Trae Young better than Doncic and better than Curry at the same age! Let the debate begin.

Steph at 22 was not better than Young at 22. Stop with the revisionist history and all the hypotheticals already. 

@begginerboy

It's not how you start. It's how you finish.

@begginerboy

Lol, if you dont want revisionist history and hypotheticals why the fuck would you create this thread?!

You are on Trae´s side because of yesterday´s game. But you cannot compare eras, nor can you compare the team in which Trae is playing now, as opposed to the shitbath the Warriors were back in 2010. 

Stats give value to arguments... they let you make them objective. Stats don´t lie. You could rebutt my points with stats as Stu tried, and then we can have a discussion. But when your approach is what you just wrote,there is nothing one can say or add. You decided this to be a subjective discussion on which historic stats are useless, then ok, I will move on. 

Luka will get a ring before Trae. Steph will get another before Trae. Hell, I guarantee you unless he ends up in a super team a lá Harden, Trae will go ringless in his career. Shitty FG% and 3p%, with some baller streetball moves can gain you followers in this site, but they don´t win rings. 

Curry's offensive skill is so ridiculous. I honestly find it funny there are actually more than one person saying 22 year old Trae Young is better than a 22 year old Steph Curry. The same 22 year old that shot 48/44/93, lmao!! Comedy session on covers.

@gutinstinctus

 First of all, what kind of dude say, "You're probably one of those dudes..." and must makes some shit up to prove a point. Russell Westbrook? I just understand basketball. And I actually watched games. And I know Steph at 22 often struggled to get his own shot, was grabby on defense. Like you said, guys in the size range are never good defenders. Even guys like Patrick Beverley are just pesky defenders. For every game someone remembers of Pat Bev locking someone down there were 10 where a taller longer guard was just eating his lunch. I digress. Neither is/was a great defender but Steph, again being grabby, while grabbing more steals commits more fouls. He's had a lower assist to turn ratio. He still was a phenomenal shooter but he wasn't able to translate his game directly to the pros as fast as Trae. Steph's a pure shooter. Trae's a volume shooter. It's no argument who's best shooter. We're talking all around game at 22, which would be between Steph's rookie and sophomore seasons. And to be fair, I even stretched the comparison to Steph's first year without Monta when he would've been in his 4th year and 25-26 to a 22 year old third year guy. 8 more points, 4 more assist, same rebounds, better assist to turnover, less personal fouls committed. More FTs attempted because he gets into the paint more. These are all things that matter in a basketball game. That's against Steph 4 years older with one more year in the league, just to be fair since Darts keeps screaming about Monta. So what you guys are saying is the the only metric that dictates the skill of a player is shooting percentage. If that's how simplistic you guys' understanding of basketball is then I guess this was a waste.

Mark Jackson did not use Curry properly. Once Kerr took over...magical things happened.

Please don't @me with "on the cusp" crap.

You either get it done, or you don't. Just ask Buck Showalter. He couldn't get it done.

Joe Torre could. 4 times....4 rings....

And to go back to a lost in the shuffle point, I take Luka over Trae all day and felt that way on draft night. He's my favorite kind of player. A true point in a three body. His basketball IQ, facilitation, and passing are worlds beyond Trae. And he's significantly bigger which on that alone makes him the better defender now and in the future. Steph is better now than Trae will ever become. Trae is essentially near his peak already but that wasn't the debate. He said at 22. I gave an objective opinion as a diehare Warrior fan and Oakland homer.

Young continues to make NBA history with his play this postseason. Not only did he become the first Hawks player ever to record 35 points and 10 assists in a playoff game, he also became just the second player in NBA history to score 30 points in each of his first four career playoff road games. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was the other. 


Not Jordan, not Kobe, not Bird, Magic or Iverson, or LBJ, not even Curry ha this record. But the naysayer no-nothings will say, look at his shooting percentages compared to Kareem’s!  

Well being honest if you play yours first playoffs games in your third year on NBA when you skills are near to you pick is obviously. 

Johnson played playoffs in his first year 

Kobe played playoffs in his first year as well 

A different type of defense. Players was rude. Refs allowed more physical contact than the new NBA. You can't compare 

Curry played in his first playoffs when he was older than Young. He was 24. 

Great thing about wagering is put your $ where your mouth is.  now that trae young is better than curry ever was at 22, dishing out and putting up assists, put your ca$h on the hawks.  simple.

cause you can make a lot of $ if you're right.

Jesus Christ, are you illiterate or just lazy. Nobody said "better than Curry ever was." The question was who is better at 22, which is between Curry's 1st and 2nd year.

@StumpTownStu

 Why don't you quit thinking you're the only one who knows what's going on, what other people did, and that you're in a position to determine what other people should say and not say.

It's like an annoying gnat.

You endlessly-endlessly-gotta be right, and if someone doesn't agree with you, well then they got serious problems.  Cause u can't be wrong-heck man u've been watching Step Curry since you were a kid, and everyone else hasn't.

I don't know who you've met, but I would hate to be around a guy that's gotta be 100% right 100% of the time.  There are plenty of people here that know a lot, but you come out as the know-it-all-in-chief.

We're here for conversation, not to be judged from some around-the-block jerk.  Get it?

jmo, take it or leave it (i'm sure you'll leave it)

@StumpTownStu

 The thing is man, Steph Curry shot 44% from 3 at 22, and Trae Young is shooting 34% from 3, but you're here to tell us that Trae was better cause ya know-we're all morons to just look at shooting percentage.  It's not worth your precious time, you say.

Thanks the heads up dude.

@budwiser

 Bud, the only reason my opinion is so strong here is because it's my hometown team so I watched all the games. The Warriors weren't good when Steph was 22. They weren't on national TV a lot. They're a West Coast team so they're on late. I think a lot of people are remembering Steph at 25-26 and not at 22. I'm sorry if actually watching him play gives me a better perspective than most. It was a player on any other team I wouldn't be so vocal.

Anthony Morrow shot 47%. Was he better than Steph? Like i've said to the other guys, it's clear you guys are taking the player Steph was at 26 because you really weren't watching him at 22. Of course Steph shot a better percentage. He's the best shooter of all time. That's all he could do better at 22. I didn't say you are all morons. I just said you guys clearly don't understand basketball from an Xs and Os perspective and clearly weren't watching Steph at 22, which is why all you can do is google shooting percentages. By your argument, Anthony Morrow was better than Steph at 22.

@StumpTownStu

 Those were his stats at 22....only 2 years into the league

Trae Young has had 3 years in the league, late into the year/playoffs.  Steph started to move dramatically in year 4.

34% is an NBA guy off the street trying to make the team, if he's a pure shooter (granted Trae does more than shoot, but his defense sux).  44% is an all-pro in the making.  I don't know what else he did, but if I got a guy shooting 44%-confirmed-at age 22, this guy is an absolute bomb of a player.  And that was back in the day when it was harder to shoot 3's than today.  This is a guy who revolutionized the league, permanently changed it, and this was his start at doing that.

Yeah it's not just shooting 3's.  There's a lot more to basketball.  that said, Russell Westbrook is hanging up triple-doubles and every game you know he's gonna throw up bricks.

jmo, I could be wrong. I've been wrong countless times, today, yesterday, tomorrow, forever.  That's why I'm always listening.

@budwiser

It's all hypothetical... Steph shot 44% from 3 but only averaged 18.6ppg mostly because of deferring shots to Monta Ellis. Curry still played 33 minutes per game so it's not like he wasn't on the floor. IF (and it's a huge IF) Ellis wasn't there, does Curry average somewhere in the high 20s? We'll never know... Curry has only averaged more than 8 assists one time in his career, where Trae has done that every year. Steph's a better shooter, Trae's a better passer. I think in the long run, Trae will be much better as a player if he averaged like 22pts and 12ast and take on a true point guard role. 

D rose was better than the majority of players if not all when they were all younger than 23. What does it matter if trae is better now than when other greats were that age? It surely doesn’t define their career, so what’s the point in arguing?

Nothing against Trae Young but my God-jmo-these threads are over the top.

Let's just see what happens to this conversation after tonight's game.  Been waiting for that..

@GamblinDAWG

 fair enough..agreed.

@ausboss

 been saying that forever.  who cares about comparing age-this-to-that.  doesn't mean s

For example trae may be better right now, but will he have 3 rings ten or less seasons into his career? Will he eventually be challenging for most threes ever made? Who knows, but I surely wouldn’t bet on either.

I agree but that's the question he asked and I did my best to answer objectively. I love Steph Curry. I'm a lifelong Warriors fan. I don't much care for Trae but at 22, Steph was only a better shooter. Trae has a a lower ceiling. Steph progressively got better. I think Trae is who he is going to be right now but at 22, though Steph was phenomenal at Davidson, his college game didn't transfer immediately to the pros. He wasn't strong or explosive enough to finish at the rim. Trae is a better scorer in the paint, something like 12 points to 4. Trae is a better true point, so his assists are significantly higher. Something like 10 to 4. Guys say, "Well, that's not Steph's game..." but make no mistake, he's a point guard. Trae has a better assist:turnover ratio than a young Steph and if you account for usage, Steph turned it over more. Steph's turnovers were sloppier. There's no metric for this but there is a metric for opponent's point off turnovers, which young Steph was worse in. Neither is a good defender, smallish guards rarely are, but while Steph grabs more steals, his grabby style resulted in more personal fouls. Their rebounds at 22 are even. Some will say, "...but Monta..." but if you compare to Steph's numbers in his first full year without Monta, when he was 3 years older than Trae now, they tell the same story. Not saying better in the long run, just better at 22. It is a stupid debate but that's the question that was raised. As someone said, D.Rose was better at 22.