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    Cavs Championship futures ticketholders?Save yourself the grief and put those babies in the shredder

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    fadeORdie
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2015 - 12:05 AM ET #426

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Cavs future ticket holders...




    Cavs future ticket holders have already cashed guaranteed money by hedging before the finals started. You honestly don't believe they would've let 30-1 ticket ride without hedging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Cavs future ticket holders...




    Cavs future ticket holders have already cashed guaranteed money by hedging before the finals started. You honestly don't believe they would've let 30-1 ticket ride without hedging.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2015 - 12:12 AM ET #427

    Quote Originally Posted by fadeORdie:





    Cavs future ticket holders have already cashed guaranteed money by hedging before the finals started. You honestly don't believe they would've let 30-1 ticket ride without hedging.

    Fade are you some kind of fool. How do you know the average $100 lottery ticket bettor hedged anything? Up until today, letting it ride looked like a pretty damn good proposition (and bettors love long money).

    Have you read NOTHING of what this thread was about.

    How much did these people hedge out for? How much did they lose in addition to what they needed to hedge if they hedged down 2-1 to the Bulls or at the start of the Hawks series? Then you were faced with -220 odds (The WORST of the entire playoffs against the best team by far) and you better have several thousand dollars available to even make a halfway decent hedge.

    And mind you, now this is all about a HEDGE if the Cavs don't win.

    All the hooting and hollering for an ROI as low as a -500 ML hedge. WOW. Get Covers to put that baby on their front page!

    And NONE of that was guaranteed from day 1!

    Value? What Value? As I said a BILLION TIMES, if JR, Mozgov and Shump are not practically GIVEN to the Cavs, the Cavs may not even be in the Finals. That was extraordinary good fortune for those players to come.

    The 30-1 tickets though, the point of this thread, are THREE games from heading to the shredder, as I said for MONTHS.

    Now let me be loud and clear when I say this:

    Shu* the fu** up you moron!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeORdie:





    Cavs future ticket holders have already cashed guaranteed money by hedging before the finals started. You honestly don't believe they would've let 30-1 ticket ride without hedging.

    Fade are you some kind of fool. How do you know the average $100 lottery ticket bettor hedged anything? Up until today, letting it ride looked like a pretty damn good proposition (and bettors love long money).

    Have you read NOTHING of what this thread was about.

    How much did these people hedge out for? How much did they lose in addition to what they needed to hedge if they hedged down 2-1 to the Bulls or at the start of the Hawks series? Then you were faced with -220 odds (The WORST of the entire playoffs against the best team by far) and you better have several thousand dollars available to even make a halfway decent hedge.

    And mind you, now this is all about a HEDGE if the Cavs don't win.

    All the hooting and hollering for an ROI as low as a -500 ML hedge. WOW. Get Covers to put that baby on their front page!

    And NONE of that was guaranteed from day 1!

    Value? What Value? As I said a BILLION TIMES, if JR, Mozgov and Shump are not practically GIVEN to the Cavs, the Cavs may not even be in the Finals. That was extraordinary good fortune for those players to come.

    The 30-1 tickets though, the point of this thread, are THREE games from heading to the shredder, as I said for MONTHS.

    Now let me be loud and clear when I say this:

    Shu* the fu** up you moron!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2015 - 12:12 AM ET #428

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Scal!!!!!!!!!

    Three games BB...

    And I finally get to shut these sons a bitc*** up for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Scal!!!!!!!!!

    Three games BB...

    And I finally get to shut these sons a bitc*** up for good.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2015 - 12:21 AM ET #429

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Three games BB...

    And I finally get to shut these sons a bitc*** up for good.

    This coming from a Cavs fan.... could be a real quick 3 games 
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Three games BB...

    And I finally get to shut these sons a bitc*** up for good.

    This coming from a Cavs fan.... could be a real quick 3 games 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2015 - 12:24 AM ET #430

    You're in denial fool. Complete utter denial.

    Guaranteed money is guaranteed money - whether it's $500 or $1,000 Cavs future bettors who hedged cashed.

    No one cares if Warriors win and Cavs future ticket becomes invalid. That's the point you are trying to propel with your stupid essays but the real truth is that Cavs future bettors are the real winners - why do you keep denying this???

    You do realize you're a laughing stock in this thread?
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    You're in denial fool. Complete utter denial.

    Guaranteed money is guaranteed money - whether it's $500 or $1,000 Cavs future bettors who hedged cashed.

    No one cares if Warriors win and Cavs future ticket becomes invalid. That's the point you are trying to propel with your stupid essays but the real truth is that Cavs future bettors are the real winners - why do you keep denying this???

    You do realize you're a laughing stock in this thread?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2015 - 12:25 AM ET #431

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Fade are you some kind of fool. How do you know the average $100 lottery ticket bettor hedged anything? Up until today, letting it ride looked like a pretty damn good proposition (and bettors love long money).

    Have you read NOTHING of what this thread was about.

    How much did these people hedge out for? How much did they lose in addition to what they needed to hedge if they hedged down 2-1 to the Bulls or at the start of the Hawks series? Then you were faced with -220 odds (The WORST of the entire playoffs against the best team by far) and you better have several thousand dollars available to even make a halfway decent hedge.

    And mind you, now this is all about a HEDGE if the Cavs don't win.

    All the hooting and hollering for an ROI as low as a -500 ML hedge. WOW. Get Covers to put that baby on their front page!

    And NONE of that was guaranteed from day 1!

    Value? What Value? As I said a BILLION TIMES, if JR, Mozgov and Shump are not practically GIVEN to the Cavs, the Cavs may not even be in the Finals. That was extraordinary good fortune for those players to come.

    The 30-1 tickets though, the point of this thread, are THREE games from heading to the shredder, as I said for MONTHS.

    Now let me be loud and clear when I say this:

    Shu* the fu** up you moron!


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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Fade are you some kind of fool. How do you know the average $100 lottery ticket bettor hedged anything? Up until today, letting it ride looked like a pretty damn good proposition (and bettors love long money).

    Have you read NOTHING of what this thread was about.

    How much did these people hedge out for? How much did they lose in addition to what they needed to hedge if they hedged down 2-1 to the Bulls or at the start of the Hawks series? Then you were faced with -220 odds (The WORST of the entire playoffs against the best team by far) and you better have several thousand dollars available to even make a halfway decent hedge.

    And mind you, now this is all about a HEDGE if the Cavs don't win.

    All the hooting and hollering for an ROI as low as a -500 ML hedge. WOW. Get Covers to put that baby on their front page!

    And NONE of that was guaranteed from day 1!

    Value? What Value? As I said a BILLION TIMES, if JR, Mozgov and Shump are not practically GIVEN to the Cavs, the Cavs may not even be in the Finals. That was extraordinary good fortune for those players to come.

    The 30-1 tickets though, the point of this thread, are THREE games from heading to the shredder, as I said for MONTHS.

    Now let me be loud and clear when I say this:

    Shu* the fu** up you moron!


     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2015 - 3:06 AM ET #432

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Melos, you don't throw a +10.1 pt differential in the trash. It is one of the highest in history and ALL teams with that differential have won the championship as I noted (except for one that was beaten by a team with an even bigger pt differential). On top of that, this Warrior team is outstanding in far too many ways in comparison to any team in the East that it doesn't even warrant a conversation

    All in all, a close game that went to OT and the Cavs need game 2. That's about what everyone thought (that they must take one of two in GS).

     

    One down...

     

    Three games to go...

     

    Until the shredder starts gettin' revved up....BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

     

     (that is unless you have a spare $6,000 around to hedge your bet which, oh I don't know 99% of bettors here do not have)




    i was speaking more of the measurements used to discredit lebrons supporting cast....as for the points differential,how many of those other teams in the past were first time finalists and generally as green as wat this bunch is??not being smart,i genuinely do not know....?

    no doubt it is extremely impressive..over such a long schedule with so much travel and ups and downs the consistency to achieve such a margin is seriously getting it done...but to add balance/perspective,they shoot an all time high in three pointers,they play at a break-neck tempo,they love running up the score and playing rite to the final buzzer,they are very deep which is a credit to them,and they play in a fairly watered down league with a big old handful if pretty ordinary teams,and they benefit,as does everyone else of course,from offense friendly laws in the modern game......again,im not taking anything away from the fact that they feckin crushed it all season long.....but how many of those other leading teams in points diff do you think this team wud even have a chance against??

    actually forget that question...different era so cant really make a comparison/argument either way.

    anyhow,hopefully you will bring sum balance to your view of cleveland being born with a horse-shoe up their ar.se by getting gifted players that suddenly were re-born one joining up with lebron......the nagging injuries and ultimate demise of love and irving at the most important time of the season undoubtedly even up the "luck" ledger...no matter wat their ultimate potential wen fully stocked the cavs were DEFINITELY going nowhere with both those guys missing and/or limited.


    heres wat bothers me about the 10 billion threads up recently bemoaning the weak state of the east(primarily to be-little lebron as the argument de jour' at the moment)......in the end it doesnt actually matter how many trash teams there are and how bad they are exactly.all that matters is the potential ceiling of the east representative...thats all that matters!!!....of course it helps to get good competition during the regular season to sharpen you up and build your habits and test you as a group.......but wat it all boils down to is ONE team from the east versus another for the title,best man wins...and we've seen over and over again that the east winner can beat the west winner despite the huge disparity in depth and talent between conferences...the heat have done it,pistons have done it,celtics did it and jordan did it many times over despite the west boasting far better talent most of his title winning career.

    its a shame it looks like kyrie is finished now...i think this series wud have gone at least 6 with him able to go each game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Melos, you don't throw a +10.1 pt differential in the trash. It is one of the highest in history and ALL teams with that differential have won the championship as I noted (except for one that was beaten by a team with an even bigger pt differential). On top of that, this Warrior team is outstanding in far too many ways in comparison to any team in the East that it doesn't even warrant a conversation

    All in all, a close game that went to OT and the Cavs need game 2. That's about what everyone thought (that they must take one of two in GS).

     

    One down...

     

    Three games to go...

     

    Until the shredder starts gettin' revved up....BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

     

     (that is unless you have a spare $6,000 around to hedge your bet which, oh I don't know 99% of bettors here do not have)




    i was speaking more of the measurements used to discredit lebrons supporting cast....as for the points differential,how many of those other teams in the past were first time finalists and generally as green as wat this bunch is??not being smart,i genuinely do not know....?

    no doubt it is extremely impressive..over such a long schedule with so much travel and ups and downs the consistency to achieve such a margin is seriously getting it done...but to add balance/perspective,they shoot an all time high in three pointers,they play at a break-neck tempo,they love running up the score and playing rite to the final buzzer,they are very deep which is a credit to them,and they play in a fairly watered down league with a big old handful if pretty ordinary teams,and they benefit,as does everyone else of course,from offense friendly laws in the modern game......again,im not taking anything away from the fact that they feckin crushed it all season long.....but how many of those other leading teams in points diff do you think this team wud even have a chance against??

    actually forget that question...different era so cant really make a comparison/argument either way.

    anyhow,hopefully you will bring sum balance to your view of cleveland being born with a horse-shoe up their ar.se by getting gifted players that suddenly were re-born one joining up with lebron......the nagging injuries and ultimate demise of love and irving at the most important time of the season undoubtedly even up the "luck" ledger...no matter wat their ultimate potential wen fully stocked the cavs were DEFINITELY going nowhere with both those guys missing and/or limited.


    heres wat bothers me about the 10 billion threads up recently bemoaning the weak state of the east(primarily to be-little lebron as the argument de jour' at the moment)......in the end it doesnt actually matter how many trash teams there are and how bad they are exactly.all that matters is the potential ceiling of the east representative...thats all that matters!!!....of course it helps to get good competition during the regular season to sharpen you up and build your habits and test you as a group.......but wat it all boils down to is ONE team from the east versus another for the title,best man wins...and we've seen over and over again that the east winner can beat the west winner despite the huge disparity in depth and talent between conferences...the heat have done it,pistons have done it,celtics did it and jordan did it many times over despite the west boasting far better talent most of his title winning career.

    its a shame it looks like kyrie is finished now...i think this series wud have gone at least 6 with him able to go each game.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:




    i was speaking more of the measurements used to discredit lebrons supporting cast....as for the points differential,how many of those other teams in the past were first time finalists and generally as green as wat this bunch is??not being smart,i genuinely do not know....?

    no doubt it is extremely impressive..over such a long schedule with so much travel and ups and downs the consistency to achieve such a margin is seriously getting it done...but to add balance/perspective,they shoot an all time high in three pointers,they play at a break-neck tempo,they love running up the score and playing rite to the final buzzer,they are very deep which is a credit to them,and they play in a fairly watered down league with a big old handful if pretty ordinary teams,and they benefit,as does everyone else of course,from offense friendly laws in the modern game......again,im not taking anything away from the fact that they feckin crushed it all season long.....but how many of those other leading teams in points diff do you think this team wud even have a chance against??

    actually forget that question...different era so cant really make a comparison/argument either way.

    anyhow,hopefully you will bring sum balance to your view of cleveland being born with a horse-shoe up their ar.se by getting gifted players that suddenly were re-born one joining up with lebron......the nagging injuries and ultimate demise of love and irving at the most important time of the season undoubtedly even up the "luck" ledger...no matter wat their ultimate potential wen fully stocked the cavs were DEFINITELY going nowhere with both those guys missing and/or limited.


    heres wat bothers me about the 10 billion threads up recently bemoaning the weak state of the east(primarily to be-little lebron as the argument de jour' at the moment)......in the end it doesnt actually matter how many trash teams there are and how bad they are exactly.all that matters is the potential ceiling of the east representative...thats all that matters!!!....of course it helps to get good competition during the regular season to sharpen you up and build your habits and test you as a group.......but wat it all boils down to is ONE team from the east versus another for the title,best man wins...and we've seen over and over again that the east winner can beat the west winner despite the huge disparity in depth and talent between conferences...the heat have done it,pistons have done it,celtics did it and jordan did it many times over despite the west boasting far better talent most of his title winning career.

    its a shame it looks like kyrie is finished now...i think this series wud have gone at least 6 with him able to go each game.

    Come on Melos,

    Heat had Shaq and Wade

    Pistons had an incredibly good defensive team (and one that was underestimated as they rolled through the last half of the year)

    The Celtics had the first 'Big Three' in Garnett, Allen, and Pierce

    and those Bulls teams can match up against the greatest teams of all time and win.

     

    When teams like the Nets made the finals I knew they simply couldn't get it done.

    And yes, this team has Lebron but they are clearly hobbled and the team just isn't deep. Warriors are going 10 deep with confidence.

    I'm sorry, there is (was) a huge horseshoe up the a** of the Cavs that is now turning into ....rust.

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    i was speaking more of the measurements used to discredit lebrons supporting cast....as for the points differential,how many of those other teams in the past were first time finalists and generally as green as wat this bunch is??not being smart,i genuinely do not know....?

    no doubt it is extremely impressive..over such a long schedule with so much travel and ups and downs the consistency to achieve such a margin is seriously getting it done...but to add balance/perspective,they shoot an all time high in three pointers,they play at a break-neck tempo,they love running up the score and playing rite to the final buzzer,they are very deep which is a credit to them,and they play in a fairly watered down league with a big old handful if pretty ordinary teams,and they benefit,as does everyone else of course,from offense friendly laws in the modern game......again,im not taking anything away from the fact that they feckin crushed it all season long.....but how many of those other leading teams in points diff do you think this team wud even have a chance against??

    actually forget that question...different era so cant really make a comparison/argument either way.

    anyhow,hopefully you will bring sum balance to your view of cleveland being born with a horse-shoe up their ar.se by getting gifted players that suddenly were re-born one joining up with lebron......the nagging injuries and ultimate demise of love and irving at the most important time of the season undoubtedly even up the "luck" ledger...no matter wat their ultimate potential wen fully stocked the cavs were DEFINITELY going nowhere with both those guys missing and/or limited.


    heres wat bothers me about the 10 billion threads up recently bemoaning the weak state of the east(primarily to be-little lebron as the argument de jour' at the moment)......in the end it doesnt actually matter how many trash teams there are and how bad they are exactly.all that matters is the potential ceiling of the east representative...thats all that matters!!!....of course it helps to get good competition during the regular season to sharpen you up and build your habits and test you as a group.......but wat it all boils down to is ONE team from the east versus another for the title,best man wins...and we've seen over and over again that the east winner can beat the west winner despite the huge disparity in depth and talent between conferences...the heat have done it,pistons have done it,celtics did it and jordan did it many times over despite the west boasting far better talent most of his title winning career.

    its a shame it looks like kyrie is finished now...i think this series wud have gone at least 6 with him able to go each game.

    Come on Melos,

    Heat had Shaq and Wade

    Pistons had an incredibly good defensive team (and one that was underestimated as they rolled through the last half of the year)

    The Celtics had the first 'Big Three' in Garnett, Allen, and Pierce

    and those Bulls teams can match up against the greatest teams of all time and win.

     

    When teams like the Nets made the finals I knew they simply couldn't get it done.

    And yes, this team has Lebron but they are clearly hobbled and the team just isn't deep. Warriors are going 10 deep with confidence.

    I'm sorry, there is (was) a huge horseshoe up the a** of the Cavs that is now turning into ....rust.

     
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    So you're discrediting the top teams to come out of the east the past 20 years for what reason?
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    Who discounted the east for 20 years? I discredited many of the teams but not all of them. Clealry I stated the Bulls, Celtics, one Piston team which shocked the world (so it can happen), and the Heat teams should not be discounted (those were mega-teams that conspired to come together).

    But look at some of the others:

    2007 Cavs with a young LBJ had zero chance
    Nets 2x had no shot
    1999 Knicks - no shot
    Pacers vs. lakers? No shot
    Sixers Lakers? No shot
    Orlando with a young Howard? No shot.

    Cavs are simply flawed in too many areas, depth and being hobbled are the major factors.

    LBJ will win them some games. But when you face real competition. You get exposed. And the Cavs are getting exposed and will continue to be.
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    Who discounted the east for 20 years? I discredited many of the teams but not all of them. Clealry I stated the Bulls, Celtics, one Piston team which shocked the world (so it can happen), and the Heat teams should not be discounted (those were mega-teams that conspired to come together).

    But look at some of the others:

    2007 Cavs with a young LBJ had zero chance
    Nets 2x had no shot
    1999 Knicks - no shot
    Pacers vs. lakers? No shot
    Sixers Lakers? No shot
    Orlando with a young Howard? No shot.

    Cavs are simply flawed in too many areas, depth and being hobbled are the major factors.

    LBJ will win them some games. But when you face real competition. You get exposed. And the Cavs are getting exposed and will continue to be.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    Three games BB...

    And I finally get to shut these sons a bitc*** up for good.

      Bet your balls were in your throat, T Dum, when the hero-baller was trying the shot from out of bounds.
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    Three games BB...

    And I finally get to shut these sons a bitc*** up for good.

      Bet your balls were in your throat, T Dum, when the hero-baller was trying the shot from out of bounds.
     
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    The fact that this is still being argued and bumped is embarrassing as can be. 
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    Just one game scal -- this is going to be a long series -- Warriors almost took in 10 million in gate sales and it was the highest game 1 in recent history -- NBA not letting this one go down easy
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    whenever this thread is bumped and scal starts gloating it reminds me to take the cavs.

    after bulls 1-0. scal talks cavs= 
    bulls 2-1  
    2-2 scal says lucky james shot

    4-2 cavs 

    now warriors 1-0 and he is gloating for his delusional reasons. 
    cavs big plus 7 game 2 
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    whenever this thread is bumped and scal starts gloating it reminds me to take the cavs.

    after bulls 1-0. scal talks cavs= 
    bulls 2-1  
    2-2 scal says lucky james shot

    4-2 cavs 

    now warriors 1-0 and he is gloating for his delusional reasons. 
    cavs big plus 7 game 2 
     
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    Scal, shut up. You have no argument. Cavs future holders already made profit. Stop embarrassing yourself and trying to argue that you had a point. It's a joke now.
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    lol game over for Cavs. Although, I definitely would assume most Cavs backers would have hedged already.
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    It's over. Kyris is out for the rest of playoffs. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannerB7:

    Hello all-

    As an update-
    -I have $400 to win $11,200 on Cavs championship.
    -I lost $500 hedging on Hawks Series.
    -I have placed $2420 to win $1100 on Warriors series. I am waiting to hear about Klay/right before game time to place another $2200 at current price. That will put me at $4620 to win $2100 in the even the warriors win the series.

    Scal just to clarify some things on computing ROI. Let's say warriors win and I have risked a total of $5520 (4620 + 400 + 500) - the NET PROFIT from this wager would be $1200 (2100 won - 400 - 500). The ROI would 21.7% (1200/5520). This return is on a situation in which I cannot lose. If the Cavs win I NET PROFIT $6,080. The ROI there is a whopping 110% (6080/5520). I'm not here ripping you on your thread, just want to clarify that I am in a great position in terms of ROI on both wagers. I cannot lose and will profit no matter what. This will be a fun series. Go Cavs.

    DB7

    Well folks, it's time for those Cavs hedgers to reap in those MASSIVE profits. Back up the truck because the garbage bags full of cash are going to need many a handler so you can haul your 30-1 profits home.

    And what are those profits? Well, although the Cavs may put up a fight the rest of the series, they will not win. We know that now.

    And early on in the thread I said over and over:

     

    1. I said in SEVERAL threads the Cavs would not win the championship before the season and after the Love trade so this is a reiteration of that and a rant, which I wanted to write.

    2. Not sure why people keep saying this. You cannot get those odds right now and the fact you would take them does not disprove my point, in that, the ticket will be worthless regardless of when you purchase it.

    3. Betting is not about finding  value for the average bettor. It is about finding a side they like and putting money on it.  And as Vegas can tell you, they end up with the side that had the least value not the most.

    The above average bettor or even the sharp may hedge out of this bet at some point: but when? And for how much? And does the average hundred dollar bettor want to take another team with his team down 3-2 and possibly able to win the series? He put $100 or $200 on this future. Then he's going to put thousands on adjusted series lines? Where? Vegas? Is he in Vegas at the time? Can he deposit THOUSANDS into his online account? Is he ready to lose a thousand or thousands if the Cavs make the finals? Depositing/Cashing out/when to hedge/ if to hedge/ makes this all come down to one result for the Majority of Cavs futures holders....

    These are all real life considerations that short-sighted posters like yourself don't consider, no less understand.

    The majority will keep their ticket like every square and ride it out .

    And I am here to say that baby belongs in a shredder.

    Because it will pay exactly $0. Just because a sharp chases out doesn't mean Vegas doesn't make money on this at 30-1 or 3-1.

    That is the entire point of this thread. The Cavs need to win the last game of the season. They won't resulting in worthless futures at any price (regardless of the small segment that hedges).

    Anything else? If not, run along.

    Yes, folks we had ONE poster, ONE, who actually had to set aside nearly SIX GRAND for profit of $1200 (or an ROI of 21%). Compare this to all the hooting and hollering of an ROI of 3000%! People were dancing in the streets when LBJ signed...now they are on their knees in prayer.

    Well kiss that 3000% GOODBYE like you are saying farewell to some navy boy being sent to service as you wave a white hanky dockside.

    Now this kid above (and again, he's a nice kid), goes from making $11,200 to....$1,200. And he needs a whopping $5,500+ available to do it. Wanna lay that in Vegas? Get ready to run around in the hot Vegas sun while you bake like corn biscuit since one casino almost certainly won't take that much on a series bet. Online? Better have the money! Most guys here are in DEBT, not up $5,500.

     

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    Hello all-

    As an update-
    -I have $400 to win $11,200 on Cavs championship.
    -I lost $500 hedging on Hawks Series.
    -I have placed $2420 to win $1100 on Warriors series. I am waiting to hear about Klay/right before game time to place another $2200 at current price. That will put me at $4620 to win $2100 in the even the warriors win the series.

    Scal just to clarify some things on computing ROI. Let's say warriors win and I have risked a total of $5520 (4620 + 400 + 500) - the NET PROFIT from this wager would be $1200 (2100 won - 400 - 500). The ROI would 21.7% (1200/5520). This return is on a situation in which I cannot lose. If the Cavs win I NET PROFIT $6,080. The ROI there is a whopping 110% (6080/5520). I'm not here ripping you on your thread, just want to clarify that I am in a great position in terms of ROI on both wagers. I cannot lose and will profit no matter what. This will be a fun series. Go Cavs.

    DB7

    Well folks, it's time for those Cavs hedgers to reap in those MASSIVE profits. Back up the truck because the garbage bags full of cash are going to need many a handler so you can haul your 30-1 profits home.

    And what are those profits? Well, although the Cavs may put up a fight the rest of the series, they will not win. We know that now.

    And early on in the thread I said over and over:

     

    1. I said in SEVERAL threads the Cavs would not win the championship before the season and after the Love trade so this is a reiteration of that and a rant, which I wanted to write.

    2. Not sure why people keep saying this. You cannot get those odds right now and the fact you would take them does not disprove my point, in that, the ticket will be worthless regardless of when you purchase it.

    3. Betting is not about finding  value for the average bettor. It is about finding a side they like and putting money on it.  And as Vegas can tell you, they end up with the side that had the least value not the most.

    The above average bettor or even the sharp may hedge out of this bet at some point: but when? And for how much? And does the average hundred dollar bettor want to take another team with his team down 3-2 and possibly able to win the series? He put $100 or $200 on this future. Then he's going to put thousands on adjusted series lines? Where? Vegas? Is he in Vegas at the time? Can he deposit THOUSANDS into his online account? Is he ready to lose a thousand or thousands if the Cavs make the finals? Depositing/Cashing out/when to hedge/ if to hedge/ makes this all come down to one result for the Majority of Cavs futures holders....

    These are all real life considerations that short-sighted posters like yourself don't consider, no less understand.

    The majority will keep their ticket like every square and ride it out .

    And I am here to say that baby belongs in a shredder.

    Because it will pay exactly $0. Just because a sharp chases out doesn't mean Vegas doesn't make money on this at 30-1 or 3-1.

    That is the entire point of this thread. The Cavs need to win the last game of the season. They won't resulting in worthless futures at any price (regardless of the small segment that hedges).

    Anything else? If not, run along.

    Yes, folks we had ONE poster, ONE, who actually had to set aside nearly SIX GRAND for profit of $1200 (or an ROI of 21%). Compare this to all the hooting and hollering of an ROI of 3000%! People were dancing in the streets when LBJ signed...now they are on their knees in prayer.

    Well kiss that 3000% GOODBYE like you are saying farewell to some navy boy being sent to service as you wave a white hanky dockside.

    Now this kid above (and again, he's a nice kid), goes from making $11,200 to....$1,200. And he needs a whopping $5,500+ available to do it. Wanna lay that in Vegas? Get ready to run around in the hot Vegas sun while you bake like corn biscuit since one casino almost certainly won't take that much on a series bet. Online? Better have the money! Most guys here are in DEBT, not up $5,500.

     

     
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    And to say it's 'guaranteed'....Reaaaaaaly?

    Was it 'guaranteed' when Love popped his shoulder out?

    Was it 'guaranteed' when the Bulls were up 2-1 and Blatt pulled a Chris Webber that almost put the Bulls up 3-1 (and then got an unofficial time out from the refs to set up a play which Blatt then wanted Lebron to INBOUND during). Was it 'guaranteed' against the 60 win Hawks before that series started?

    If you bet ANY of these scenarios, if you hedged at all during any of them (like this kid above did during some), you lost...since the Cavs won those games. And you might have lost quite a bit. And that means you had to hedge during the Finals.

    And what were the Finals odds? -225 for Game 1, the WORST during the entire playoffs.

    And now we are at game 2. Have you hedged yet?

    If you haven't, you need to risk a mind-blowing SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS to win.....

    ONE THOUSAND!

    And that one thousand may not even cover what you lost if you hedged out of your bet at any point during the Bulls series or Hawks series. $100 turns to $200 turns to $500 and even $1,000 very quickly when you are hedging out several rounds. And quickly dismiss Rangerz suggestion someone hedged out during the regular season with a "Cavs won't win the championship". Get him another drink and make it a double.

    -700....it's hedge time baby!!!! They are waitin' for ya at the window with a ticket and smile! :)

    Yeah and it's all G U A R A N T E E D at -700. Enjoy that line like you would enjoy eating glass.

    If you got in at -225, ok, but it's not all that ok since that line also blows. This kid says he made $1,200 if he hedged out completely before game 1 with a $5,500 bankroll dedicatedly completely to hedging. That's IF he pulled the trigger for EVERYTHING which he might not have. 

    Yeah, it gets a bit sticky, as I said all along...as I said these Cavs tickets at 30-1 or 3-1 would not cash.....but as much as ya say it FadeORide and his clans of idiot windbags will just deny that and believe it was this unbelievably great bet that all this could just be hedged out on a whim for all this guaranteed profit. But what kind of profit? And how much do you need on hand to get that profit? Ah, let's just ignore all that. And now, as the Cavs whither, that profit looks more and more like ashtray money.

    Ah well....30-1 long bettors who did nothing? I'm firing up that shredder as you pray to the betting gods Lebron can take you home.

    And he's gonna take you home....right to the gutter baby....

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    And to say it's 'guaranteed'....Reaaaaaaly?

    Was it 'guaranteed' when Love popped his shoulder out?

    Was it 'guaranteed' when the Bulls were up 2-1 and Blatt pulled a Chris Webber that almost put the Bulls up 3-1 (and then got an unofficial time out from the refs to set up a play which Blatt then wanted Lebron to INBOUND during). Was it 'guaranteed' against the 60 win Hawks before that series started?

    If you bet ANY of these scenarios, if you hedged at all during any of them (like this kid above did during some), you lost...since the Cavs won those games. And you might have lost quite a bit. And that means you had to hedge during the Finals.

    And what were the Finals odds? -225 for Game 1, the WORST during the entire playoffs.

    And now we are at game 2. Have you hedged yet?

    If you haven't, you need to risk a mind-blowing SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS to win.....

    ONE THOUSAND!

    And that one thousand may not even cover what you lost if you hedged out of your bet at any point during the Bulls series or Hawks series. $100 turns to $200 turns to $500 and even $1,000 very quickly when you are hedging out several rounds. And quickly dismiss Rangerz suggestion someone hedged out during the regular season with a "Cavs won't win the championship". Get him another drink and make it a double.

    -700....it's hedge time baby!!!! They are waitin' for ya at the window with a ticket and smile! :)

    Yeah and it's all G U A R A N T E E D at -700. Enjoy that line like you would enjoy eating glass.

    If you got in at -225, ok, but it's not all that ok since that line also blows. This kid says he made $1,200 if he hedged out completely before game 1 with a $5,500 bankroll dedicatedly completely to hedging. That's IF he pulled the trigger for EVERYTHING which he might not have. 

    Yeah, it gets a bit sticky, as I said all along...as I said these Cavs tickets at 30-1 or 3-1 would not cash.....but as much as ya say it FadeORide and his clans of idiot windbags will just deny that and believe it was this unbelievably great bet that all this could just be hedged out on a whim for all this guaranteed profit. But what kind of profit? And how much do you need on hand to get that profit? Ah, let's just ignore all that. And now, as the Cavs whither, that profit looks more and more like ashtray money.

    Ah well....30-1 long bettors who did nothing? I'm firing up that shredder as you pray to the betting gods Lebron can take you home.

    And he's gonna take you home....right to the gutter baby....

     
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    Wow. This clown is completely delusional. I admit that I'm a forum troll and like to fool around but in real life I'm a sane person with a well paid job. Scalabrine is on a completely different level. He is mentally ill.

    I pray that I never come across this disabled kid in real life - I will probably break down in sadness at what was a genuine mistake by God to have put him on earth.

    This is the last time I'll post on this thread. I hope you're happy.
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    Wow. This clown is completely delusional. I admit that I'm a forum troll and like to fool around but in real life I'm a sane person with a well paid job. Scalabrine is on a completely different level. He is mentally ill.

    I pray that I never come across this disabled kid in real life - I will probably break down in sadness at what was a genuine mistake by God to have put him on earth.

    This is the last time I'll post on this thread. I hope you're happy.
     
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    I like the Under in game 2. What do you guys think?
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    Yep he's so delusional. Had one good run last year in NFL and thinks he knows sports now. "" Hey guys dump your futures for the ___ because they won't cash. I don't care about hedging or making profit. If you get it at 100-1 and the team makes the finals and still don't win it then I'm still right. Blah blah blah"" pretty much how you sound scal.
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    Yep he's so delusional. Had one good run last year in NFL and thinks he knows sports now. "" Hey guys dump your futures for the ___ because they won't cash. I don't care about hedging or making profit. If you get it at 100-1 and the team makes the finals and still don't win it then I'm still right. Blah blah blah"" pretty much how you sound scal.
     
     
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