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    I have just read 1 of the dumbest articles about instant replay in MLB...

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    packers1992
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2014 - 7:08 PM ET #1

    Guys i never cease to be amazed by the stupidity of the BBWAA cult as well as the bloggers. There's a writer named Craig Calcaterra he writes for hardballtalk which is like profootballtalk that's owned by NBC. Here is what Mr.Sabermetric geek i mean Mr.Calcaterra wrote:

    "So manager's challenges will be a part of replay in 2015 which we've said countless times is dumb. Dumb and to date never justified publicly by MLB"

    I would say to Mr.C that dumb is better described to people who voted for Mike Trout for MVP over Miguel Cabrera when Miggy won the triple crown but that's for another day. i also on tv heard veteran MLB writer Mel Antonen say "Replay in baseball doesn't work" I never cease to be amazed

    Now keyelement gets on my case because i present my opinions as facts. So i will bring you the facts about LY"s instant replay system in MLB. I found a site that gives you stats about everything that involves replay and i do mean everything, Facts:

    There were 1274 Challenges/reviews and calls were overturned 47% of the time and about 600 calls that were wrong LY were made right. {They don't give you the exact number they didn't have it available} So MLB games had 600 wrong calls made right. yeah we just have to eliminate replay because we can't have calls be right
    Look the system isn't perfect. There are some tweaks that have to be made. Here are my ideas and i had these LY as well:

    1. Either put a 5th umpire in a replay booth to be the "Replay Umpire" He can be a retired umpire who can't work the field or you can develop replay umpires whatever you like

    2. If you don't want to go that route and keep the replay room in New York City then lets have 1 replay umpire following 1 game. So if we have 15 games on a Sunday there are 15 replay umpires who just follow 1 game each. And when there's a close play they are watching the game and if it is challenged/reviewed they have already looked at the play and could say"You got it right or You blew the call which would cut down on some time on reviews"

    3. Mr Calcaterra doesn't like replay challenges i do. My problem is for example in 1 game this year Brad Ausmus challenged twice won both challenges and so that's it no more challenges. Why? Why can't have a 3rd,4th,18th etc? If he keeps winning challenges he should get to keep the challenge. Now i understand some will say "packers what if Ausmus challenges 18 times in a game?" And i'd say well the umpires need to start getting the calls rightBecause their incompitence is why we're in this mess

    I never had an issue with managers looking into the dugout to get thumbs up or thumbs down on the review. hell in football you can look at the video board to determine if you should challenge so why not in MLB?

    Look i'll wrap this up guys by saying the following. Is instant replay in MLB perfect? No it has some bugs that have to be worked out and it needs to be tweaked and IMO MLB needs to spend some of this money they brag about to train people to be replay umpires. But at least 600 calls were made right LY. You reading this probably won at least 1 MLB bet LY because of an overturned call for your side or against it. Who wants to see the next Don Dekinnger? Or Jim Joyce? We're getting calls right. Either evolve with it or get lost in the shuffle because this train will move with you or without you

    If you want me to put on here Umpire,manager and team replay success let me know and i'll post it next week. But for now your thoughts guys?
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    Guys i never cease to be amazed by the stupidity of the BBWAA cult as well as the bloggers. There's a writer named Craig Calcaterra he writes for hardballtalk which is like profootballtalk that's owned by NBC. Here is what Mr.Sabermetric geek i mean Mr.Calcaterra wrote:

    "So manager's challenges will be a part of replay in 2015 which we've said countless times is dumb. Dumb and to date never justified publicly by MLB"

    I would say to Mr.C that dumb is better described to people who voted for Mike Trout for MVP over Miguel Cabrera when Miggy won the triple crown but that's for another day. i also on tv heard veteran MLB writer Mel Antonen say "Replay in baseball doesn't work" I never cease to be amazed

    Now keyelement gets on my case because i present my opinions as facts. So i will bring you the facts about LY"s instant replay system in MLB. I found a site that gives you stats about everything that involves replay and i do mean everything, Facts:

    There were 1274 Challenges/reviews and calls were overturned 47% of the time and about 600 calls that were wrong LY were made right. {They don't give you the exact number they didn't have it available} So MLB games had 600 wrong calls made right. yeah we just have to eliminate replay because we can't have calls be right
    Look the system isn't perfect. There are some tweaks that have to be made. Here are my ideas and i had these LY as well:

    1. Either put a 5th umpire in a replay booth to be the "Replay Umpire" He can be a retired umpire who can't work the field or you can develop replay umpires whatever you like

    2. If you don't want to go that route and keep the replay room in New York City then lets have 1 replay umpire following 1 game. So if we have 15 games on a Sunday there are 15 replay umpires who just follow 1 game each. And when there's a close play they are watching the game and if it is challenged/reviewed they have already looked at the play and could say"You got it right or You blew the call which would cut down on some time on reviews"

    3. Mr Calcaterra doesn't like replay challenges i do. My problem is for example in 1 game this year Brad Ausmus challenged twice won both challenges and so that's it no more challenges. Why? Why can't have a 3rd,4th,18th etc? If he keeps winning challenges he should get to keep the challenge. Now i understand some will say "packers what if Ausmus challenges 18 times in a game?" And i'd say well the umpires need to start getting the calls rightBecause their incompitence is why we're in this mess

    I never had an issue with managers looking into the dugout to get thumbs up or thumbs down on the review. hell in football you can look at the video board to determine if you should challenge so why not in MLB?

    Look i'll wrap this up guys by saying the following. Is instant replay in MLB perfect? No it has some bugs that have to be worked out and it needs to be tweaked and IMO MLB needs to spend some of this money they brag about to train people to be replay umpires. But at least 600 calls were made right LY. You reading this probably won at least 1 MLB bet LY because of an overturned call for your side or against it. Who wants to see the next Don Dekinnger? Or Jim Joyce? We're getting calls right. Either evolve with it or get lost in the shuffle because this train will move with you or without you

    If you want me to put on here Umpire,manager and team replay success let me know and i'll post it next week. But for now your thoughts guys?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2014 - 11:10 PM ET #2

    You know as basically a purist I don't care for replay but as a realist I know it is here to stay and I can accept that. I totally agree with you on the two challenge limit being silly, as long as you are getting them right then you should always have a challenge. Teams shouldn't be penalized because the Ump's blow 3 or more calls in the first 6 innings. I like the replay being in a centralized war room, but I don't like that they have umpiring crews assigned to it. I think these officials need to be a separate entity from the guys on the field. Peers shouldn't be reviewing peers. Other than that and some minor rules tweaking on what can be challenged that are slipping my mind right now because I am tired I think replay worked pretty well.
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    You know as basically a purist I don't care for replay but as a realist I know it is here to stay and I can accept that. I totally agree with you on the two challenge limit being silly, as long as you are getting them right then you should always have a challenge. Teams shouldn't be penalized because the Ump's blow 3 or more calls in the first 6 innings. I like the replay being in a centralized war room, but I don't like that they have umpiring crews assigned to it. I think these officials need to be a separate entity from the guys on the field. Peers shouldn't be reviewing peers. Other than that and some minor rules tweaking on what can be challenged that are slipping my mind right now because I am tired I think replay worked pretty well.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2014 - 9:47 AM ET #3

    Replay in baseball


    does


    not


    work.






    Scrap it.
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    Replay in baseball


    does


    not


    work.






    Scrap it.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2014 - 9:31 PM ET #4

    Replay in Baseball DOES work.

    The problem is the time it takes.

    In an era where MLB is trying to speed the game along.

    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Replay in Baseball DOES work.

    The problem is the time it takes.

    In an era where MLB is trying to speed the game along.

     
    BigGame90
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2014 - 6:46 PM ET #5

    Umpires need an ear piece that is dialed into the NY studio. One replay ump for 3 games. Ideally 1 or 2 games at a time and the other 1 or 2 games at the later time.
    It's not hard to have the umps stay in their position and wait for the call from the studio. The home plate umps presses the magic button and the replay crew is already on top of the call. They make the call to the ear piece and it's done. It will take 1 minute to get done at max.

    Replay does work.

    If they want to speed up the game they need to get hitters in the box like the rules say. If you add up certain players times everythime they step out of the box during a game you'll find they take more time then replay.

    Catcher should only be able to visit the pitcher once per inning. If that''s all the coaches get that's all the catchers should get.

    Replay does work, umps are not perfect but the camera catches 98% of every play.
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    Umpires need an ear piece that is dialed into the NY studio. One replay ump for 3 games. Ideally 1 or 2 games at a time and the other 1 or 2 games at the later time.
    It's not hard to have the umps stay in their position and wait for the call from the studio. The home plate umps presses the magic button and the replay crew is already on top of the call. They make the call to the ear piece and it's done. It will take 1 minute to get done at max.

    Replay does work.

    If they want to speed up the game they need to get hitters in the box like the rules say. If you add up certain players times everythime they step out of the box during a game you'll find they take more time then replay.

    Catcher should only be able to visit the pitcher once per inning. If that''s all the coaches get that's all the catchers should get.

    Replay does work, umps are not perfect but the camera catches 98% of every play.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2014 - 7:09 PM ET #6

    BG90 - I agree with much of what you say and would add that the speed of the game is slowed by TV commercials, which seem to grow by about 30 seconds per year. Players no longer have to hustle on and off the field because the TV commercials allow plenty of time.

    As for instant replay I can live with it, but what drives me nuts is New York looking at every possible angle a dozen times over three or four minutes. That is BS. If there is no obvious error seen in one minute the call should stand. The object of instant replay is not to search, search, search for a way to overturn. The umpire had about a tenth of a second to make the call. One minute is 3600 times that. If it isn't apparent, affirm the call and stop searching.
    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    BG90 - I agree with much of what you say and would add that the speed of the game is slowed by TV commercials, which seem to grow by about 30 seconds per year. Players no longer have to hustle on and off the field because the TV commercials allow plenty of time.

    As for instant replay I can live with it, but what drives me nuts is New York looking at every possible angle a dozen times over three or four minutes. That is BS. If there is no obvious error seen in one minute the call should stand. The object of instant replay is not to search, search, search for a way to overturn. The umpire had about a tenth of a second to make the call. One minute is 3600 times that. If it isn't apparent, affirm the call and stop searching.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 24, 2014 - 8:14 AM ET #7

    well said key   good conversation guys,,
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    well said key   good conversation guys,,
     
     
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    KEY- I think you're right about the commercials. I didn't even think about that time.

    If the home announcers are able to view the instant replay before the umps have time to check in with NY there are changes that can be made to speed the game up (the home viewers and home announcers usually have the call made before the umps call into NY). Maybe they need to have an instant reply room in every ball park. One vet ump and one rookie ump under training (or a rookie ump and a replay specialist). The rookie ump can spend a year in the replay before he hits the field. or act as a back up in case a field ump has to leave the game.

    Replay is intended to get the call right. You can have replay with out effecting the game as long as the system is dialed in and the small details are worked out.

    I am not for the pitch tracker however. Some players are 5'6 and some players are 6'5. Balls curve and the play isn't a square. A big curve ball might not catch the plate since the back half is angled. They need to can that pitch tracker all together.




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    KEY- I think you're right about the commercials. I didn't even think about that time.

    If the home announcers are able to view the instant replay before the umps have time to check in with NY there are changes that can be made to speed the game up (the home viewers and home announcers usually have the call made before the umps call into NY). Maybe they need to have an instant reply room in every ball park. One vet ump and one rookie ump under training (or a rookie ump and a replay specialist). The rookie ump can spend a year in the replay before he hits the field. or act as a back up in case a field ump has to leave the game.

    Replay is intended to get the call right. You can have replay with out effecting the game as long as the system is dialed in and the small details are worked out.

    I am not for the pitch tracker however. Some players are 5'6 and some players are 6'5. Balls curve and the play isn't a square. A big curve ball might not catch the plate since the back half is angled. They need to can that pitch tracker all together.




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