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    Phillies vs Dodgers in NLCS who ya got?

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    Sparky10191
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:24 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:




    Stuck in Yankee Land?

    Utley is better against lefties (.288 compared to .279 vs righties)

    Werth KILLS lefties (.302 compared to .256)

    Ibanez is better against lefties (.285 compared to .267)

    Victorino smokes lefties (.314 vs .280)

    Ruiz is much better against lefties too (.293 to .242)

    5 of our 8 are better against lefties.  Also got Francisco in the Lee deal to bring pop off the bench against lefties in late game situations

    Howard struggles, but he is smoking everything right now.  He couldn't hit a lefty to save his life in the first half. 

    Rollins and Feliz are better against righties

    Just because Utley and Ibanez are lefties, doesn't mean they can't hit them.  In fact, theyre better against lefties.  Add that to two of the better hitters in the league against lefties (Vic and Werth) and I'd say that's not much of a problem.


    OK...you got me. However...isn't Howard really the centerpiece of your team? I mean...if it wasn't for him...you'd be in Game 5 on Wednesday. The Phillies, as a team, hit .247 v lefties. They hit .264 v righties. The Dodgers hit .270 v both. But I won't get too far into this. I'll let Torre do the talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:




    Stuck in Yankee Land?

    Utley is better against lefties (.288 compared to .279 vs righties)

    Werth KILLS lefties (.302 compared to .256)

    Ibanez is better against lefties (.285 compared to .267)

    Victorino smokes lefties (.314 vs .280)

    Ruiz is much better against lefties too (.293 to .242)

    5 of our 8 are better against lefties.  Also got Francisco in the Lee deal to bring pop off the bench against lefties in late game situations

    Howard struggles, but he is smoking everything right now.  He couldn't hit a lefty to save his life in the first half. 

    Rollins and Feliz are better against righties

    Just because Utley and Ibanez are lefties, doesn't mean they can't hit them.  In fact, theyre better against lefties.  Add that to two of the better hitters in the league against lefties (Vic and Werth) and I'd say that's not much of a problem.


    OK...you got me. However...isn't Howard really the centerpiece of your team? I mean...if it wasn't for him...you'd be in Game 5 on Wednesday. The Phillies, as a team, hit .247 v lefties. They hit .264 v righties. The Dodgers hit .270 v both. But I won't get too far into this. I'll let Torre do the talking.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:24 AM ET #27

    Why are you saying the Phillies are worse against lefties?  The opposite is true.  And, they hit for average against lefties.

    And, why are you ignoring Hamels' and Wolf's splits vs their respective opponents?


    And, Jon Garland?????  Please

    We smoke him.

    2 starts this year:

    0-2 with a 6.35 ERA and a 1.8 WHIP.

    Embarrassing.


    I'm speaking with stats and numbers.  The Phillies lefty argument has zero validity.  
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    Why are you saying the Phillies are worse against lefties?  The opposite is true.  And, they hit for average against lefties.

    And, why are you ignoring Hamels' and Wolf's splits vs their respective opponents?


    And, Jon Garland?????  Please

    We smoke him.

    2 starts this year:

    0-2 with a 6.35 ERA and a 1.8 WHIP.

    Embarrassing.


    I'm speaking with stats and numbers.  The Phillies lefty argument has zero validity.  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:31 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:



    Garland and Billingsley are solid?  Since WHEN?  The DBacks dumped Garland like a piece of trash and Billingsley has been a trainwreck in the last month.  I'm sure they suffice against the stinkin Padres and Giants' putrid offenses.  This aint the Padres or Giants.  Not even close.

    Torre over Manuel?  Just like last season?

    You are reaching.

    Solid to me would be 4 ERA over the year and both billingsley and Garland are right there 4.01 and 4.03. They can give 2 runs over 6 and let the bullpen shut you down! Padilla 3.20 over last 7 games looked great against the cardinals......If you want to compare the two teams from last year lets:

    Ethier and kemp both leaped into role players and loney held his own. Furcal is finally healthy and defense is solid. Pitching is much better than last year and bullpen shines with sherril and broxton.

    Rollins took a step back - utley, victorino and howard excellent players but not better than last year - werth - stud (former dodger) Feliz is weak and ibanez blew his cannon already earlier in year. Hamels no where as dominant and blanton and happ are good but not shutdown pitchers - Lidge ( do I need to say anything) Just ask the cardinals....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:



    Garland and Billingsley are solid?  Since WHEN?  The DBacks dumped Garland like a piece of trash and Billingsley has been a trainwreck in the last month.  I'm sure they suffice against the stinkin Padres and Giants' putrid offenses.  This aint the Padres or Giants.  Not even close.

    Torre over Manuel?  Just like last season?

    You are reaching.

    Solid to me would be 4 ERA over the year and both billingsley and Garland are right there 4.01 and 4.03. They can give 2 runs over 6 and let the bullpen shut you down! Padilla 3.20 over last 7 games looked great against the cardinals......If you want to compare the two teams from last year lets:

    Ethier and kemp both leaped into role players and loney held his own. Furcal is finally healthy and defense is solid. Pitching is much better than last year and bullpen shines with sherril and broxton.

    Rollins took a step back - utley, victorino and howard excellent players but not better than last year - werth - stud (former dodger) Feliz is weak and ibanez blew his cannon already earlier in year. Hamels no where as dominant and blanton and happ are good but not shutdown pitchers - Lidge ( do I need to say anything) Just ask the cardinals....

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:31 AM ET #29

    Hamels might be off this year, but when you own a team, you own that team.  And, Hamels fucking OWNS the Dodgers more than any other team in baseball and yes, that is for 2009 as well
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    Hamels might be off this year, but when you own a team, you own that team.  And, Hamels fucking OWNS the Dodgers more than any other team in baseball and yes, that is for 2009 as well
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:34 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    The Dodgers are trotting out Phils REJECTS Randy Wolf and Vicente Padilla has 2 of their top 3 starters.  These guys couldnt even stick with the Phillies when the Phils sucked.  Then Wolf couldnt stick with the Padres.  Or the Astros.  Then Padilla gets dumped by the pitching starved Rangers.

    There is no way the magic ride is gonna continue for those guys.  Wolf was brutal in his one start and will be lucky to see the 5th inning.  I have no idea how Padilla is doing it right now but let's see how he does vs all the Phils lefties: Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard, Ibanez.

    Well...those "rejects" Wolf and Padilla has a better ERAs than Hamels, Pedro and Blanton.

    Wolf has found himself in Los Angeles and so has Padilla. Padilla hated Texas. The Rangers hated him. He's said he loves playing in LA. He loves the clubhouse, unlike Texas, and just feels at home. So before you rag on these "rejects", remember...they've pitched better with their current team than the 3 of the Phillies' pitchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    The Dodgers are trotting out Phils REJECTS Randy Wolf and Vicente Padilla has 2 of their top 3 starters.  These guys couldnt even stick with the Phillies when the Phils sucked.  Then Wolf couldnt stick with the Padres.  Or the Astros.  Then Padilla gets dumped by the pitching starved Rangers.

    There is no way the magic ride is gonna continue for those guys.  Wolf was brutal in his one start and will be lucky to see the 5th inning.  I have no idea how Padilla is doing it right now but let's see how he does vs all the Phils lefties: Rollins, Victorino, Utley, Howard, Ibanez.

    Well...those "rejects" Wolf and Padilla has a better ERAs than Hamels, Pedro and Blanton.

    Wolf has found himself in Los Angeles and so has Padilla. Padilla hated Texas. The Rangers hated him. He's said he loves playing in LA. He loves the clubhouse, unlike Texas, and just feels at home. So before you rag on these "rejects", remember...they've pitched better with their current team than the 3 of the Phillies' pitchers.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:35 AM ET #31

    Oh, and nobody even mentioned the Phillies defense which is the best in the majors.

    Padilla has seen this lineup once and has a 10.50 ERA.


    And, Kershaw can hang with Lee?  Pass that blunt.

    Lets look at this 2009 SPLITS against us.

    2 games started.

    0-2 with a 5.23 ERA and a 1.45 whip.


    Billingsley is the only pitcher that has ever had any success against us and he has been brutal since 9/1
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    Oh, and nobody even mentioned the Phillies defense which is the best in the majors.

    Padilla has seen this lineup once and has a 10.50 ERA.


    And, Kershaw can hang with Lee?  Pass that blunt.

    Lets look at this 2009 SPLITS against us.

    2 games started.

    0-2 with a 5.23 ERA and a 1.45 whip.


    Billingsley is the only pitcher that has ever had any success against us and he has been brutal since 9/1
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:39 AM ET #32

    Youre looking at their ERA's for the year.  Look at history and how they matchup.


    Garland, Padilla, Wolf and Kershaw have been smoked by us.

    Hamels dominates the Dodgers.

    Cliff Lee saw the Dodgers once last year and threw a fucking gem.


    Far as I'm concerned, two aces for four starts in the series going against pitchers our lineup owns.


    And, I don't think Happ gets a start this series.  Blanton pitched very well in his one start against LAD and Pedro's experience in the warm weather may warrant a look.


    And, two saves in a row for Lidge in tough situations could do wonders for his confidence.  His breaking ball finally had bite tonight and he was locating.
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    Youre looking at their ERA's for the year.  Look at history and how they matchup.


    Garland, Padilla, Wolf and Kershaw have been smoked by us.

    Hamels dominates the Dodgers.

    Cliff Lee saw the Dodgers once last year and threw a fucking gem.


    Far as I'm concerned, two aces for four starts in the series going against pitchers our lineup owns.


    And, I don't think Happ gets a start this series.  Blanton pitched very well in his one start against LAD and Pedro's experience in the warm weather may warrant a look.


    And, two saves in a row for Lidge in tough situations could do wonders for his confidence.  His breaking ball finally had bite tonight and he was locating.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:44 AM ET #33

    I highly doubt Jon Garland gets a start in this series.  He will fare about as well as Jason Hammel did.  They will go with Wolf, Kershaw, Padilla, Billingsley.  No reason to start Garland.
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    I highly doubt Jon Garland gets a start in this series.  He will fare about as well as Jason Hammel did.  They will go with Wolf, Kershaw, Padilla, Billingsley.  No reason to start Garland.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:47 AM ET #34

    And, I'm stuck in 08, yet you bring up Belliard's and Manny's experience from years before 08 and neglect to mention Manny and Torre lost to us and Manuel last year.
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    And, I'm stuck in 08, yet you bring up Belliard's and Manny's experience from years before 08 and neglect to mention Manny and Torre lost to us and Manuel last year.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:48 AM ET #35

    How the Dodgers fared against the Phillies during the regular season:
    • Won season series, 4-3
    • Team batting average: .276
    • Runs scored per game: 3.7
    • Staff ERA: 3.14
    • Outscored Phillies, 26-25

    Seems pretty close and kuroda may pitch... Should be great series. Cliff lee game 3 and may only get to pitch once is not a great scenerio for phillies.

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    How the Dodgers fared against the Phillies during the regular season:
    • Won season series, 4-3
    • Team batting average: .276
    • Runs scored per game: 3.7
    • Staff ERA: 3.14
    • Outscored Phillies, 26-25

    Seems pretty close and kuroda may pitch... Should be great series. Cliff lee game 3 and may only get to pitch once is not a great scenerio for phillies.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:48 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    Youre looking at their ERA's for the year.  Look at history and how they matchup.


    Garland, Padilla, Wolf and Kershaw have been smoked by us.

    Hamels dominates the Dodgers.

    Cliff Lee saw the Dodgers once last year and threw a fucking gem.


    Far as I'm concerned, two aces for four starts in the series going against pitchers our lineup owns.


    And, I don't think Happ gets a start this series.  Blanton pitched very well in his one start against LAD and Pedro's experience in the warm weather may warrant a look.


    And, two saves in a row for Lidge in tough situations could do wonders for his confidence.  His breaking ball finally had bite tonight and he was locating.

    Whats that saying? What have you done for me LATELY? Anyway...your not giving any respect to the Dodgers and you really should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    Youre looking at their ERA's for the year.  Look at history and how they matchup.


    Garland, Padilla, Wolf and Kershaw have been smoked by us.

    Hamels dominates the Dodgers.

    Cliff Lee saw the Dodgers once last year and threw a fucking gem.


    Far as I'm concerned, two aces for four starts in the series going against pitchers our lineup owns.


    And, I don't think Happ gets a start this series.  Blanton pitched very well in his one start against LAD and Pedro's experience in the warm weather may warrant a look.


    And, two saves in a row for Lidge in tough situations could do wonders for his confidence.  His breaking ball finally had bite tonight and he was locating.

    Whats that saying? What have you done for me LATELY? Anyway...your not giving any respect to the Dodgers and you really should.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:53 AM ET #37

    Lee would only pitch once if the Dodgers win in 5.

    And, the Phillies staff ERA?  Moyer was the only pitcher to get hit at all.


    The Phils couldve easily won 6-1.  The Dodgers won three games either by tying it or taking the lead in the bottom of the 9th.  Either had two walk offs in a row I think.  Phillies outplayed them in every game, but one.  If their bullpen gives up 3 runs every 9th inning, then of course theyll lose this series too.
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    Lee would only pitch once if the Dodgers win in 5.

    And, the Phillies staff ERA?  Moyer was the only pitcher to get hit at all.


    The Phils couldve easily won 6-1.  The Dodgers won three games either by tying it or taking the lead in the bottom of the 9th.  Either had two walk offs in a row I think.  Phillies outplayed them in every game, but one.  If their bullpen gives up 3 runs every 9th inning, then of course theyll lose this series too.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:54 AM ET #38

    Respect to their pitching staff and Torre's success with Nyy?

    These are the same things that everyone said last year
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    Respect to their pitching staff and Torre's success with Nyy?

    These are the same things that everyone said last year
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:55 AM ET #39

    The point of my argument is to demonstrate how much of a starting pitching advantage we have.  Someone earlier in this thread tried to say it was even.  They have a bunch of average pitchers and Kershaw who have all been killed by our lineup.

    To say prior matchups between a pitcher and batter don't matter is ludicrous. 

    Same reason why Hamels mows that lineup down each and every start
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    The point of my argument is to demonstrate how much of a starting pitching advantage we have.  Someone earlier in this thread tried to say it was even.  They have a bunch of average pitchers and Kershaw who have all been killed by our lineup.

    To say prior matchups between a pitcher and batter don't matter is ludicrous. 

    Same reason why Hamels mows that lineup down each and every start
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:56 AM ET #40

    And, the weather will be beautiful on Thursday.  Good news for Hamels since he apparently hates the cold.  Such a girl.
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    And, the weather will be beautiful on Thursday.  Good news for Hamels since he apparently hates the cold.  Such a girl.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:56 AM ET #41

    Not true - If lee pitches game 3 he would be on 2 days rest if he pitches game 6. No chance of that happeneing. Unless they give 2 days between games which is not probable.
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    Not true - If lee pitches game 3 he would be on 2 days rest if he pitches game 6. No chance of that happeneing. Unless they give 2 days between games which is not probable.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:57 AM ET #42

    I gotta get some sleep.  Always good to have some baseball arguing.

    Beautiful thing is they get to play it out on the field.  Phils lose, and I'll be the first to bump this and say congrats

    Here's to an entertaining series.
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    I gotta get some sleep.  Always good to have some baseball arguing.

    Beautiful thing is they get to play it out on the field.  Phils lose, and I'll be the first to bump this and say congrats

    Here's to an entertaining series.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 12:59 AM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    The point of my argument is to demonstrate how much of a starting pitching advantage we have.  Someone earlier in this thread tried to say it was even.  They have a bunch of average pitchers and Kershaw who have all been killed by our lineup.

    To say prior matchups between a pitcher and batter don't matter is ludicrous. 

    Same reason why Hamels mows that lineup down each and every start

    Heres to a great series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    The point of my argument is to demonstrate how much of a starting pitching advantage we have.  Someone earlier in this thread tried to say it was even.  They have a bunch of average pitchers and Kershaw who have all been killed by our lineup.

    To say prior matchups between a pitcher and batter don't matter is ludicrous. 

    Same reason why Hamels mows that lineup down each and every start

    Heres to a great series

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 1:01 AM ET #44

    STUCK-ey, look at your team hitting stats against lefties, they are subpar, as a team they are below 2.50 hitting average.  If you are a fan u should know this as even in prior seasons they tended to be shutdown against lefties.  In case you didn't know baseball is a team game.   Manny was a beast in hitting last year in the playoffs but was it enough........ NO.

    And what the hell makes you think Torre would start Garland when we have better pitchers to choose from???

    And to your "And, Kershaw can hang with Lee?  Pass that blunt" bonehead comment #49203983573434   Here is a little reality stat check for you:

    Clayton Kershaw ERA 2.79  WHIP 1.23 SO 185
    Cliff Lee              ERA 3.22  WHIP 1.24 SO 181

    Oh and Kershaw ranks 5th in NL ERA/3rd in NL BB/11th in NL Strikeout.

    So YES Kershaw can hang with Lee!  And Sparky for the love of STUCK-ey's few remaining brain cells PLEASE don't pass him the Blunt.
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    STUCK-ey, look at your team hitting stats against lefties, they are subpar, as a team they are below 2.50 hitting average.  If you are a fan u should know this as even in prior seasons they tended to be shutdown against lefties.  In case you didn't know baseball is a team game.   Manny was a beast in hitting last year in the playoffs but was it enough........ NO.

    And what the hell makes you think Torre would start Garland when we have better pitchers to choose from???

    And to your "And, Kershaw can hang with Lee?  Pass that blunt" bonehead comment #49203983573434   Here is a little reality stat check for you:

    Clayton Kershaw ERA 2.79  WHIP 1.23 SO 185
    Cliff Lee              ERA 3.22  WHIP 1.24 SO 181

    Oh and Kershaw ranks 5th in NL ERA/3rd in NL BB/11th in NL Strikeout.

    So YES Kershaw can hang with Lee!  And Sparky for the love of STUCK-ey's few remaining brain cells PLEASE don't pass him the Blunt.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 1:01 AM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    Respect to their pitching staff and Torre's success with Nyy?

    These are the same things that everyone said last year

    You really should respect them and mean it. If you don't, then once you lose, you'll have lost to a pretty much garbage team.

    See...you should do what I do. I give the Angels all the credit in the world. If they beat the Yanks, nobody can quote me as saying that I thought the Yankees were the much better team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuckey:

    Respect to their pitching staff and Torre's success with Nyy?

    These are the same things that everyone said last year

    You really should respect them and mean it. If you don't, then once you lose, you'll have lost to a pretty much garbage team.

    See...you should do what I do. I give the Angels all the credit in the world. If they beat the Yanks, nobody can quote me as saying that I thought the Yankees were the much better team.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 1:17 AM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeet_Skeet:

    STUCK-ey, look at your team hitting stats against lefties, they are subpar, as a team they are below 2.50 hitting average.  If you are a fan u should know this as even in prior seasons they tended to be shutdown against lefties.  In case you didn't know baseball is a team game.   Manny was a beast in hitting last year in the playoffs but was it enough........ NO.

    And what the hell makes you think Torre would start Garland when we have better pitchers to choose from???

    And to your "And, Kershaw can hang with Lee?  Pass that blunt" bonehead comment #49203983573434   Here is a little reality stat check for you:

    Clayton Kershaw ERA 2.79  WHIP 1.23 SO 185
    Cliff Lee              ERA 3.22  WHIP 1.24 SO 181

    Oh and Kershaw ranks 5th in NL ERA/3rd in NL BB/11th in NL Strikeout.

    So YES Kershaw can hang with Lee!  And Sparky for the love of STUCK-ey's few remaining brain cells PLEASE don't pass him the Blunt.

    If you haven't noticed...I'm cheering for the Dodgers. Yankees v Dodgers has been my dream matchup since Torre went to LA. They'll meet next season in LA, but I want to see Torre back in the Bronx. I had the Cardinals in Game 1 and 2 in about every contest possible but cheered for the Dodgers every time as well. After that impressive sweep...I'm sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeet_Skeet:

    STUCK-ey, look at your team hitting stats against lefties, they are subpar, as a team they are below 2.50 hitting average.  If you are a fan u should know this as even in prior seasons they tended to be shutdown against lefties.  In case you didn't know baseball is a team game.   Manny was a beast in hitting last year in the playoffs but was it enough........ NO.

    And what the hell makes you think Torre would start Garland when we have better pitchers to choose from???

    And to your "And, Kershaw can hang with Lee?  Pass that blunt" bonehead comment #49203983573434   Here is a little reality stat check for you:

    Clayton Kershaw ERA 2.79  WHIP 1.23 SO 185
    Cliff Lee              ERA 3.22  WHIP 1.24 SO 181

    Oh and Kershaw ranks 5th in NL ERA/3rd in NL BB/11th in NL Strikeout.

    So YES Kershaw can hang with Lee!  And Sparky for the love of STUCK-ey's few remaining brain cells PLEASE don't pass him the Blunt.

    If you haven't noticed...I'm cheering for the Dodgers. Yankees v Dodgers has been my dream matchup since Torre went to LA. They'll meet next season in LA, but I want to see Torre back in the Bronx. I had the Cardinals in Game 1 and 2 in about every contest possible but cheered for the Dodgers every time as well. After that impressive sweep...I'm sold.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 1:25 AM ET #47

    Hey Sparks yeah I can tell.  On one half I do want to see the exact same matchup LA vs Yankees but on the other half I don't with the Yankees having home field advantage and matchup problems for the Dodgers against the Yanks.  I'm sure it's a great exciting feeling for you as well to see your team strong in the playoffs.  I know I am and Thursday can't come fast enough. 
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    Hey Sparks yeah I can tell.  On one half I do want to see the exact same matchup LA vs Yankees but on the other half I don't with the Yankees having home field advantage and matchup problems for the Dodgers against the Yanks.  I'm sure it's a great exciting feeling for you as well to see your team strong in the playoffs.  I know I am and Thursday can't come fast enough. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 1:45 AM ET #48

    very interesting thread going hear and i agree with everything stuckey has said ...hell even ol charlie is working for his money this year the way hes managing this team ....he dont get eneough credit ....i not saying i like the phillies just because i live in that great city , im saying i think they are the better team except for the bullpen and i will say even tho torre is a better manager overall i think this year charlie is having a good stretch where he has done well.
    the phillies are reay to repeat id love to see them and the yankees but like i said be4 the angels just might win that series
     
    wolf omg come on guys dont say hes got anything going against the phillies hes a bum against them and hamels has had an off yr but watch him on thursday nite .....im not good at typing or id type pages of reasons why the phillies win this series ....gl guys
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    very interesting thread going hear and i agree with everything stuckey has said ...hell even ol charlie is working for his money this year the way hes managing this team ....he dont get eneough credit ....i not saying i like the phillies just because i live in that great city , im saying i think they are the better team except for the bullpen and i will say even tho torre is a better manager overall i think this year charlie is having a good stretch where he has done well.
    the phillies are reay to repeat id love to see them and the yankees but like i said be4 the angels just might win that series
     
    wolf omg come on guys dont say hes got anything going against the phillies hes a bum against them and hamels has had an off yr but watch him on thursday nite .....im not good at typing or id type pages of reasons why the phillies win this series ....gl guys
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 2:38 AM ET #49

    LA Doyers de Mexico...en seis !!!
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    LA Doyers de Mexico...en seis !!!
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 11:53 AM ET #50

    Batting: Phillies (By Far!) but the Dodgers do have good lefty pitchers that can match up.

    Pitching: Draw, This would be the Phillies again but i think the dodgers pitchers match up well.

    Bullpen: Dodgers, not by much. (Lidge, Durbin, Eyre and Madson can shut down that pathetic LA offense.)

    Coaching: Phillies, I think they're both great, but Manuel won the world series last year and Torre hasn't in a LONG time.
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    Batting: Phillies (By Far!) but the Dodgers do have good lefty pitchers that can match up.

    Pitching: Draw, This would be the Phillies again but i think the dodgers pitchers match up well.

    Bullpen: Dodgers, not by much. (Lidge, Durbin, Eyre and Madson can shut down that pathetic LA offense.)

    Coaching: Phillies, I think they're both great, but Manuel won the world series last year and Torre hasn't in a LONG time.
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