Giants -3 over Jaguars. I don't care how square you think that pick is.There is good reason 2takeit.

The write-up with evidence is supposed to help you move away from intuition (your 'feel') and towards solid ground.

You could go read LC's write-up and choose a side you like. Many lines every week always appear a bit sketchy.

Quote Originally Posted by suuma:

Thanks for your responses scal.

If Jags has been tackled like a football team, Dallas would have never been up so much points in this game. That's what I wanted to say.

Dolphins needed two pick-sixes (is that right?), otherwise it would have been a close game in the fourth quarter. Dolphins had problems with the Jaguars' pass rush even though they have a good o-line and Eli will face these problems also. Yes these turnovers are an indicator of how bad the Jaguars are, but interceptions can destroy a game, like we saw with the Giants against SF.

Have a good weekend

But Summa, that is why they are a one win team. They can't tackle. Bortles is going through growing pains throwing INT's that result in Pick-6's because he doesn't take his eyes off his targets. That's what rookies do.

That is why I have to put up with 3 INT's in the first quarter with the Jets.

We can't dismiss bad tackling. It is part and parcel of who the Jags are and what bad teams are.

And when you need an outright win (because 3 gets you a push only), you need a lot to go right otherwise.

I agree the Jags will pressure Eli. But will a pass rush be enough? I say no.

@Action:

And finally to your Eli is a Russian Roulette QB comment, here is what you have behind center after the 'great' defense (that has given up the most points in the NFL) leaves the field:

"You shouldn’t jump to conclusions with any rookie QB playing behind such an abysmal offensive line. The bad news: Bortles has tallied 15 picks, five fumbles and just eight passing TDs, along with an impossibly low 21.8 QBR. That’s really, really, really, really dreadful. Since 2006, only six qualifying QBs dipped under 25 QBR.

2013 Brandon Weeden: 24.7
2007 Kellen Clemens: 22.3
2011 Blaine Gabbert: 19.1
2006 Andrew Walter: 17.4
2009 JaMarcus Russell: 11.6
2010 Jimmy Clausen: 11.0"

Well BB,

You tried to warn him last week about the Lions/Pats and Ravens Saints (I believe) and said one of those two games might be a blowout against his pick ( I believe he was on the Lions and the Ravens).

He shrugged it off and you were right both couldn't hit.

Then in the NBA last week, I believe he was taking OKC over the Nets (who were on a losing streak) and the other game escapes me (he might have been fading the Cavs) and you said both games had a very low probability of hitting in those situations (I believe both teams were on losing streaks).

He shrugged it off and you were right both couldn't hit.

Now I'm here saying there is little justification for the Jags. If his 'black box' trends work out so be it. I'll bet on the team I know vs. one that needs a W 95% of the time at a number like 3 to collect any winnings. That is a damn tough spot for a one-win team.

I'll tell you this. I would NOT be as confident if the Giants beat the Cowboys. The line would be 4/4.5 and the Giants could come down a notch after a quality win they yearned for. But I love this six game losing streak they have to break. 

Good Luck tomorrow SCAL!! 

What do you think about St. Louis -7??

This is a tough St. Louis team, that should destroy an awful Raiders squad...Like to know what you think...I know you took a look at this game...

how about something useful like: the Jags offense is completely lost right now with a rookie QB with zero help, and they will simply be outscored..

seriously anything tangible would be nice

Yeah, I beat you to the punch with that one. See post #61 (which is before your post #63).

And by the way, I don't care about the line movement or where the public is on this game. I was addressing a comment that was made and that was more for conversation. You didn't see that in my OP for a reason. I looked at the line and liked it. End of story.

Looks like he thinks exactly like me. I said exactly the same thing in the OP (in addition to much of everything else he said):

Look at the past 6 losses:

@Philly L

@Dallas L

Colts L

@Seattle L

Niners L

Cowboys L

What a stretch! I'll bet that's the toughest six game stretch of any team in the NFL this season!

I know they went 0-6. But damn, that's like a firing squad of excellent teams.

And who did they beat up on before that?

Atlanta Washington Houston - Bad and below average teams

I was actually referencing an inside joke that poster made in another thread you fool.

I didn't give that game one nano-second of a look. I have enough problems dealing with teams like the Jets than to mess with the Raiders.

2.5 now? Oh, I'll be right back.

:::logging into 5Dimes:::

Hahaha...Understood...

I am trailing you on the Giants pick!!  Lets make some money tomorrow...Have a good night bro...