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    VirginiaHoldem2
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2008 - 8:26 PM ET #1



    June not off to a good start

    I haven't participated in much of the talk about stocks in this forum but figured i'd start the chat out for June.  Rough start to the month. 
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    June not off to a good start

    I haven't participated in much of the talk about stocks in this forum but figured i'd start the chat out for June.  Rough start to the month. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2008 - 8:33 PM ET #2

    Why havent you participated?

    Everyone is welcome..we have a good group here.



    Thanks for starting the thread.
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    Why havent you participated?

    Everyone is welcome..we have a good group here.



    Thanks for starting the thread.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2008 - 8:38 PM ET #3

    Haven't been around the forum for a while.  Work has been hell and Covers is firewalled at work.  So only here on off times now. 

    But I finally am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. 

    Being in the accounting function at a company that is going through the acquisition of another company is never fun.  But they are now on board finally! 
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    Haven't been around the forum for a while.  Work has been hell and Covers is firewalled at work.  So only here on off times now. 

    But I finally am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. 

    Being in the accounting function at a company that is going through the acquisition of another company is never fun.  But they are now on board finally! 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2008 - 8:48 PM ET #4

    I've been trying to sniff out stocks with good upside potential and a high yield. 

    If people have any good ideas please pass along.


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    I've been trying to sniff out stocks with good upside potential and a high yield. 

    If people have any good ideas please pass along.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2008 - 9:17 PM ET #5

    Sounds fine to me, there have been some inquiries as to higher yielding stocks/debt etc..I look forward to what you have to say.  
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    Sounds fine to me, there have been some inquiries as to higher yielding stocks/debt etc..I look forward to what you have to say.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2008 - 1:55 AM ET #6

    The "easier" money to be made this month (I call March, June, September, and December "Warning Season" for obvious reasons) involves shorting the upward moves, especially in financials.
     
    There will be plenty of financial "confessions" this month.  If for some reason (why?  I don't know----probably short covering) that financials have a few good days in a row, and some icehole from the media starts yapping about how "the worst is over" and that it's now "OK to dip your toe in the water," use that garbage as a time to get short financials.  And then when your trade gets in the black, lock in profits with stops before a short covering "rally" puts your trade in the red.
     
    No, not going to get rich doing this, but you'll make money......better money than the typical mutual fund or money market.  And in the absolutely horrific economy of the USA (DO NOT believe the lies about GDP that were told last week), that's about as good as it's going to get this month.
     
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    The "easier" money to be made this month (I call March, June, September, and December "Warning Season" for obvious reasons) involves shorting the upward moves, especially in financials.
     
    There will be plenty of financial "confessions" this month.  If for some reason (why?  I don't know----probably short covering) that financials have a few good days in a row, and some icehole from the media starts yapping about how "the worst is over" and that it's now "OK to dip your toe in the water," use that garbage as a time to get short financials.  And then when your trade gets in the black, lock in profits with stops before a short covering "rally" puts your trade in the red.
     
    No, not going to get rich doing this, but you'll make money......better money than the typical mutual fund or money market.  And in the absolutely horrific economy of the USA (DO NOT believe the lies about GDP that were told last week), that's about as good as it's going to get this month.
     
    Cheers
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2008 - 1:59 AM ET #7

    Way too late to jump on the oil bandwagon, so forget that trade.
     
    If you like being long, then pullbacks in tech will probably work for short term trades, but any warning from a financial or tech company that is counting on Joe Consumer to deliver will send EVERYTHING in the sh---er.
     
    The easier way this month is to use hoopla to get short financials rather than pullbacks to get long tech.
     
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    Way too late to jump on the oil bandwagon, so forget that trade.
     
    If you like being long, then pullbacks in tech will probably work for short term trades, but any warning from a financial or tech company that is counting on Joe Consumer to deliver will send EVERYTHING in the sh---er.
     
    The easier way this month is to use hoopla to get short financials rather than pullbacks to get long tech.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2008 - 8:42 AM ET #8

    Non-Farms on friday.  might make sense to wait for that report before going long or short anything. 
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    Non-Farms on friday.  might make sense to wait for that report before going long or short anything. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2008 - 1:33 PM ET #9

    Market just rolled over again.

    More selling..


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    Market just rolled over again.

    More selling..


     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2008 - 2:28 PM ET #10

    More selling.

    LEH looking shaky again..BAC to the low, most all financials getting kicked again.
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    More selling.

    LEH looking shaky again..BAC to the low, most all financials getting kicked again.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2008 - 4:44 PM ET #11

    May buyers brings june showers?  or something like that
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    May buyers brings june showers?  or something like that
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2008 - 5:29 PM ET #12


    This is the season to be wary.

     Also, should the Fed actually raise interest rates...it will not be pretty...

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    This is the season to be wary.

     Also, should the Fed actually raise interest rates...it will not be pretty...

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2008 - 8:33 AM ET #13

    Have been trying to make a bullish case for the market in the coming months and have failed.I will list the reasons for a bearish outlook, simplified and perhaps simple minded:

    1.The American consumer is completely tapped out.Pure and simple, this is the overriding reality, and one not fully factored into valuations.And it is not going to get better, but rather, worse, with more layoffs and more declines in home values.

    2.The rebate checks are not going to stimulate the economy in any way remotely close to original expectations, wiped out by rising oil prices.

    3. The financials have a lot more losses to actually account. We will see more bank failures.Lehman may blow up, but even if not, there are more writedowns in the  future.

    4. The convergence of higher credit hurdles and massive inventory will keep the housing (and auto) market frozen.

    5. The Fed has its hands tied, really unable to juice the economy with interest rate cuts due to obvious inflationary pressures.

      There are many more reasons, but these are the main cogs.I  do not mention the Hamptons effect etc.

     Now, there are some serious but less likely reasons for optimism.The following would have to happen...

     A. A serious, prolonged stabilization in the value of the dollar, and better yet, a rise.Not a one week wonder...a true rise of course would be prefereable.

     B. The price of oil not only stops going up, but due to the above and other reasons, retraces, to under $100/barrel.

    C. Emerging markets actually slow in growth. (I know, it means less export revenue as does an increase in the dollar, but lets face it, we are more dependent on domestic consumer consumption than export generated revenue. Demand side inflationary pressures on food and materials slackens.

      Anyway, a few pieces of my thought process...still left with the thought that inverse index funds are underrepresented in my portfolio.
     


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    Have been trying to make a bullish case for the market in the coming months and have failed.I will list the reasons for a bearish outlook, simplified and perhaps simple minded:

    1.The American consumer is completely tapped out.Pure and simple, this is the overriding reality, and one not fully factored into valuations.And it is not going to get better, but rather, worse, with more layoffs and more declines in home values.

    2.The rebate checks are not going to stimulate the economy in any way remotely close to original expectations, wiped out by rising oil prices.

    3. The financials have a lot more losses to actually account. We will see more bank failures.Lehman may blow up, but even if not, there are more writedowns in the  future.

    4. The convergence of higher credit hurdles and massive inventory will keep the housing (and auto) market frozen.

    5. The Fed has its hands tied, really unable to juice the economy with interest rate cuts due to obvious inflationary pressures.

      There are many more reasons, but these are the main cogs.I  do not mention the Hamptons effect etc.

     Now, there are some serious but less likely reasons for optimism.The following would have to happen...

     A. A serious, prolonged stabilization in the value of the dollar, and better yet, a rise.Not a one week wonder...a true rise of course would be prefereable.

     B. The price of oil not only stops going up, but due to the above and other reasons, retraces, to under $100/barrel.

    C. Emerging markets actually slow in growth. (I know, it means less export revenue as does an increase in the dollar, but lets face it, we are more dependent on domestic consumer consumption than export generated revenue. Demand side inflationary pressures on food and materials slackens.

      Anyway, a few pieces of my thought process...still left with the thought that inverse index funds are underrepresented in my portfolio.
     


     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2008 - 8:54 AM ET #14

    Fed Chairman Signals an End to Interest Rate Cuts Amid Concerns About Inflation
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    WASHINGTON — The Federal Reserve chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, signaled on Tuesday that further interest rate cuts were unlikely because of concerns about inflation.

    High oil prices are a double-edged sword that can both put a damper on already weak growth and spread inflation, he said.

    Mr. Bernanke, in remarks delivered via satellite to an international monetary conference in Barcelona, Spain, said that the Fed’s powerful doses of rate reductions, which started in September, along with the government’s $168 billion stimulus package, including rebates for people and tax breaks for businesses, should bring about “somewhat better economic conditions” in the second half of this year.

    To help brace the economy, the Fed in late April dropped its key rate to 2 percent, a nearly four-year low, but hinted that could be the last reduction for a while. Mr. Bernanke drove that point home again on Tuesday.

    “For now policy seems well positioned to promote moderate growth and price stability over time,” he said.

    The Fed’s juggling act has become harder. It is trying to right a wobbly economy without aggravating inflation.

    Many economists believe the Fed will hold rates steady at its next meeting in late June and probably through much, if not all, of this year. A few believe that inflation could flare up and force the Fed to begin increasing rates near the end of this year.

    But Mr. Bernanke suggested that leaving rates at their current levels should be sufficient to accomplish the Fed’s twin goals of nurturing economic growth while preventing inflation from taking off.

    Economic growth in the current quarter, he acknowledged, is “likely to be relatively weak.” Even as he reiterated the Fed’s hope for a pickup in growth in the second half of this year and into 2009, Mr. Bernanke said the economy continued to battle against negative forces — a housing slump, credit problems and fragile financial markets.

    Until the slumping housing market and falling home prices show “clearer signs of stabilization,” there will continue to be threats to improved economic growth, he said. Moreover, recent increases in oil prices pose “additional downside risks to growth,” he said.

    At the same time, if already lofty oil prices, now above $124 a barrel, continue to rise, that could worsen inflation, Mr. Bernanke warned.

    The Fed’s aggressive rate-cutting campaign has contributed to a lower value for the dollar. That, in turn, has helped push up the prices for imported goods flowing into the United States and fueled a rise in consumer prices. Mr. Bernanke called that development “unwelcome.” He said the Fed was “attentive to the implications of changes in the value of the dollar for inflation and inflation expectations.”

    During a question-and-answer session, Mr. Bernanke called the dollar’s impact on the rise in commodity prices “relatively modest” and said that global supply and demand were more important factors driving up energy prices and other prices. Still, the “weaker dollar does have inflationary impact,” and the Fed is attuned to that, he said.


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    Fed Chairman Signals an End to Interest Rate Cuts Amid Concerns About Inflation
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    WASHINGTON — The Federal Reserve chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, signaled on Tuesday that further interest rate cuts were unlikely because of concerns about inflation.

    High oil prices are a double-edged sword that can both put a damper on already weak growth and spread inflation, he said.

    Mr. Bernanke, in remarks delivered via satellite to an international monetary conference in Barcelona, Spain, said that the Fed’s powerful doses of rate reductions, which started in September, along with the government’s $168 billion stimulus package, including rebates for people and tax breaks for businesses, should bring about “somewhat better economic conditions” in the second half of this year.

    To help brace the economy, the Fed in late April dropped its key rate to 2 percent, a nearly four-year low, but hinted that could be the last reduction for a while. Mr. Bernanke drove that point home again on Tuesday.

    “For now policy seems well positioned to promote moderate growth and price stability over time,” he said.

    The Fed’s juggling act has become harder. It is trying to right a wobbly economy without aggravating inflation.

    Many economists believe the Fed will hold rates steady at its next meeting in late June and probably through much, if not all, of this year. A few believe that inflation could flare up and force the Fed to begin increasing rates near the end of this year.

    But Mr. Bernanke suggested that leaving rates at their current levels should be sufficient to accomplish the Fed’s twin goals of nurturing economic growth while preventing inflation from taking off.

    Economic growth in the current quarter, he acknowledged, is “likely to be relatively weak.” Even as he reiterated the Fed’s hope for a pickup in growth in the second half of this year and into 2009, Mr. Bernanke said the economy continued to battle against negative forces — a housing slump, credit problems and fragile financial markets.

    Until the slumping housing market and falling home prices show “clearer signs of stabilization,” there will continue to be threats to improved economic growth, he said. Moreover, recent increases in oil prices pose “additional downside risks to growth,” he said.

    At the same time, if already lofty oil prices, now above $124 a barrel, continue to rise, that could worsen inflation, Mr. Bernanke warned.

    The Fed’s aggressive rate-cutting campaign has contributed to a lower value for the dollar. That, in turn, has helped push up the prices for imported goods flowing into the United States and fueled a rise in consumer prices. Mr. Bernanke called that development “unwelcome.” He said the Fed was “attentive to the implications of changes in the value of the dollar for inflation and inflation expectations.”

    During a question-and-answer session, Mr. Bernanke called the dollar’s impact on the rise in commodity prices “relatively modest” and said that global supply and demand were more important factors driving up energy prices and other prices. Still, the “weaker dollar does have inflationary impact,” and the Fed is attuned to that, he said.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2008 - 12:36 PM ET #15

    SQNM rocking today on stellar data and timeline confirmation on its Downs prenatal tests.  This company is going to be huge when this comes to market.  Game-changing technology in a huge market.  I think it will eventually be much much much higher.  Market cap only around 400m now.
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    SQNM rocking today on stellar data and timeline confirmation on its Downs prenatal tests.  This company is going to be huge when this comes to market.  Game-changing technology in a huge market.  I think it will eventually be much much much higher.  Market cap only around 400m now.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2008 - 12:55 PM ET #16

    MBI tanking..

    Might lose AAA rating.

    Depeche, you holding IRobot?

    Good job on SQNM.
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    MBI tanking..

    Might lose AAA rating.

    Depeche, you holding IRobot?

    Good job on SQNM.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2008 - 1:54 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    MBI tanking..

    Might lose AAA rating.

    Depeche, you holding IRobot?

    Good job on SQNM.


    Unfortunately yes on IRobot at a higher price.  I would buy now if I didn't already hold it.  The real value there is in the military biz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    MBI tanking..

    Might lose AAA rating.

    Depeche, you holding IRobot?

    Good job on SQNM.


    Unfortunately yes on IRobot at a higher price.  I would buy now if I didn't already hold it.  The real value there is in the military biz.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2008 - 7:24 PM ET #18

    I have no idea how to play this............
     
    But there is no question that robotics is the future-----if there is one.
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    I have no idea how to play this............
     
    But there is no question that robotics is the future-----if there is one.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2008 - 10:02 AM ET #19

    My Sept $35 HANS calls are almost in the money already!  working out great so far.

    I bought some AMZN calls today. 

    Does anyone know anything about VVUS?  that is V V U S, not WUS

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    My Sept $35 HANS calls are almost in the money already!  working out great so far.

    I bought some AMZN calls today. 

    Does anyone know anything about VVUS?  that is V V U S, not WUS

     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2008 - 10:49 AM ET #20

    SQNM is going batshit again today, up 15% now.  I think institutions simply have to have this one.  They are in the late stages of testing a game-changing Down Syndrome test that is non-invasive, safer, cheaper and by all accounts seems to be much more accurate, that should start to hit the market first half of 2009.  100% accuracy rate in the 200 lab tests.  This is around a 1.5b market per year that they are going to corner.
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    SQNM is going batshit again today, up 15% now.  I think institutions simply have to have this one.  They are in the late stages of testing a game-changing Down Syndrome test that is non-invasive, safer, cheaper and by all accounts seems to be much more accurate, that should start to hit the market first half of 2009.  100% accuracy rate in the 200 lab tests.  This is around a 1.5b market per year that they are going to corner.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2008 - 11:49 AM ET #21

    Strong broad-based rally today.  Is this a dead cat bounce or something sustainable?
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    Strong broad-based rally today.  Is this a dead cat bounce or something sustainable?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2008 - 1:00 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunners:

    My Sept $35 HANS calls are almost in the money already!  working out great so far.

    I bought some AMZN calls today. 

    Does anyone know anything about VVUS?  that is V V U S, not WUS



    Nice job on the HANS calls..I hope they really move for you.

    Yeah I know VVUS, they were one of my first covered calls back 10 yrs ago..back then they were an erectile disfunction company who used injectible solution if I recall..but now I think they have branched into other areas. I CC'd the stock at 5 back then and as you can see its 52 week range includes sub 5, so for a decade they havent done much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunners:

    My Sept $35 HANS calls are almost in the money already!  working out great so far.

    I bought some AMZN calls today. 

    Does anyone know anything about VVUS?  that is V V U S, not WUS



    Nice job on the HANS calls..I hope they really move for you.

    Yeah I know VVUS, they were one of my first covered calls back 10 yrs ago..back then they were an erectile disfunction company who used injectible solution if I recall..but now I think they have branched into other areas. I CC'd the stock at 5 back then and as you can see its 52 week range includes sub 5, so for a decade they havent done much.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2008 - 1:03 PM ET #23

    Depeche,

    we dropped 1k plus on the DOW, this looks like a cycle low move to me.
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    Depeche,

    we dropped 1k plus on the DOW, this looks like a cycle low move to me.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2008 - 2:09 PM ET #24

     I see this as a temporary move...unless there is a real breakdown in oil pricing, and I just do not foresee that. As much as I would certainly love to see it.Carry me back to the  good old days of $3 a gallon gas!!!
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     I see this as a temporary move...unless there is a real breakdown in oil pricing, and I just do not foresee that. As much as I would certainly love to see it.Carry me back to the  good old days of $3 a gallon gas!!!
     
     
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    thanks Wall,
     
    I bought some VVUS calls this morning on a technical basis.  But they are reporting their findings of recent studies on tuesday before the open.  I only put a 1/4 position to work.  it is up nicely today.
     

    VIVUS, Inc (NASDAQ: VVUS) a pharmaceutical company dedicated to the development and commercialization of novel therapeutic products, today announced that the results from OB-202, a 28-week, placebo controlled, safety and efficacy phase 2 study to determine glycemic control in type 2 diabetics treated with Qnexa, will be delivered as a podium presentation during the American Diabetes Association (ADA) meeting in San Francisco, California, by Dr. Timothy Garvey, at 7:30 am PT Tuesday June 10, 2008.

    Results from the study will include; glycemic control as measured by a the change of glycosylated hemoglobin (HbA1c) levels, changes in fasting glucose, percent of baseline body weight lost and changes in cardiovascular risk factors.

    Following the podium presentation, VIVUS will host an investor event, where Dr. Garvey and members of VIVUS management will discuss the results of the OB-202 study.

    The investor event will take place at the W Hotel, San Francisco, at 11:30 am PT. Investors and analysts are welcomed to attend this event and may register via RSVP to Ian Clements from the Trout Group at iclements@troutgroup.com or by calling 415-392-3385. A live audio webcast and 14-day archive of the presentation will be available at https://ir.vivus.com.

    About the ADA Presentation

    The presentation will be delivered, by Dr. Timothy Garvey, during the oral abstract session entitled: Clinical Diabetes: Emerging Trends. Details of this session and the presentation are as follows:

    Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 Session Info: Oral Session: Clinical Diabetes: Emerging Trends (7:30am-9:30am) Presentation Time: 07:30am PT Room: Room 130, Moscone Center
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    thanks Wall,
     
    I bought some VVUS calls this morning on a technical basis.  But they are reporting their findings of recent studies on tuesday before the open.  I only put a 1/4 position to work.  it is up nicely today.
     

    VIVUS, Inc (NASDAQ: VVUS) a pharmaceutical company dedicated to the development and commercialization of novel therapeutic products, today announced that the results from OB-202, a 28-week, placebo controlled, safety and efficacy phase 2 study to determine glycemic control in type 2 diabetics treated with Qnexa, will be delivered as a podium presentation during the American Diabetes Association (ADA) meeting in San Francisco, California, by Dr. Timothy Garvey, at 7:30 am PT Tuesday June 10, 2008.

    Results from the study will include; glycemic control as measured by a the change of glycosylated hemoglobin (HbA1c) levels, changes in fasting glucose, percent of baseline body weight lost and changes in cardiovascular risk factors.

    Following the podium presentation, VIVUS will host an investor event, where Dr. Garvey and members of VIVUS management will discuss the results of the OB-202 study.

    The investor event will take place at the W Hotel, San Francisco, at 11:30 am PT. Investors and analysts are welcomed to attend this event and may register via RSVP to Ian Clements from the Trout Group at iclements@troutgroup.com or by calling 415-392-3385. A live audio webcast and 14-day archive of the presentation will be available at https://ir.vivus.com.

    About the ADA Presentation

    The presentation will be delivered, by Dr. Timothy Garvey, during the oral abstract session entitled: Clinical Diabetes: Emerging Trends. Details of this session and the presentation are as follows:

    Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 Session Info: Oral Session: Clinical Diabetes: Emerging Trends (7:30am-9:30am) Presentation Time: 07:30am PT Room: Room 130, Moscone Center
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