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    At +415, the Nets are the most valuable NBA Series play I've seen since the Warriors beat the Mavs

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    Torreny3
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 2:31 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I'd be interested to know if anyone knows of any team ever that swept a team in the regular season only to get swept in the playoffs. I doubt that has happened in NBA history. That has to put the nets at at least 3-1 so right there the 2.5 is live and -155 is not much to ask IMO. 


    Scal- they said on ESPN the other day that there have only been two other times a 1 seed has been swept by their opponent in the regular season and the other two times the team that swept the regular season won the playoff series.  Obviously, Miami was without Wade at times and now they're pretty rested so obviously could be different, but some food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I'd be interested to know if anyone knows of any team ever that swept a team in the regular season only to get swept in the playoffs. I doubt that has happened in NBA history. That has to put the nets at at least 3-1 so right there the 2.5 is live and -155 is not much to ask IMO. 


    Scal- they said on ESPN the other day that there have only been two other times a 1 seed has been swept by their opponent in the regular season and the other two times the team that swept the regular season won the playoff series.  Obviously, Miami was without Wade at times and now they're pretty rested so obviously could be different, but some food for thought.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 2:39 PM ET #27

    Lol. You think there's value on the nets now? Just wait til there down 0-2 in the series.
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    Lol. You think there's value on the nets now? Just wait til there down 0-2 in the series.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 2:48 PM ET #28

     I agree great write-up, however why is it no one brings up Joe Johnson this guy is avg 21.9 pts. a game, he's shooting 52% from the field....Everyone is focusing on DWill while quietly JJ is the go to guy for Brooklyn....with all the experience and interchangeable parts and JJ I think the Nets are the superior team...I will 100% bet them in this series, they are hungry and overcame a feisty Raptors team w home court advantage...Do not forget that as betters we felt the heats kryptonite would be the Nets in the east not the fraud Pacers...

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     I agree great write-up, however why is it no one brings up Joe Johnson this guy is avg 21.9 pts. a game, he's shooting 52% from the field....Everyone is focusing on DWill while quietly JJ is the go to guy for Brooklyn....with all the experience and interchangeable parts and JJ I think the Nets are the superior team...I will 100% bet them in this series, they are hungry and overcame a feisty Raptors team w home court advantage...Do not forget that as betters we felt the heats kryptonite would be the Nets in the east not the fraud Pacers...

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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 4:00 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I'd be interested to know if anyone knows of any team ever that swept a team in the regular season only to get swept in the playoffs. I doubt that has happened in NBA history. That has to put the nets at at least 3-1 so right there the 2.5 is live and -155 is not much to ask IMO. 

    My book showing -129 on this, jumped on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I'd be interested to know if anyone knows of any team ever that swept a team in the regular season only to get swept in the playoffs. I doubt that has happened in NBA history. That has to put the nets at at least 3-1 so right there the 2.5 is live and -155 is not much to ask IMO. 

    My book showing -129 on this, jumped on it.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 4:03 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Torreny3:



    Scal- they said on ESPN the other day that there have only been two other times a 1 seed has been swept by their opponent in the regular season and the other two times the team that swept the regular season won the playoff series.  Obviously, Miami was without Wade at times and now they're pretty rested so obviously could be different, but some food for thought.

    Thanks for finding that. I would have bet money it never happened.
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    Scal- they said on ESPN the other day that there have only been two other times a 1 seed has been swept by their opponent in the regular season and the other two times the team that swept the regular season won the playoff series.  Obviously, Miami was without Wade at times and now they're pretty rested so obviously could be different, but some food for thought.

    Thanks for finding that. I would have bet money it never happened.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 4:04 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDrill:


    My book showing -129 on this, jumped on it.

    I see that there are better odds on this now, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDrill:


    My book showing -129 on this, jumped on it.

    I see that there are better odds on this now, yes.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 5:27 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by RP14:

    Hey guys, have some thoughts I felt like sharing regarding the upcoming Heat vs. Nets series, particularly around why I feel that the Nets at +415 are an extremely valuable play. 

    Firstly, let's get this out of the way early in the thread. The Heat are the defending champs. I'm not here saying they're a false favorite or that the Nets are going to roll through them, I'm simply pointing out that I believe this will be a very close, hard fought series, and one that could very easily see Brooklyn heading home for Game 6 up 3-2. At this price it's an auto play. 

    1. The Brooklyn offense is a very very difficult matchup for the Miami defense. The Heat's defense is predicated on hedging HARD on the pick and roll, often times even 28 feet away from the basket. This team relies on its foot speed after the 4 on 3 develops to A. get the opponent to panic and throw the ball away or B. simply force a contested jump shot due to how quickly Miami recovers. The Brooklyn offense doesn't rely on pick and roll, almost at all. This team plays its offense inside out, and strangely enough it manages to do so by playing shooting guards and small forwards on the inside. Note: these are the kinds of systems Miami often struggles against. Brooklyn doesn't have a Dirk or a Tim Duncan, but the point is that opponents have found playoff success in the past against Miami with a post-centric offense. This style can wear Miami out, it's a grind. 

    2. Miami has the best player in the world, that isn't changing in this series. Thing is, Brooklyn has fantastic floor balance and depth. Brooklyn has solid, experienced players at every position on the floor, many of whom are capable of putting the ball on the floor, posting, hitting 3's, or getting into the paint. This is also very important for the Nets defense, as Pierce, Johnson, Anderson, Livingston, and Kirlenko can all be rotated onto Lebron and Wade as required. There is no one guy being fed to the wolves here with the Lebron responsibility, the Nets have a very interchangeable defense that can switch ad nauseum and not be at a disadvantage while doing so. 

    3. Brooklyn's biggest weakness is its rebounding, particularly how many offensive boards they surrender. This is a non-issue against Miami. Spoelstra makes it a point for the Heat to not chase the offensive glass - similar to Pop and Rivers, Spo has consistently preferred for his teams to get back in transition instead.

    4. Pierce and Garnett have the biggest rivalry with Heat in the entire league, still. Yes, Indiana poses a big threat too, but Pierce and Garnett have a massive chip on their shoulders every time they play against the Heat. No idea what tangible value that creates in this series, if any, but these guys are singlehandedly capable of swinging a game with their mental tricks. Additionally, Garnett is very very well rested. If and when he is needed in this series, his minutes can in fact be upped.

    5. The whole 4-0 in the regular season thing is worth something I suppose, but to me the most important thing is how many minutes of on-court experience this very team has built up playing crunch time, close games in the last 5 mins of the 4th quarter against the 2014 Heat. The Nets are very familiar with the opponent and have shown to not have any inferiority complex whatsoever. 

    The first game may be a tough turnaround off Game 7 and not having seen Miami with Wade in for a while, but nonetheless I think this will be a long, drawn out series and that a Miami win is no sure thing. Similar to how Memphis makes OKC play their least preferred style, Brooklyn brings this out of Miami. I think a fair price on this series is Brooklyn +170, and 245 cents of value make this one of those rare future plays that are actually worth investing in. Good luck to you guys if you decide to take a stab as well. 

    don't throw your money away save it. There is no way heat will lose series, what will that do to Lebron/wade legacy losing to two over the hill players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RP14:

    Hey guys, have some thoughts I felt like sharing regarding the upcoming Heat vs. Nets series, particularly around why I feel that the Nets at +415 are an extremely valuable play. 

    Firstly, let's get this out of the way early in the thread. The Heat are the defending champs. I'm not here saying they're a false favorite or that the Nets are going to roll through them, I'm simply pointing out that I believe this will be a very close, hard fought series, and one that could very easily see Brooklyn heading home for Game 6 up 3-2. At this price it's an auto play. 

    1. The Brooklyn offense is a very very difficult matchup for the Miami defense. The Heat's defense is predicated on hedging HARD on the pick and roll, often times even 28 feet away from the basket. This team relies on its foot speed after the 4 on 3 develops to A. get the opponent to panic and throw the ball away or B. simply force a contested jump shot due to how quickly Miami recovers. The Brooklyn offense doesn't rely on pick and roll, almost at all. This team plays its offense inside out, and strangely enough it manages to do so by playing shooting guards and small forwards on the inside. Note: these are the kinds of systems Miami often struggles against. Brooklyn doesn't have a Dirk or a Tim Duncan, but the point is that opponents have found playoff success in the past against Miami with a post-centric offense. This style can wear Miami out, it's a grind. 

    2. Miami has the best player in the world, that isn't changing in this series. Thing is, Brooklyn has fantastic floor balance and depth. Brooklyn has solid, experienced players at every position on the floor, many of whom are capable of putting the ball on the floor, posting, hitting 3's, or getting into the paint. This is also very important for the Nets defense, as Pierce, Johnson, Anderson, Livingston, and Kirlenko can all be rotated onto Lebron and Wade as required. There is no one guy being fed to the wolves here with the Lebron responsibility, the Nets have a very interchangeable defense that can switch ad nauseum and not be at a disadvantage while doing so. 

    3. Brooklyn's biggest weakness is its rebounding, particularly how many offensive boards they surrender. This is a non-issue against Miami. Spoelstra makes it a point for the Heat to not chase the offensive glass - similar to Pop and Rivers, Spo has consistently preferred for his teams to get back in transition instead.

    4. Pierce and Garnett have the biggest rivalry with Heat in the entire league, still. Yes, Indiana poses a big threat too, but Pierce and Garnett have a massive chip on their shoulders every time they play against the Heat. No idea what tangible value that creates in this series, if any, but these guys are singlehandedly capable of swinging a game with their mental tricks. Additionally, Garnett is very very well rested. If and when he is needed in this series, his minutes can in fact be upped.

    5. The whole 4-0 in the regular season thing is worth something I suppose, but to me the most important thing is how many minutes of on-court experience this very team has built up playing crunch time, close games in the last 5 mins of the 4th quarter against the 2014 Heat. The Nets are very familiar with the opponent and have shown to not have any inferiority complex whatsoever. 

    The first game may be a tough turnaround off Game 7 and not having seen Miami with Wade in for a while, but nonetheless I think this will be a long, drawn out series and that a Miami win is no sure thing. Similar to how Memphis makes OKC play their least preferred style, Brooklyn brings this out of Miami. I think a fair price on this series is Brooklyn +170, and 245 cents of value make this one of those rare future plays that are actually worth investing in. Good luck to you guys if you decide to take a stab as well. 

    don't throw your money away save it. There is no way heat will lose series, what will that do to Lebron/wade legacy losing to two over the hill players?
     
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    Let me point out some keys points for y'all;
    1.Mario is an underrated defender, he can match up with Dwill.
    2. PP and KG can only give nets what 30min at max,
    3. Dwade with all time off will be a match-up nightmare for Brooklyn.
    4. Joe Johnson will not go off on Lebron.
    5. Did you all forgot that Lebron can pass the rock to wide open shooters? Ray allen, Battier, and James Jones? James Jones don't forget about this guy he will be heat secret weapon.
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    Let me point out some keys points for y'all;
    1.Mario is an underrated defender, he can match up with Dwill.
    2. PP and KG can only give nets what 30min at max,
    3. Dwade with all time off will be a match-up nightmare for Brooklyn.
    4. Joe Johnson will not go off on Lebron.
    5. Did you all forgot that Lebron can pass the rock to wide open shooters? Ray allen, Battier, and James Jones? James Jones don't forget about this guy he will be heat secret weapon.
    BOL
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 6:25 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    One hell of a write-up.

    You sir, have opened my eyes to a lot of things. I won't be betting the series as I just cannot lean on Deron to take the nets to the ECF in any way, shape, form, but I will be on the nets in a game or 2 after game 1 given everything you pointed out . Before I read this I would not have been.
    I've been saying this for the last 3 months..... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    One hell of a write-up.

    You sir, have opened my eyes to a lot of things. I won't be betting the series as I just cannot lean on Deron to take the nets to the ECF in any way, shape, form, but I will be on the nets in a game or 2 after game 1 given everything you pointed out . Before I read this I would not have been.
    I've been saying this for the last 3 months..... 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by M0neytrain:

    Let me point out some keys points for y'all;
    1.Mario is an underrated defender, he can match up with Dwill.
    2. PP and KG can only give nets what 30min at max,
    3. Dwade with all time off will be a match-up nightmare for Brooklyn.
    4. Joe Johnson will not go off on Lebron.
    5. Did you all forgot that Lebron can pass the rock to wide open shooters? Ray allen, Battier, and James Jones? James Jones don't forget about this guy he will be heat secret weapon.
    BOL
    LOL..... james jones..... 

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    Let me point out some keys points for y'all;
    1.Mario is an underrated defender, he can match up with Dwill.
    2. PP and KG can only give nets what 30min at max,
    3. Dwade with all time off will be a match-up nightmare for Brooklyn.
    4. Joe Johnson will not go off on Lebron.
    5. Did you all forgot that Lebron can pass the rock to wide open shooters? Ray allen, Battier, and James Jones? James Jones don't forget about this guy he will be heat secret weapon.
    BOL
    LOL..... james jones..... 

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