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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 10:22 PM ET #326

    2 run homer

    Markakis also hit his 22 double so far this game.... Tied 3rd in the entire MLB.

    Not his fault there is no one on base when he gets up and no one drives him in when he is on base.

    Other Markakis Clutch stats:

    RISP with 2 outs:

    .391 BA/ .500 OBP/ 1.065 OPS

    Late in game and Close:

    .371 BA/ .522 OBP/ .979 OPS

    Tie game:

    .333 BA/ .444 OBP/ .831 OPS
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    2 run homer

    Markakis also hit his 22 double so far this game.... Tied 3rd in the entire MLB.

    Not his fault there is no one on base when he gets up and no one drives him in when he is on base.

    Other Markakis Clutch stats:

    RISP with 2 outs:

    .391 BA/ .500 OBP/ 1.065 OPS

    Late in game and Close:

    .371 BA/ .522 OBP/ .979 OPS

    Tie game:

    .333 BA/ .444 OBP/ .831 OPS
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 10:28 PM ET #327

    Both guys are keepers would take either of them on any team that I started  thats for certain!
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    Both guys are keepers would take either of them on any team that I started  thats for certain!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 10:49 PM ET #328

    Did I wake him?
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:21 PM ET #329

    Markakis is a stud....people were comparing him to Sizemore and maybe Sizemore was better...but look who is standing pretty now.....
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    Markakis is a stud....people were comparing him to Sizemore and maybe Sizemore was better...but look who is standing pretty now.....
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:24 PM ET #330

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    Did I wake him?


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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:29 PM ET #331

    Quote Originally Posted by JJsLocks:

    Markakis is a stud....people were comparing him to Sizemore and maybe Sizemore was better...but look who is standing pretty now.....


    Just imagine what his numbers would be in a lineup like the Yankees or Red Sox

    He would be on baseball tonight and sportcenter daily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJsLocks:

    Markakis is a stud....people were comparing him to Sizemore and maybe Sizemore was better...but look who is standing pretty now.....


    Just imagine what his numbers would be in a lineup like the Yankees or Red Sox

    He would be on baseball tonight and sportcenter daily.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:32 PM ET #332

    Them O's almost did it again. I almost had to bump my LMAO @ Orioles thread. That would have been really sad if he blew that one 1 day after getting the job back.
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:37 PM ET #333

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    Them O's almost did it again. I almost had to bump my LMAO @ Orioles thread. That would have been really sad if he blew that one 1 day after getting the job back.


    I wouldnt say Simon got hte job back.

    Also Hernandez didnt pitch too awful last night.

    First hitter - No doubt it was just awful. Four straight balls and only the first one was close. He either wasn't loose or was overthrowing or both.

    2nd hitter - Hairston. Got up 0-2 on two good fastballs. Threw an 0-2 fastball that was about shoulder high and just off the outside corner. Hairston was hacking. He hit a routine ground ball in the hole between 1st and 2nd. Lugo was pulled to 2nd and doesn't have great range so the ball got into right field. It wasn't the pitch I would have thrown, but it wasn't a bad pitch on 0-2. Honestly, Hairston had an awful at bat and got very lucky. That could just as easily have been a pop up or double play.

    3rd hitter - Bunted, hard, just to DH's right. He falls to the left when he releases the ball normally and he froze for just a second. Still, he got to the ball in time, but the guy could run. DH rushed and pulled Lugo off the bag. Why Lugo instead of Wiggy when the ball was bunted to the 3rd base side? I'm not really sure.

    4th hitter - DH struck him out TWICE. He took a 1-2 pitch that was a strike that the umpire missed because it wasn't at the glove. He threw three sliders to this guy including one that hung, but ultimately struck him out on high heat.

    5th hitter - Eckstein. He threw a nice fastball at knees on inside to get ahead. He threw another good FB that was just barely fouled off. On 0-2, he threw the one pitch I really don't understand in the inning. It was a letter high fastball on the outside part of the plate. It was a borderline strike and Eckstein just slapped it into right field. That was clearly the time to bury the slider or bust him inside, but don't let him slap a ball away. It was Wieters' call and DH didn't shake him off. Just a really poor pitch selection.

    6th hitter - He threw some nice sliders and fastballs to Gwynn. Gwynn fouled off a 1-2 FB that was knee high on the outside corner. It was a nice stay alive swing. The ground out was smoked (hardest hit ball of the inning). It was on a slider that was up just a little, but honestly he put a good swing on it.

    last hitter - Adrian Gonzalez - We tried to tie him up with a first pitch fastball on his hands. It was between the belt and letters and had about two inches of the plate rather than right in the corner. He is just a helluva hitter and he put a great swing on it. I wouldn't have started him with that pitch, but I understand the rationale. Get ahead or hope he swings and doesn't quite get there in time for a pop up / fly out. It didn't work.

    DH didn't look bad to me with the exception of the first hitter. He was throwing like he normally does in relief after that. What I mean was that his location was inconsistent but his stuff was very good. I wonder if he got fully loose before the first hitter. We rallied very late in the top of the 9th so he didn't get a lot of time.

    Also this is hte first time Hernandez pitched back home. So he might have had some nerves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    Them O's almost did it again. I almost had to bump my LMAO @ Orioles thread. That would have been really sad if he blew that one 1 day after getting the job back.


    I wouldnt say Simon got hte job back.

    Also Hernandez didnt pitch too awful last night.

    First hitter - No doubt it was just awful. Four straight balls and only the first one was close. He either wasn't loose or was overthrowing or both.

    2nd hitter - Hairston. Got up 0-2 on two good fastballs. Threw an 0-2 fastball that was about shoulder high and just off the outside corner. Hairston was hacking. He hit a routine ground ball in the hole between 1st and 2nd. Lugo was pulled to 2nd and doesn't have great range so the ball got into right field. It wasn't the pitch I would have thrown, but it wasn't a bad pitch on 0-2. Honestly, Hairston had an awful at bat and got very lucky. That could just as easily have been a pop up or double play.

    3rd hitter - Bunted, hard, just to DH's right. He falls to the left when he releases the ball normally and he froze for just a second. Still, he got to the ball in time, but the guy could run. DH rushed and pulled Lugo off the bag. Why Lugo instead of Wiggy when the ball was bunted to the 3rd base side? I'm not really sure.

    4th hitter - DH struck him out TWICE. He took a 1-2 pitch that was a strike that the umpire missed because it wasn't at the glove. He threw three sliders to this guy including one that hung, but ultimately struck him out on high heat.

    5th hitter - Eckstein. He threw a nice fastball at knees on inside to get ahead. He threw another good FB that was just barely fouled off. On 0-2, he threw the one pitch I really don't understand in the inning. It was a letter high fastball on the outside part of the plate. It was a borderline strike and Eckstein just slapped it into right field. That was clearly the time to bury the slider or bust him inside, but don't let him slap a ball away. It was Wieters' call and DH didn't shake him off. Just a really poor pitch selection.

    6th hitter - He threw some nice sliders and fastballs to Gwynn. Gwynn fouled off a 1-2 FB that was knee high on the outside corner. It was a nice stay alive swing. The ground out was smoked (hardest hit ball of the inning). It was on a slider that was up just a little, but honestly he put a good swing on it.

    last hitter - Adrian Gonzalez - We tried to tie him up with a first pitch fastball on his hands. It was between the belt and letters and had about two inches of the plate rather than right in the corner. He is just a helluva hitter and he put a great swing on it. I wouldn't have started him with that pitch, but I understand the rationale. Get ahead or hope he swings and doesn't quite get there in time for a pop up / fly out. It didn't work.

    DH didn't look bad to me with the exception of the first hitter. He was throwing like he normally does in relief after that. What I mean was that his location was inconsistent but his stuff was very good. I wonder if he got fully loose before the first hitter. We rallied very late in the top of the 9th so he didn't get a lot of time.

    Also this is hte first time Hernandez pitched back home. So he might have had some nerves.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:44 PM ET #334

    I'm so confused with Samuel though. He said Hernandez was the closer. Then he blew the save last night and then today didn't he say Simon was the closer? Is Mike Gonzalez going to be like Houston Street and get the job back regardless when he comes back? It's easier for me to just watch and not try to pick up any closers for fantasy baseball purposes.
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    I'm so confused with Samuel though. He said Hernandez was the closer. Then he blew the save last night and then today didn't he say Simon was the closer? Is Mike Gonzalez going to be like Houston Street and get the job back regardless when he comes back? It's easier for me to just watch and not try to pick up any closers for fantasy baseball purposes.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:50 PM ET #335

    Yea Samuel might have said that but actions speak louder than words.

    Hernandez has been great out of hte bullpen and the closers role. He didnt pitch great when starting and that is because he couldnt get past 5 innings most of the time. He just doenst have the secondary stuff to consistently get through a lineup multiple times and he doesnt throw 95+ as a starter but when in the bullpen he can dial it up to 99, on occasion.

    Simon also wasnt sharp his first time back from the DL. Its going to be closer by whoever Samuel feels. Simon and DH will both get chances and I dont expect Gonzo back anytime soon anyway. And when he does come back he wont immediately get hte closer role.
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    Yea Samuel might have said that but actions speak louder than words.

    Hernandez has been great out of hte bullpen and the closers role. He didnt pitch great when starting and that is because he couldnt get past 5 innings most of the time. He just doenst have the secondary stuff to consistently get through a lineup multiple times and he doesnt throw 95+ as a starter but when in the bullpen he can dial it up to 99, on occasion.

    Simon also wasnt sharp his first time back from the DL. Its going to be closer by whoever Samuel feels. Simon and DH will both get chances and I dont expect Gonzo back anytime soon anyway. And when he does come back he wont immediately get hte closer role.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:52 PM ET #336

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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2010 - 12:01 AM ET #338

    I like the idea of putting Hernandez in the closer role, Jpero...great analysis, btw!

    It sucks man, i asked my roommate tonight when we were down 3-1 if we would make it to 40 wins with the all star break looming and only 17 wins (now 18).....to be humorous..

    At this point, we can only evaluate talent and look at who belongs with the squad...you mentioned you had some insider info on the internal issues....any updates?

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    I like the idea of putting Hernandez in the closer role, Jpero...great analysis, btw!

    It sucks man, i asked my roommate tonight when we were down 3-1 if we would make it to 40 wins with the all star break looming and only 17 wins (now 18).....to be humorous..

    At this point, we can only evaluate talent and look at who belongs with the squad...you mentioned you had some insider info on the internal issues....any updates?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2010 - 12:01 AM ET #339

    Maybe I should just become a bandwagon fan like a lot of Yankee and Red Sox fans.

    Not saying Sparky is one of those fans but I know plenty of Yankee and Sox fans who know absolutely nothing about the history of the teams or their past and who have never even been to games or watched games because they dont even live near the teams. They are fans of hte teams because they are good.

    I'd rather suffer with mediocrity and stay true and loyal. Ill sink with the ship instead of jumping ship.
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    Maybe I should just become a bandwagon fan like a lot of Yankee and Red Sox fans.

    Not saying Sparky is one of those fans but I know plenty of Yankee and Sox fans who know absolutely nothing about the history of the teams or their past and who have never even been to games or watched games because they dont even live near the teams. They are fans of hte teams because they are good.

    I'd rather suffer with mediocrity and stay true and loyal. Ill sink with the ship instead of jumping ship.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2010 - 12:06 AM ET #340

    You never know what game it will be that supplies the spark that gets them feeling good. Maybe it was tonight. Now they got Arrieta pitching tomorrow. Back to back wins ???
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    You never know what game it will be that supplies the spark that gets them feeling good. Maybe it was tonight. Now they got Arrieta pitching tomorrow. Back to back wins ???
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2010 - 12:12 AM ET #341

    Quote Originally Posted by jpero:

    Maybe I should just become a bandwagon fan like a lot of Yankee and Red Sox fans.

    Not saying Sparky is one of those fans but I know plenty of Yankee and Sox fans who know absolutely nothing about the history of the teams or their past and who have never even been to games or watched games because they dont even live near the teams. They are fans of hte teams because they are good.

    I'd rather suffer with mediocrity and stay true and loyal. Ill sink with the ship instead of jumping ship.

    I know exactly what you are saying Jpero, and i experienced it living in a city outside of the AL East....

    I went to undergrad in North Carolina...not once would i see a Red Sox fan...as soon as they went to the series against the Cards the Red Sox fans popped out of the ground like worms after a nice draught...1% of the campus was from mass and i think 20% of them were Red Sox fans...I can not stand bandwagoners....very annoying...

    It almost took away from the despite i had towards the Yankees...I have a 'Yankees Suck' t-shirt that i wore regulary to the gym...to be honest with you I hate hte Red Sox more than I yankees....I guess I have come subdued to the yanks banging out the biggest payroll every year...clear advantage

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    Maybe I should just become a bandwagon fan like a lot of Yankee and Red Sox fans.

    Not saying Sparky is one of those fans but I know plenty of Yankee and Sox fans who know absolutely nothing about the history of the teams or their past and who have never even been to games or watched games because they dont even live near the teams. They are fans of hte teams because they are good.

    I'd rather suffer with mediocrity and stay true and loyal. Ill sink with the ship instead of jumping ship.

    I know exactly what you are saying Jpero, and i experienced it living in a city outside of the AL East....

    I went to undergrad in North Carolina...not once would i see a Red Sox fan...as soon as they went to the series against the Cards the Red Sox fans popped out of the ground like worms after a nice draught...1% of the campus was from mass and i think 20% of them were Red Sox fans...I can not stand bandwagoners....very annoying...

    It almost took away from the despite i had towards the Yankees...I have a 'Yankees Suck' t-shirt that i wore regulary to the gym...to be honest with you I hate hte Red Sox more than I yankees....I guess I have come subdued to the yanks banging out the biggest payroll every year...clear advantage

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJsLocks:

    I like the idea of putting Hernandez in the closer role, Jpero...great analysis, btw!

    It sucks man, i asked my roommate tonight when we were down 3-1 if we would make it to 40 wins with the all star break looming and only 17 wins (now 18).....to be humorous..

    At this point, we can only evaluate talent and look at who belongs with the squad...you mentioned you had some insider info on the internal issues....any updates?



    No updates yet. When I do hear anything I'll let you know.

    All I have been told so far is the minor league development staff and the scouting department are finger pointing. The scouting department says they have drafted talented players and the development people are failing ot develop those players properly. The development people are saying they are be given players who they can't work with.... This is more in terms of positional players and not the pitching.

    And that Peter, ever since hiring Andy, has stayed away from all baseball operations as promised. However he is upset and not happy that Andy signed Gonzo without giving an MRI and signed Atkins. Peter is huge on physicals after the Belle mishap and although Gonzo had a physical no MRI was given.
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    I like the idea of putting Hernandez in the closer role, Jpero...great analysis, btw!

    It sucks man, i asked my roommate tonight when we were down 3-1 if we would make it to 40 wins with the all star break looming and only 17 wins (now 18).....to be humorous..

    At this point, we can only evaluate talent and look at who belongs with the squad...you mentioned you had some insider info on the internal issues....any updates?



    No updates yet. When I do hear anything I'll let you know.

    All I have been told so far is the minor league development staff and the scouting department are finger pointing. The scouting department says they have drafted talented players and the development people are failing ot develop those players properly. The development people are saying they are be given players who they can't work with.... This is more in terms of positional players and not the pitching.

    And that Peter, ever since hiring Andy, has stayed away from all baseball operations as promised. However he is upset and not happy that Andy signed Gonzo without giving an MRI and signed Atkins. Peter is huge on physicals after the Belle mishap and although Gonzo had a physical no MRI was given.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpero:



    No updates yet. When I do hear anything I'll let you know.

    All I have been told so far is the minor league development staff and the scouting department are finger pointing. The scouting department says they have drafted talented players and the development people are failing ot develop those players properly. The development people are saying they are be given players who they can't work with.... This is more in terms of positional players and not the pitching.

    And that Peter, ever since hiring Andy, has stayed away from all baseball operations as promised. However he is upset and not happy that Andy signed Gonzo without giving an MRI and signed Atkins. Peter is huge on physicals after the Belle mishap and although Gonzo had a physical no MRI was given.

    Angelos is an idiot and does not know enough about baseball to make those statements....the gonzo situation was a clear error, yes.....but that shouldn't give him the upper hand to McPhail in decision making....

    thanks for the updates, in advance!

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    No updates yet. When I do hear anything I'll let you know.

    All I have been told so far is the minor league development staff and the scouting department are finger pointing. The scouting department says they have drafted talented players and the development people are failing ot develop those players properly. The development people are saying they are be given players who they can't work with.... This is more in terms of positional players and not the pitching.

    And that Peter, ever since hiring Andy, has stayed away from all baseball operations as promised. However he is upset and not happy that Andy signed Gonzo without giving an MRI and signed Atkins. Peter is huge on physicals after the Belle mishap and although Gonzo had a physical no MRI was given.

    Angelos is an idiot and does not know enough about baseball to make those statements....the gonzo situation was a clear error, yes.....but that shouldn't give him the upper hand to McPhail in decision making....

    thanks for the updates, in advance!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GamzOver:

    You never know what game it will be that supplies the spark that gets them feeling good. Maybe it was tonight. Now they got Arrieta pitching tomorrow. Back to back wins ???


    Could be back to back wins.

    Was just readings something about Jake and he said he thinks Britton is the best pitcher he has seen in the Orioles system. Said he reminds him of Jon Lester with a better sinker. Also spoke highly of Erbe and said when the smoke clears and he gets adjusted that he should be a great pitcher.
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    You never know what game it will be that supplies the spark that gets them feeling good. Maybe it was tonight. Now they got Arrieta pitching tomorrow. Back to back wins ???


    Could be back to back wins.

    Was just readings something about Jake and he said he thinks Britton is the best pitcher he has seen in the Orioles system. Said he reminds him of Jon Lester with a better sinker. Also spoke highly of Erbe and said when the smoke clears and he gets adjusted that he should be a great pitcher.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GamzOver:

    You never know what game it will be that supplies the spark that gets them feeling good. Maybe it was tonight. Now they got Arrieta pitching tomorrow. Back to back wins ???

    I usually say there is no value in taking the O's...but I have to say there is value tomorrow. However...they haven't won back to back games since May 15th and have only done so on the road once. I don't know what the O's are doing on Sunday's this season but last year was certainly unforgetable.

    I was gonna pick up Arrieta on my fantasy team but I was beat to it. Was going to use him for a spot start tomorrow but my opponent got him instead. Not saying Arrieta is bad, but playing at Petco makes a lot of guys look like STARS and there is a good chance he pitches a shutout tomorrow (maybe not 9 innings, but however long he's in there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamzOver:

    You never know what game it will be that supplies the spark that gets them feeling good. Maybe it was tonight. Now they got Arrieta pitching tomorrow. Back to back wins ???

    I usually say there is no value in taking the O's...but I have to say there is value tomorrow. However...they haven't won back to back games since May 15th and have only done so on the road once. I don't know what the O's are doing on Sunday's this season but last year was certainly unforgetable.

    I was gonna pick up Arrieta on my fantasy team but I was beat to it. Was going to use him for a spot start tomorrow but my opponent got him instead. Not saying Arrieta is bad, but playing at Petco makes a lot of guys look like STARS and there is a good chance he pitches a shutout tomorrow (maybe not 9 innings, but however long he's in there).

     
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    good point, Sparky....Petco is a great pitchers park...good value in any pitchers there....that is why i drafted Garland...
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    good point, Sparky....Petco is a great pitchers park...good value in any pitchers there....that is why i drafted Garland...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    I usually say there is no value in taking the O's...but I have to say there is value tomorrow. However...they haven't won back to back games since May 15th and have only done so on the road once. I don't know what the O's are doing on Sunday's this season but last year was certainly unforgetable.

    I was gonna pick up Arrieta on my fantasy team but I was beat to it. Was going to use him for a spot start tomorrow but my opponent got him instead. Not saying Arrieta is bad, but playing at Petco makes a lot of guys look like STARS and there is a good chance he pitches a shutout tomorrow (maybe not 9 innings, but however long he's in there).



    So you still think Tillman is better than Matusz and Arrieta even though I told you I didnt think so. Tillman has the most upside but I dont think he gets there. Matusz is the best bet to reach his ceiling but his ceiling is a tad lower. Arrieta has a power arm but has had control issues. If he can harness those issues he can be a great pitcher because he has the make up and mentality.

    Oh yea.... Some Matusz stats since you were hating on him over hte past month.

    Brian Matusz

    Since June 1st up until the 5th inning yesterday

    25.1 IP
    6 ER
    8 BB
    19 K
    17 H

    2.15 ERA
    0.98 WHIP

    Some pretty damn good numbers. Wish the K rate was a little higher.

    Also he has had 3 bad starts and the rest have been quality, whether by definition or not. And one of his bad starts was against Minny when he had a blister problem.
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    I usually say there is no value in taking the O's...but I have to say there is value tomorrow. However...they haven't won back to back games since May 15th and have only done so on the road once. I don't know what the O's are doing on Sunday's this season but last year was certainly unforgetable.

    I was gonna pick up Arrieta on my fantasy team but I was beat to it. Was going to use him for a spot start tomorrow but my opponent got him instead. Not saying Arrieta is bad, but playing at Petco makes a lot of guys look like STARS and there is a good chance he pitches a shutout tomorrow (maybe not 9 innings, but however long he's in there).



    So you still think Tillman is better than Matusz and Arrieta even though I told you I didnt think so. Tillman has the most upside but I dont think he gets there. Matusz is the best bet to reach his ceiling but his ceiling is a tad lower. Arrieta has a power arm but has had control issues. If he can harness those issues he can be a great pitcher because he has the make up and mentality.

    Oh yea.... Some Matusz stats since you were hating on him over hte past month.

    Brian Matusz

    Since June 1st up until the 5th inning yesterday

    25.1 IP
    6 ER
    8 BB
    19 K
    17 H

    2.15 ERA
    0.98 WHIP

    Some pretty damn good numbers. Wish the K rate was a little higher.

    Also he has had 3 bad starts and the rest have been quality, whether by definition or not. And one of his bad starts was against Minny when he had a blister problem.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpero:



    So you still think Tillman is better than Matusz and Arrieta even though I told you I didnt think so. Tillman has the most upside but I dont think he gets there. Matusz is the best bet to reach his ceiling but his ceiling is a tad lower. Arrieta has a power arm but has had control issues. If he can harness those issues he can be a great pitcher because he has the make up and mentality.

    Oh yea.... Some Matusz stats since you were hating on him over hte past month.

    Brian Matusz


    Since June 1st up until the 5th inning yesterday

    25.1 IP
    6 ER
    8 BB
    19 K
    17 H

    2.15 ERA
    0.98 WHIP

    Some pretty damn good numbers. Wish the K rate was a little higher.

    Also he has had 3 bad starts and the rest have been quality, whether by definition or not. And one of his bad starts was against Minny when he had a blister problem.

    If you get 2-3 years...I get till the end of your deadline.

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    So you still think Tillman is better than Matusz and Arrieta even though I told you I didnt think so. Tillman has the most upside but I dont think he gets there. Matusz is the best bet to reach his ceiling but his ceiling is a tad lower. Arrieta has a power arm but has had control issues. If he can harness those issues he can be a great pitcher because he has the make up and mentality.

    Oh yea.... Some Matusz stats since you were hating on him over hte past month.

    Brian Matusz


    Since June 1st up until the 5th inning yesterday

    25.1 IP
    6 ER
    8 BB
    19 K
    17 H

    2.15 ERA
    0.98 WHIP

    Some pretty damn good numbers. Wish the K rate was a little higher.

    Also he has had 3 bad starts and the rest have been quality, whether by definition or not. And one of his bad starts was against Minny when he had a blister problem.

    If you get 2-3 years...I get till the end of your deadline.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJsLocks:

    good point, Sparky....Petco is a great pitchers park...good value in any pitchers there....that is why i drafted Garland...

    I picked him up off free agency because I thought he'd be good...not GREAT. I traded him and Ubaldo to get Kershaw and Zito because I REALLY wanted Zito. Then I traded Kershaw and I have traded so many players that I have about 4 players that I actually drafted still on my team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJsLocks:

    good point, Sparky....Petco is a great pitchers park...good value in any pitchers there....that is why i drafted Garland...

    I picked him up off free agency because I thought he'd be good...not GREAT. I traded him and Ubaldo to get Kershaw and Zito because I REALLY wanted Zito. Then I traded Kershaw and I have traded so many players that I have about 4 players that I actually drafted still on my team.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    I picked him up off free agency because I thought he'd be good...not GREAT. I traded him and Ubaldo to get Kershaw and Zito because I REALLY wanted Zito. Then I traded Kershaw and I have traded so many players that I have about 4 players that I actually drafted still on my team.

    Wainwright...not Ubaldo. But I had Ubaldo and traded him too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

    I picked him up off free agency because I thought he'd be good...not GREAT. I traded him and Ubaldo to get Kershaw and Zito because I REALLY wanted Zito. Then I traded Kershaw and I have traded so many players that I have about 4 players that I actually drafted still on my team.

    Wainwright...not Ubaldo. But I had Ubaldo and traded him too.

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