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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 11:13 AM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

    IMO it was known that something was going to happen, but officials were too ignorant to accept it


    This is possible, but I wouldn't necessarily say "ignorant" so much as they had no reason to believe that some third party terrorist group would actually be able to pull that shit off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

    IMO it was known that something was going to happen, but officials were too ignorant to accept it


    This is possible, but I wouldn't necessarily say "ignorant" so much as they had no reason to believe that some third party terrorist group would actually be able to pull that shit off.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 11:25 AM ET #152

    I think flight 93 was shot down by our ariforce. that was our only solution with that flight.

    No evidance was recovered because it was blown up in the air.

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    I think flight 93 was shot down by our ariforce. that was our only solution with that flight.

    No evidance was recovered because it was blown up in the air.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 12:09 PM ET #154

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    That quote above by Estulin really contradicts everything he says in the book.  I'm really shocked to be honest and I'll have to read that speech in context later today when I get time

    And please guys, don't knock the book and Estulin unless you've read it first.  You can't argue something without knowing what the guy said/did first



    Since it is written in a book then it MUST be true. So people should take anything read in a book as completely accurate but should not believe anything they read on the Internet?

    There is no way of authenticating anything he states in the book but the fact that he was actually able to complete the book without disappearing tells me everything I need to know. According to your theory this organization had no qualms about killing thousands of innocent people (people I might add that almost certainly had no care or knowledge about the Bilderberg Group) yet they were powerless to do anything about one man who was going to reveal all their secrets in a published work?

    If I am in a super secret organization and those are my goals and we were involved in the events of 9/11 as you state then I can say with 100% certainty that Daniel Estulin would not have lived to get that book published. He, all his work to date, and anyone else he did or may have associated and/or collaborated with would have disappeared from the face of the earth.

    If you were in the organization are you saying you would argue with us over what to do about the Daniel Estulin situation?

    He certainly wouldn't be the first author guilty of fabrication in order to sell more books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    That quote above by Estulin really contradicts everything he says in the book.  I'm really shocked to be honest and I'll have to read that speech in context later today when I get time

    And please guys, don't knock the book and Estulin unless you've read it first.  You can't argue something without knowing what the guy said/did first



    Since it is written in a book then it MUST be true. So people should take anything read in a book as completely accurate but should not believe anything they read on the Internet?

    There is no way of authenticating anything he states in the book but the fact that he was actually able to complete the book without disappearing tells me everything I need to know. According to your theory this organization had no qualms about killing thousands of innocent people (people I might add that almost certainly had no care or knowledge about the Bilderberg Group) yet they were powerless to do anything about one man who was going to reveal all their secrets in a published work?

    If I am in a super secret organization and those are my goals and we were involved in the events of 9/11 as you state then I can say with 100% certainty that Daniel Estulin would not have lived to get that book published. He, all his work to date, and anyone else he did or may have associated and/or collaborated with would have disappeared from the face of the earth.

    If you were in the organization are you saying you would argue with us over what to do about the Daniel Estulin situation?

    He certainly wouldn't be the first author guilty of fabrication in order to sell more books.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 12:18 PM ET #155

    Because planes bring a level of fear that almost everyone can relate to. So now you have a fear of flying and a fear of terrorist all in one ball of wax.
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    Because planes bring a level of fear that almost everyone can relate to. So now you have a fear of flying and a fear of terrorist all in one ball of wax.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 12:19 PM ET #156

    Quote Originally Posted by spiff:



    Since it is written in a book then it MUST be true. So people should take anything read in a book as completely accurate but should not believe anything they read on the Internet?

    There is no way of authenticating anything he states in the book but the fact that he was actually able to complete the book without disappearing tells me everything I need to know. According to your theory this organization had no qualms about killing thousands of innocent people (people I might add that almost certainly had no care or knowledge about the Bilderberg Group) yet they were powerless to do anything about one man who was going to reveal all their secrets in a published work?

    If I am in a super secret organization and those are my goals and we were involved in the events of 9/11 as you state then I can say with 100% certainty that Daniel Estulin would not have lived to get that book published. He, all his work to date, and anyone else he did or may have associated and/or collaborated with would have disappeared from the face of the earth.

    If you were in the organization are you saying you would argue with us over what to do about the Daniel Estulin situation?

    He certainly wouldn't be the first author guilty of fabrication in order to sell more books.

    I'm sorry but you cannot make this statement without reading the book, which I'm 100% sure you have not done.

    Estulin describes seating charts for the yearly meetings, in-depth discussions that have taken place, and other very specific details about the on-goings of the Bilderbergs.  I am 100% sure he has not made any of it up, and you would be too if you read the book.

    As far as why this book was able to be published?  Estulin is one of Canada's most well respected journalists.  He's lived there since the early 90's, I believe.  He has made it very public that he wants to expose the Bilderbergs before it's too late.  He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them

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    Since it is written in a book then it MUST be true. So people should take anything read in a book as completely accurate but should not believe anything they read on the Internet?

    There is no way of authenticating anything he states in the book but the fact that he was actually able to complete the book without disappearing tells me everything I need to know. According to your theory this organization had no qualms about killing thousands of innocent people (people I might add that almost certainly had no care or knowledge about the Bilderberg Group) yet they were powerless to do anything about one man who was going to reveal all their secrets in a published work?

    If I am in a super secret organization and those are my goals and we were involved in the events of 9/11 as you state then I can say with 100% certainty that Daniel Estulin would not have lived to get that book published. He, all his work to date, and anyone else he did or may have associated and/or collaborated with would have disappeared from the face of the earth.

    If you were in the organization are you saying you would argue with us over what to do about the Daniel Estulin situation?

    He certainly wouldn't be the first author guilty of fabrication in order to sell more books.

    I'm sorry but you cannot make this statement without reading the book, which I'm 100% sure you have not done.

    Estulin describes seating charts for the yearly meetings, in-depth discussions that have taken place, and other very specific details about the on-goings of the Bilderbergs.  I am 100% sure he has not made any of it up, and you would be too if you read the book.

    As far as why this book was able to be published?  Estulin is one of Canada's most well respected journalists.  He's lived there since the early 90's, I believe.  He has made it very public that he wants to expose the Bilderbergs before it's too late.  He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 12:44 PM ET #157

    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Because planes bring a level of fear that almost everyone can relate to. So now you have a fear of flying and a fear of terrorist all in one ball of wax.

    And now people are willing to trade freedoms for safety.

    I'm glad I don't have children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Because planes bring a level of fear that almost everyone can relate to. So now you have a fear of flying and a fear of terrorist all in one ball of wax.

    And now people are willing to trade freedoms for safety.

    I'm glad I don't have children.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 12:55 PM ET #158

    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:

    And now people are willing to trade freedoms for safety.

    I'm glad I don't have children.

    Bingo

     

    It's almost as if it was planned out or something.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:

    And now people are willing to trade freedoms for safety.

    I'm glad I don't have children.

    Bingo

     

    It's almost as if it was planned out or something.....

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 1:16 PM ET #159

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I'm sorry but you cannot make this statement without reading the book, which I'm 100% sure you have not done.

    Estulin describes seating charts for the yearly meetings, in-depth discussions that have taken place, and other very specific details about the on-goings of the Bilderbergs.  I am 100% sure he has not made any of it up, and you would be too if you read the book.

    As far as why this book was able to be published?  Estulin is one of Canada's most well respected journalists.  He's lived there since the early 90's, I believe.  He has made it very public that he wants to expose the Bilderbergs before it's too late.  He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them



    Sure I can.

    He described seating charts? Now you have convinced me to its authenticity. You can't make things like that up.

    So the super secret organization that operates in complete secrecy invited an author to attend the yearly meetings to listen in on their plans to take down the WTC, attack the pentagon and everything else that happened?

    He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them? You have been able to authenticate these attempts?

    Explain to me how the Bilderberg Group can do everything you claim they did on 9/11 and do it successfully yet couldn't accomplish the simple task of killing an author and not only that would fail numerous times trying.

    You are 100% correct that I have not read the book nor do I intend to read the book. However, you are wrong that I would believe it was true if I did read the book.

    Imagine that, an author, through his written words, convincing a reader of the authenticity of the subject matter without any proof. He must be a good writer but of course you HAVE to believe it otherwise your theory has a major hole.


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    I'm sorry but you cannot make this statement without reading the book, which I'm 100% sure you have not done.

    Estulin describes seating charts for the yearly meetings, in-depth discussions that have taken place, and other very specific details about the on-goings of the Bilderbergs.  I am 100% sure he has not made any of it up, and you would be too if you read the book.

    As far as why this book was able to be published?  Estulin is one of Canada's most well respected journalists.  He's lived there since the early 90's, I believe.  He has made it very public that he wants to expose the Bilderbergs before it's too late.  He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them



    Sure I can.

    He described seating charts? Now you have convinced me to its authenticity. You can't make things like that up.

    So the super secret organization that operates in complete secrecy invited an author to attend the yearly meetings to listen in on their plans to take down the WTC, attack the pentagon and everything else that happened?

    He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them? You have been able to authenticate these attempts?

    Explain to me how the Bilderberg Group can do everything you claim they did on 9/11 and do it successfully yet couldn't accomplish the simple task of killing an author and not only that would fail numerous times trying.

    You are 100% correct that I have not read the book nor do I intend to read the book. However, you are wrong that I would believe it was true if I did read the book.

    Imagine that, an author, through his written words, convincing a reader of the authenticity of the subject matter without any proof. He must be a good writer but of course you HAVE to believe it otherwise your theory has a major hole.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 1:24 PM ET #160

    If this is such a cover-up? Then why hasn't anyone come forward and say something to the media??? In this country, people talk ALL THE TIME!!!

     

    I just love up the people who believe this is a cover-up, make you have to prove the facts, and not the other way around.... It's not investigative reporting when you just throw up ideas/hypothesis about 9/11 events.

    hey smdio: Show some physical evidence that this is a whole cover-up??? Oh wait, you can't. It's all hear-say and speculation. Again, I am sorry for your loss....

     

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    If this is such a cover-up? Then why hasn't anyone come forward and say something to the media??? In this country, people talk ALL THE TIME!!!

     

    I just love up the people who believe this is a cover-up, make you have to prove the facts, and not the other way around.... It's not investigative reporting when you just throw up ideas/hypothesis about 9/11 events.

    hey smdio: Show some physical evidence that this is a whole cover-up??? Oh wait, you can't. It's all hear-say and speculation. Again, I am sorry for your loss....

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 1:27 PM ET #161

    Quote Originally Posted by spiff:



    Sure I can.

    He described seating charts? Now you have convinced me to its authenticity. You can't make things like that up.

    So the super secret organization that operates in complete secrecy invited an author to attend the yearly meetings to listen in on their plans to take down the WTC, attack the pentagon and everything else that happened?

    He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them? You have been able to authenticate these attempts?

    Explain to me how the Bilderberg Group can do everything you claim they did on 9/11 and do it successfully yet couldn't accomplish the simple task of killing an author and not only that would fail numerous times trying.

    You are 100% correct that I have not read the book nor do I intend to read the book. However, you are wrong that I would believe it was true if I did read the book.

    Imagine that, an author, through his written words, convincing a reader of the authenticity of the subject matter without any proof. He must be a good writer but of course you HAVE to believe it otherwise your theory has a major hole.


    You are a very naive person, my friend. 

    No, his claims aren't true just because of "seating charts".  In the book, he gives names of people that were murdered in order to give him information.  These people were former Mi5 operatives, CIA agents, and the likes.  I'm not going to sit here and try to prove something to you when you are 100% unwilling and closed-minded enough to not believe a word I say anyway.  Why waste my time?

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    Sure I can.

    He described seating charts? Now you have convinced me to its authenticity. You can't make things like that up.

    So the super secret organization that operates in complete secrecy invited an author to attend the yearly meetings to listen in on their plans to take down the WTC, attack the pentagon and everything else that happened?

    He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them? You have been able to authenticate these attempts?

    Explain to me how the Bilderberg Group can do everything you claim they did on 9/11 and do it successfully yet couldn't accomplish the simple task of killing an author and not only that would fail numerous times trying.

    You are 100% correct that I have not read the book nor do I intend to read the book. However, you are wrong that I would believe it was true if I did read the book.

    Imagine that, an author, through his written words, convincing a reader of the authenticity of the subject matter without any proof. He must be a good writer but of course you HAVE to believe it otherwise your theory has a major hole.


    You are a very naive person, my friend. 

    No, his claims aren't true just because of "seating charts".  In the book, he gives names of people that were murdered in order to give him information.  These people were former Mi5 operatives, CIA agents, and the likes.  I'm not going to sit here and try to prove something to you when you are 100% unwilling and closed-minded enough to not believe a word I say anyway.  Why waste my time?

     
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    The FACTS are...

    A religious miliant group being protected by the Taliban had a series of terrorist attacks in the early 90s up to the present with 9/11 being the biggest attack of them all. Bin Laden ordered a jihad on all America in 1996, I believe. The CIA was attempting to capture and/or kill Bin Laden before the attacks on 9/11 but they were unsuccessful. Over 3,000 people lost there lives on 9/11.

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    A religious miliant group being protected by the Taliban had a series of terrorist attacks in the early 90s up to the present with 9/11 being the biggest attack of them all. Bin Laden ordered a jihad on all America in 1996, I believe. The CIA was attempting to capture and/or kill Bin Laden before the attacks on 9/11 but they were unsuccessful. Over 3,000 people lost there lives on 9/11.

     
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    Oh and no, Estulin was never invited to the meetings.  Almost all of his information provided in the book (which you won't read) has been given to him by actual members that were inside the meetings.

    Maybe he paid them off, maybe they just gave it willingly.  However he obtained it doesn't really matter to me.

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    Oh and no, Estulin was never invited to the meetings.  Almost all of his information provided in the book (which you won't read) has been given to him by actual members that were inside the meetings.

    Maybe he paid them off, maybe they just gave it willingly.  However he obtained it doesn't really matter to me.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    You are a very naive person, my friend. 

    No, his claims aren't true just because of "seating charts".  In the book, he gives names of people that were murdered in order to give him information.  These people were former Mi5 operatives, CIA agents, and the likes.  I'm not going to sit here and try to prove something to you when you are 100% unwilling and closed-minded enough to not believe a word I say anyway.  Why waste my time?



    I am naive? You are the one that simply believes something just because it is written in a book. You posted earlier that one shouldn't believe what one reads on the Internet but apparently if is in a book it has to be factual.

    I should believe you? Why don't you believe me? By your own definition you are closed minded since you won't believe a word I say. You won't even respond to the main question.

     So Mi5 and CIA operatives give him information and they are murdered (presumably by order of the Bilderberg powers). These are people who should be harder to kill then an author.

    Explain to me in detail how the Bilderberg Group can successfully do everything you claim they did leading to and on 9/11 AND can kill everyone (including Mi5 and CIA operatives) who provided the author information yet couldn't accomplish the simple task of killing the author and not only that would fail numerous times trying. Also, if this group is so powerful how couldn't they just not stop the publisher from actually publishing the book.

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    You are a very naive person, my friend. 

    No, his claims aren't true just because of "seating charts".  In the book, he gives names of people that were murdered in order to give him information.  These people were former Mi5 operatives, CIA agents, and the likes.  I'm not going to sit here and try to prove something to you when you are 100% unwilling and closed-minded enough to not believe a word I say anyway.  Why waste my time?



    I am naive? You are the one that simply believes something just because it is written in a book. You posted earlier that one shouldn't believe what one reads on the Internet but apparently if is in a book it has to be factual.

    I should believe you? Why don't you believe me? By your own definition you are closed minded since you won't believe a word I say. You won't even respond to the main question.

     So Mi5 and CIA operatives give him information and they are murdered (presumably by order of the Bilderberg powers). These are people who should be harder to kill then an author.

    Explain to me in detail how the Bilderberg Group can successfully do everything you claim they did leading to and on 9/11 AND can kill everyone (including Mi5 and CIA operatives) who provided the author information yet couldn't accomplish the simple task of killing the author and not only that would fail numerous times trying. Also, if this group is so powerful how couldn't they just not stop the publisher from actually publishing the book.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I'm sorry but you cannot make this statement without reading the book, which I'm 100% sure you have not done.

    Estulin describes seating charts for the yearly meetings, in-depth discussions that have taken place, and other very specific details about the on-goings of the Bilderbergs.  I am 100% sure he has not made any of it up, and you would be too if you read the book.

    As far as why this book was able to be published?  Estulin is one of Canada's most well respected journalists.  He's lived there since the early 90's, I believe.  He has made it very public that he wants to expose the Bilderbergs before it's too late.  He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them




    See that over there? That's his point. You completely missed it.
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    I'm sorry but you cannot make this statement without reading the book, which I'm 100% sure you have not done.

    Estulin describes seating charts for the yearly meetings, in-depth discussions that have taken place, and other very specific details about the on-goings of the Bilderbergs.  I am 100% sure he has not made any of it up, and you would be too if you read the book.

    As far as why this book was able to be published?  Estulin is one of Canada's most well respected journalists.  He's lived there since the early 90's, I believe.  He has made it very public that he wants to expose the Bilderbergs before it's too late.  He's had over a dozen attempts on his life since he started his crusade against them




    See that over there? That's his point. You completely missed it.
     
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    Spaceman Spiff is right -- the mere fact that his book was published and he is still alive guarantees that it is not accurate. The "giant conspiracy" would have had him killed (successfully, mind you) and would have squashed the book (since they have friends in all levels of gov't in many countries.)

    You cannot get around this argument.
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    Spaceman Spiff is right -- the mere fact that his book was published and he is still alive guarantees that it is not accurate. The "giant conspiracy" would have had him killed (successfully, mind you) and would have squashed the book (since they have friends in all levels of gov't in many countries.)

    You cannot get around this argument.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Oh and no, Estulin was never invited to the meetings.  Almost all of his information provided in the book (which you won't read) has been given to him by actual members that were inside the meetings.

    Maybe he paid them off, maybe they just gave it willingly.  However he obtained it doesn't really matter to me.



    Of course it doesn't matter to you. It is a vital part of your whole theory. If you doubt it then you must doubt your entire theory.
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    Oh and no, Estulin was never invited to the meetings.  Almost all of his information provided in the book (which you won't read) has been given to him by actual members that were inside the meetings.

    Maybe he paid them off, maybe they just gave it willingly.  However he obtained it doesn't really matter to me.



    Of course it doesn't matter to you. It is a vital part of your whole theory. If you doubt it then you must doubt your entire theory.
     
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    Who said that the Bilderbergs have denied their own existance?  As a matter of fact, they have not.  They openly admitt that the group exists, but they deny that what Estulin claims is true.  They argue, instead, that the Group exists to keep peace amongst the world, by having world leaders meet and be able to talk openly and freely without the admittance of the Free Press and Media quoting their every word

    The Bilderbergs are an upper class elite, not a group of mindless murderers, for fuck sake!  They would not risk seeking out and killing an author and practically "outing themselves".  The reason for the 9/11 attacks was to create fear amongst Americans.  This attack was the first of several that will occur.

    Daniel Estulin is not dead because the Bilderbergs do not want, nor need him dead.

    And don't misquote me.  I never said the Mi5 or CIA agents were killed by the Bilderbergs.  When you swear an oath to keep confidential information classified, and you disobey that oath by releasing information and your employer finds out?  You get killed.  The Bilderbergs most likely had nothing to do with any of that

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    Who said that the Bilderbergs have denied their own existance?  As a matter of fact, they have not.  They openly admitt that the group exists, but they deny that what Estulin claims is true.  They argue, instead, that the Group exists to keep peace amongst the world, by having world leaders meet and be able to talk openly and freely without the admittance of the Free Press and Media quoting their every word

    The Bilderbergs are an upper class elite, not a group of mindless murderers, for fuck sake!  They would not risk seeking out and killing an author and practically "outing themselves".  The reason for the 9/11 attacks was to create fear amongst Americans.  This attack was the first of several that will occur.

    Daniel Estulin is not dead because the Bilderbergs do not want, nor need him dead.

    And don't misquote me.  I never said the Mi5 or CIA agents were killed by the Bilderbergs.  When you swear an oath to keep confidential information classified, and you disobey that oath by releasing information and your employer finds out?  You get killed.  The Bilderbergs most likely had nothing to do with any of that

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Who said that the Bilderbergs have denied their own existance?  As a matter of fact, they have not.  They openly admitt that the group exists, but they deny that what Estulin claims is true.  They argue, instead, that the Group exists to keep peace amongst the world, by having world leaders meet and be able to talk openly and freely without the admittance of the Free Press and Media quoting their every word

    The Bilderbergs are an upper class elite, not a group of mindless murderers, for fuck sake!  They would not risk seeking out and killing an author and practically "outing themselves".  The reason for the 9/11 attacks was to create fear amongst Americans.  This attack was the first of several that will occur.

    Daniel Estulin is not dead because the Bilderbergs do not want, nor need him dead.

    And don't misquote me.  I never said the Mi5 or CIA agents were killed by the Bilderbergs.  When you swear an oath to keep confidential information classified, and you disobey that oath by releasing information and your employer finds out?  You get killed.  The Bilderbergs most likely had nothing to do with any of that

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,but in his book, he talks of many attempts on his life...............and calling this guy one of the most respected journalist in Canada is like saying Ryan Leaf is one of the most respceted QB's to have suited up in the NFL....
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    Who said that the Bilderbergs have denied their own existance?  As a matter of fact, they have not.  They openly admitt that the group exists, but they deny that what Estulin claims is true.  They argue, instead, that the Group exists to keep peace amongst the world, by having world leaders meet and be able to talk openly and freely without the admittance of the Free Press and Media quoting their every word

    The Bilderbergs are an upper class elite, not a group of mindless murderers, for fuck sake!  They would not risk seeking out and killing an author and practically "outing themselves".  The reason for the 9/11 attacks was to create fear amongst Americans.  This attack was the first of several that will occur.

    Daniel Estulin is not dead because the Bilderbergs do not want, nor need him dead.

    And don't misquote me.  I never said the Mi5 or CIA agents were killed by the Bilderbergs.  When you swear an oath to keep confidential information classified, and you disobey that oath by releasing information and your employer finds out?  You get killed.  The Bilderbergs most likely had nothing to do with any of that

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,but in his book, he talks of many attempts on his life...............and calling this guy one of the most respected journalist in Canada is like saying Ryan Leaf is one of the most respceted QB's to have suited up in the NFL....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Who said that the Bilderbergs have denied their own existance?  As a matter of fact, they have not.  They openly admitt that the group exists, but they deny that what Estulin claims is true.  They argue, instead, that the Group exists to keep peace amongst the world, by having world leaders meet and be able to talk openly and freely without the admittance of the Free Press and Media quoting their every word

    The Bilderbergs are an upper class elite, not a group of mindless murderers, for fuck sake!  They would not risk seeking out and killing an author and practically "outing themselves".  The reason for the 9/11 attacks was to create fear amongst Americans.  This attack was the first of several that will occur.

    Daniel Estulin is not dead because the Bilderbergs do not want, nor need him dead.

    And don't misquote me.  I never said the Mi5 or CIA agents were killed by the Bilderbergs.  When you swear an oath to keep confidential information classified, and you disobey that oath by releasing information and your employer finds out?  You get killed.  The Bilderbergs most likely had nothing to do with any of that



    You are the one that stated they operate in complete secrecy (post #31). Complete secrecy would be just that, complete, total, absolute. In other words you implied that they would deny their own existence.

    Now you are saying they openly admit the group exists. Perhaps you should have said they operate in partial secrecy.


    They are not murderers?

    According to you they are behind the 9/11 attacks in which people were killed. Are you saying the people killed on 9/11 were not murdered? I would swear you stated that at least once or it was at least certainly implied.

    If you pay or otherwise persuade someone to kill someone else you are a murderer. Where the people killed on 9/11 murdered or not?


    Do you actually put thought to what you are writing from post to post?

    They would not risk seeking out and killing an author and practically "outing themselves".

    So there was no risk in orchestrating the events of 9/11 but there was tremendous risk in being "outed" by killing an author whose plan was to "out" them? How in the world would killing an relatively unknown author practically out themselves but destroying 2 110 story buildings in such dramatic fashion pose no risk to their agenda?

    Also, you stated that he has had numerous attempts made at his life. Now you are saying they didn't want nor need him dead and it would have been a great risk to kill him? So why would there be attempts at his life?

    Which is it? Did they try to kill him or did they deem him irrelevant?


    I didn't misquote you. Your statement wasn't clear and to me implied that they were behind those murders, which is why I used the term presumably. However, who would have informed Mi5 or the CIA that the agents were talking to Estulin? Did they give their real names to him?
     


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    Who said that the Bilderbergs have denied their own existance?  As a matter of fact, they have not.  They openly admitt that the group exists, but they deny that what Estulin claims is true.  They argue, instead, that the Group exists to keep peace amongst the world, by having world leaders meet and be able to talk openly and freely without the admittance of the Free Press and Media quoting their every word

    The Bilderbergs are an upper class elite, not a group of mindless murderers, for fuck sake!  They would not risk seeking out and killing an author and practically "outing themselves".  The reason for the 9/11 attacks was to create fear amongst Americans.  This attack was the first of several that will occur.

    Daniel Estulin is not dead because the Bilderbergs do not want, nor need him dead.

    And don't misquote me.  I never said the Mi5 or CIA agents were killed by the Bilderbergs.  When you swear an oath to keep confidential information classified, and you disobey that oath by releasing information and your employer finds out?  You get killed.  The Bilderbergs most likely had nothing to do with any of that



    You are the one that stated they operate in complete secrecy (post #31). Complete secrecy would be just that, complete, total, absolute. In other words you implied that they would deny their own existence.

    Now you are saying they openly admit the group exists. Perhaps you should have said they operate in partial secrecy.


    They are not murderers?

    According to you they are behind the 9/11 attacks in which people were killed. Are you saying the people killed on 9/11 were not murdered? I would swear you stated that at least once or it was at least certainly implied.

    If you pay or otherwise persuade someone to kill someone else you are a murderer. Where the people killed on 9/11 murdered or not?


    Do you actually put thought to what you are writing from post to post?

    They would not risk seeking out and killing an author and practically "outing themselves".

    So there was no risk in orchestrating the events of 9/11 but there was tremendous risk in being "outed" by killing an author whose plan was to "out" them? How in the world would killing an relatively unknown author practically out themselves but destroying 2 110 story buildings in such dramatic fashion pose no risk to their agenda?

    Also, you stated that he has had numerous attempts made at his life. Now you are saying they didn't want nor need him dead and it would have been a great risk to kill him? So why would there be attempts at his life?

    Which is it? Did they try to kill him or did they deem him irrelevant?


    I didn't misquote you. Your statement wasn't clear and to me implied that they were behind those murders, which is why I used the term presumably. However, who would have informed Mi5 or the CIA that the agents were talking to Estulin? Did they give their real names to him?
     


     
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    If this is such a cover-up? Then why hasn't anyone come forward and say something to the media??? In this country, people talk ALL THE TIME!!!

     

    I just love up the people who believe this is a cover-up, make you have to prove the facts, and not the other way around.... It's not investigative reporting when you just throw up ideas/hypothesis about 9/11 events.

    hey smdio: Show some physical evidence that this is a whole cover-up??? Oh wait, you can't. It's all hear-say and speculation. Again, I am sorry for your loss....

     

    It's not so much that it was a cover up, but rather that they let it happen. When you know that known terrorist members are  taking flying lessons on our own soil and don't act upon it then one would have to deduce such a theory. Not to mention that these flight schools were under surveillance by the FBI. And this is just one piece of inteligence that was ignored.

    Let's also not forget that it wasn't the first act upon the WTC buildings. However, knowing what this type of devistation would in turn do could allow the intelligence to be discounted and then.......oooopppsss!!!

     

    Here is an intersting read Link

     

     

     

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    If this is such a cover-up? Then why hasn't anyone come forward and say something to the media??? In this country, people talk ALL THE TIME!!!

     

    I just love up the people who believe this is a cover-up, make you have to prove the facts, and not the other way around.... It's not investigative reporting when you just throw up ideas/hypothesis about 9/11 events.

    hey smdio: Show some physical evidence that this is a whole cover-up??? Oh wait, you can't. It's all hear-say and speculation. Again, I am sorry for your loss....

     

    It's not so much that it was a cover up, but rather that they let it happen. When you know that known terrorist members are  taking flying lessons on our own soil and don't act upon it then one would have to deduce such a theory. Not to mention that these flight schools were under surveillance by the FBI. And this is just one piece of inteligence that was ignored.

    Let's also not forget that it wasn't the first act upon the WTC buildings. However, knowing what this type of devistation would in turn do could allow the intelligence to be discounted and then.......oooopppsss!!!

     

    Here is an intersting read Link

     

     

     

     
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    nuff said!!

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    nuff said!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

      I highly doubt the government would have killed those passengers, but I absolutely believe that if they are capable of staging such attacks as the ones on the WTC, they are more than capable of sitting down 200 people, and giving them an ultimatum:

    "You will not contact your famlies ever again.  We will give you new lives with unlimited access to whatever you desire. We will place you in a very undisclosed location and give you new identities.  We will watch every move you make and monitor every minute of your daily lives.  Should you contact your family or speak of this to anyone, we will kill both them, and you."

    Would you agree?  I don't think you would have a choice..

    huge slip up, by now you must see the contradiction in that statement and wish it never left your backyard. I don't know if your father is alive or dead, but I don't believe your story about him. I think you made that up to gain sympathy from everyone and thought it would boost your credibility. 

    I see you just signed on this month, huh... wasn't it your plan to spring this on us after at least a good month of laying some ground work... tisk , tisk

    oh, I must give you some credit, I loved how at the end of your first post you said, "...if you're too naive to believe something like this can and most likely has been staged, and you don't have anything constructive to bring to the discussion please find your way out of this thread without responding."

    c'mon, hotshot, show us that devilish grin... I bet if you make it really obvious some of the old timers on here can still see it without their bifocals

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      I highly doubt the government would have killed those passengers, but I absolutely believe that if they are capable of staging such attacks as the ones on the WTC, they are more than capable of sitting down 200 people, and giving them an ultimatum:

    "You will not contact your famlies ever again.  We will give you new lives with unlimited access to whatever you desire. We will place you in a very undisclosed location and give you new identities.  We will watch every move you make and monitor every minute of your daily lives.  Should you contact your family or speak of this to anyone, we will kill both them, and you."

    Would you agree?  I don't think you would have a choice..

    huge slip up, by now you must see the contradiction in that statement and wish it never left your backyard. I don't know if your father is alive or dead, but I don't believe your story about him. I think you made that up to gain sympathy from everyone and thought it would boost your credibility. 

    I see you just signed on this month, huh... wasn't it your plan to spring this on us after at least a good month of laying some ground work... tisk , tisk

    oh, I must give you some credit, I loved how at the end of your first post you said, "...if you're too naive to believe something like this can and most likely has been staged, and you don't have anything constructive to bring to the discussion please find your way out of this thread without responding."

    c'mon, hotshot, show us that devilish grin... I bet if you make it really obvious some of the old timers on here can still see it without their bifocals

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockonova:

    huge slip up, by now you must see the contradiction in that statement and wish it never left your backyard. I don't know if your father is alive or dead, but I don't believe your story about him. I think you made that up to gain sympathy from everyone and thought it would boost your credibility. 

    I see you just signed on this month, huh... wasn't it your plan to spring this on us after at least a good month of laying some ground work... tisk , tisk

    oh, I must give you some credit, I loved how at the end of your first post you said, "...if you're too naive to believe something like this can and most likely has been staged, and you don't have anything constructive to bring to the discussion please find your way out of this thread without responding."

    c'mon, hotshot, show us that devilish grin... I bet if you make it really obvious some of the old timers on here can still see it without their bifocals



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    huge slip up, by now you must see the contradiction in that statement and wish it never left your backyard. I don't know if your father is alive or dead, but I don't believe your story about him. I think you made that up to gain sympathy from everyone and thought it would boost your credibility. 

    I see you just signed on this month, huh... wasn't it your plan to spring this on us after at least a good month of laying some ground work... tisk , tisk

    oh, I must give you some credit, I loved how at the end of your first post you said, "...if you're too naive to believe something like this can and most likely has been staged, and you don't have anything constructive to bring to the discussion please find your way out of this thread without responding."

    c'mon, hotshot, show us that devilish grin... I bet if you make it really obvious some of the old timers on here can still see it without their bifocals



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    hey bro im totally with you man, ive done my research also after the whole 9/11 and i do believe our gov. is not for the american people. the whole NWO issue and Bilderburg group are real and they know what they are doing. keep ya head up man.
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    hey bro im totally with you man, ive done my research also after the whole 9/11 and i do believe our gov. is not for the american people. the whole NWO issue and Bilderburg group are real and they know what they are doing. keep ya head up man.
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