Rays have solid pitching and bullpen relief I'll give you that, but as the season moves on there are other "factors" that will drive this team into 2nd or 3rd place overall in their division. But BOL.
What are those other "factors" ?
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Quote Originally Posted by gators4ever:
Rays have solid pitching and bullpen relief I'll give you that, but as the season moves on there are other "factors" that will drive this team into 2nd or 3rd place overall in their division. But BOL.
Yeah, Mariano is terrible. Who would ever want that guy as their closer. The man is 38 and is in better shape then some 25 year olds. He's a freak of nature and could probably pitch into his mid 40's.
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Quote Originally Posted by slimjim511:
Joba should be their next closer, i agree
Yeah, Mariano is terrible. Who would ever want that guy as their closer. The man is 38 and is in better shape then some 25 year olds. He's a freak of nature and could probably pitch into his mid 40's.
chase, of all the people on here, you make some of the most ridiculous unthought of comments. Like youve never watched sports. So the yankee lineup, which did this same exact thing last year before tearing it up, is worse that that of the jays? Your insane. When its on its still the best lineup in the division easily. I dont care about the sox championship, they are nothing to fear.
Don't be such a homer man. They have a better lineup then the Jays, and I never
said otherwise. The Jays have a better team though. The best pitching staff in
the game will get your further than a good lineup..
And now the best part...Jays are even HITTING better than the Yanks this season. Jays are 18th in batting average and Yanks are 19th. Yes, that's only one spot and I expect the Yankees to finish ahead of the Jays in hitting, but their lineup isn't that great and their pitching is terrible.
The good thing for Yankee fans though is that you'll at least be in a close competition all year....with the O's for last place.
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Quote Originally Posted by Osirus13:
chase, of all the people on here, you make some of the most ridiculous unthought of comments. Like youve never watched sports. So the yankee lineup, which did this same exact thing last year before tearing it up, is worse that that of the jays? Your insane. When its on its still the best lineup in the division easily. I dont care about the sox championship, they are nothing to fear.
Don't be such a homer man. They have a better lineup then the Jays, and I never
said otherwise. The Jays have a better team though. The best pitching staff in
the game will get your further than a good lineup..
And now the best part...Jays are even HITTING better than the Yanks this season. Jays are 18th in batting average and Yanks are 19th. Yes, that's only one spot and I expect the Yankees to finish ahead of the Jays in hitting, but their lineup isn't that great and their pitching is terrible.
The good thing for Yankee fans though is that you'll at least be in a close competition all year....with the O's for last place.
Don't be such a homer man. They have a better lineup then the Jays, and I never said otherwise. The Jays have a better team though. The best pitching staff in the game will get your further than a good lineup..
And now the best part...Jays are even HITTING better than the Yanks this season. Jays are 18th in batting average and Yanks are 19th. Yes, that's only one spot and I expect the Yankees to finish ahead of the Jays in hitting, but their lineup isn't that great and their pitching is terrible.
The good thing for Yankee fans though is that you'll at least be in a close competition all year....with the O's for last place.
Toronto's TEAM is garbage... they'll be battling for 4th place..
although as a team they sure, individually they have the best starting pitching in baseball.. so to compare it to the Yankees & say they're all better isn't such a big deal... when you can compared them to any other team in baseball & get the same outcome
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Quote Originally Posted by -Chase-:
Don't be such a homer man. They have a better lineup then the Jays, and I never said otherwise. The Jays have a better team though. The best pitching staff in the game will get your further than a good lineup..
And now the best part...Jays are even HITTING better than the Yanks this season. Jays are 18th in batting average and Yanks are 19th. Yes, that's only one spot and I expect the Yankees to finish ahead of the Jays in hitting, but their lineup isn't that great and their pitching is terrible.
The good thing for Yankee fans though is that you'll at least be in a close competition all year....with the O's for last place.
Toronto's TEAM is garbage... they'll be battling for 4th place..
although as a team they sure, individually they have the best starting pitching in baseball.. so to compare it to the Yankees & say they're all better isn't such a big deal... when you can compared them to any other team in baseball & get the same outcome
not being a homer. they jays are shit and will finish below the yanks. Do you want me to start one of those gay 19-0 pats train threads, but with the yanks finishing above those teams? Yankees are battling injuries, and yes inconsistency but the talent is there for hughes and kennedy, they arent shitty pitchers.
Last nights johan santana line: 12 hits, 1 k. 138 million. In the long run, nyy made the right no deal
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not being a homer. they jays are shit and will finish below the yanks. Do you want me to start one of those gay 19-0 pats train threads, but with the yanks finishing above those teams? Yankees are battling injuries, and yes inconsistency but the talent is there for hughes and kennedy, they arent shitty pitchers.
Last nights johan santana line: 12 hits, 1 k. 138 million. In the long run, nyy made the right no deal
The next couple of games will really show what they are made of. Darrell Rasner seems to be this year's Aaron Small. Ian Kennedy was beyond impressive yesterday, minus his 4 walks. That was the Kennedy that they didn't want to give up for Santana. A-Rod is back with a bang, and everyone can see that already. Cano has been on a tear hitting very well over his last 12 games with 8 RBIs including the game winning hit last night hitting it to the opposite field which he said afterward that he was aiming that way. Anybody remember the fiasco with Sweet Lou last season. After that tyraid, the team turned their season around. Girardi may have had the same effect on the team last night. Showing them that he will fight for his team, and as soon as he threw down his hat and kicked it, the fans went nuts. Now sure they only got 1 run against a pitcher like Burress who they really should be able crush, but they did crush the lefty the day before. We'll see how the series turns out against the Mariners who they have swept earlier in the season at the Stadium. The only concern that I have right now is Wang's health as he slightly hurt his quad I believe it was when covering 1st base in his last start against the Mets. He is expected to throw in the bullpen and if everything looks fine, he'll be making his start on Saturday. All I'm saying is that if the Yanks start to tear it up in their next 3 games, they will be a force to be reckin with. Remember last season, they were put down after the first 2 months. Come on now, its a 6 month sport with pleanty of division games. Damon is coming around now, and pending on how the Joba switch turns out, I'm ready to come back and laugh at everyone who put them down AGAIN come October.
Yeah Sparkey Bronx Bombers are not that great and won't make the playoffs, you and I don't believe that for a second, hey now we've got all the intangibles and tradition to get us where we going to be in the end of this one, you watch, Rodriguez finally gets his World Series win, the momentum will build and we will get stronger as the season moves on.
Tradition in the House that Ruth built, need I say more...
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
The next couple of games will really show what they are made of. Darrell Rasner seems to be this year's Aaron Small. Ian Kennedy was beyond impressive yesterday, minus his 4 walks. That was the Kennedy that they didn't want to give up for Santana. A-Rod is back with a bang, and everyone can see that already. Cano has been on a tear hitting very well over his last 12 games with 8 RBIs including the game winning hit last night hitting it to the opposite field which he said afterward that he was aiming that way. Anybody remember the fiasco with Sweet Lou last season. After that tyraid, the team turned their season around. Girardi may have had the same effect on the team last night. Showing them that he will fight for his team, and as soon as he threw down his hat and kicked it, the fans went nuts. Now sure they only got 1 run against a pitcher like Burress who they really should be able crush, but they did crush the lefty the day before. We'll see how the series turns out against the Mariners who they have swept earlier in the season at the Stadium. The only concern that I have right now is Wang's health as he slightly hurt his quad I believe it was when covering 1st base in his last start against the Mets. He is expected to throw in the bullpen and if everything looks fine, he'll be making his start on Saturday. All I'm saying is that if the Yanks start to tear it up in their next 3 games, they will be a force to be reckin with. Remember last season, they were put down after the first 2 months. Come on now, its a 6 month sport with pleanty of division games. Damon is coming around now, and pending on how the Joba switch turns out, I'm ready to come back and laugh at everyone who put them down AGAIN come October.
Yeah Sparkey Bronx Bombers are not that great and won't make the playoffs, you and I don't believe that for a second, hey now we've got all the intangibles and tradition to get us where we going to be in the end of this one, you watch, Rodriguez finally gets his World Series win, the momentum will build and we will get stronger as the season moves on.
Tradition in the House that Ruth built, need I say more...
The next couple of games will really show what they are made of. Darrell Rasner seems to be this year's Aaron Small. Ian Kennedy was beyond impressive yesterday, minus his 4 walks. That was the Kennedy that they didn't want to give up for Santana. A-Rod is back with a bang, and everyone can see that already. Cano has been on a tear hitting very well over his last 12 games with 8 RBIs including the game winning hit last night hitting it to the opposite field which he said afterward that he was aiming that way. Anybody remember the fiasco with Sweet Lou last season. After that tyraid, the team turned their season around. Girardi may have had the same effect on the team last night. Showing them that he will fight for his team, and as soon as he threw down his hat and kicked it, the fans went nuts. Now sure they only got 1 run against a pitcher like Burress who they really should be able crush, but they did crush the lefty the day before. We'll see how the series turns out against the Mariners who they have swept earlier in the season at the Stadium. The only concern that I have right now is Wang's health as he slightly hurt his quad I believe it was when covering 1st base in his last start against the Mets. He is expected to throw in the bullpen and if everything looks fine, he'll be making his start on Saturday. All I'm saying is that if the Yanks start to tear it up in their next 3 games, they will be a force to be reckin with. Remember last season, they were put down after the first 2 months. Come on now, its a 6 month sport with pleanty of division games. Damon is coming around now, and pending on how the Joba switch turns out, I'm ready to come back and laugh at everyone who put them down AGAIN come October.
Sparky I know your a passionate fan but comon man. I am a lifetime Yankee fan myself...I go back to Mantle. This is not their year...an aging outfield that has to be one of worst fielding outfields in baseball, a terrible starting rotation and first base is a horrible joke! These young pitchers have a long way to go and guys like Mussina and Pettitte are not going to carry this club through the summer. My bet is they are just above 500 when the season ends. 85 games seems right. This is Dave Windfield Era II with no chemsitry and a lot of fading players moving past their prime. Yanks need to shed all this dead weight now and move on.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
The next couple of games will really show what they are made of. Darrell Rasner seems to be this year's Aaron Small. Ian Kennedy was beyond impressive yesterday, minus his 4 walks. That was the Kennedy that they didn't want to give up for Santana. A-Rod is back with a bang, and everyone can see that already. Cano has been on a tear hitting very well over his last 12 games with 8 RBIs including the game winning hit last night hitting it to the opposite field which he said afterward that he was aiming that way. Anybody remember the fiasco with Sweet Lou last season. After that tyraid, the team turned their season around. Girardi may have had the same effect on the team last night. Showing them that he will fight for his team, and as soon as he threw down his hat and kicked it, the fans went nuts. Now sure they only got 1 run against a pitcher like Burress who they really should be able crush, but they did crush the lefty the day before. We'll see how the series turns out against the Mariners who they have swept earlier in the season at the Stadium. The only concern that I have right now is Wang's health as he slightly hurt his quad I believe it was when covering 1st base in his last start against the Mets. He is expected to throw in the bullpen and if everything looks fine, he'll be making his start on Saturday. All I'm saying is that if the Yanks start to tear it up in their next 3 games, they will be a force to be reckin with. Remember last season, they were put down after the first 2 months. Come on now, its a 6 month sport with pleanty of division games. Damon is coming around now, and pending on how the Joba switch turns out, I'm ready to come back and laugh at everyone who put them down AGAIN come October.
Sparky I know your a passionate fan but comon man. I am a lifetime Yankee fan myself...I go back to Mantle. This is not their year...an aging outfield that has to be one of worst fielding outfields in baseball, a terrible starting rotation and first base is a horrible joke! These young pitchers have a long way to go and guys like Mussina and Pettitte are not going to carry this club through the summer. My bet is they are just above 500 when the season ends. 85 games seems right. This is Dave Windfield Era II with no chemsitry and a lot of fading players moving past their prime. Yanks need to shed all this dead weight now and move on.
not being a homer. they jays are shit and will finish below the yanks. Do you want me to start one of those gay 19-0 pats train threads, but with the yanks finishing above those teams? Yankees are battling injuries, and yes inconsistency but the talent is there for hughes and kennedy, they arent shitty pitchers.
Last nights johan santana line: 12 hits, 1 k. 138 million. In the long run, nyy made the right no deal
I could not agree with you more Osirus13, fade, fade, fade J. Santana...Yanks definitely made the right call here, would like to see us add another strong pitcher and outfielder this year..
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Quote Originally Posted by Osirus13:
not being a homer. they jays are shit and will finish below the yanks. Do you want me to start one of those gay 19-0 pats train threads, but with the yanks finishing above those teams? Yankees are battling injuries, and yes inconsistency but the talent is there for hughes and kennedy, they arent shitty pitchers.
Last nights johan santana line: 12 hits, 1 k. 138 million. In the long run, nyy made the right no deal
I could not agree with you more Osirus13, fade, fade, fade J. Santana...Yanks definitely made the right call here, would like to see us add another strong pitcher and outfielder this year..
Don't be such a homer man. They have a better lineup then the Jays, and I never said otherwise. The Jays have a better team though. The best pitching staff in the game will get your further than a good lineup..
And now the best part...Jays are even HITTING better than the Yanks this season. Jays are 18th in batting average and Yanks are 19th. Yes, that's only one spot and I expect the Yankees to finish ahead of the Jays in hitting, but their lineup isn't that great and their pitching is terrible.
The good thing for Yankee fans though is that you'll at least be in a close competition all year....with the O's for last place.
Had to comment on this. First off...Halladay may be considered a better pitcher then Wang, but Wang has the most wins of any pitcher over the last 2 seasons, and that is what matters overall. His 4 complete games this season means really nothing seeing that he lost 3 of them. Next, I don't belive that Marcum is better then Pettitte. Maybe Pettitte hasn't started off strong this season, but if it went down to a 1 game playoff to decide the final spot of the playoffs, are you teling me that you would take Marcum on the mound to outpitch Pettitte? I know I wouldn't. Burnett is better then Mussina, but Mussina is tied for 3rd in wins with 7. I have no idea why you mentioned McGowan over Hughes when Rasner is obviously going to get the job over Hughes the way he is pitching, and I believe that although Rasner may not be a better overall pitcher then McGowan, he sure is this season in the games he has pitched. Litsch is better then Kennedy, but Kennedy did have a great start his last outing and looks to be coming out of his slump. The Jays bullpen probably is better then the Yanks pen, but there really is no telling what is going to happen with bullpens until after the all-star break because once Joba moves to the rotation, they are going to bring up another pitcher who is supposed to be this season's Joba Chamberlain such as Alan Horne or Scott Patterson. And as of now, I believe that the Yanks jumped over a few teams since your post on the offensive side. It's the A-Rod affect. Since A-Rod has come back, Lefties are hitting .439, with Cano and Giambi busting out of their slumps. And maybe right now the Jays have better pitching, but Burnett hasn't shown much potential this season, and if Joba's move to the rotation works the way they hope it does, they have an awsome top 3 starters. The season is young, and the Yanks can easily come back and take the lead of the division. Hell...they already took 2 games from the Sox in 2 days.
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Quote Originally Posted by -Chase-:
Don't be such a homer man. They have a better lineup then the Jays, and I never said otherwise. The Jays have a better team though. The best pitching staff in the game will get your further than a good lineup..
And now the best part...Jays are even HITTING better than the Yanks this season. Jays are 18th in batting average and Yanks are 19th. Yes, that's only one spot and I expect the Yankees to finish ahead of the Jays in hitting, but their lineup isn't that great and their pitching is terrible.
The good thing for Yankee fans though is that you'll at least be in a close competition all year....with the O's for last place.
Had to comment on this. First off...Halladay may be considered a better pitcher then Wang, but Wang has the most wins of any pitcher over the last 2 seasons, and that is what matters overall. His 4 complete games this season means really nothing seeing that he lost 3 of them. Next, I don't belive that Marcum is better then Pettitte. Maybe Pettitte hasn't started off strong this season, but if it went down to a 1 game playoff to decide the final spot of the playoffs, are you teling me that you would take Marcum on the mound to outpitch Pettitte? I know I wouldn't. Burnett is better then Mussina, but Mussina is tied for 3rd in wins with 7. I have no idea why you mentioned McGowan over Hughes when Rasner is obviously going to get the job over Hughes the way he is pitching, and I believe that although Rasner may not be a better overall pitcher then McGowan, he sure is this season in the games he has pitched. Litsch is better then Kennedy, but Kennedy did have a great start his last outing and looks to be coming out of his slump. The Jays bullpen probably is better then the Yanks pen, but there really is no telling what is going to happen with bullpens until after the all-star break because once Joba moves to the rotation, they are going to bring up another pitcher who is supposed to be this season's Joba Chamberlain such as Alan Horne or Scott Patterson. And as of now, I believe that the Yanks jumped over a few teams since your post on the offensive side. It's the A-Rod affect. Since A-Rod has come back, Lefties are hitting .439, with Cano and Giambi busting out of their slumps. And maybe right now the Jays have better pitching, but Burnett hasn't shown much potential this season, and if Joba's move to the rotation works the way they hope it does, they have an awsome top 3 starters. The season is young, and the Yanks can easily come back and take the lead of the division. Hell...they already took 2 games from the Sox in 2 days.
The only chance the Yankees have of making the world series is the typical "Yankees Magic"
The all star break rolls around and they are a good 5-6 games out of first place. They think to themselves "how can we fix this"
They go to the teams struggling in dead last place and say "Name your price for all of your best players"
Then the Yankees buy up a couple of all stars... and the wheels on the bus will start rolling.
This has got to be the stupidest comment I have seen in a while. They did no such thing last season and came back, what makes you think that they will do it this season. If they would refuse to give up young talent for Johan Santana of all people, they won't go after anybody else. And besides, relievers are way to expensive now-a-days. No way will they go after anybody else. The only reason they got Hawkins was because he didn't demand a multi-year contract.
Also...just for the record, the Yanks have only played 8 games this season where Jeter, A-Rod, and Posada have played in the same game.
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Quote Originally Posted by woopdurritis:
The only chance the Yankees have of making the world series is the typical "Yankees Magic"
The all star break rolls around and they are a good 5-6 games out of first place. They think to themselves "how can we fix this"
They go to the teams struggling in dead last place and say "Name your price for all of your best players"
Then the Yankees buy up a couple of all stars... and the wheels on the bus will start rolling.
This has got to be the stupidest comment I have seen in a while. They did no such thing last season and came back, what makes you think that they will do it this season. If they would refuse to give up young talent for Johan Santana of all people, they won't go after anybody else. And besides, relievers are way to expensive now-a-days. No way will they go after anybody else. The only reason they got Hawkins was because he didn't demand a multi-year contract.
Also...just for the record, the Yanks have only played 8 games this season where Jeter, A-Rod, and Posada have played in the same game.
Sparky I know your a passionate fan but comon man. I am a lifetime Yankee fan myself...I go back to Mantle. This is not their year...an aging outfield that has to be one of worst fielding outfields in baseball, a terrible starting rotation and first base is a horrible joke! These young pitchers have a long way to go and guys like Mussina and Pettitte are not going to carry this club through the summer. My bet is they are just above 500 when the season ends. 85 games seems right. This is Dave Windfield Era II with no chemsitry and a lot of fading players moving past their prime. Yanks need to shed all this dead weight now and move on.
You my friend are correct and do not have the blurred "unrealistic" vision of most yankee fans.
Yanks will not make the playoffs. They need to win the division to make the playoffs this year as the wild card will not come from the AL East. The division is too competitive and with the unbalanced scheduling it will reflect in the # of wins being split up between the Rays, Jays, and Yanks.
The Central and West is less competitive and they will provide the WC team this year.
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Quote Originally Posted by Pinstripes:
Sparky I know your a passionate fan but comon man. I am a lifetime Yankee fan myself...I go back to Mantle. This is not their year...an aging outfield that has to be one of worst fielding outfields in baseball, a terrible starting rotation and first base is a horrible joke! These young pitchers have a long way to go and guys like Mussina and Pettitte are not going to carry this club through the summer. My bet is they are just above 500 when the season ends. 85 games seems right. This is Dave Windfield Era II with no chemsitry and a lot of fading players moving past their prime. Yanks need to shed all this dead weight now and move on.
You my friend are correct and do not have the blurred "unrealistic" vision of most yankee fans.
Yanks will not make the playoffs. They need to win the division to make the playoffs this year as the wild card will not come from the AL East. The division is too competitive and with the unbalanced scheduling it will reflect in the # of wins being split up between the Rays, Jays, and Yanks.
The Central and West is less competitive and they will provide the WC team this year.
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lots of games left..... they need to be a game or 2 out at the allstar break...
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