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    ONE1FORMULA
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    Posted: May. 23, 2017 - 10:15 AM ET #301

    last night the whole game over /under was strange the warriors average 116 for the year the spurs 102 for the year so combined they average 221 for the year the two teams average so far in the 2017 play offs average is 229 so I was surprised the line was 218 as a closing line most places yet tonight the over / under is 216 now and the cavs year average is 111 and the Celtics year average is 107 combined is 218  the 2017 series average is 218 so you can see tonights total is very tight I like the over I feel labron will not have two bad games back to back
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    last night the whole game over /under was strange the warriors average 116 for the year the spurs 102 for the year so combined they average 221 for the year the two teams average so far in the 2017 play offs average is 229 so I was surprised the line was 218 as a closing line most places yet tonight the over / under is 216 now and the cavs year average is 111 and the Celtics year average is 107 combined is 218  the 2017 series average is 218 so you can see tonights total is very tight I like the over I feel labron will not have two bad games back to back
     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2017 - 10:38 AM ET #302

    Quote Originally Posted by ONE1FORMULA:

    last night the whole game over /under was strange the warriors average 116 for the year the spurs 102 for the year so combined they average 221 for the year the two teams average so far in the 2017 play offs average is 229 so I was surprised the line was 218 as a closing line most places yet tonight the over / under is 216 now and the cavs year average is 111 and the Celtics year average is 107 combined is 218  the 2017 series average is 218 so you can see tonights total is very tight I like the over I feel labron will not have two bad games back to back

    LeBron might score over 30 points but do you think the Celtics will score another 18 three point shooters and won't miss a few?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ONE1FORMULA:

    last night the whole game over /under was strange the warriors average 116 for the year the spurs 102 for the year so combined they average 221 for the year the two teams average so far in the 2017 play offs average is 229 so I was surprised the line was 218 as a closing line most places yet tonight the over / under is 216 now and the cavs year average is 111 and the Celtics year average is 107 combined is 218  the 2017 series average is 218 so you can see tonights total is very tight I like the over I feel labron will not have two bad games back to back

    LeBron might score over 30 points but do you think the Celtics will score another 18 three point shooters and won't miss a few?

     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2017 - 8:05 PM ET #303

    Celtics/Cavs UNDER 218.5  ---  2.2 units
    UNDER 106.5 1st half --- 1.1 units


    Wait-out the line on Celtics , see if we can get +16 and +12 1st half. 
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    Celtics/Cavs UNDER 218.5  ---  2.2 units
    UNDER 106.5 1st half --- 1.1 units


    Wait-out the line on Celtics , see if we can get +16 and +12 1st half. 
     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2017 - 8:07 PM ET #304

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    Posted: May. 23, 2017 - 8:24 PM ET #305

    Bingo............................................

    Celtics +16 over Cavs --- 2.2 units
    Celtics +12 1st half --- 1.1 units

    Both those Cavs juiced at -115 with the 115.5 and 11.5 so thought we had a good chance to go higher.


    LEAN --- Celtics ML 1st half +840

    Cavs in regression mode could carry over to 1st half and Celtics could lead at halftime.

    Cavs likely win the game but could be very close but Cavs should pull it out if it's that close.
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    Bingo............................................

    Celtics +16 over Cavs --- 2.2 units
    Celtics +12 1st half --- 1.1 units

    Both those Cavs juiced at -115 with the 115.5 and 11.5 so thought we had a good chance to go higher.


    LEAN --- Celtics ML 1st half +840

    Cavs in regression mode could carry over to 1st half and Celtics could lead at halftime.

    Cavs likely win the game but could be very close but Cavs should pull it out if it's that close.
     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2017 - 8:27 PM ET #306

    I grabbed plus 16 tonight as well.... Celtics 
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    I grabbed plus 16 tonight as well.... Celtics 
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 7:10 AM ET #307

    game --- 1-0 ATS, won 2 units
    1st half 1-0 ATS, won 1 unit

    totals 2-0, won 3 units

    leans --- 1-0 with a +840 ML.



    game 5 I could see going either way, may pass on the game.
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    game --- 1-0 ATS, won 2 units
    1st half 1-0 ATS, won 1 unit

    totals 2-0, won 3 units

    leans --- 1-0 with a +840 ML.



    game 5 I could see going either way, may pass on the game.
     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2017 - 7:39 AM ET #308

       Well done Claw.
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       Well done Claw.
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 7:40 AM ET #309

    MY LINES....................game 5

    Celtics -3.43 over Cavs

    Thomas out and we know Cavs are much better then regular season.

    Cavs off 2 ATS losses but Celtics off 2 ATS home losses and back at home.

    What are the chances the home team losses every game ATS this series ?

    What are the chances Cavs lose 3 straight ATS ?

    The better chance is Cavs losing 3 straight ATS. This does happen with teams off entering the  "regression zone"  but the 3rd game is the lowest % game of the 3 unless the team is 1-1 ATS coming into that 3rd game which the Cavs are 0-2 ATS. 

    Very interesting about regression, once a team gets that 3 ATS loss then it is time to back them ATS the next 3 games, which means if Cavs lose ATS tonight that sets-up a great spot to back them game 1 of the finals.

    And with the Warriors off 3 ATS wins and a 36 pt blowout win, their largest win off the playoffs that is a great spot to back the Cavs as well.

    That 36 pt win for Warriors came when ? In the exact same spot as the Cavs will be in game 1 of finals if they lose ATS game 5.

    Warriors enter "regression zone" coming into Jazz series, lost 2 straight ATS then won 2 straight then lost game 1 VS Spurs, their 3rd loss, what happened next ? 36 pt blow-out win, their largest win of the playoffs, and they won 3 straight ATS, very common over history.

    Unfortunately guys I just missed that play and still kicking myself over it as I have so many different methods and little time between games to keep up sometimes I miss a few  things each year , very aggravating to say the least.

    This is also why I am very confident the fix is not in because these games continue to play-out the same ways decade after decade and they do it in every sport I track in very similar ways , now, how would that be possible ? 

    Is the fix so sophisticated that all the different leagues are into it together to fix the exact same spots ?

    Or is it math ?
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    MY LINES....................game 5

    Celtics -3.43 over Cavs

    Thomas out and we know Cavs are much better then regular season.

    Cavs off 2 ATS losses but Celtics off 2 ATS home losses and back at home.

    What are the chances the home team losses every game ATS this series ?

    What are the chances Cavs lose 3 straight ATS ?

    The better chance is Cavs losing 3 straight ATS. This does happen with teams off entering the  "regression zone"  but the 3rd game is the lowest % game of the 3 unless the team is 1-1 ATS coming into that 3rd game which the Cavs are 0-2 ATS. 

    Very interesting about regression, once a team gets that 3 ATS loss then it is time to back them ATS the next 3 games, which means if Cavs lose ATS tonight that sets-up a great spot to back them game 1 of the finals.

    And with the Warriors off 3 ATS wins and a 36 pt blowout win, their largest win off the playoffs that is a great spot to back the Cavs as well.

    That 36 pt win for Warriors came when ? In the exact same spot as the Cavs will be in game 1 of finals if they lose ATS game 5.

    Warriors enter "regression zone" coming into Jazz series, lost 2 straight ATS then won 2 straight then lost game 1 VS Spurs, their 3rd loss, what happened next ? 36 pt blow-out win, their largest win of the playoffs, and they won 3 straight ATS, very common over history.

    Unfortunately guys I just missed that play and still kicking myself over it as I have so many different methods and little time between games to keep up sometimes I miss a few  things each year , very aggravating to say the least.

    This is also why I am very confident the fix is not in because these games continue to play-out the same ways decade after decade and they do it in every sport I track in very similar ways , now, how would that be possible ? 

    Is the fix so sophisticated that all the different leagues are into it together to fix the exact same spots ?

    Or is it math ?
     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2017 - 7:52 AM ET #310

    LEAN --- Celtics 
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    LEAN --- Celtics 
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2017 - 10:06 AM ET #311

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    MY LINES....................game 5

    Celtics -3.43 over Cavs

    Thomas out and we know Cavs are much better then regular season.

    Cavs off 2 ATS losses but Celtics off 2 ATS home losses and back at home.

    What are the chances the home team losses every game ATS this series ?

    What are the chances Cavs lose 3 straight ATS ?

    The better chance is Cavs losing 3 straight ATS. This does happen with teams off entering the  "regression zone"  but the 3rd game is the lowest % game of the 3 unless the team is 1-1 ATS coming into that 3rd game which the Cavs are 0-2 ATS. 

    Very interesting about regression, once a team gets that 3 ATS loss then it is time to back them ATS the next 3 games, which means if Cavs lose ATS tonight that sets-up a great spot to back them game 1 of the finals.

    And with the Warriors off 3 ATS wins and a 36 pt blowout win, their largest win off the playoffs that is a great spot to back the Cavs as well.

    That 36 pt win for Warriors came when ? In the exact same spot as the Cavs will be in game 1 of finals if they lose ATS game 5.

    Warriors enter "regression zone" coming into Jazz series, lost 2 straight ATS then won 2 straight then lost game 1 VS Spurs, their 3rd loss, what happened next ? 36 pt blow-out win, their largest win of the playoffs, and they won 3 straight ATS, very common over history.

    Unfortunately guys I just missed that play and still kicking myself over it as I have so many different methods and little time between games to keep up sometimes I miss a few  things each year , very aggravating to say the least.

    This is also why I am very confident the fix is not in because these games continue to play-out the same ways decade after decade and they do it in every sport I track in very similar ways , now, how would that be possible ? 

    Is the fix so sophisticated that all the different leagues are into it together to fix the exact same spots ?

    Or is it math ?

    I love you Claw -- and most years your numbers are perfect -- but as I showed you the Cavs faked regular season and outperformed your evaluation all but 1 game this playoffs -- they were 36 points off you expectation last night
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    MY LINES....................game 5

    Celtics -3.43 over Cavs

    Thomas out and we know Cavs are much better then regular season.

    Cavs off 2 ATS losses but Celtics off 2 ATS home losses and back at home.

    What are the chances the home team losses every game ATS this series ?

    What are the chances Cavs lose 3 straight ATS ?

    The better chance is Cavs losing 3 straight ATS. This does happen with teams off entering the  "regression zone"  but the 3rd game is the lowest % game of the 3 unless the team is 1-1 ATS coming into that 3rd game which the Cavs are 0-2 ATS. 

    Very interesting about regression, once a team gets that 3 ATS loss then it is time to back them ATS the next 3 games, which means if Cavs lose ATS tonight that sets-up a great spot to back them game 1 of the finals.

    And with the Warriors off 3 ATS wins and a 36 pt blowout win, their largest win off the playoffs that is a great spot to back the Cavs as well.

    That 36 pt win for Warriors came when ? In the exact same spot as the Cavs will be in game 1 of finals if they lose ATS game 5.

    Warriors enter "regression zone" coming into Jazz series, lost 2 straight ATS then won 2 straight then lost game 1 VS Spurs, their 3rd loss, what happened next ? 36 pt blow-out win, their largest win of the playoffs, and they won 3 straight ATS, very common over history.

    Unfortunately guys I just missed that play and still kicking myself over it as I have so many different methods and little time between games to keep up sometimes I miss a few  things each year , very aggravating to say the least.

    This is also why I am very confident the fix is not in because these games continue to play-out the same ways decade after decade and they do it in every sport I track in very similar ways , now, how would that be possible ? 

    Is the fix so sophisticated that all the different leagues are into it together to fix the exact same spots ?

    Or is it math ?

    I love you Claw -- and most years your numbers are perfect -- but as I showed you the Cavs faked regular season and outperformed your evaluation all but 1 game this playoffs -- they were 36 points off you expectation last night
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2017 - 2:41 PM ET #312

    Great job sir 
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    Wonderful work, Claw

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    Wonderful work, Claw

     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2017 - 7:20 AM ET #314

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:


    I love you Claw -- and most years your numbers are perfect -- but as I showed you the Cavs faked regular season and outperformed your evaluation all but 1 game this playoffs -- they were 36 points off you expectation last night

    No question Cavs better then regular season and reason I passed on game with only a lean.

    I will have alot more info on teams like the Cavs coming soon. And we can see what LBJ and Cavs have done is nothing out of ordinary but hard to predict.
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    I love you Claw -- and most years your numbers are perfect -- but as I showed you the Cavs faked regular season and outperformed your evaluation all but 1 game this playoffs -- they were 36 points off you expectation last night

    No question Cavs better then regular season and reason I passed on game with only a lean.

    I will have alot more info on teams like the Cavs coming soon. And we can see what LBJ and Cavs have done is nothing out of ordinary but hard to predict.
     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2017 - 7:21 AM ET #315

    Quote Originally Posted by bum:

    Wonderful work, Claw



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    Quote Originally Posted by bum:

    Wonderful work, Claw



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    Posted: May. 27, 2017 - 7:22 AM ET #316

    Quote Originally Posted by prestige33:

    Great job sir 

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    Posted: May. 27, 2017 - 7:32 AM ET #317

    LEANS --- 0-1 ATS


    Cavs now off a 33 pt blowout win, 
    Warriors off 3 ATS wins and a blowout 36 pt win.

    Cavs a better play off their 3rd ATS loss coming out of regression.

    Warriors off 3 ATS losses game 1 of series. Great spot to back a powerhouse team like the Warriors.


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    LEANS --- 0-1 ATS


    Cavs now off a 33 pt blowout win, 
    Warriors off 3 ATS wins and a blowout 36 pt win.

    Cavs a better play off their 3rd ATS loss coming out of regression.

    Warriors off 3 ATS losses game 1 of series. Great spot to back a powerhouse team like the Warriors.


     
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    any insight into your units up/down since start of playoffs? 
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    Good luck Claw -- hope you have a great finals
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    NBA FINALS......................................

    PR I
    Warriors 11.6..................Warriors by 8.55
    Cavs 3.05

    better by 1.5 or more since 1980 --- 20-5 at winning the series

    My Lines........................game 1 - Warriors -12.55


    PR II
    Warriors 55.25................Warriors by 4.38
    Cavs 50.87

    better by .75 or more since 1980 --- 24-6 at winning the series
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    NBA FINALS......................................

    PR I
    Warriors 11.6..................Warriors by 8.55
    Cavs 3.05

    better by 1.5 or more since 1980 --- 20-5 at winning the series

    My Lines........................game 1 - Warriors -12.55


    PR II
    Warriors 55.25................Warriors by 4.38
    Cavs 50.87

    better by .75 or more since 1980 --- 24-6 at winning the series
     
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    We know Cavs are much better then regular season says, since 2001 when the Lakers played weak in regular season and exploded in the playoffs I began tracking playoff only stats.

    And since have developed a playoff only rating based on common denominators of winning teams and teams that pulled upsets like 2004 Pistons and 2006 Heat.


    PLAYOFF ONLY RATING.................................

    Warriors 83.74...........................Warriors by 3.26
    Cavs 80.38

    teams 2 pts or better since 2001 --- 6-2 at winning series
    teams 3 pts or better --- 4-1 at winning the series


    When regular season and playoffs are on different teams ----- 5-3 for playoff only rating

    When both are on same team --- 6-0 winning the series 


    Warriors 83.74 is the best since 1980 beating the 2001 Lakers 75.31. and the Cavs beat that as well.
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    We know Cavs are much better then regular season says, since 2001 when the Lakers played weak in regular season and exploded in the playoffs I began tracking playoff only stats.

    And since have developed a playoff only rating based on common denominators of winning teams and teams that pulled upsets like 2004 Pistons and 2006 Heat.


    PLAYOFF ONLY RATING.................................

    Warriors 83.74...........................Warriors by 3.26
    Cavs 80.38

    teams 2 pts or better since 2001 --- 6-2 at winning series
    teams 3 pts or better --- 4-1 at winning the series


    When regular season and playoffs are on different teams ----- 5-3 for playoff only rating

    When both are on same team --- 6-0 winning the series 


    Warriors 83.74 is the best since 1980 beating the 2001 Lakers 75.31. and the Cavs beat that as well.
     
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    Interestingly, last year it was the Cavs favored in the playoff only ratings by over 3 pts and they were as well in 2015 but by less then 2 pts which does not seem to be a s big a deal being under 2 pts.

    But this year is a completely different story as it's the Warriors who have played much better in postseason.

    Shooting effienicy seems to be key based on playoff only.

    Warriors out-shot opps by 8.71 %........... Cavs by 7.57 %

    Teams better by 1 % ---- 5-1 at winning series since 2001

    2015 Finals.................................

    Warriors 3.24 %
    Cavs 3.36 %

    2016 Finals............................

    Warriors 4.78 %
    Cavs 4.88%

    Almost dead even both past 2 years but it's the Warriors who have taken a huge step-up over Cavs this season.

    REBOUNDING..................................

    regular season.........Warriors 48.85 %....Cavs 48.9%

    playoffs ................Cavs 50.1%.......Warriors 48.8%

    Both teams were weak rebounding teams in regular season with the Cavs improving far more in playoffs.

    What we find consistently since 2001 is teams dramatically improving in playoffs who have played weak rebounding teams do not do well in the finals. Beating bad rebounding teams at rebounds makes a team seem better then they are and is not a good indicator in finals.


    CAVS PLAYOFF OPPS................................

    Pacers 48.3% rebs in regular season
    Raps 50.65%
    Celtics 48.3%

    Celtics and Pacers easily the 2 worst rebounding teams in the playoffs, does not bode well for Cavs.


    WARRIORS PLAYOFF OPPS..............................

    Blazers 49.9%
    Jazz 51.05%
    Spurs 50.8%

    Warriors played 2 teams almost at 51% while Cavs played 2 teams almost 48%.
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    Interestingly, last year it was the Cavs favored in the playoff only ratings by over 3 pts and they were as well in 2015 but by less then 2 pts which does not seem to be a s big a deal being under 2 pts.

    But this year is a completely different story as it's the Warriors who have played much better in postseason.

    Shooting effienicy seems to be key based on playoff only.

    Warriors out-shot opps by 8.71 %........... Cavs by 7.57 %

    Teams better by 1 % ---- 5-1 at winning series since 2001

    2015 Finals.................................

    Warriors 3.24 %
    Cavs 3.36 %

    2016 Finals............................

    Warriors 4.78 %
    Cavs 4.88%

    Almost dead even both past 2 years but it's the Warriors who have taken a huge step-up over Cavs this season.

    REBOUNDING..................................

    regular season.........Warriors 48.85 %....Cavs 48.9%

    playoffs ................Cavs 50.1%.......Warriors 48.8%

    Both teams were weak rebounding teams in regular season with the Cavs improving far more in playoffs.

    What we find consistently since 2001 is teams dramatically improving in playoffs who have played weak rebounding teams do not do well in the finals. Beating bad rebounding teams at rebounds makes a team seem better then they are and is not a good indicator in finals.


    CAVS PLAYOFF OPPS................................

    Pacers 48.3% rebs in regular season
    Raps 50.65%
    Celtics 48.3%

    Celtics and Pacers easily the 2 worst rebounding teams in the playoffs, does not bode well for Cavs.


    WARRIORS PLAYOFF OPPS..............................

    Blazers 49.9%
    Jazz 51.05%
    Spurs 50.8%

    Warriors played 2 teams almost at 51% while Cavs played 2 teams almost 48%.
     
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    REGULAR SEASON SHOOTING EFFEINICY............

    Warriors --- (off) 51.22 - (def) 44.82 = 6.4%
    Cavs --- 50.04 - 48.07 = 1.97%

    REBOUNDS..............................

    Cavs 48.9 %
    Warriors 48.85%

    Better def team in shooting effeinicy --- 23-14 since 1980
    Better off team --- 20-17 since 1980

    Better def team by 1% --- 11-3
    Better off team by 1% --- 14-11

    Better team by 1% or more in shooting EFF --- 15-4


    The info strongly suggest defense wins championship not offense.

    OK, we know Cavs are better then regular season, so let's compare playoffs and see exactly where the Cavs biggest improvement came from during their playoff run.


    Cavs regular season.... 50.04- 48.07
    Cavs playoff only --- 54.74% - 47.17%

    Cavs improved a small amount on def by less then 1% but their huge improvement was on the offensive side of the ball, a whopping 4.7% improvement.

    The Cavs improvements  in playoffs come from offense and beating weak rebounding teams at rebounding.

    Both areas are not good indicators for the Cavs in the finals.

    And let's remember, Warriors have been on a mission since losing to the Cavs the way they did last year, Green suspension, Bogurt injury and Curry possibly not 100% and blowing a 3-1 lead.

    And when you give the better team that extra incentive to win it usually bodes quite well for them.


    IT'S ALL WARRIORS IN THIS YEARS NBA FINALS.............................
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    REGULAR SEASON SHOOTING EFFEINICY............

    Warriors --- (off) 51.22 - (def) 44.82 = 6.4%
    Cavs --- 50.04 - 48.07 = 1.97%

    REBOUNDS..............................

    Cavs 48.9 %
    Warriors 48.85%

    Better def team in shooting effeinicy --- 23-14 since 1980
    Better off team --- 20-17 since 1980

    Better def team by 1% --- 11-3
    Better off team by 1% --- 14-11

    Better team by 1% or more in shooting EFF --- 15-4


    The info strongly suggest defense wins championship not offense.

    OK, we know Cavs are better then regular season, so let's compare playoffs and see exactly where the Cavs biggest improvement came from during their playoff run.


    Cavs regular season.... 50.04- 48.07
    Cavs playoff only --- 54.74% - 47.17%

    Cavs improved a small amount on def by less then 1% but their huge improvement was on the offensive side of the ball, a whopping 4.7% improvement.

    The Cavs improvements  in playoffs come from offense and beating weak rebounding teams at rebounding.

    Both areas are not good indicators for the Cavs in the finals.

    And let's remember, Warriors have been on a mission since losing to the Cavs the way they did last year, Green suspension, Bogurt injury and Curry possibly not 100% and blowing a 3-1 lead.

    And when you give the better team that extra incentive to win it usually bodes quite well for them.


    IT'S ALL WARRIORS IN THIS YEARS NBA FINALS.............................
     
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    I would look for the unders to come in as Cavs 54.75% shooting is not sustainable VS a far better defensive team but now with all these overs coming in the total pts is being jacked-up should give us value on the under.

    Game pace is up from last years playoffs , FG% is up on 2 pt shots and up on 3 pt shots only slightly but what is up dramatically is 3 pt atts.

    Last year saw 9 teams taKe under 30% of all their shots as 3 pters. 

    This year just 4 teams took under 30% of all shots as 3pt atts IN PLAYOFFS

    Rockets went from 33.3% last years playoffs to a whopping 45.2 % this year.
    Blazers from 35.1 to 38 %.
    Celtics from 35.2% to 41.3%.
    Cavs from 37% to 41.3 %
    Warriors from 37.9 to 36.4, yea they took slightly more 2's.
    Spurs from 23.2 to 28.2

    Just think not so many years ago the Spurs 28.2% would have been one of the highest % of 3 point shots in history but today pales in comparison to what other teams are doing and one of only 4 teams under 30%.

    Crazy what the game has become. 

    I still think the Warriors have the best balance between 2 pt and 3 pt  shots, taking to many 3's is still not a good thing, it's to difficult to be consistent from long range but maybe players  are getting so much better they can be more consistent  but I'm not sold on it at this time.

    Look what the great 3 pr shooting Warriors did last year when they lost a 3-1 lead.

    Warriors are very likely the best 3 pt shooting team in history and had moments of failure.

    Look what happened to Spurs in 2013 when Green and Neal both shot lights-out on 3's, over 60% or such great shooting,   then in games 6 and 7 shot like 18%. Spurs grabbed the lead in series when they shot lights-out but lost when they could not sustain that torrid pace they were on.

    And once a team shots well on 3's they will not stop because they missed a few, and then when that turns into 18% with many attempts it will not bode so well for the team.

    we very well could see this playout for the Cavs who likely will not sustain what they've done on 3's up to now.

    Live by the 3 die by the 3

    Warriors just have the better balance between 2's and 3's and are the better 3 pt shooting team
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    I would look for the unders to come in as Cavs 54.75% shooting is not sustainable VS a far better defensive team but now with all these overs coming in the total pts is being jacked-up should give us value on the under.

    Game pace is up from last years playoffs , FG% is up on 2 pt shots and up on 3 pt shots only slightly but what is up dramatically is 3 pt atts.

    Last year saw 9 teams taKe under 30% of all their shots as 3 pters. 

    This year just 4 teams took under 30% of all shots as 3pt atts IN PLAYOFFS

    Rockets went from 33.3% last years playoffs to a whopping 45.2 % this year.
    Blazers from 35.1 to 38 %.
    Celtics from 35.2% to 41.3%.
    Cavs from 37% to 41.3 %
    Warriors from 37.9 to 36.4, yea they took slightly more 2's.
    Spurs from 23.2 to 28.2

    Just think not so many years ago the Spurs 28.2% would have been one of the highest % of 3 point shots in history but today pales in comparison to what other teams are doing and one of only 4 teams under 30%.

    Crazy what the game has become. 

    I still think the Warriors have the best balance between 2 pt and 3 pt  shots, taking to many 3's is still not a good thing, it's to difficult to be consistent from long range but maybe players  are getting so much better they can be more consistent  but I'm not sold on it at this time.

    Look what the great 3 pr shooting Warriors did last year when they lost a 3-1 lead.

    Warriors are very likely the best 3 pt shooting team in history and had moments of failure.

    Look what happened to Spurs in 2013 when Green and Neal both shot lights-out on 3's, over 60% or such great shooting,   then in games 6 and 7 shot like 18%. Spurs grabbed the lead in series when they shot lights-out but lost when they could not sustain that torrid pace they were on.

    And once a team shots well on 3's they will not stop because they missed a few, and then when that turns into 18% with many attempts it will not bode so well for the team.

    we very well could see this playout for the Cavs who likely will not sustain what they've done on 3's up to now.

    Live by the 3 die by the 3

    Warriors just have the better balance between 2's and 3's and are the better 3 pt shooting team
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    I would look for the unders to come in as Cavs 54.75% shooting is not sustainable VS a far better defensive team but now with all these overs coming in the total pts is being jacked-up should give us value on the under.

    Game pace is up from last years playoffs , FG% is up on 2 pt shots and up on 3 pt shots only slightly but what is up dramatically is 3 pt atts.

    Last year saw 9 teams taKe under 30% of all their shots as 3 pters. 

    This year just 4 teams took under 30% of all shots as 3pt atts IN PLAYOFFS

    Rockets went from 33.3% last years playoffs to a whopping 45.2 % this year.
    Blazers from 35.1 to 38 %.
    Celtics from 35.2% to 41.3%.
    Cavs from 37% to 41.3 %
    Warriors from 37.9 to 36.4, yea they took slightly more 2's.
    Spurs from 23.2 to 28.2

    Just think not so many years ago the Spurs 28.2% would have been one of the highest % of 3 point shots in history but today pales in comparison to what other teams are doing and one of only 4 teams under 30%.

    Crazy what the game has become. 

    I still think the Warriors have the best balance between 2 pt and 3 pt  shots, taking to many 3's is still not a good thing, it's to difficult to be consistent from long range but maybe players  are getting so much better they can be more consistent  but I'm not sold on it at this time.

    Look what the great 3 pr shooting Warriors did last year when they lost a 3-1 lead.

    Warriors are very likely the best 3 pt shooting team in history and had moments of failure.

    Look what happened to Spurs in 2013 when Green and Neal both shot lights-out on 3's, over 60% or such great shooting,   then in games 6 and 7 shot like 18%. Spurs grabbed the lead in series when they shot lights-out but lost when they could not sustain that torrid pace they were on.

    And once a team shots well on 3's they will not stop because they missed a few, and then when that turns into 18% with many attempts it will not bode so well for the team.

    we very well could see this playout for the Cavs who likely will not sustain what they've done on 3's up to now.

    Live by the 3 die by the 3

    Warriors just have the better balance between 2's and 3's and are the better 3 pt shooting team

    I like a lot of what I read from you but this post is especially good. It makes total sense. It very well could be the diffference this year in the finals. Both teams shoot the 3 very well but it seems as if the dubs do not rely on it as much as the Cavs do. Unless the Cavs all of the sudden transform their game, they could have some issues. Any information on rebounds and transition points because I feel whoever controls these two stats will increase their chances greatly as well?With these two teams being as good as they are, we will have to find as many chinks in the armor as possible here. Good stuff claw

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    I would look for the unders to come in as Cavs 54.75% shooting is not sustainable VS a far better defensive team but now with all these overs coming in the total pts is being jacked-up should give us value on the under.

    Game pace is up from last years playoffs , FG% is up on 2 pt shots and up on 3 pt shots only slightly but what is up dramatically is 3 pt atts.

    Last year saw 9 teams taKe under 30% of all their shots as 3 pters. 

    This year just 4 teams took under 30% of all shots as 3pt atts IN PLAYOFFS

    Rockets went from 33.3% last years playoffs to a whopping 45.2 % this year.
    Blazers from 35.1 to 38 %.
    Celtics from 35.2% to 41.3%.
    Cavs from 37% to 41.3 %
    Warriors from 37.9 to 36.4, yea they took slightly more 2's.
    Spurs from 23.2 to 28.2

    Just think not so many years ago the Spurs 28.2% would have been one of the highest % of 3 point shots in history but today pales in comparison to what other teams are doing and one of only 4 teams under 30%.

    Crazy what the game has become. 

    I still think the Warriors have the best balance between 2 pt and 3 pt  shots, taking to many 3's is still not a good thing, it's to difficult to be consistent from long range but maybe players  are getting so much better they can be more consistent  but I'm not sold on it at this time.

    Look what the great 3 pr shooting Warriors did last year when they lost a 3-1 lead.

    Warriors are very likely the best 3 pt shooting team in history and had moments of failure.

    Look what happened to Spurs in 2013 when Green and Neal both shot lights-out on 3's, over 60% or such great shooting,   then in games 6 and 7 shot like 18%. Spurs grabbed the lead in series when they shot lights-out but lost when they could not sustain that torrid pace they were on.

    And once a team shots well on 3's they will not stop because they missed a few, and then when that turns into 18% with many attempts it will not bode so well for the team.

    we very well could see this playout for the Cavs who likely will not sustain what they've done on 3's up to now.

    Live by the 3 die by the 3

    Warriors just have the better balance between 2's and 3's and are the better 3 pt shooting team

    I like a lot of what I read from you but this post is especially good. It makes total sense. It very well could be the diffference this year in the finals. Both teams shoot the 3 very well but it seems as if the dubs do not rely on it as much as the Cavs do. Unless the Cavs all of the sudden transform their game, they could have some issues. Any information on rebounds and transition points because I feel whoever controls these two stats will increase their chances greatly as well?With these two teams being as good as they are, we will have to find as many chinks in the armor as possible here. Good stuff claw

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