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    Lebron James is 1000x better than Michael Jordan

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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2013 - 11:55 PM ET #501

    Quote Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:

    Because they know how to play defense when they need to.


    Exactly!

    Even the foul Parker had to give when he was outmatched on LeBron knowing his team still had 1 left...champion players with high basketball IQ who know what it takes to close out pressure games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:

    Because they know how to play defense when they need to.


    Exactly!

    Even the foul Parker had to give when he was outmatched on LeBron knowing his team still had 1 left...champion players with high basketball IQ who know what it takes to close out pressure games.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2013 - 11:58 PM ET #502

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbys_pregame:



    Exactly!

    Even the foul Parker had to give when he was outmatched on LeBron knowing his team still had 1 left...champion players with high basketball IQ who know what it takes to close out pressure games.

    Exactly, smarter players and so much more well coached than that Vogel led Pacers team.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbys_pregame:



    Exactly!

    Even the foul Parker had to give when he was outmatched on LeBron knowing his team still had 1 left...champion players with high basketball IQ who know what it takes to close out pressure games.

    Exactly, smarter players and so much more well coached than that Vogel led Pacers team.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 10:07 AM ET #503

    question answered last night....Jordan never dissappeared in the 4th qtr of a Finals.
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    question answered last night....Jordan never dissappeared in the 4th qtr of a Finals.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:03 PM ET #504

    Quote Originally Posted by kevmode:

    Probably the worst 1st post of all time in any forum congrats!

    No PROBABLY - but DEFINITELY the worst 1st Post !   Acting as if Michael Jordan is an inferior player is borderline sacreligious.  Michael schooled every top player of his day.  I was fortunate to have seen him play in person and so many times on the tube.  His rivalry with Reggie Miller and those Pacers was monumental and then vs. the Knicks, anyone here saying LeBron is better has NO CLUE about basketball nor it's rich History.  Jordan would beat LeBron in a one on one game 7 out of 10 times were they to play, and that's being respectful of LeBrons abilities.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevmode:

    Probably the worst 1st post of all time in any forum congrats!

    No PROBABLY - but DEFINITELY the worst 1st Post !   Acting as if Michael Jordan is an inferior player is borderline sacreligious.  Michael schooled every top player of his day.  I was fortunate to have seen him play in person and so many times on the tube.  His rivalry with Reggie Miller and those Pacers was monumental and then vs. the Knicks, anyone here saying LeBron is better has NO CLUE about basketball nor it's rich History.  Jordan would beat LeBron in a one on one game 7 out of 10 times were they to play, and that's being respectful of LeBrons abilities.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:13 PM ET #505

    Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Scottie Pippen, Chris Mullin, Isaiah Thomas, Reggie Miller and Dennis Rodman 

    How can you say this list of players could possibly be weaker than the players Lebron plays against.  If there were a weaker defensive time period it would be today's lineup !  Not the 90's
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    Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Scottie Pippen, Chris Mullin, Isaiah Thomas, Reggie Miller and Dennis Rodman 

    How can you say this list of players could possibly be weaker than the players Lebron plays against.  If there were a weaker defensive time period it would be today's lineup !  Not the 90's
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:26 PM ET #506

    Quote Originally Posted by jk-time:

    Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Scottie Pippen, Chris Mullin, Isaiah Thomas, Reggie Miller and Dennis Rodman 

    How can you say this list of players could possibly be weaker than the players Lebron plays against.  If there were a weaker defensive time period it would be today's lineup !  Not the 90's


    THOSE PLAYERS WERE GREAT BUT THE REST WERE GARBAGE HONESTLY I FIND DEFENSE MORE BETTER THEN BEFORE BECUZ OF MORE FILM AND MORE SCOUTS....BUT I DO AGREE BASKETBALL IQ IS MUCH BETTER BACK THN
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    Quote Originally Posted by jk-time:

    Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Scottie Pippen, Chris Mullin, Isaiah Thomas, Reggie Miller and Dennis Rodman 

    How can you say this list of players could possibly be weaker than the players Lebron plays against.  If there were a weaker defensive time period it would be today's lineup !  Not the 90's


    THOSE PLAYERS WERE GREAT BUT THE REST WERE GARBAGE HONESTLY I FIND DEFENSE MORE BETTER THEN BEFORE BECUZ OF MORE FILM AND MORE SCOUTS....BUT I DO AGREE BASKETBALL IQ IS MUCH BETTER BACK THN
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 12:56 PM ET #507

    Quote Originally Posted by For_The_Books:



    THOSE PLAYERS WERE GREAT BUT THE REST WERE GARBAGE HONESTLY I FIND DEFENSE MORE BETTER THEN BEFORE BECUZ OF MORE FILM AND MORE SCOUTS....BUT I DO AGREE BASKETBALL IQ IS MUCH BETTER BACK THN

    Defense is much worse now and it's not close.   Not only is the overall quality of defenders and team defense worse now, the current NBA rules favor the offense.  So even the best defenders today can't play physical defense without being called for a foul.  .  And they had scouts and film in the 90's ha
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    THOSE PLAYERS WERE GREAT BUT THE REST WERE GARBAGE HONESTLY I FIND DEFENSE MORE BETTER THEN BEFORE BECUZ OF MORE FILM AND MORE SCOUTS....BUT I DO AGREE BASKETBALL IQ IS MUCH BETTER BACK THN

    Defense is much worse now and it's not close.   Not only is the overall quality of defenders and team defense worse now, the current NBA rules favor the offense.  So even the best defenders today can't play physical defense without being called for a foul.  .  And they had scouts and film in the 90's ha
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2013 - 11:11 PM ET #508

    There is one knock on the era of the 90s that no one ever tends to bring up. and thats expansion. They added miami, otown, charlotte, minnesota and later a couple canadian squads. From 88 on it started diluting the game just a bit with inferior teams and players who may not have belonged in the NBA.

    Two things happened during that time that changed the landscape. A large influx of not only Europen talent, but players from other parts of the world as well. China had a superpower at one point in Yao. (Obviously that came later like). But also the league took away the defensive hand check and tweaked its rules to favor offense.

    I believe the youth system in the US needs to improve. The team got a lucky break during this Redeem Team era but overall I think more needs to be done and the AAU level needs strengthening. Comparing era's is always fun and having seen both, basketball was just better back in the day.

    Ewing, Mourning, Shaq, Robinson, Hakeem, Mt. MutomboMalone, Barkley, Rodman, Kemp, Pippen ,Miller, Mullin, Jordan, Drexler, Dumars, Stockton, Payton, Kidd,

     

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    There is one knock on the era of the 90s that no one ever tends to bring up. and thats expansion. They added miami, otown, charlotte, minnesota and later a couple canadian squads. From 88 on it started diluting the game just a bit with inferior teams and players who may not have belonged in the NBA.

    Two things happened during that time that changed the landscape. A large influx of not only Europen talent, but players from other parts of the world as well. China had a superpower at one point in Yao. (Obviously that came later like). But also the league took away the defensive hand check and tweaked its rules to favor offense.

    I believe the youth system in the US needs to improve. The team got a lucky break during this Redeem Team era but overall I think more needs to be done and the AAU level needs strengthening. Comparing era's is always fun and having seen both, basketball was just better back in the day.

    Ewing, Mourning, Shaq, Robinson, Hakeem, Mt. MutomboMalone, Barkley, Rodman, Kemp, Pippen ,Miller, Mullin, Jordan, Drexler, Dumars, Stockton, Payton, Kidd,

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2013 - 2:04 PM ET #509

    Back then in the 80s - 90s defense was without physique. Today ALL basketballers have a much better physique, thats why its harder as a strong athlete to look good. U know what? LeBron would have friggin crushed the league back then with the physique he has. He would crush Michael Jordan.

    If they were to play in the league today, id rate Pippen - LBJ and Kobe over MJ. And KD is a better scorer than MJ is as well if he played in the league back then. He would average 45 pts or some crazy behind shiat in the regular season. It would be outstanding.

    I dont see KD becoming better than King Jordan, hes too soft. If he steps up his ballgame maybe, but until then only LeBron is better.
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    Back then in the 80s - 90s defense was without physique. Today ALL basketballers have a much better physique, thats why its harder as a strong athlete to look good. U know what? LeBron would have friggin crushed the league back then with the physique he has. He would crush Michael Jordan.

    If they were to play in the league today, id rate Pippen - LBJ and Kobe over MJ. And KD is a better scorer than MJ is as well if he played in the league back then. He would average 45 pts or some crazy behind shiat in the regular season. It would be outstanding.

    I dont see KD becoming better than King Jordan, hes too soft. If he steps up his ballgame maybe, but until then only LeBron is better.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2013 - 3:30 PM ET #510

    Just happened to see this topic - not worthy of a response..*MJ by far
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2013 - 3:33 PM ET #511

    Lebron is still playing......but barring injury, he will have some INDIVIDUAL accomplishments that will be comes rabble to Jordan, wilt, and Oscar 

    1st.....Kareem Abdul Jabbar is on the record saying.....lebron will break his all time scoring record

    Before haters hate on that...google Kareem and lebron and read his comments about lebron and the all time scoring record 

    2nd.....lebron will have a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE....and will be the only player in NBA history to do so......which is get over 10,000 career points, rebounds and assists

    There are a lot of guys with over 10000 in two categories (not Jordan....not Kobe)....but no one has over 10000 in three categories...not even Oscar Robertson 

    3rd......I will not list them all out out....trust me lebron will be all over the record books when he is done playing.....not just with typical records but jaw dropping stuff

    For example....already at age 28.....lebron has already won more player of week and months awards then any player in NBA history
    ...go to basketball reference.com


    Maybe media will stop robbing this man of his defensive player of year award too

    Two consecutive years the media has identified. 7 footer to give the award too....maybe even longer than that....

    But for the last two years he coaches have unanimously voted lebron James on the all defensive team
    This years defensive player of the year by the media was not even on the coaches 1st team all defensive squad
    # lbj got robbed #

    Maybe media will stop reading about lbj hate crap....and award this man his defensive player of year award especially if coaches are unanimously only voting for him for 1st team all defense 
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    Lebron is still playing......but barring injury, he will have some INDIVIDUAL accomplishments that will be comes rabble to Jordan, wilt, and Oscar 

    1st.....Kareem Abdul Jabbar is on the record saying.....lebron will break his all time scoring record

    Before haters hate on that...google Kareem and lebron and read his comments about lebron and the all time scoring record 

    2nd.....lebron will have a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE....and will be the only player in NBA history to do so......which is get over 10,000 career points, rebounds and assists

    There are a lot of guys with over 10000 in two categories (not Jordan....not Kobe)....but no one has over 10000 in three categories...not even Oscar Robertson 

    3rd......I will not list them all out out....trust me lebron will be all over the record books when he is done playing.....not just with typical records but jaw dropping stuff

    For example....already at age 28.....lebron has already won more player of week and months awards then any player in NBA history
    ...go to basketball reference.com


    Maybe media will stop robbing this man of his defensive player of year award too

    Two consecutive years the media has identified. 7 footer to give the award too....maybe even longer than that....

    But for the last two years he coaches have unanimously voted lebron James on the all defensive team
    This years defensive player of the year by the media was not even on the coaches 1st team all defensive squad
    # lbj got robbed #

    Maybe media will stop reading about lbj hate crap....and award this man his defensive player of year award especially if coaches are unanimously only voting for him for 1st team all defense 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2013 - 3:34 PM ET #512

    Individual accomplishments will be 

    *.    COMPARABLE

    sorry for typo

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    Individual accomplishments will be 

    *.    COMPARABLE

    sorry for typo

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2013 - 6:11 PM ET #513

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW:

    Back then in the 80s - 90s defense was without physique. Today ALL basketballers have a much better physique, thats why its harder as a strong athlete to look good. U know what? LeBron would have friggin crushed the league back then with the physique he has. He would crush Michael Jordan.

    If they were to play in the league today, id rate Pippen - LBJ and Kobe over MJ. And KD is a better scorer than MJ is as well if he played in the league back then. He would average 45 pts or some crazy behind shiat in the regular season. It would be outstanding.

    I dont see KD becoming better than King Jordan, hes too soft. If he steps up his ballgame maybe, but until then only LeBron is better.

    This isn't body building.  No one cares about how the body looks hahaha.  Just because you are strong doesn't make you a great basketball player or athlete.  This is the worst logic I've seen in quite some time.  
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    Back then in the 80s - 90s defense was without physique. Today ALL basketballers have a much better physique, thats why its harder as a strong athlete to look good. U know what? LeBron would have friggin crushed the league back then with the physique he has. He would crush Michael Jordan.

    If they were to play in the league today, id rate Pippen - LBJ and Kobe over MJ. And KD is a better scorer than MJ is as well if he played in the league back then. He would average 45 pts or some crazy behind shiat in the regular season. It would be outstanding.

    I dont see KD becoming better than King Jordan, hes too soft. If he steps up his ballgame maybe, but until then only LeBron is better.

    This isn't body building.  No one cares about how the body looks hahaha.  Just because you are strong doesn't make you a great basketball player or athlete.  This is the worst logic I've seen in quite some time.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ct1016:

    Lebron is still playing......but barring injury, he will have some INDIVIDUAL accomplishments that will be comes rabble to Jordan, wilt, and Oscar 

    1st.....Kareem Abdul Jabbar is on the record saying.....lebron will break his all time scoring record

    Before haters hate on that...google Kareem and lebron and read his comments about lebron and the all time scoring record 

    2nd.....lebron will have a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE....and will be the only player in NBA history to do so......which is get over 10,000 career points, rebounds and assists

    There are a lot of guys with over 10000 in two categories (not Jordan....not Kobe)....but no one has over 10000 in three categories...not even Oscar Robertson 

    3rd......I will not list them all out out....trust me lebron will be all over the record books when he is done playing.....not just with typical records but jaw dropping stuff

    For example....already at age 28.....lebron has already won more player of week and months awards then any player in NBA history
    ...go to basketball reference.com


    Maybe media will stop robbing this man of his defensive player of year award too

    Two consecutive years the media has identified. 7 footer to give the award too....maybe even longer than that....

    But for the last two years he coaches have unanimously voted lebron James on the all defensive team
    This years defensive player of the year by the media was not even on the coaches 1st team all defensive squad
    # lbj got robbed #

    Maybe media will stop reading about lbj hate crap....and award this man his defensive player of year award especially if coaches are unanimously only voting for him for 1st team all defense 

    Player of the week and month awards are recent awards that's y he has the most ha
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    Lebron is still playing......but barring injury, he will have some INDIVIDUAL accomplishments that will be comes rabble to Jordan, wilt, and Oscar 

    1st.....Kareem Abdul Jabbar is on the record saying.....lebron will break his all time scoring record

    Before haters hate on that...google Kareem and lebron and read his comments about lebron and the all time scoring record 

    2nd.....lebron will have a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE....and will be the only player in NBA history to do so......which is get over 10,000 career points, rebounds and assists

    There are a lot of guys with over 10000 in two categories (not Jordan....not Kobe)....but no one has over 10000 in three categories...not even Oscar Robertson 

    3rd......I will not list them all out out....trust me lebron will be all over the record books when he is done playing.....not just with typical records but jaw dropping stuff

    For example....already at age 28.....lebron has already won more player of week and months awards then any player in NBA history
    ...go to basketball reference.com


    Maybe media will stop robbing this man of his defensive player of year award too

    Two consecutive years the media has identified. 7 footer to give the award too....maybe even longer than that....

    But for the last two years he coaches have unanimously voted lebron James on the all defensive team
    This years defensive player of the year by the media was not even on the coaches 1st team all defensive squad
    # lbj got robbed #

    Maybe media will stop reading about lbj hate crap....and award this man his defensive player of year award especially if coaches are unanimously only voting for him for 1st team all defense 

    Player of the week and month awards are recent awards that's y he has the most ha
     
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    Deezy

    You are partially correct on dat'

    Go to basketball reference.com

    In fairness to mj it was player of month for entire NBA

    But Kobe Bryant fans.....lbj is in his era....and as good as Kobe is....and folks say he is close to mj......lbj blows him out of the water with player of week and month

    You are losing the point if you focus exclusively on comparing that award to magic...mj...bird....etc...etc

    The question you should be asking yourself is why has lbj consistently week end and week out ......month end and month out.....year end and year out.....won this award at such a consistent level??

    Answer.....he is a freak-stud......and this individual accomplishment just like many other INDIVIDUAL accomplishment will stick out like a PAUL BUNYAN accomplishment when he is done playing.
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    You are partially correct on dat'

    Go to basketball reference.com

    In fairness to mj it was player of month for entire NBA

    But Kobe Bryant fans.....lbj is in his era....and as good as Kobe is....and folks say he is close to mj......lbj blows him out of the water with player of week and month

    You are losing the point if you focus exclusively on comparing that award to magic...mj...bird....etc...etc

    The question you should be asking yourself is why has lbj consistently week end and week out ......month end and month out.....year end and year out.....won this award at such a consistent level??

    Answer.....he is a freak-stud......and this individual accomplishment just like many other INDIVIDUAL accomplishment will stick out like a PAUL BUNYAN accomplishment when he is done playing.
     
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    Any Body that says that LBJ is better than MJ must be under 18 years of age
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    LBJ IS NOT BETTER THAN MJ

    Definitely not now.....lbj is still playing

    To me, mj is undeniably the goat

    And lbj is on a trajectory to be undeniably the second greatest of all time.....and his career resume will makes lot of folks pause and continue to scratch their heads......because 

    1). he will be the all time scoring champ....google Kareem....he agrees with this too

    2). He will be the .only player in NBA history with a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE in NBA history.....over 10000 career points, rebounds and assists .....see prior post

    3).  He has already won the  most player of week...and player of month awards in NBA history @ age 28..heck he may  even win more.  Mvps .....even the year Derick Rose was GIVEN MVP...lbj had more player of weeks and month awards than  Rose....look it up....BASKETBALL REFERENCE.COM.......media and fan hate LBJ for the decision and to me it  caused the media and fans to write a narrative to believe the lying eyes.....as they hijacked the award and wrote theif narrative why rose was the MVP after lbj left Cleveland 

    Remember, the narrative was.......he will never win another MVP....playing with other great players.....how can thy play together....where was his loyalty......why did he not call Cleveland management before doing the decision on air....he will not be the same player...be is and was not the same player......all this and more wrote a narrative.....To believe the media's lying eyes.

    4).  and if media gets their act together, and finally agree with coaches that have unanimously  voted for lbj on 1st team all defense....and award this man a defensive player of year too


    Lbjs curse...is he was the #1 pick to a terrible franchise his first 7 seasons......never had the outstanding coach (Phil or Popovich)....and until Miami, never had other guys to help carry the load......but even in Miami...things are not truly solid......For Example....WHAT NBA CHAMPION OR DYNASTY IF MIAMI WANTS TO HAVE ONE......DID NOT HAVE A PLAYER EATING GLASS....10 rebounds a game kinda guy.....LBJ IS SO GOOD HE ALMOST COVERS THIS FLAW
    He should not be blamed for a general management mistake...to go small and not have anyone on team averaging more than 7 rebounds a game

    But off all that

    MJ IS THE GOAT......AND LBJ IS STILL PLAYING

    But just as clearly as mj is the goat....LBJ is on a path that will make him undeniably the 2nd greatest of all time

    And please stop using rings....that requires team play and coaching...and management......mj was fortunate to have all three

    Lbj has not been as fortunate throughout his career...leaving cavs for the heat has enhanced his chances to add more substance to his legacy than had he stayed with cavs roster and leadership

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    LBJ IS NOT BETTER THAN MJ

    Definitely not now.....lbj is still playing

    To me, mj is undeniably the goat

    And lbj is on a trajectory to be undeniably the second greatest of all time.....and his career resume will makes lot of folks pause and continue to scratch their heads......because 

    1). he will be the all time scoring champ....google Kareem....he agrees with this too

    2). He will be the .only player in NBA history with a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE in NBA history.....over 10000 career points, rebounds and assists .....see prior post

    3).  He has already won the  most player of week...and player of month awards in NBA history @ age 28..heck he may  even win more.  Mvps .....even the year Derick Rose was GIVEN MVP...lbj had more player of weeks and month awards than  Rose....look it up....BASKETBALL REFERENCE.COM.......media and fan hate LBJ for the decision and to me it  caused the media and fans to write a narrative to believe the lying eyes.....as they hijacked the award and wrote theif narrative why rose was the MVP after lbj left Cleveland 

    Remember, the narrative was.......he will never win another MVP....playing with other great players.....how can thy play together....where was his loyalty......why did he not call Cleveland management before doing the decision on air....he will not be the same player...be is and was not the same player......all this and more wrote a narrative.....To believe the media's lying eyes.

    4).  and if media gets their act together, and finally agree with coaches that have unanimously  voted for lbj on 1st team all defense....and award this man a defensive player of year too


    Lbjs curse...is he was the #1 pick to a terrible franchise his first 7 seasons......never had the outstanding coach (Phil or Popovich)....and until Miami, never had other guys to help carry the load......but even in Miami...things are not truly solid......For Example....WHAT NBA CHAMPION OR DYNASTY IF MIAMI WANTS TO HAVE ONE......DID NOT HAVE A PLAYER EATING GLASS....10 rebounds a game kinda guy.....LBJ IS SO GOOD HE ALMOST COVERS THIS FLAW
    He should not be blamed for a general management mistake...to go small and not have anyone on team averaging more than 7 rebounds a game

    But off all that

    MJ IS THE GOAT......AND LBJ IS STILL PLAYING

    But just as clearly as mj is the goat....LBJ is on a path that will make him undeniably the 2nd greatest of all time

    And please stop using rings....that requires team play and coaching...and management......mj was fortunate to have all three

    Lbj has not been as fortunate throughout his career...leaving cavs for the heat has enhanced his chances to add more substance to his legacy than had he stayed with cavs roster and leadership

     
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    1). https://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/06/kareem-abdul-jabbar-thinks-lebron-can-break-
    his-mvp-record/

    Link to jabbar's comments

    2). https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/pom.html

    Link to player of month awards

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/pow.html

    Link to player of week awards

    3). https://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/12/unanimous-lebron-james-leads-all-nba-first-
    team/

    Link to a few years ago...lbj unanimously voted on 1st team all defense

    https://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/14/3395440/miami-heats-lebron-james-named.html




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    1). https://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/06/kareem-abdul-jabbar-thinks-lebron-can-break-
    his-mvp-record/

    Link to jabbar's comments

    2). https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/pom.html

    Link to player of month awards

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/pow.html

    Link to player of week awards

    3). https://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/12/unanimous-lebron-james-leads-all-nba-first-
    team/

    Link to a few years ago...lbj unanimously voted on 1st team all defense

    https://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/14/3395440/miami-heats-lebron-james-named.html




     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2013 - 9:12 AM ET #519

    LeBron with #1 block!! This guys is a king!!!
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2013 - 9:14 AM ET #520

    MJ is the most arrogant person to ever have lived on the planet. Remember when he got in HOF and he said this:

    "I feel sorry for my kids, they will have to walk in the footsteps of mine which they for obvious reasons aint able to, its not possible to look good when being compared to me"





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    MJ is the most arrogant person to ever have lived on the planet. Remember when he got in HOF and he said this:

    "I feel sorry for my kids, they will have to walk in the footsteps of mine which they for obvious reasons aint able to, its not possible to look good when being compared to me"





     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2013 - 9:18 AM ET #521

    No player in history has been more hyped than mj, he had an hole decade for him self. Clothes. cologne , shoes, boxers u name it. He had a hole bunch of choke games, bad seasons etc but nobody remembers that becuase this days media is all about discussin the negetiv part. Just like lebrons " flopps" and all the other irrelative parts. And like the video said, nba in the mid 90s was problably the worts era of what you can se today, it was evolved with more teams but with a lot of bad players, this days you actually have a lot of decent teams. As the games is totally changing every decade from being streetball with no rules in the 80s to be a more technical and fast game today with no hand checking rules the only way to compare players is the individuall stats, and when it comes to a handfull players you count chips. Otherwise the greatest is bill russel wich played in nba when it was just 2 team fighting each other. Lakers and boston. Neverless, Lebron has the most efficant season of all times, that says alot and you can see its not his floppins skills that takes him so far.
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    No player in history has been more hyped than mj, he had an hole decade for him self. Clothes. cologne , shoes, boxers u name it. He had a hole bunch of choke games, bad seasons etc but nobody remembers that becuase this days media is all about discussin the negetiv part. Just like lebrons " flopps" and all the other irrelative parts. And like the video said, nba in the mid 90s was problably the worts era of what you can se today, it was evolved with more teams but with a lot of bad players, this days you actually have a lot of decent teams. As the games is totally changing every decade from being streetball with no rules in the 80s to be a more technical and fast game today with no hand checking rules the only way to compare players is the individuall stats, and when it comes to a handfull players you count chips. Otherwise the greatest is bill russel wich played in nba when it was just 2 team fighting each other. Lakers and boston. Neverless, Lebron has the most efficant season of all times, that says alot and you can see its not his floppins skills that takes him so far.
     
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    I think perhaps the funniest part about this thread, is how the first guy explains about 12 year olds looking at jordans highlights on youtube.....don't know many 12 year olds with accounts on covers...??....anyways under that same perspective, you were probably just seeing highlights of oscar robertson, wilt, pete maravich, bill russell, and even kareem/magic/bird era.....so based on what your saying, you would only have knowledge about Lebron and Jordan........I think when we always try and put in perspective "who is the best"....it tends to matter a little too much....

    First off Jordan is the most clutch player and biggest leader, I have ever seen play..He was the quintessential do whatever it takes not to lose mentality....He had no fear and a competitive edge on every player on the court at all times...When he jumped it seemed like he could fly.....Jordan also never lost a finals, was never even taken to a 7th game in a finals...He could be selfish (takin his own plane to games, fighting 2 different players on his own team, being a big part of firing doug collins)...Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if the media during Jordans era was like it is now....Perhaps things like gambling during the playoffs, his father passing, being scoring champion but losing with doug collins...would have been so much harder to deal with...Bottom Line Jordan is the best player I have ever seen play period....People tend to forget all the time about how great his defense was as well....I'd like to see others stop playing basketball for 2 years and then come back and win championships in your first full years back.........Lebron has better collective stats and is an absolute freak of an athlete, who could not have a more perfect body on a specimen for a basketball player.(besides maybe a ten foot center lol)....He makes everything look so much easier then it naturally is..mr triple double much like oscar robertson....He has had more scrutiny on him then perhaps any basketball player in history ......The guy took less money to go play on a better team so he could win a championship...He gave Cleveland all ample oppurtunity to find him players in the eight years he was there....An aging Shaq way past his prime and Antwan Jamison wasn't exactly what he was hoping for....The part that also kills me is the only two things this guy really does wrong is....hold a press conference to go to miami and not be a 100 percent clutch at the end of games.....how many times do you here bad things about Lebron off the court??....Let Lebron be Lebron.....and Jordan be Jordan....  
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    I think perhaps the funniest part about this thread, is how the first guy explains about 12 year olds looking at jordans highlights on youtube.....don't know many 12 year olds with accounts on covers...??....anyways under that same perspective, you were probably just seeing highlights of oscar robertson, wilt, pete maravich, bill russell, and even kareem/magic/bird era.....so based on what your saying, you would only have knowledge about Lebron and Jordan........I think when we always try and put in perspective "who is the best"....it tends to matter a little too much....

    First off Jordan is the most clutch player and biggest leader, I have ever seen play..He was the quintessential do whatever it takes not to lose mentality....He had no fear and a competitive edge on every player on the court at all times...When he jumped it seemed like he could fly.....Jordan also never lost a finals, was never even taken to a 7th game in a finals...He could be selfish (takin his own plane to games, fighting 2 different players on his own team, being a big part of firing doug collins)...Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if the media during Jordans era was like it is now....Perhaps things like gambling during the playoffs, his father passing, being scoring champion but losing with doug collins...would have been so much harder to deal with...Bottom Line Jordan is the best player I have ever seen play period....People tend to forget all the time about how great his defense was as well....I'd like to see others stop playing basketball for 2 years and then come back and win championships in your first full years back.........Lebron has better collective stats and is an absolute freak of an athlete, who could not have a more perfect body on a specimen for a basketball player.(besides maybe a ten foot center lol)....He makes everything look so much easier then it naturally is..mr triple double much like oscar robertson....He has had more scrutiny on him then perhaps any basketball player in history ......The guy took less money to go play on a better team so he could win a championship...He gave Cleveland all ample oppurtunity to find him players in the eight years he was there....An aging Shaq way past his prime and Antwan Jamison wasn't exactly what he was hoping for....The part that also kills me is the only two things this guy really does wrong is....hold a press conference to go to miami and not be a 100 percent clutch at the end of games.....how many times do you here bad things about Lebron off the court??....Let Lebron be Lebron.....and Jordan be Jordan....  
     
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    And why did Bulls never lose a finals? Simply because the league was easy as darn to win, no defense, no physique on defense (genetics today makes everyone tough as darn)

    If Jordan went up against just even Pacers D; then he wouldnt be able to put 20 points on the board. I can guarantee u that for sure. No coverage on MJ back then either, watch the games....

    And also because he had a dream team / all star team with Rodman and Scottie who are both better than Wade and Bosh.
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    If Jordan went up against just even Pacers D; then he wouldnt be able to put 20 points on the board. I can guarantee u that for sure. No coverage on MJ back then either, watch the games....

    And also because he had a dream team / all star team with Rodman and Scottie who are both better than Wade and Bosh.
     
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    heres my fav story about jordan by the way.......After playing baseball one day....John Hornaceck (who used to keep in contact with Jordan at all times)...asked if he wanted to come play some pickup basketball with him and some others....Jordan said no he was done, but his competitive edge brought him on to the court with the others.....So after he gets done playing with a number of players from the nba at the time, on the court....Jordan doesn't play so well and is very rusty and when they are done Bryant Russell walks up to Jordan and says...your too scared to come back to the NBA because of my defense now....your a box, you could never win another championship....then he left the gym....Jordan would say later "What Russell said really stuck with me, I felt like i had something to prove".....and of course we know the end of the story....Game 6 agains the Jazz and the famous shot over none other then....**Bryant Russell"*.....Its a small possibility that if he had shut his mouth, then the Jazz could have 2 championships and Russell be known as something other then 
    "the guy that Jordan hit the last shot in the finals against"

    Hornaceck and Russell said later that they wanted Jordan back....the NBA needed Jordan and they would never have gone back to change that....class acts....

    Jordan was always about proving people wrong and winning.....and his character couldn't be more exemplified in this story....
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    heres my fav story about jordan by the way.......After playing baseball one day....John Hornaceck (who used to keep in contact with Jordan at all times)...asked if he wanted to come play some pickup basketball with him and some others....Jordan said no he was done, but his competitive edge brought him on to the court with the others.....So after he gets done playing with a number of players from the nba at the time, on the court....Jordan doesn't play so well and is very rusty and when they are done Bryant Russell walks up to Jordan and says...your too scared to come back to the NBA because of my defense now....your a box, you could never win another championship....then he left the gym....Jordan would say later "What Russell said really stuck with me, I felt like i had something to prove".....and of course we know the end of the story....Game 6 agains the Jazz and the famous shot over none other then....**Bryant Russell"*.....Its a small possibility that if he had shut his mouth, then the Jazz could have 2 championships and Russell be known as something other then 
    "the guy that Jordan hit the last shot in the finals against"

    Hornaceck and Russell said later that they wanted Jordan back....the NBA needed Jordan and they would never have gone back to change that....class acts....

    Jordan was always about proving people wrong and winning.....and his character couldn't be more exemplified in this story....
     
     
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    cute fairy tale story. seems legit.
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