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    At +415, the Nets are the most valuable NBA Series play I've seen since the Warriors beat the Mavs

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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 3:05 PM ET #1

    Hey guys, have some thoughts I felt like sharing regarding the upcoming Heat vs. Nets series, particularly around why I feel that the Nets at +415 are an extremely valuable play. 

    Firstly, let's get this out of the way early in the thread. The Heat are the defending champs. I'm not here saying they're a false favorite or that the Nets are going to roll through them, I'm simply pointing out that I believe this will be a very close, hard fought series, and one that could very easily see Brooklyn heading home for Game 6 up 3-2. At this price it's an auto play. 

    1. The Brooklyn offense is a very very difficult matchup for the Miami defense. The Heat's defense is predicated on hedging HARD on the pick and roll, often times even 28 feet away from the basket. This team relies on its foot speed after the 4 on 3 develops to A. get the opponent to panic and throw the ball away or B. simply force a contested jump shot due to how quickly Miami recovers. The Brooklyn offense doesn't rely on pick and roll, almost at all. This team plays its offense inside out, and strangely enough it manages to do so by playing shooting guards and small forwards on the inside. Note: these are the kinds of systems Miami often struggles against. Brooklyn doesn't have a Dirk or a Tim Duncan, but the point is that opponents have found playoff success in the past against Miami with a post-centric offense. This style can wear Miami out, it's a grind. 

    2. Miami has the best player in the world, that isn't changing in this series. Thing is, Brooklyn has fantastic floor balance and depth. Brooklyn has solid, experienced players at every position on the floor, many of whom are capable of putting the ball on the floor, posting, hitting 3's, or getting into the paint. This is also very important for the Nets defense, as Pierce, Johnson, Anderson, Livingston, and Kirlenko can all be rotated onto Lebron and Wade as required. There is no one guy being fed to the wolves here with the Lebron responsibility, the Nets have a very interchangeable defense that can switch ad nauseum and not be at a disadvantage while doing so. 

    3. Brooklyn's biggest weakness is its rebounding, particularly how many offensive boards they surrender. This is a non-issue against Miami. Spoelstra makes it a point for the Heat to not chase the offensive glass - similar to Pop and Rivers, Spo has consistently preferred for his teams to get back in transition instead.

    4. Pierce and Garnett have the biggest rivalry with Heat in the entire league, still. Yes, Indiana poses a big threat too, but Pierce and Garnett have a massive chip on their shoulders every time they play against the Heat. No idea what tangible value that creates in this series, if any, but these guys are singlehandedly capable of swinging a game with their mental tricks. Additionally, Garnett is very very well rested. If and when he is needed in this series, his minutes can in fact be upped.

    5. The whole 4-0 in the regular season thing is worth something I suppose, but to me the most important thing is how many minutes of on-court experience this very team has built up playing crunch time, close games in the last 5 mins of the 4th quarter against the 2014 Heat. The Nets are very familiar with the opponent and have shown to not have any inferiority complex whatsoever. 

    The first game may be a tough turnaround off Game 7 and not having seen Miami with Wade in for a while, but nonetheless I think this will be a long, drawn out series and that a Miami win is no sure thing. Similar to how Memphis makes OKC play their least preferred style, Brooklyn brings this out of Miami. I think a fair price on this series is Brooklyn +170, and 245 cents of value make this one of those rare future plays that are actually worth investing in. Good luck to you guys if you decide to take a stab as well. 
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    Hey guys, have some thoughts I felt like sharing regarding the upcoming Heat vs. Nets series, particularly around why I feel that the Nets at +415 are an extremely valuable play. 

    Firstly, let's get this out of the way early in the thread. The Heat are the defending champs. I'm not here saying they're a false favorite or that the Nets are going to roll through them, I'm simply pointing out that I believe this will be a very close, hard fought series, and one that could very easily see Brooklyn heading home for Game 6 up 3-2. At this price it's an auto play. 

    1. The Brooklyn offense is a very very difficult matchup for the Miami defense. The Heat's defense is predicated on hedging HARD on the pick and roll, often times even 28 feet away from the basket. This team relies on its foot speed after the 4 on 3 develops to A. get the opponent to panic and throw the ball away or B. simply force a contested jump shot due to how quickly Miami recovers. The Brooklyn offense doesn't rely on pick and roll, almost at all. This team plays its offense inside out, and strangely enough it manages to do so by playing shooting guards and small forwards on the inside. Note: these are the kinds of systems Miami often struggles against. Brooklyn doesn't have a Dirk or a Tim Duncan, but the point is that opponents have found playoff success in the past against Miami with a post-centric offense. This style can wear Miami out, it's a grind. 

    2. Miami has the best player in the world, that isn't changing in this series. Thing is, Brooklyn has fantastic floor balance and depth. Brooklyn has solid, experienced players at every position on the floor, many of whom are capable of putting the ball on the floor, posting, hitting 3's, or getting into the paint. This is also very important for the Nets defense, as Pierce, Johnson, Anderson, Livingston, and Kirlenko can all be rotated onto Lebron and Wade as required. There is no one guy being fed to the wolves here with the Lebron responsibility, the Nets have a very interchangeable defense that can switch ad nauseum and not be at a disadvantage while doing so. 

    3. Brooklyn's biggest weakness is its rebounding, particularly how many offensive boards they surrender. This is a non-issue against Miami. Spoelstra makes it a point for the Heat to not chase the offensive glass - similar to Pop and Rivers, Spo has consistently preferred for his teams to get back in transition instead.

    4. Pierce and Garnett have the biggest rivalry with Heat in the entire league, still. Yes, Indiana poses a big threat too, but Pierce and Garnett have a massive chip on their shoulders every time they play against the Heat. No idea what tangible value that creates in this series, if any, but these guys are singlehandedly capable of swinging a game with their mental tricks. Additionally, Garnett is very very well rested. If and when he is needed in this series, his minutes can in fact be upped.

    5. The whole 4-0 in the regular season thing is worth something I suppose, but to me the most important thing is how many minutes of on-court experience this very team has built up playing crunch time, close games in the last 5 mins of the 4th quarter against the 2014 Heat. The Nets are very familiar with the opponent and have shown to not have any inferiority complex whatsoever. 

    The first game may be a tough turnaround off Game 7 and not having seen Miami with Wade in for a while, but nonetheless I think this will be a long, drawn out series and that a Miami win is no sure thing. Similar to how Memphis makes OKC play their least preferred style, Brooklyn brings this out of Miami. I think a fair price on this series is Brooklyn +170, and 245 cents of value make this one of those rare future plays that are actually worth investing in. Good luck to you guys if you decide to take a stab as well. 
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 3:35 PM ET #2

    All that text and I managed to not include the play: 

    Brooklyn Series +415 risking 2 units (standard size play for me).
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    All that text and I managed to not include the play: 

    Brooklyn Series +415 risking 2 units (standard size play for me).
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 3:38 PM ET #3

    I agree. Worst case, you can hedge and gurantee some profit when Miami goes down a game
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    I agree. Worst case, you can hedge and gurantee some profit when Miami goes down a game
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 3:51 PM ET #4

    Wasted money. Ask yourself why is a team who beat the Heat 4 out of 4 times this year a +400 dog in the series.  
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    Wasted money. Ask yourself why is a team who beat the Heat 4 out of 4 times this year a +400 dog in the series.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TennisTodd:

    Wasted money. Ask yourself why is a team who beat the Heat 4 out of 4 times this year a +400 dog in the series.  

    Because Vegas opened them only as a +300 dog (just like Memphis vs OKC) and schmo's pounced on the Heat -400 in a 2nd round matchup assuming it's easy money. It isn't. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by TennisTodd:

    Wasted money. Ask yourself why is a team who beat the Heat 4 out of 4 times this year a +400 dog in the series.  

    Because Vegas opened them only as a +300 dog (just like Memphis vs OKC) and schmo's pounced on the Heat -400 in a 2nd round matchup assuming it's easy money. It isn't. 
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 5:27 PM ET #6

    +445 at my book. can't pass this up.
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 5:30 PM ET #7

    Agree 100%
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 5:40 PM ET #8

    I think Pierce said it in his interview after the game. Miami is a different animal in the playoffs. 
    Good point on the rebounding and NJ offense and who knows? If Williams plays out of his mind this'll be close, Pierce and Garnett of a few years ago would scare the hell outta Miami now not so much. I think Miami wins comfortably. 4-1 or 4-2
    I just hope it's close. Good luck. 
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    I think Pierce said it in his interview after the game. Miami is a different animal in the playoffs. 
    Good point on the rebounding and NJ offense and who knows? If Williams plays out of his mind this'll be close, Pierce and Garnett of a few years ago would scare the hell outta Miami now not so much. I think Miami wins comfortably. 4-1 or 4-2
    I just hope it's close. Good luck. 
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 5:40 PM ET #9

    I do see the value though. I just wouldn't go big on it. 
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    I do see the value though. I just wouldn't go big on it. 
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 6:11 PM ET #10

    Nobody is beating the Heat before the Finals.
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 6:22 PM ET #11

    One hell of a write-up.

    You sir, have opened my eyes to a lot of things. I won't be betting the series as I just cannot lean on Deron to take the nets to the ECF in any way, shape, form, but I will be on the nets in a game or 2 after game 1 given everything you pointed out . Before I read this I would not have been.
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    One hell of a write-up.

    You sir, have opened my eyes to a lot of things. I won't be betting the series as I just cannot lean on Deron to take the nets to the ECF in any way, shape, form, but I will be on the nets in a game or 2 after game 1 given everything you pointed out . Before I read this I would not have been.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 6:28 PM ET #12

    While i do think miami prevails, i do agree that nets will be very competative and fully expect nets get a split in miami and this series goes 6 or 7.

    I will be betting nets +2.5 games on the handicapp series line
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    While i do think miami prevails, i do agree that nets will be very competative and fully expect nets get a split in miami and this series goes 6 or 7.

    I will be betting nets +2.5 games on the handicapp series line
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob696969:

    While i do think miami prevails, i do agree that nets will be very competative and fully expect nets get a split in miami and this series goes 6 or 7.

    I will be betting nets +2.5 games on the handicapp series line

    What price are you getting for 2.5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob696969:

    While i do think miami prevails, i do agree that nets will be very competative and fully expect nets get a split in miami and this series goes 6 or 7.

    I will be betting nets +2.5 games on the handicapp series line

    What price are you getting for 2.5?
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 6:39 PM ET #14

    Lol just a bookie begging for dead money to recover from the losses he will take when Miami wins
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    Lol just a bookie begging for dead money to recover from the losses he will take when Miami wins
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 6:47 PM ET #16

    Scalbrine - i am getting nets +2.5 games @ -155. too much juice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob696969:

    Scalbrine - i am getting nets +2.5 games @ -155. too much juice?

    Although I hate them in the series overall (who doesn't outside of the OP) if the Nets can gut out a mere two wins, I think that's a good price to pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob696969:

    Scalbrine - i am getting nets +2.5 games @ -155. too much juice?

    Although I hate them in the series overall (who doesn't outside of the OP) if the Nets can gut out a mere two wins, I think that's a good price to pay.
     
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    I'd be interested to know if anyone knows of any team ever that swept a team in the regular season only to get swept in the playoffs. I doubt that has happened in NBA history. That has to put the nets at at least 3-1 so right there the 2.5 is live and -155 is not much to ask IMO. 
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    I'd be interested to know if anyone knows of any team ever that swept a team in the regular season only to get swept in the playoffs. I doubt that has happened in NBA history. That has to put the nets at at least 3-1 so right there the 2.5 is live and -155 is not much to ask IMO. 
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2014 - 8:14 PM ET #19

    Great write-up,

    I would say I agree with you on every point except that Brooklyn should have been a +170....maybe more 230-260..

    Another thing that is important is how Brooklyn has improved through-out the year after that horrid start. It doesn't seem long ago the talk was about Frank getting fired and if Jason Kidd was the right coach to pick since he had no previous experience. (Though I personally think being an elite pg for years and also being a pg in this era is great experience)  Questions about Pierce, Garnett and Deron Williams health. I mean they started 5-14....and 10-21...meaning they finished 34-17 the last 51 games...They really answered the call and surprisingly despite their veterans, they have this free-flowing energy to their team right now, between coaches and players, that comes despite the fact we know how important it is to this squad to win here and now.

    Good Luck and Thanks for the Write-Up..

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    Great write-up,

    I would say I agree with you on every point except that Brooklyn should have been a +170....maybe more 230-260..

    Another thing that is important is how Brooklyn has improved through-out the year after that horrid start. It doesn't seem long ago the talk was about Frank getting fired and if Jason Kidd was the right coach to pick since he had no previous experience. (Though I personally think being an elite pg for years and also being a pg in this era is great experience)  Questions about Pierce, Garnett and Deron Williams health. I mean they started 5-14....and 10-21...meaning they finished 34-17 the last 51 games...They really answered the call and surprisingly despite their veterans, they have this free-flowing energy to their team right now, between coaches and players, that comes despite the fact we know how important it is to this squad to win here and now.

    Good Luck and Thanks for the Write-Up..

     
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    Very foolish of me not waiting 24 more hours, never seen a series price move 200 cents when it opens at below -1000. 

    Game 1 Play: Nets +8 risking 1.65 to win 1.5, Nets +320 ML risking .5
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    Very foolish of me not waiting 24 more hours, never seen a series price move 200 cents when it opens at below -1000. 

    Game 1 Play: Nets +8 risking 1.65 to win 1.5, Nets +320 ML risking .5
     
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    0-1, -2.2 ytd. About as wrong as can be on that Thunder play last night, Brooks and the players were completely unprepared for the transition from Grizz offense to Clips offense. 
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    0-1, -2.2 ytd. About as wrong as can be on that Thunder play last night, Brooks and the players were completely unprepared for the transition from Grizz offense to Clips offense. 
     
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    I'm amazed at the series price movement also -- I have never seen that much money move a line ever
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    Little note - if you do happen to like the Nets tonight at +8, there's no reason for you not to sprinkle a little on the ML. In the playoffs, the odds of a dog covering without winning are historically very slim. Actually, in any situation really, both regular season and playoffs. 
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    Little note - if you do happen to like the Nets tonight at +8, there's no reason for you not to sprinkle a little on the ML. In the playoffs, the odds of a dog covering without winning are historically very slim. Actually, in any situation really, both regular season and playoffs. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:

    I'm amazed at the series price movement also -- I have never seen that much money move a line ever

    Have no way of proving this, but would assume that this is a lot of tiny money moving the price, wouldn't expect any whales to be lining up to lay -500ish on a series future. 

    I think it's very telling that the Heat only opened at -400 for this series, that alone implies to me that Vegas is taking the Nets very seriously.
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    I'm amazed at the series price movement also -- I have never seen that much money move a line ever

    Have no way of proving this, but would assume that this is a lot of tiny money moving the price, wouldn't expect any whales to be lining up to lay -500ish on a series future. 

    I think it's very telling that the Heat only opened at -400 for this series, that alone implies to me that Vegas is taking the Nets very seriously.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    What price are you getting for 2.5?
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    What price are you getting for 2.5?
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