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#2176
Are you saying that Tebow is more of a reason for their wins than the defense?
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#2178
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
And that stats are flawed because of early injuries to key players and monster games by some of the top offenses in football in the Packers, Patriots and Lions. Plus...the 21 points given up against the Bills that were off special teams and turnovers go towards their points per game numbers as well.
If you’re going to make allowances for injuries on the Denver defense and for them having to face good offenses then you should make allowances for the rest of the defenses in the NFL as well. In which case Denver is still probably ranked around 20.
And how many points the offense and special teams allow has no impact on Denver’s 20th ranking in yards allowed per game.
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Posted:
#2179
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
Players/teams get hype/attention based on what sells. Take a look at the Texans earlier this season. They were one of the best teams in the NFL but pretty much no one at ESPN gave a shit because the Texans don’t sell.
During Denver’s 6 game winning streak there wasn’t a player in all of sports selling better than Tim Tebow.
And they were force feeding people Tebow's hype and saying that "All he does is win". If "All he does is win"...why is he losing right now?
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Posted:
#2181
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
If you’re going to make allowances for injuries on the Denver defense and for them having to face good offenses then you should make allowances for the rest of the defenses in the NFL as well. In which case Denver is still probably ranked around 20.
And how many points the offense and special teams allow has no impact on Denver’s 20th ranking in yards allowed per game.
I do. And if you make allowances for everyone...than a 20th ranked defense isn't as bad as it sounds.
Or like I said in a much earlier post. Maybe I am wrong about the defense. Maybe facing these weak offenses in the Jets, Chiefs (twice), Chicago, Miami, San Diego (before Rivers started to heat up) and Buffalo (after Fitzpatrick's great start), was the reason the defenses played so well.
But if that is the case...than it helps my strength of schedule argument even more.
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Posted:
#2182
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Well...I did see a guy named "spooker" say that he's a phenom. And a guy named "navi" saying that he will be a hall of famer". And a guy named "GMTFAN say that he'll be the "2nd MVP".
Maybe non of those say "great" but if they aren't implying it...then I have no idea WHAT they're implying.
I posted “looks to me for every one extreme voice calling him great there are 10 extreme voices claiming he sucks.”
You replied “you must have skipped most of this thread and avoid the TV during his winning streak.”
I don’t think 1 yes and 3 maybe’s disproves my claim.
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Posted:
#2183
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
So how could you deny that the defense has been good when they put forth games such as the ones against Miami, Kansas City (twice), New York, at San Diego and against Chicago and Buffalo?
Being ranked the 20th best defense accounts for more than what they did against non playoff teams, IMO.
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Posted:
#2184
Well between you and Sparky, I have to call this an undeniable split decision and I KNOW you will never back down. Just call it a truce.
You both have met your equal match and if I was in a jury, I would definitely be "hung" AND beaten down
I can't wait for DENVER to lose this weekend. Please God, put Timmy out of this season's misery of all these unrealistic AND unattainable expectations
And to put this THREAD to it's deserving DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You both have met your equal match and if I was in a jury, I would definitely be "hung" AND beaten down
I can't wait for DENVER to lose this weekend. Please God, put Timmy out of this season's misery of all these unrealistic AND unattainable expectations
And to put this THREAD to it's deserving DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0
Posted:
#2187
Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:
A couple of things on Tebow, this is dead on. He was on every news cast and the lead three weeks ago. It was amazing! There were many other and to me better stories but each night Timmy T was the headliner. Cool but probably not the case if he was not so religious.
That said, I have nothing against him and his religion. I have met him and spent so time with him. He is all the say and then some. Classy guy. Intelligent Nice. The kind of guy you want your kids to turn out as. It was not his fault the press made him out to be so fricking big.
I think professionally he has a large and I mean a large whole in his game. He hates the pocket. The league has adapted and now he must. Count me as hoping he does but doubting it comes true.
I do concur his receiving corps are shit and his line is shit and the play calling is shit. I also think his confidence is totally shot. Kid needs a hug.
This weekend may be very tough on the Donkeys.
A couple of things on Tebow, this is dead on. He was on every news cast and the lead three weeks ago. It was amazing! There were many other and to me better stories but each night Timmy T was the headliner. Cool but probably not the case if he was not so religious.
That said, I have nothing against him and his religion. I have met him and spent so time with him. He is all the say and then some. Classy guy. Intelligent Nice. The kind of guy you want your kids to turn out as. It was not his fault the press made him out to be so fricking big.
I think professionally he has a large and I mean a large whole in his game. He hates the pocket. The league has adapted and now he must. Count me as hoping he does but doubting it comes true.
I do concur his receiving corps are shit and his line is shit and the play calling is shit. I also think his confidence is totally shot. Kid needs a hug.
This weekend may be very tough on the Donkeys.
best post i have seen since i started reading this thread.Crusher split decision? Shooter clearly won along time ago.
It only took me 4 posts to win
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Posted:
#2188
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
I do. And if you make allowances for everyone...than a 20th ranked defense isn't as bad as it sounds.
Or like I said in a much earlier post. Maybe I am wrong about the defense. Maybe facing these weak offenses in the Jets, Chiefs (twice), Chicago, Miami, San Diego (before Rivers started to heat up) and Buffalo (after Fitzpatrick's great start), was the reason the defenses played so well.
But if that is the case...than it helps my strength of schedule argument even more.
That’s the point. If you make allowances and excuses for all the teams then it wouldn’t change any of their rankings very much. Denver’s defense would still be ranked about 20th.
And I have no idea what your strength of schedule argument is.
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Posted:
#2189
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
I posted “looks to me for every one extreme voice calling him great there are 10 extreme voices claiming he sucks.”
You replied “you must have skipped most of this thread and avoid the TV during his winning streak.”
I don’t think 1 yes and 3 maybe’s disproves my claim.
I'm responding to the earlier question where you asked someone to find you guys who called him great.
And one person said he's great while someone said he'll be an MVP, another person said he'll be the 2nd MVP, another person called him a phenom and another person called him a Hall of Famer.
Continue to play lawyer and say that they didn't say the word GREAT. But if you can't see that MVP, runner up for MVP, phenom and Hall of Famer are different ways of implying that they think someone is great, than there is nothing I can do because everyone else can see it and you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Posted:
#2190
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
Being ranked the 20th best defense accounts for more than what they did against non playoff teams, IMO.
But I thought that they can only play who is in front of them and a win (or in this case, a great defensive showing) is what it is no matter the competition.
My argument is that the defense is more of a reason for the Broncos winning than Tebow was. Is your argument that Tebow is more of a reason for the Broncos winning than the defense?
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#2191
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
I’m saying Tebow doesn’t suck and the defense isn’t good.
You gotta be more specific than that so I have something to work with. Doesn't suck can be great, average, below average, etc. right? So which is it.
The defense "isn't good" could mean that they suck, they're average or below average.
I just need to know where you stand so I don't speculate.
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#2193
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
That’s the point. If you make allowances and excuses for all the teams then it wouldn’t change any of their rankings very much. Denver’s defense would still be ranked about 20th.
And I have no idea what your strength of schedule argument is.
My strength of schedule argument is that Tebow hasn't beaten any good enough teams to have deserved the praise that he was given. Nor did he put up good numbers against these teams.
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Posted:
#2194
[Quote: Originally Posted by Sparky10191]
SPARKY, now you are about to be TKO'd.
SKIP BAYLESS
That guy was one of and still is, one of the biggest jokes and least respected member
of the Dallas media. Trust me on this one, this guy SUCKS more than TEBOW.
He is a classless, ridiculus mouthy BOZO. Hell, he even makes that drunk Woody Paige look respectable
Sparky, the count has officially started. Carry on
Not sure why not. He's a major part of ESPN.
SPARKY, now you are about to be TKO'd.
SKIP BAYLESS
That guy was one of and still is, one of the biggest jokes and least respected member
of the Dallas media. Trust me on this one, this guy SUCKS more than TEBOW. He is a classless, ridiculus mouthy BOZO. Hell, he even makes that drunk Woody Paige look respectableSparky, the count has officially started. Carry on
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Posted:
#2195
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
I'm responding to the earlier question where you asked someone to find you guys who called him great.
And one person said he's great while someone said he'll be an MVP, another person said he'll be the 2nd MVP, another person called him a phenom and another person called him a Hall of Famer.
Continue to play lawyer and say that they didn't say the word GREAT. But if you can't see that MVP, runner up for MVP, phenom and Hall of Famer are different ways of implying that they think someone is great, than there is nothing I can do because everyone else can see it and you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
You implied there were plenty of people in this thread that called Tebow a great NFL QB/player.
Finding 1 yes and a 3 maybe’s doesn’t back that up.
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Posted:
#2196
Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:
SPARKY, now you are about to be TKO'd.
SKIP BAYLESS
That guy was one of and still is, one of the biggest jokes and least respected member of the Dallas media. Trust me on this one, this guy SUCKS more than TEBOW. He is a classless, ridiculus mouthy BOZO. Hell, he even makes that drunk Woody Paige look respectable
Sparky, the count has officially started. Carry on
SPARKY, now you are about to be TKO'd.
SKIP BAYLESS
That guy was one of and still is, one of the biggest jokes and least respected member
of the Dallas media. Trust me on this one, this guy SUCKS more than TEBOW. He is a classless, ridiculus mouthy BOZO. Hell, he even makes that drunk Woody Paige look respectableSparky, the count has officially started. Carry on
Hey man. I'm with you 100%. I can't stand Bayless and I hate Stephen A Smith even more. But I'm not lying when Bayless puts this guy on a pedestal and praises him.
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Posted:
#2197
Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
But I thought that they can only play who is in front of them and a win (or in this case, a great defensive showing) is what it is no matter the competition.
My argument is that the defense is more of a reason for the Broncos winning than Tebow was. Is your argument that Tebow is more of a reason for the Broncos winning than the defense?
Not if you’re going to claim the 20th ranked defense in the NFL is considered good.
Your argument is “Tebow sucks” and has evolved into “Tebow sucks and the defense is good.”
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Posted:
#2198
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
You implied there were plenty of people in this thread that called Tebow a great NFL QB/player.
Finding 1 yes and a 3 maybe’s doesn’t back that up.
So I've seen 5 people in the first 2 weeks say these things and everyone else implying it by bashing me. Unless someone says "he may not win pretty, but he's a winner" and other things along those lines, which there were plenty, than I take it as they think they're great.
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#2199
Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:
Well between you and Sparky, I have to call this an undeniable split decision and I KNOW you will never back down. Just call it a truce.
You both have met your equal match and if I was in a jury, I would definitely be "hung" AND beaten down
I can't wait for DENVER to lose this weekend. Please God, put Timmy out of this season's misery of all these unrealistic AND unattainable expectations And to put this THREAD to it's deserving DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well between you and Sparky, I have to call this an undeniable split decision and I KNOW you will never back down. Just call it a truce.
You both have met your equal match and if I was in a jury, I would definitely be "hung" AND beaten down
I can't wait for DENVER to lose this weekend. Please God, put Timmy out of this season's misery of all these unrealistic AND unattainable expectations
And to put this THREAD to it's deserving DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I don’t think either side can honestly claim perfect victory. However, I think the fact that Tebow took over a below average-terrible 1-4 team and led them to a division title with arguably the worst set of offensive weapons in the NFL and the 20th ranked defense (that supposedly carried him) tends to lend credence to the argument that, all things considered, he doesn’t suck. 
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Posted:
#2200
Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
Not if you’re going to claim the 20th ranked defense in the NFL is considered good.
Your argument is “Tebow sucks” and has evolved into “Tebow sucks and the defense is good.”
My argument is that Tebow sucks and got waaaaaaay too much credit for the Broncos wins when the credit should have gone to the Broncos defense far more than Tebow.
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