more injuries. They still keep playing and trying to win because they're supposed to entertain the crowd. But it's not truly fixed or staged.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2013 - 5:33 AM ET #70

    did anyone else see the "pass interference" on the pick at the end of the carolina game?  was that not an uncatchable ball?
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    did anyone else see the "pass interference" on the pick at the end of the carolina game?  was that not an uncatchable ball?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2013 - 6:03 AM ET #71

    I hit practically everything (except for Cleveland +7) and I called it 3 days in advance.

    Nothing is fixed, it's just some of you cap your games by the last game you saw, history, trends, statistics, and numbers...trying to gain an edge..and sometimes that will work against you.

    Any team can win on Sunday..
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    I hit practically everything (except for Cleveland +7) and I called it 3 days in advance.

    Nothing is fixed, it's just some of you cap your games by the last game you saw, history, trends, statistics, and numbers...trying to gain an edge..and sometimes that will work against you.

    Any team can win on Sunday..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2013 - 6:08 AM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeThisXen:

    I hit practically everything (except for Cleveland +7) and I called it 3 days in advance.

    Nothing is fixed, it's just some of you cap your games by the last game you saw, history, trends, statistics, and numbers...trying to gain an edge..and sometimes that will work against you.

    Any team can win on Sunday..

    Ok. Please tell Jaguars that, this Sunday...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeThisXen:

    I hit practically everything (except for Cleveland +7) and I called it 3 days in advance.

    Nothing is fixed, it's just some of you cap your games by the last game you saw, history, trends, statistics, and numbers...trying to gain an edge..and sometimes that will work against you.

    Any team can win on Sunday..

    Ok. Please tell Jaguars that, this Sunday...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2013 - 9:21 AM ET #73

    Do any lines stick out or look suspicious this week.
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    Do any lines stick out or look suspicious this week.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2013 - 11:23 AM ET #74

    when steelers were driving the game 75% of the viewers were watching was do bengals cover. the other 25 percent were fans. 

    more bettors more viewers
    line dictates game
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    when steelers were driving the game 75% of the viewers were watching was do bengals cover. the other 25 percent were fans. 

    more bettors more viewers
    line dictates game
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2013 - 12:05 PM ET #75

    ...YOU ARE RIGHT KABOONS...In in very high percentage of prime time games, you'll note that the outcome via the "spread," is close till nearly the end of the game....A lot is riding on this to keep viewers there, notably the gamblers, and to keep the in game wagering going too... But add the commercials, ratings, etc! too....It is football, of course, but it is ENTERTAINMENT most of all....If you had a total blowout by half, the viewing audience would dwindle considerably....Again, I say it's a BUSINESS first, then a sport....I do wish a lot of you would go to www.thefixisin. and read the DOCUMENTED proof of CONTROL....Can everything be controlled in a game?.....Of course not, for there are too many variables....But there is much more "orchestration" going on than most of you choose to believe!!
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    ...YOU ARE RIGHT KABOONS...In in very high percentage of prime time games, you'll note that the outcome via the "spread," is close till nearly the end of the game....A lot is riding on this to keep viewers there, notably the gamblers, and to keep the in game wagering going too... But add the commercials, ratings, etc! too....It is football, of course, but it is ENTERTAINMENT most of all....If you had a total blowout by half, the viewing audience would dwindle considerably....Again, I say it's a BUSINESS first, then a sport....I do wish a lot of you would go to www.thefixisin. and read the DOCUMENTED proof of CONTROL....Can everything be controlled in a game?.....Of course not, for there are too many variables....But there is much more "orchestration" going on than most of you choose to believe!!
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