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#151
Actually, Al Quaida has confirmed that he was killed.
You guys are hilarious. Go check your toothpaste for plastic explosives.
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#154
Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
and that proves what? alqaida was organized/funded/armed buy the by the US to combat the russians we put bin laden in charge of it, but we called the shots, what makes you think that relationship has changed? what, because our leaders said it did? the same laders that said he was killed in a "FIERCE GUN BATTLE" that we now know was a battle between 24 of the best trained american soldiers and perhaps, maybe 1 guy with a gun, the same leaders that claim to have buried him out of respect for his religeon but left the other 3 dead guys (of the same religeon) behind?Actually, Al Quaida has confirmed that he was killed.
You guys are hilarious. Go check your toothpaste for plastic explosives.
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#155
Quote Originally Posted by tmstr929:
and that proves what? alqaida was organized/funded/armed buy the by the US to combat the russians we put bin laden in charge of it, but we called the shots, what makes you think that relationship has changed? what, because our leaders said it did? the same laders that said he was killed in a "FIERCE GUN BATTLE" that we now know was a battle between 24 of the best trained american soldiers and perhaps, maybe 1 guy with a gun, the same leaders that claim to have buried him out of respect for his religeon but left the other 3 dead guys (of the same religeon) behind?
and that proves what? alqaida was organized/funded/armed buy the by the US to combat the russians we put bin laden in charge of it, but we called the shots, what makes you think that relationship has changed? what, because our leaders said it did? the same laders that said he was killed in a "FIERCE GUN BATTLE" that we now know was a battle between 24 of the best trained american soldiers and perhaps, maybe 1 guy with a gun, the same leaders that claim to have buried him out of respect for his religeon but left the other 3 dead guys (of the same religeon) behind?
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#161
Who knows what to believe with government? There is always a larger, hidden agenda with these guys. History shows us that being a government official doesn't require morality, honesty, or integrity. I have a hard time believing anything the CIA says after the Iran Contra mess. I don't want to write a 7 page essay in this thread bc I actually have to get some shit done today, but that mess was one big smack in the face to the American ppl. What's even more absurd is to this day there is evidence that the CIA is still involved with drug trafficking, even after all the bad press that was produced.
There certainly are aspects of 9/11 that are puzzling and disturbing to me. I can't say one way or another if everything we've been told should be believed, but the logical side of me tells me don't. Someone in this thread kept saying they wanted logical explanations. You won't get them, but this doesn't apply only to the conspiracy side. You won't hear much logic from the govt bc they are extremely selective on the information they release. With that said, you have to meet somewhere in the middle. I don't believe everything the govt tells me by any means. Why should I when we had/have former Goldman officials (Geithner, Paulson, Dudley) making financial decisions? That one really blows my mind more than anything else. But, at the same time I can't allow myself to go completely askew and believe that everything is a sham. In the end, the truth is what YOU choose to believe. NO ONE can force you to believe anything. I'm not a big fan of the guy, but Timothy Leery said it best, "think for yourself, question authority." As long as you're thinking, and not always believing everything that is spoon-fed by the mass media, you're better off than half of this country
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#162
I just don't understand with all the holes in 9/11, why so many people stand to believe everything the GOV says. It just goes to show that common sense just isnt that common. I mean seriously there is absolutely no logical explantion for building 7 coming down demolition style, and more than half of America only know of two buildings being taken down. Why is that? 9/11 is so tragic and such a big day, but more than half the country doesn't have a clue that a third building came down. We can show planes crashing into the world trade all day long, but we can't get one single footage of a plane crashing into the pentagon. A place that I would think has survellence up the ass. To me that's just common sense that there's more going on to this story.
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#163
I just don't understand with all the holes in 9/11, why so many people stand to believe everything the GOV says.
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Blanket statement. Typical consipiracy tactic. I have said time and time again that I thought they would potentially manipulate the details. I believe about 2/3 of what they tell us. But I believe them when they said they killed Bin Laden.
And leave it to Al Quaida to confirm what happened. You know them, they like to make our government look good. 
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Posted:
#164
Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
well I wasn't really referring to weather or not to believe Osama was killed. Truthfully what does it matter? is anything gained or lost if the guy was alive or dead? Ah maybe if the war on terror was finaly over, then that would be something to celebrate. If he's alive we're still over their losing solidiers and if he's dead we're still over there losing soldiers. What I don't understand is how the guy can be hated so bad, but people turn a blind eye to the relationship between bush and their family. Makes no sense to me.
I just don't understand with all the holes in 9/11, why so many people stand to believe everything the GOV says.
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Blanket statement. Typical consipiracy tactic. I have said time and time again that I thought they would potentially manipulate the details. I believe about 2/3 of what they tell us. But I believe them when they said they killed Bin Laden.
And leave it to Al Quaida to confirm what happened. You know them, they like to make our government look good.
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#166
Note:This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been "overruled" by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. (see at above link)
What follows is further clarification of Insider's insights surrounding that event.
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Q: You stated that President Obama was "overruled" by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?
A: I was told – in these exact terms, "we overruled him." (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president's "persistent hesitation to act."
There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.
I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper.
The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position.
This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president's failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts.
What follows is further clarification of Insider's insights surrounding that event.
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Q: You stated that President Obama was "overruled" by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?
A: I was told – in these exact terms, "we overruled him." (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president's "persistent hesitation to act."
There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.
I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper.
The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position.
This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president's failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts.
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#167
One, that the military action could fail and harm the president's already weakened standing with both the American public and the world.
Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.
Q: What changed the president's position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?
A: Nothing changed with the president's opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of.
Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act.
But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta's failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act.
It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.
What happened from there is what was described by me as a "masterful manipulation" by Leon Panetta.
Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden's location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president's inaction would be "...significant to the point of political debilitation."
It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure.
The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him.
What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him – and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault.
Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.
Q: What changed the president's position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?
A: Nothing changed with the president's opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of.
Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act.
But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta's failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act.
It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.
What happened from there is what was described by me as a "masterful manipulation" by Leon Panetta.
Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden's location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president's inaction would be "...significant to the point of political debilitation."
It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure.
The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him.
What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him – and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault.
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#168
This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat.
Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta's permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president's full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval.
Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president's indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion.
Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.
This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett's office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue.
Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta's permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president's full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval.
Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president's indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion.
Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.
This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett's office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue.
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#169
Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym "CoC" (CHAIN OF COMMAND) and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission.
What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates' office, a representative from Leon Panetta's office, and a representative from Jim Clapper's office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States.
There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated.
President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing (see his clothes in the situation room photo) and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking "very confused and uncertain."
The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already "up to speed" on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day's events before the president was.
The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president's role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.
At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it "...much more confident. Much more certain of himself."
He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.
In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term.
These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president's office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact.
What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation.
I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.
What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates' office, a representative from Leon Panetta's office, and a representative from Jim Clapper's office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States.
There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated.
President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing (see his clothes in the situation room photo) and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking "very confused and uncertain."
The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already "up to speed" on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day's events before the president was.
The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president's role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.
At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it "...much more confident. Much more certain of himself."
He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.
In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term.
These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president's office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact.
What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation.
I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.
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#170
Ok you guys won. They have successfully pulled the wool over the american publics eyes once again. I cant compete with every disinformation piece they put out that you guys swallow hook,line,and sinker.
But what did you win really? That the government can make any claim no matter how preposterous and then tell you we dont have to show you shit for proof slave, sit down and shutup? That the government gives away trillions of dollars of your money to their banker friends in plain view and tells you to fuck off its none of your business? That they are preparing now to keep you safe from future terror attacks for decades to come by putting TSA checkpoints in bus stops, trains station,department stores,and on highways? That they can now continue to attack and invade countries all over the world with impunity because now they can say anything with no proof and you must believe it? That theyve destroyed the dollar and gas is at all time highs? That 1 in 7 of all americans are on food stamps? That they admit they grow opium in afghanistan and have been caught multiple times shipping drugs into the country? Keep thinking Im the fool and letting them tell you things without showing a shread of evidence and all these problems and more will only get worse.
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#171
Quote Originally Posted by TyDarius:
No plane hitting the pentagon?? Why don't you tell that to the people who lost family members on that plane? DNA confirmed all but 5 were found at the Pentagon. No respectable engineer or physists has even claimed the buildings were bombed. Oh wait, theyre in on it too!!I just don't understand with all the holes in 9/11, why so many people stand to believe everything the GOV says. It just goes to show that common sense just isnt that common. I mean seriously there is absolutely no logical explantion for building 7 coming down demolition style, and more than half of America only know of two buildings being taken down. Why is that? 9/11 is so tragic and such a big day, but more than half the country doesn't have a clue that a third building came down. We can show planes crashing into the world trade all day long, but we can't get one single footage of a plane crashing into the pentagon. A place that I would think has survellence up the ass. To me that's just common sense that there's more going on to this story.
We fucked up the Katrina disaster yet somehow the Bush administration was able to cover up the deaths of thousands of people on 9/11.
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#172
https://www.brasschecktv.com/page/59.html
Al Qaeda: An invention of the US
Osama bin Laden as mastermind of the global terror organization with sleeper cells all over the globe has to rank as one of the most spectacular hoaxes in human history.
At a trillion dollars and counting (fake wars, Homeland Security etc) it's certainly one of the most expensive.
Earth to news media victims: There is no organization, there are no "sleeper cells", this was and is total bullshit.
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