ILPRATO . FINALLY , YOU CAN PROOF TO PEOPLE HERE WHO'S FRAUD !!! I DO RESPECT YOUR OPINIONS AND PICKS.
BUT THE CONTEST IS NOT OVER YET, LET'S GET IT DONE.
PER MY PROMISED , THERE ARE 1K FOR WHOEVER WIN THIS CONTEST. I WILL KEEP MY WORD.
PS: I WILL WESTERN UNION 1K TO YOU AFTER THIS CONTEST END IF YOU ARE A WINNER.
LET KEEP IT UP BUDDY .
I truly appreciate the offer of 1k to the winner.Your a good sport.If I end up winning the best thing you can do with that 1k is to donate it to your favorite charity.
Quote Originally Posted by mrbig69:
ILPRATO . FINALLY , YOU CAN PROOF TO PEOPLE HERE WHO'S FRAUD !!! I DO RESPECT YOUR OPINIONS AND PICKS.
BUT THE CONTEST IS NOT OVER YET, LET'S GET IT DONE.
PER MY PROMISED , THERE ARE 1K FOR WHOEVER WIN THIS CONTEST. I WILL KEEP MY WORD.
PS: I WILL WESTERN UNION 1K TO YOU AFTER THIS CONTEST END IF YOU ARE A WINNER.
LET KEEP IT UP BUDDY .
I truly appreciate the offer of 1k to the winner.Your a good sport.If I end up winning the best thing you can do with that 1k is to donate it to your favorite charity.
All Forum Posted Plays (all plays total) : 63-52-2 (54.7%) additional (non-challenge plays) Teaser 6pt Texans Pick em with Texans/colts Under 46.5, (NCAAFB) Nevada -7,
Challenge between iPROTO and myself (Rules posted below)
iPROTO 10-2 w/ 20 plays left (83.3%)NCAAFB Marshall +4, NCAAFB Louisiana Tech, Colts Under 20 in 1st half, Boise State -14, Rams/Steelers Under 34.5, Ravens/Browns Under 38,Panthers/Buccaneers Under 48, Seahawks +2.5, Miami Heat -4, Bears / Packers Under 41.5, NO/Suns Under 192, T wolves +5
KS: 3-10 w/ 21 with plays left (23%) NCAAFB Fla Intnl -4, NCAABB N. Carolina -10, Hawaii +0.5 in 1st half (NCAABB). W. VA -5 (Ncaabb), AZ State (NCAAFB), Baylor -5.5, NY Jets -2.5, Chargers / Lions Under 52, Southern Miss / Nevada Under 63, Bears +11.5, Atlanta/NO Under 1st hf 26.5, Atlanta +6.5, Atlanta/NO Under 52.5
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All Forum Posted Plays (all plays total) : 63-52-2 (54.7%) additional (non-challenge plays) Teaser 6pt Texans Pick em with Texans/colts Under 46.5, (NCAAFB) Nevada -7,
Challenge between iPROTO and myself (Rules posted below)
iPROTO 10-2 w/ 20 plays left (83.3%)NCAAFB Marshall +4, NCAAFB Louisiana Tech, Colts Under 20 in 1st half, Boise State -14, Rams/Steelers Under 34.5, Ravens/Browns Under 38,Panthers/Buccaneers Under 48, Seahawks +2.5, Miami Heat -4, Bears / Packers Under 41.5, NO/Suns Under 192, T wolves +5
KS: 3-10 w/ 21 with plays left (23%) NCAAFB Fla Intnl -4, NCAABB N. Carolina -10, Hawaii +0.5 in 1st half (NCAABB). W. VA -5 (Ncaabb), AZ State (NCAAFB), Baylor -5.5, NY Jets -2.5, Chargers / Lions Under 52, Southern Miss / Nevada Under 63, Bears +11.5, Atlanta/NO Under 1st hf 26.5, Atlanta +6.5, Atlanta/NO Under 52.5
Look Ilprato, I said the same thing to KS before he went on this horrendous run. He was making the claims of being so good that he had the right to gloat all he wanted and I told him at the time there will always be bad streaks and obviously we all know that.
So, all I am saying is you are doing great but as you know very well, this could downhill at any moment. So, I just ask of you to remain humble. I have not seen him initiate anything with you and you are really riding him. Just keep winning and let your skills do the talking. That will be much louder than any crap talking you can do.
I hope you did not take offense to what I am saying and if you did, I apologize in advance. Just take into consideration what I am saying...
Look Ilprato, I said the same thing to KS before he went on this horrendous run. He was making the claims of being so good that he had the right to gloat all he wanted and I told him at the time there will always be bad streaks and obviously we all know that.
So, all I am saying is you are doing great but as you know very well, this could downhill at any moment. So, I just ask of you to remain humble. I have not seen him initiate anything with you and you are really riding him. Just keep winning and let your skills do the talking. That will be much louder than any crap talking you can do.
I hope you did not take offense to what I am saying and if you did, I apologize in advance. Just take into consideration what I am saying...
Just my 2 cents...but seriously this contest is from KS and ILprato. No one else needs to post. The respect at first is now turning into just 3rd grade antics. SERIOUSLY...this contest is not over and there really shouldn't be anything said until it is. DON'T BE A REX RYAN. Good luck and let the best man win. Actions speak louder than words.
Just my 2 cents...but seriously this contest is from KS and ILprato. No one else needs to post. The respect at first is now turning into just 3rd grade antics. SERIOUSLY...this contest is not over and there really shouldn't be anything said until it is. DON'T BE A REX RYAN. Good luck and let the best man win. Actions speak louder than words.
Look Ilprato, I said the same thing to KS before he went on this horrendous run. He was making the claims of being so good that he had the right to gloat all he wanted and I told him at the time there will always be bad streaks and obviously we all know that.
So, all I am saying is you are doing great but as you know very well, this could downhill at any moment. So, I just ask of you to remain humble. I have not seen him initiate anything with you and you are really riding him. Just keep winning and let your skills do the talking. That will be much louder than any crap talking you can do.
I hope you did not take offense to what I am saying and if you did, I apologize in advance. Just take into consideration what I am saying...
understood I never did or will make outrageous claims about handicapping.In fact I do not advise any one to tail my picks unless they do their own research first.My goal in the contest was to hit at or close to 60 percent over a 30 game span. I do my best to review the games and if I spot a value edge for the player I will post that pick.
Quote Originally Posted by Simplelies:
Look Ilprato, I said the same thing to KS before he went on this horrendous run. He was making the claims of being so good that he had the right to gloat all he wanted and I told him at the time there will always be bad streaks and obviously we all know that.
So, all I am saying is you are doing great but as you know very well, this could downhill at any moment. So, I just ask of you to remain humble. I have not seen him initiate anything with you and you are really riding him. Just keep winning and let your skills do the talking. That will be much louder than any crap talking you can do.
I hope you did not take offense to what I am saying and if you did, I apologize in advance. Just take into consideration what I am saying...
understood I never did or will make outrageous claims about handicapping.In fact I do not advise any one to tail my picks unless they do their own research first.My goal in the contest was to hit at or close to 60 percent over a 30 game span. I do my best to review the games and if I spot a value edge for the player I will post that pick.
KS did have a nice run and I'm sure he will get hot again. Same will go for IL. IL got hot at the right moment and KS got cold at the wrong moment. But in the end, people should be humble since everyone has their day or weeks. The way the system is, people will not run hot forever. I'm not downplaying IL's fantastic run, just stating the obvious.
I've seen guys go on 12-2 runs like IL and going 3-12 afterwards like KS basically has done. Worse yet, it always seems you lose more than you win even if you have a winning record as a result of chasing and betting bigger than you would when you are cold.
So all in all, even is you are a consistent winning picker, you still need to have good betting strategy and money management or you will become a money loser in the end regardless if you are better than 55% winner.
KS did have a nice run and I'm sure he will get hot again. Same will go for IL. IL got hot at the right moment and KS got cold at the wrong moment. But in the end, people should be humble since everyone has their day or weeks. The way the system is, people will not run hot forever. I'm not downplaying IL's fantastic run, just stating the obvious.
I've seen guys go on 12-2 runs like IL and going 3-12 afterwards like KS basically has done. Worse yet, it always seems you lose more than you win even if you have a winning record as a result of chasing and betting bigger than you would when you are cold.
So all in all, even is you are a consistent winning picker, you still need to have good betting strategy and money management or you will become a money loser in the end regardless if you are better than 55% winner.
KS did have a nice run and I'm sure he will get hot again. Same will go for IL. IL got hot at the right moment and KS got cold at the wrong moment. But in the end, people should be humble since everyone has their day or weeks. The way the system is, people will not run hot forever. I'm not downplaying IL's fantastic run, just stating the obvious.
I've seen guys go on 12-2 runs like IL and going 3-12 afterwards like KS basically has done. Worse yet, it always seems you lose more than you win even if you have a winning record as a result of chasing and betting bigger than you would when you are cold.
So all in all, even is you are a consistent winning picker, you still need to have good betting strategy and money management or you will become a money loser in the end regardless if you are better than 55% winner.
Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:
KS did have a nice run and I'm sure he will get hot again. Same will go for IL. IL got hot at the right moment and KS got cold at the wrong moment. But in the end, people should be humble since everyone has their day or weeks. The way the system is, people will not run hot forever. I'm not downplaying IL's fantastic run, just stating the obvious.
I've seen guys go on 12-2 runs like IL and going 3-12 afterwards like KS basically has done. Worse yet, it always seems you lose more than you win even if you have a winning record as a result of chasing and betting bigger than you would when you are cold.
So all in all, even is you are a consistent winning picker, you still need to have good betting strategy and money management or you will become a money loser in the end regardless if you are better than 55% winner.
twolves 4-37 their last 41 on the road they can't seem to close games out including last night against okc where they had a chance to win.I think the bucks can and should win this game can they cover the spread who knows?I hope after last nights tough loss the bucks put in a strong effort and put away a team that they are better than.
Bucks -5.5
twolves 4-37 their last 41 on the road they can't seem to close games out including last night against okc where they had a chance to win.I think the bucks can and should win this game can they cover the spread who knows?I hope after last nights tough loss the bucks put in a strong effort and put away a team that they are better than.
Look Ilprato, I said the same thing to KS before he went on this horrendous run. He was making the claims of being so good that he had the right to gloat all he wanted and I told him at the time there will always be bad streaks and obviously we all know that.
So, all I am saying is you are doing great but as you know very well, this could downhill at any moment. So, I just ask of you to remain humble. I have not seen him initiate anything with you and you are really riding him. Just keep winning and let your skills do the talking. That will be much louder than any crap talking you can do.
I hope you did not take offense to what I am saying and if you did, I apologize in advance. Just take into consideration what I am saying...
not reading this thread, but your post was right below my "totals" post..... But
I ask you to show me where, and what I ever "claimed' of being so good? (and don't say I ever claimed I cap @ 70%, but I did write an "article' asking why we can't hit 70%? , gave ways to increase the plausibility, and recommended that all should do the same...but I ask you again....please show me where I ever claimed ANYTHING but being a 60+% handicapper? please show me...you can't..
how many people do you know that would still be @ a profitable percentage (54+% is just barely profitable, but it is profitable) after going 3-14 in their last 17 of 115 plays?
This is still not over.... and my attitude is completely unaffected... I have done this for way to long to fall to the 'highs and lows' of this game. I can give you 100 children randomly picking 12 games and I bet one of them will be @ 10-2 (nice as it is compared to my 3-10) This man is calling me a fraud, and I never claimed anything but being +60%, which I was up until the last 8 days.... and let's face facts.. if you take the worlds best handicapper and tell him to try to lose every game he can, he will fall short of 3-14 a heluva big % of the time...it is a horrible run ... period.. I lost games by missed FG's, half points, imbalanced stats...and he has won games by half points ect..... anyone who believes this is ending @ 83% to 23% (or anything near it) is a fool...his good fortune can't hold up, and mine can't stay this bad..it defies mathematical probabilities
Quote Originally Posted by Simplelies:
Look Ilprato, I said the same thing to KS before he went on this horrendous run. He was making the claims of being so good that he had the right to gloat all he wanted and I told him at the time there will always be bad streaks and obviously we all know that.
So, all I am saying is you are doing great but as you know very well, this could downhill at any moment. So, I just ask of you to remain humble. I have not seen him initiate anything with you and you are really riding him. Just keep winning and let your skills do the talking. That will be much louder than any crap talking you can do.
I hope you did not take offense to what I am saying and if you did, I apologize in advance. Just take into consideration what I am saying...
not reading this thread, but your post was right below my "totals" post..... But
I ask you to show me where, and what I ever "claimed' of being so good? (and don't say I ever claimed I cap @ 70%, but I did write an "article' asking why we can't hit 70%? , gave ways to increase the plausibility, and recommended that all should do the same...but I ask you again....please show me where I ever claimed ANYTHING but being a 60+% handicapper? please show me...you can't..
how many people do you know that would still be @ a profitable percentage (54+% is just barely profitable, but it is profitable) after going 3-14 in their last 17 of 115 plays?
This is still not over.... and my attitude is completely unaffected... I have done this for way to long to fall to the 'highs and lows' of this game. I can give you 100 children randomly picking 12 games and I bet one of them will be @ 10-2 (nice as it is compared to my 3-10) This man is calling me a fraud, and I never claimed anything but being +60%, which I was up until the last 8 days.... and let's face facts.. if you take the worlds best handicapper and tell him to try to lose every game he can, he will fall short of 3-14 a heluva big % of the time...it is a horrible run ... period.. I lost games by missed FG's, half points, imbalanced stats...and he has won games by half points ect..... anyone who believes this is ending @ 83% to 23% (or anything near it) is a fool...his good fortune can't hold up, and mine can't stay this bad..it defies mathematical probabilities
KS - you've proven yourself a successful capper, over time I have no doubt gambling is profitable for you. But you don't need to defend yourself to all these clowns. Just do your thing and get back to picking winners, stop with all the other BS.
KS - you've proven yourself a successful capper, over time I have no doubt gambling is profitable for you. But you don't need to defend yourself to all these clowns. Just do your thing and get back to picking winners, stop with all the other BS.
not reading this thread, but your post was right below my "totals" post..... But
I ask you to show me where, and what I ever "claimed' of being so good? (and don't say I ever claimed I cap @ 70%, but I did write an "article' asking why we can't hit 70%? , gave ways to increase the plausibility, and recommended that all should do the same...but I ask you again....please show me where I ever claimed ANYTHING but being a 60+% handicapper? please show me...you can't..
how many people do you know that would still be @ a profitable percentage (54+% is just barely profitable, but it is profitable) after going 3-14 in their last 17 of 115 plays?
This is still not over.... and my attitude is completely unaffected... I have done this for way to long to fall to the 'highs and lows' of this game. I can give you 100 children randomly picking 12 games and I bet one of them will be @ 10-2 (nice as it is compared to my 3-10) This man is calling me a fraud, and I never claimed anything but being +60%, which I was up until the last 8 days.... and let's face facts.. if you take the worlds best handicapper and tell him to try to lose every game he can, he will fall short of 3-14 a heluva big % of the time...it is a horrible run ... period.. I lost games by missed FG's, half points, imbalanced stats...and he has won games by half points ect..... anyone who believes this is ending @ 83% to 23% (or anything near it) is a fool...his good fortune can't hold up, and mine can't stay this bad..it defies mathematical probabilities
I wouldn't get too defensive if I were you KS. I know you were just being over-confident and had alot of youthful naive to go with it. Looking on the bright side, IL brought you back to earth and if you are smart- what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger. But only if you learn from it.
At the end of the day, you shouldn't make excuses since everyone has a story of how their team lost by half a point if it wasn't for that last second lucky score of pick 6. The records speak for themselves. You might go 100-0 the next 100 but at this point, it is what the record shows.
Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:
not reading this thread, but your post was right below my "totals" post..... But
I ask you to show me where, and what I ever "claimed' of being so good? (and don't say I ever claimed I cap @ 70%, but I did write an "article' asking why we can't hit 70%? , gave ways to increase the plausibility, and recommended that all should do the same...but I ask you again....please show me where I ever claimed ANYTHING but being a 60+% handicapper? please show me...you can't..
how many people do you know that would still be @ a profitable percentage (54+% is just barely profitable, but it is profitable) after going 3-14 in their last 17 of 115 plays?
This is still not over.... and my attitude is completely unaffected... I have done this for way to long to fall to the 'highs and lows' of this game. I can give you 100 children randomly picking 12 games and I bet one of them will be @ 10-2 (nice as it is compared to my 3-10) This man is calling me a fraud, and I never claimed anything but being +60%, which I was up until the last 8 days.... and let's face facts.. if you take the worlds best handicapper and tell him to try to lose every game he can, he will fall short of 3-14 a heluva big % of the time...it is a horrible run ... period.. I lost games by missed FG's, half points, imbalanced stats...and he has won games by half points ect..... anyone who believes this is ending @ 83% to 23% (or anything near it) is a fool...his good fortune can't hold up, and mine can't stay this bad..it defies mathematical probabilities
I wouldn't get too defensive if I were you KS. I know you were just being over-confident and had alot of youthful naive to go with it. Looking on the bright side, IL brought you back to earth and if you are smart- what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger. But only if you learn from it.
At the end of the day, you shouldn't make excuses since everyone has a story of how their team lost by half a point if it wasn't for that last second lucky score of pick 6. The records speak for themselves. You might go 100-0 the next 100 but at this point, it is what the record shows.
I wouldn't get too defensive if I were you KS. I know you were just being over-confident and had alot of youthful naive to go with it. Looking on the bright side, IL brought you back to earth and if you are smart- what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger. But only if you learn from it.
At the end of the day, you shouldn't make excuses since everyone has a story of how their team lost by half a point if it wasn't for that last second lucky score of pick 6. The records speak for themselves. You might go 100-0 the next 100 but at this point, it is what the record shows.
agreed... my only verifiable record is the last 115 plays....but once again, not many would still be @ a profitable % having endured what I have... and you are correct, everyone has a story as to why this or that game went south.... (so I don't go there with the exception of the above post....but honestly, I can only be called a 'fraud' so many times--having not claimed anything--before I swing back........... no matter...I agree
Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:
I wouldn't get too defensive if I were you KS. I know you were just being over-confident and had alot of youthful naive to go with it. Looking on the bright side, IL brought you back to earth and if you are smart- what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger. But only if you learn from it.
At the end of the day, you shouldn't make excuses since everyone has a story of how their team lost by half a point if it wasn't for that last second lucky score of pick 6. The records speak for themselves. You might go 100-0 the next 100 but at this point, it is what the record shows.
agreed... my only verifiable record is the last 115 plays....but once again, not many would still be @ a profitable % having endured what I have... and you are correct, everyone has a story as to why this or that game went south.... (so I don't go there with the exception of the above post....but honestly, I can only be called a 'fraud' so many times--having not claimed anything--before I swing back........... no matter...I agree
agreed... my only verifiable record is the last 115 plays....but once again, not many would still be @ a profitable % having endured what I have... and you are correct, everyone has a story as to why this or that game went south.... (so I don't go there with the exception of the above post....but honestly, I can only be called a 'fraud' so many times--having not claimed anything--before I swing back........... no matter...I agree
You did make the comment that only losers complain and write negative. You said you never seen a winner that complained and had a bad attitude. Or something like that.
It's not a bad time to take your own advice and stay positive. The only way to cap is when you feel confident and positive. Very hard to pick winners when you are down and thinking negatively.
Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:
agreed... my only verifiable record is the last 115 plays....but once again, not many would still be @ a profitable % having endured what I have... and you are correct, everyone has a story as to why this or that game went south.... (so I don't go there with the exception of the above post....but honestly, I can only be called a 'fraud' so many times--having not claimed anything--before I swing back........... no matter...I agree
You did make the comment that only losers complain and write negative. You said you never seen a winner that complained and had a bad attitude. Or something like that.
It's not a bad time to take your own advice and stay positive. The only way to cap is when you feel confident and positive. Very hard to pick winners when you are down and thinking negatively.
true...sample size is small.... but it is what it is....using EPQ (varying units played) on games can make a 65% capper a loser in $ and a 45% a winner in $.....but we are going 30 games is a fairly short time frame, and it is what it is....BoL 2 U
Well technically if you put any weight into this contest then it would reflect that you suck. I dont think that is the case.
Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:
true...sample size is small.... but it is what it is....using EPQ (varying units played) on games can make a 65% capper a loser in $ and a 45% a winner in $.....but we are going 30 games is a fairly short time frame, and it is what it is....BoL 2 U
Well technically if you put any weight into this contest then it would reflect that you suck. I dont think that is the case.
You did make the comment that only losers complain and write negative. You said you never seen a winner that complained and had a bad attitude. Or something like that.
It's not a bad time to take your own advice and stay positive. The only way to cap is when you feel confident and positive. Very hard to pick winners when you are down and thinking negatively.
I feel I am more defending myself over a multitude of character assaults (ILPROTO has repeatedly labeled me a 'fraud') There is only so much I will sit back and take
Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:
You did make the comment that only losers complain and write negative. You said you never seen a winner that complained and had a bad attitude. Or something like that.
It's not a bad time to take your own advice and stay positive. The only way to cap is when you feel confident and positive. Very hard to pick winners when you are down and thinking negatively.
I feel I am more defending myself over a multitude of character assaults (ILPROTO has repeatedly labeled me a 'fraud') There is only so much I will sit back and take
I feel I am more defending myself over a multitude of character assaults (ILPROTO has repeatedly labeled me a 'fraud') There is only so much I will sit back and take
I feel ya. Maybe the worst decision you made lately was putting yourself in this contest. Fraud or not, he sure has proven that you have a losing record based on this contest between you two. The record speaks for itself. No matter what you say, it's not gonna convince anyone since all they see is your record. Only thing you can do is turn it around and go on a run regardless if you beat IL or not.
Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:
I feel I am more defending myself over a multitude of character assaults (ILPROTO has repeatedly labeled me a 'fraud') There is only so much I will sit back and take
I feel ya. Maybe the worst decision you made lately was putting yourself in this contest. Fraud or not, he sure has proven that you have a losing record based on this contest between you two. The record speaks for itself. No matter what you say, it's not gonna convince anyone since all they see is your record. Only thing you can do is turn it around and go on a run regardless if you beat IL or not.
ILPRATO . FINALLY , YOU CAN PROOF TO PEOPLE HERE WHO'S FRAUD !!! I DO RESPECT YOUR OPINIONS AND PICKS.
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