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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 3:44 PM ET #1

    So what does this CRDC shelf mean.  is this a good entry point?  Not experienced enough to know what this $40mm sale of stock means.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    So what does this CRDC shelf mean.  is this a good entry point?  Not experienced enough to know what this $40mm sale of stock means.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 3:49 PM ET #2

    Gunners,

    Good idea to start a new thread..

    Shelf means they CAN sell up to the set number of shares over I think it is an 12 or 18 month period.

    To me I dont really mind if a company is selling stock, it is WHAT they are selling stock for..if they are retiring debt or funding product expansion, it costs less than debt and it doesnt bug me that much to be honest.

    CRDC had a serious bid come in at 11.50, pushed up from there.

    They really brought the market back..it was getting ugly and buyers stepped in.
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    Gunners,

    Good idea to start a new thread..

    Shelf means they CAN sell up to the set number of shares over I think it is an 12 or 18 month period.

    To me I dont really mind if a company is selling stock, it is WHAT they are selling stock for..if they are retiring debt or funding product expansion, it costs less than debt and it doesnt bug me that much to be honest.

    CRDC had a serious bid come in at 11.50, pushed up from there.

    They really brought the market back..it was getting ugly and buyers stepped in.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 3:53 PM ET #3

    To answer the Q, low to mid 10s would be a good entry for me.
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    To answer the Q, low to mid 10s would be a good entry for me.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 3:56 PM ET #4

    Cardica plans to use its net proceeds from the offering for general corporate purposes, including research and development and debt repayment, the filing said.
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    Cardica plans to use its net proceeds from the offering for general corporate purposes, including research and development and debt repayment, the filing said.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 4:03 PM ET #5

    Vermeer,

    yeah thats how I was gearing my comments. I look at their income statement and I dont see terrible managment or spending problems, so if they were to get rid of debt, I have owned several stocks that have done that and funded expansion (HLIT specifically) and it didnt harm the stock at all longer term.

    Good entry would be mid to low 10s for me..which I will likely do.

    Pretty ticked again at DRYS, Scottrade server was severely overloaded when the market was down 180, I tried to place an order for 20 contracts on the 125s at 4.70 and the screen froze and the order didnt get in..

    If it got filled that is a 40% move already..  

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    Vermeer,

    yeah thats how I was gearing my comments. I look at their income statement and I dont see terrible managment or spending problems, so if they were to get rid of debt, I have owned several stocks that have done that and funded expansion (HLIT specifically) and it didnt harm the stock at all longer term.

    Good entry would be mid to low 10s for me..which I will likely do.

    Pretty ticked again at DRYS, Scottrade server was severely overloaded when the market was down 180, I tried to place an order for 20 contracts on the 125s at 4.70 and the screen froze and the order didnt get in..

    If it got filled that is a 40% move already..  

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 7:47 PM ET #6

    My drys October 130's have more than  doubled.  
    hold  them gains and blow past 130 please.   Expiration is on friday.  When is the best day to sell these puppies??  I've never held  options days before expiration.
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    My drys October 130's have more than  doubled.  
    hold  them gains and blow past 130 please.   Expiration is on friday.  When is the best day to sell these puppies??  I've never held  options days before expiration.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 7:50 PM ET #7

    besides my drys calls,  I own
    NOec and Auy.  
    I'm up nice on Auy.  I bought here a few trading days ago.  Saw some good technical indicators. 
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    besides my drys calls,  I own
    NOec and Auy.  
    I'm up nice on Auy.  I bought here a few trading days ago.  Saw some good technical indicators. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 8:12 PM ET #8

    Jeff,

    They will start to erode late tomorrow and into Wed..especially if they are not in the money.

    I keep missing these lower opens and moves higher, it seems to be the pattern on DRYS..maybe I drag by a$$ out of bed by 6AM tomorrow to catch the open.


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    Jeff,

    They will start to erode late tomorrow and into Wed..especially if they are not in the money.

    I keep missing these lower opens and moves higher, it seems to be the pattern on DRYS..maybe I drag by a$$ out of bed by 6AM tomorrow to catch the open.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 1:21 AM ET #9

    O.K.  Will sell if Drys opens higher tommorow
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    O.K.  Will sell if Drys opens higher tommorow
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 1:38 AM ET #10

    Jeff,

    Not saying that at all..

    Set a STOP in your head or literally on the computer, stick with it. The stock could see 150 by friday, who the hell knows.

    You know how much I left on the table with those 100 calls? More than a years salary...

    Put in a stop or use a mental stop and see if she keeps running.
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    Jeff,

    Not saying that at all..

    Set a STOP in your head or literally on the computer, stick with it. The stock could see 150 by friday, who the hell knows.

    You know how much I left on the table with those 100 calls? More than a years salary...

    Put in a stop or use a mental stop and see if she keeps running.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 2:28 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Vermeer,

    yeah thats how I was gearing my comments. I look at their income statement and I dont see terrible managment or spending problems, so if they were to get rid of debt, I have owned several stocks that have done that and funded expansion (HLIT specifically) and it didnt harm the stock at all longer term.

    Good entry would be mid to low 10s for me..which I will likely do.

    Pretty ticked again at DRYS, Scottrade server was severely overloaded when the market was down 180, I tried to place an order for 20 contracts on the 125s at 4.70 and the screen froze and the order didnt get in..

    If it got filled that is a 40% move already..  

    that is the one problem with placing orders over the net,,heavy volume and other factors can fuck up a trade,,,sometimes u got to pick up the phone and call ur broker  to get it done,u know what i'm sayin wall?Give us a commision.In all seriousness  that sucks ,it's like at 1 minute till kickoff and ur tryin to drop  a couple dimes on a game and u get shut out,of course it's gonna win.....and as far as crdc it is not low enough yet,below 10
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Vermeer,

    yeah thats how I was gearing my comments. I look at their income statement and I dont see terrible managment or spending problems, so if they were to get rid of debt, I have owned several stocks that have done that and funded expansion (HLIT specifically) and it didnt harm the stock at all longer term.

    Good entry would be mid to low 10s for me..which I will likely do.

    Pretty ticked again at DRYS, Scottrade server was severely overloaded when the market was down 180, I tried to place an order for 20 contracts on the 125s at 4.70 and the screen froze and the order didnt get in..

    If it got filled that is a 40% move already..  

    that is the one problem with placing orders over the net,,heavy volume and other factors can fuck up a trade,,,sometimes u got to pick up the phone and call ur broker  to get it done,u know what i'm sayin wall?Give us a commision.In all seriousness  that sucks ,it's like at 1 minute till kickoff and ur tryin to drop  a couple dimes on a game and u get shut out,of course it's gonna win.....and as far as crdc it is not low enough yet,below 10
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 7:55 AM ET #12

    You know how much I left on the table with those 100 calls? More than a years salary...

    I know.  I wish I had put more into this stock.  I could have made a lot more money.  I still made some serious dough though.  Can't get too greedy.  But a stock like this doesn't come around very often.  It was such easy money that It kills me thinking of how much I could have made. 
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    You know how much I left on the table with those 100 calls? More than a years salary...

    I know.  I wish I had put more into this stock.  I could have made a lot more money.  I still made some serious dough though.  Can't get too greedy.  But a stock like this doesn't come around very often.  It was such easy money that It kills me thinking of how much I could have made. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 8:13 AM ET #13

    Yep, buy CRDC and hold for the long haul........you'll be very happy in about 2-3 years.
     
    That's what I'm doing.
     
    Cheers
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    Yep, buy CRDC and hold for the long haul........you'll be very happy in about 2-3 years.
     
    That's what I'm doing.
     
    Cheers
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 8:17 AM ET #14

    Current Longs:
     
    SYY
    GTLS
    FSLR
    CRDC
     
    Current Shorts (OUCH!!!!!!!):
     
    SPY
    C
    COF
    CTX
     
    Looking to bail out of these shorts opened up this past September if we get a nice continuance of the sell-off the next few days, which by the way, the broad market desperately needs.
     
    Here's to a sell-off................
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    Current Longs:
     
    SYY
    GTLS
    FSLR
    CRDC
     
    Current Shorts (OUCH!!!!!!!):
     
    SPY
    C
    COF
    CTX
     
    Looking to bail out of these shorts opened up this past September if we get a nice continuance of the sell-off the next few days, which by the way, the broad market desperately needs.
     
    Here's to a sell-off................
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 8:43 AM ET #15

    Looking at buying INTC ahead of the news today.  If anyone thinks it's a mistake, please let me know soon.
     
       
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    Looking at buying INTC ahead of the news today.  If anyone thinks it's a mistake, please let me know soon.
     
       
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 8:50 AM ET #16

    Nah, Grid, long-haul, you ain't going to go wrong with INTC.
     
    Now as far as a "trade," I have no ideal, but INTC for the long haul is pretty solid.
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    Nah, Grid, long-haul, you ain't going to go wrong with INTC.
     
    Now as far as a "trade," I have no ideal, but INTC for the long haul is pretty solid.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 9:01 AM ET #17

    Clay, those were my thoughts.  If I can get a nice pop after earnings tonight, I'll take it, but if not, I'll be long in a very solid company.  Not too much down side IMO.
     
     
     
     
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    Clay, those were my thoughts.  If I can get a nice pop after earnings tonight, I'll take it, but if not, I'll be long in a very solid company.  Not too much down side IMO.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 10:22 AM ET #18

    I dunno..

    INTC doesnt seem like a relic I would want to own..more aggressive growing names out there. INTC is a has-been growth wise. I just cannot get behind them for an investment.

    Boiler-room..yeah but being an ex-broker I dont ever call one..outside when I trade CDN stocks, but you are right..their system hit the sh!tter right when the market was crashing yesterday and it cost me for sure.

    Interesting action yesterday and today..I havent seen this kind of selling in a while..very healthy for the markets to be honest. It might kill any call buying before expiry, might make me think PUTS..gasp!
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    I dunno..

    INTC doesnt seem like a relic I would want to own..more aggressive growing names out there. INTC is a has-been growth wise. I just cannot get behind them for an investment.

    Boiler-room..yeah but being an ex-broker I dont ever call one..outside when I trade CDN stocks, but you are right..their system hit the sh!tter right when the market was crashing yesterday and it cost me for sure.

    Interesting action yesterday and today..I havent seen this kind of selling in a while..very healthy for the markets to be honest. It might kill any call buying before expiry, might make me think PUTS..gasp!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 10:29 AM ET #19

    FSLR getting the beat-down today..

    calls STILL too expensive though.
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    FSLR getting the beat-down today..

    calls STILL too expensive though.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 12:27 PM ET #20

    Grid-
     
    INTC has basically based for the last 7 years around 30, it's a well-run company that is certainly not going down, and has very good up-side potential the next few years, especially given the likelihood of future inventions.
     
    JMO, but I damn sure say buy it and hold it.
     
    Cheers
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    Grid-
     
    INTC has basically based for the last 7 years around 30, it's a well-run company that is certainly not going down, and has very good up-side potential the next few years, especially given the likelihood of future inventions.
     
    JMO, but I damn sure say buy it and hold it.
     
    Cheers
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 1:03 PM ET #21

    POZN downgraded today, thus the drop. The comments the analyst made were interesting and should be considered if you are long the stock or options.

    Some of these builders and lenders getting back to low territory again..that makes a few guys on here happy I am sure..


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    POZN downgraded today, thus the drop. The comments the analyst made were interesting and should be considered if you are long the stock or options.

    Some of these builders and lenders getting back to low territory again..that makes a few guys on here happy I am sure..


     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 1:13 PM ET #22

    Bought INTC this morning.  Probably should have waited until later in the session.  Fighting some pretty strong head winds today.
     
     
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    Bought INTC this morning.  Probably should have waited until later in the session.  Fighting some pretty strong head winds today.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 1:20 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I dunno..

    INTC doesnt seem like a relic I would want to own..more aggressive growing names out there. INTC is a has-been growth wise. I just cannot get behind them for an investment.

    Boiler-room..yeah but being an ex-broker I dont ever call one..outside when I trade CDN stocks, but you are right..their system hit the sh!tter right when the market was crashing yesterday and it cost me for sure.

    Interesting action yesterday and today..I havent seen this kind of selling in a while..very healthy for the markets to be honest. It might kill any call buying before expiry, might make me think PUTS..gasp!
        always crazy action ahead of earnings,i agree i don't mind the selling,,for me i don't mind alot of short interest in a stock i am long ,because if it runs those shorts are fucked having to buy it back at some time,,that buying back in turn sends the price even higher,as far as home builders i don't know, some of them becaome a buy at some point,the ones that aren't going out of buisness,the ones that will survive,hovainian,kb,are a few that will make it through
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    I dunno..

    INTC doesnt seem like a relic I would want to own..more aggressive growing names out there. INTC is a has-been growth wise. I just cannot get behind them for an investment.

    Boiler-room..yeah but being an ex-broker I dont ever call one..outside when I trade CDN stocks, but you are right..their system hit the sh!tter right when the market was crashing yesterday and it cost me for sure.

    Interesting action yesterday and today..I havent seen this kind of selling in a while..very healthy for the markets to be honest. It might kill any call buying before expiry, might make me think PUTS..gasp!
        always crazy action ahead of earnings,i agree i don't mind the selling,,for me i don't mind alot of short interest in a stock i am long ,because if it runs those shorts are fucked having to buy it back at some time,,that buying back in turn sends the price even higher,as far as home builders i don't know, some of them becaome a buy at some point,the ones that aren't going out of buisness,the ones that will survive,hovainian,kb,are a few that will make it through
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 1:22 PM ET #24

    My problem with INTC is that they are in the middle of a great product cycle, one which has really helped the stock, but what is NEXT? Duo Core was their new product and it spurred earnings growth because it demanded higher pricing and margins. Look at an income statement, the gains werent made on the REVENUE side, rather that margins were better, compared to previous years.

    I think INTC is a mature company who will follow the market..not saying it is a bad thing, but to me the right time to pick up a mature company is when the market is taking a BEATING and they are taking everything down..it is one you keep on a watch list and pick up when they are giving it away price wise. I wouldnt own INTC as a growth vehicle or pay up for the price.

    You wont take a bath on the stock, but I guess my sights are set on more growth and speculation at this stage of the game.
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    My problem with INTC is that they are in the middle of a great product cycle, one which has really helped the stock, but what is NEXT? Duo Core was their new product and it spurred earnings growth because it demanded higher pricing and margins. Look at an income statement, the gains werent made on the REVENUE side, rather that margins were better, compared to previous years.

    I think INTC is a mature company who will follow the market..not saying it is a bad thing, but to me the right time to pick up a mature company is when the market is taking a BEATING and they are taking everything down..it is one you keep on a watch list and pick up when they are giving it away price wise. I wouldnt own INTC as a growth vehicle or pay up for the price.

    You wont take a bath on the stock, but I guess my sights are set on more growth and speculation at this stage of the game.
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2007 - 1:25 PM ET #25

    I would want TOL, HOV, CTX etc, but not at these prices. I would want them at 30-50% lower prices, which is very possible if the housing slump continues (which it should, the market here sucks)
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    I would want TOL, HOV, CTX etc, but not at these prices. I would want them at 30-50% lower prices, which is very possible if the housing slump continues (which it should, the market here sucks)
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