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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 1:49 PM ET #1

    New thread...

    Who is making money?


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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    New thread...

    Who is making money?


     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 1:50 PM ET #2

    btw...

    Scottrade is drivng me nuts lately, almost to the point that I need to move my more active accounts..the site freezes up and screws my browser..


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    btw...

    Scottrade is drivng me nuts lately, almost to the point that I need to move my more active accounts..the site freezes up and screws my browser..


     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 1:56 PM ET #3

    Looks like the 154 test is coming for FSLR.
     
    Seen this too many times before.....looks like broad market is going to tank, and then someone sets off a short squeeze.
     
    Maddening.
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    Looks like the 154 test is coming for FSLR.
     
    Seen this too many times before.....looks like broad market is going to tank, and then someone sets off a short squeeze.
     
    Maddening.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:00 PM ET #4

    For trading, WSC, you got to start using short interest as one of your capping factors.  You know better than I how powerful it is, and especially in today's world where people just flip in and out of things so much.
     
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    For trading, WSC, you got to start using short interest as one of your capping factors.  You know better than I how powerful it is, and especially in today's world where people just flip in and out of things so much.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:01 PM ET #5

    claycourt,

    Selling is heating up, my 400 theory could be right.

    You watch the markets enough you get a feel for what will happen (meaning I get the feel, not anything about you)

    I have an order to add a few contracts at 12, lets see what happens.

    On another note, I am back in IMB at 12.40, threw that order out thinking if I get it I am ok with it.
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    claycourt,

    Selling is heating up, my 400 theory could be right.

    You watch the markets enough you get a feel for what will happen (meaning I get the feel, not anything about you)

    I have an order to add a few contracts at 12, lets see what happens.

    On another note, I am back in IMB at 12.40, threw that order out thinking if I get it I am ok with it.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:02 PM ET #6

    FSLR's 154 test is in process.
     
    If it holds, I am looking for a squeeze in to the close.
     
    Time will ultimately tell, and it's happening now.
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    FSLR's 154 test is in process.
     
    If it holds, I am looking for a squeeze in to the close.
     
    Time will ultimately tell, and it's happening now.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:05 PM ET #7

    Yeah, the financials are so beaten up.  Let's face it, there's going to be some sort of BAILOUT PACKAGE.  I wish I knew when, but it will happen.....most likely after or during a total market meltdown.
     
    When it hits, anyone short financials had better be deep in the money, cause total short squeeze chaos will ensue.
     
    IMB at 12.40 is strong.....just hold it for the BAILOUT PACKAGE.
     
     
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    Yeah, the financials are so beaten up.  Let's face it, there's going to be some sort of BAILOUT PACKAGE.  I wish I knew when, but it will happen.....most likely after or during a total market meltdown.
     
    When it hits, anyone short financials had better be deep in the money, cause total short squeeze chaos will ensue.
     
    IMB at 12.40 is strong.....just hold it for the BAILOUT PACKAGE.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:09 PM ET #8

    FSLR passed the 154 test.  Held above for the 4th time today.
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    FSLR passed the 154 test.  Held above for the 4th time today.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:11 PM ET #9

    claycourt,

    I dont know if the dividend on IMB will hold but they are in a better "BOAT" than CFC is..I feel better owning them versus CFC for sure.

    That said, it hits 15 and I will bail..


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    claycourt,

    I dont know if the dividend on IMB will hold but they are in a better "BOAT" than CFC is..I feel better owning them versus CFC for sure.

    That said, it hits 15 and I will bail..


     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:14 PM ET #10

    Yeah, man, 12.4 on IMB is solid.  No doubt.
     
    If CFC does hit 10 before a BAILOUT PACKAGE, then I will get long it for a trade, but not would I feel safe long in this one until the 10 is touched.
     
    MSFT giving back gains today definitely has me worried about any short squeeze now.
     
    Dicey.  Very dicey.
     
    This is exactly why I have no idea how people do this stuff for a living.
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    Yeah, man, 12.4 on IMB is solid.  No doubt.
     
    If CFC does hit 10 before a BAILOUT PACKAGE, then I will get long it for a trade, but not would I feel safe long in this one until the 10 is touched.
     
    MSFT giving back gains today definitely has me worried about any short squeeze now.
     
    Dicey.  Very dicey.
     
    This is exactly why I have no idea how people do this stuff for a living.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:15 PM ET #11

    THIS chart sure isnt pretty

    THIS isnt either




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    THIS chart sure isnt pretty

    THIS isnt either




     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:17 PM ET #12

    Yeah, WSC, your down 400 is looking better right now than some short squeeze all the way back to par.
     
    MSFT tanking its gains today is a sign of weakness and not much short covering in to the close.
     
    We could get some panic selling.
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    Yeah, WSC, your down 400 is looking better right now than some short squeeze all the way back to par.
     
    MSFT tanking its gains today is a sign of weakness and not much short covering in to the close.
     
    We could get some panic selling.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:19 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    btw...

    Scottrade is drivng me nuts lately, almost to the point that I need to move my more active accounts..the site freezes up and screws my browser..




    WSC, I have that problem with Scottrade only when I used Firefox to open it.  For whatever reason, it does not have a problem with IE so that is the one site I only use IE to open.  Are you trying it with Firefox or IE or something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    btw...

    Scottrade is drivng me nuts lately, almost to the point that I need to move my more active accounts..the site freezes up and screws my browser..




    WSC, I have that problem with Scottrade only when I used Firefox to open it.  For whatever reason, it does not have a problem with IE so that is the one site I only use IE to open.  Are you trying it with Firefox or IE or something else?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:21 PM ET #14

    USD sure looks hideous.  Stands to reason with all the printing of money.  Scary, scary, scary.
     
    Makes you wonder if 20% inflation is just around the corner, especially with skyrocketing gas prices.
     
    Let's face it......we're f---ed.
     
    This is where we need to replace the internal combustion engine.
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    USD sure looks hideous.  Stands to reason with all the printing of money.  Scary, scary, scary.
     
    Makes you wonder if 20% inflation is just around the corner, especially with skyrocketing gas prices.
     
    Let's face it......we're f---ed.
     
    This is where we need to replace the internal combustion engine.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:23 PM ET #15

    Depeche..

    It IS Firefox, I will give IE a try...thanks for the tip!

    Claycourt, you know the mountain we have to climb to replace the engine. BILLIONS of dollars and jobs are in the way. US automakers will pay anything they can to stop that from happening.


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    Depeche..

    It IS Firefox, I will give IE a try...thanks for the tip!

    Claycourt, you know the mountain we have to climb to replace the engine. BILLIONS of dollars and jobs are in the way. US automakers will pay anything they can to stop that from happening.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:29 PM ET #16

    WSC-
     
    Well, then guess what US auto makers?  You're going to see 400 dollars a barrel soon and fast.
     
    Let's face it, the internal combustion engine needs to be obsolete.
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    WSC-
     
    Well, then guess what US auto makers?  You're going to see 400 dollars a barrel soon and fast.
     
    Let's face it, the internal combustion engine needs to be obsolete.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:29 PM ET #17

    400 rocks a barrel will translate into gas about 15 dollars a gallon.
     
    Think 3 bucks a gallon sucks?
     
    Multiply that by 5.
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    400 rocks a barrel will translate into gas about 15 dollars a gallon.
     
    Think 3 bucks a gallon sucks?
     
    Multiply that by 5.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:31 PM ET #18

    They will..(engines) and lucky we have innovation outside our large industry.

    The real problem is our government needs to make the innovation cost effective, like other governments are doing..it is embarrasing that our government sucks so bad at making subsidies available to businesses and people who purchase alternative energy.


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    They will..(engines) and lucky we have innovation outside our large industry.

    The real problem is our government needs to make the innovation cost effective, like other governments are doing..it is embarrasing that our government sucks so bad at making subsidies available to businesses and people who purchase alternative energy.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:33 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    THIS chart sure isnt pretty

    THIS isnt either




     

    Sad actually.  They should relabel it to say "American's Net Worth".  What are we leaving for our kids?  And if I hear one more dumbass on TV say, "it's only a problem if you travel out of the country", I'll go postal.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    THIS chart sure isnt pretty

    THIS isnt either




     

    Sad actually.  They should relabel it to say "American's Net Worth".  What are we leaving for our kids?  And if I hear one more dumbass on TV say, "it's only a problem if you travel out of the country", I'll go postal.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:40 PM ET #20

    I dont think there is a trade going long the dollar either..when things slow down from the money machine (FED) and foreign demand slows, it wont be a catalyst for being long the dollar..

    The FED doesnt get that they are actually making inflation WORSE by stimulating global demand and making imports more expensive.
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    I dont think there is a trade going long the dollar either..when things slow down from the money machine (FED) and foreign demand slows, it wont be a catalyst for being long the dollar..

    The FED doesnt get that they are actually making inflation WORSE by stimulating global demand and making imports more expensive.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:46 PM ET #21

    Look who's in the WH.......all stands to reason.  About 15 more months of hell......can't end soon enough.
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    Look who's in the WH.......all stands to reason.  About 15 more months of hell......can't end soon enough.
     
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     WSC:

     I would give the FED credit for knowing that, they are not stupid, just wrong headed. They are doing that deliberately.They have chosen that inflation is much less a danger than a frozen credit market, and they may be right.
    They also know it boosts exports, and that foreign manufacturers end up eating a lot of the inflation cost to keep market share here.
      They know exactly what they ar doing to the dollar...

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     WSC:

     I would give the FED credit for knowing that, they are not stupid, just wrong headed. They are doing that deliberately.They have chosen that inflation is much less a danger than a frozen credit market, and they may be right.
    They also know it boosts exports, and that foreign manufacturers end up eating a lot of the inflation cost to keep market share here.
      They know exactly what they ar doing to the dollar...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 1, 2007 - 2:53 PM ET #23

    Vermeer,

    They know what they are doing, I disagree with what it accomplishes, and more importantly I disagree with cloaking their activities.

    Why are they holding off normal natural economic cycle? WHY? Who are they trying to protect?

    They are selling our assets at 20-50% discounts..our ASSETS..screw inflation and credit market conditions, plus they have been doing this for 5 plus yrs. So the recent developments might warrant the flooding, but why have they been doing this since pre-2003?     

    IMB just jumped..
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    Vermeer,

    They know what they are doing, I disagree with what it accomplishes, and more importantly I disagree with cloaking their activities.

    Why are they holding off normal natural economic cycle? WHY? Who are they trying to protect?

    They are selling our assets at 20-50% discounts..our ASSETS..screw inflation and credit market conditions, plus they have been doing this for 5 plus yrs. So the recent developments might warrant the flooding, but why have they been doing this since pre-2003?     

    IMB just jumped..
     
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    Going to be a wild ride this last hour.  Could get run up, could get sold down.  Bad entry price......didn't pull trigger in the 155s like I should have.  Money never, ever, ever f---ing sleeps/
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    Stop 152.32
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    Going to be a wild ride this last hour.  Could get run up, could get sold down.  Bad entry price......didn't pull trigger in the 155s like I should have.  Money never, ever, ever f---ing sleeps/
     
     
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     On other thing:look at governmental subsidies. That topic in itself is an utter nightmare. We subsidize ethanol (that has been around for 100 years) and claim it is an energy policy, not a crop subsidy..

     (Many people in the third world maintain our policy to be a crime against humanity:we are burning food that could keep thousands of people from starving, but which we turn into a relaticvely small amount of fuel).Not to mention that the damn stuff is energy neutral at best., if not net negative.

     Off my soapbox, promise...except, wait, I will add, when one considers ALL costs, taxation, military expenditure etc etc that has gone into producing and protecting oil, some economists estimate that the real cost of a gallon of gas is already $15, we just do not pay it obviously at the tank.





     

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     On other thing:look at governmental subsidies. That topic in itself is an utter nightmare. We subsidize ethanol (that has been around for 100 years) and claim it is an energy policy, not a crop subsidy..

     (Many people in the third world maintain our policy to be a crime against humanity:we are burning food that could keep thousands of people from starving, but which we turn into a relaticvely small amount of fuel).Not to mention that the damn stuff is energy neutral at best., if not net negative.

     Off my soapbox, promise...except, wait, I will add, when one considers ALL costs, taxation, military expenditure etc etc that has gone into producing and protecting oil, some economists estimate that the real cost of a gallon of gas is already $15, we just do not pay it obviously at the tank.





     

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