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Quote Originally Posted by Sharkysden:


I don't know why you keep on bringing up that game when 67% of the public was on Green Bay with the spread and 66% was on Minnesota and the money line.  Of course they're going to move the line  down 

Now, I do agree with you that the books open inflated lines and sometimes want action on one side.   


heres a newsflash sparky, if you believe all those bullshit numbers your seeing, then you are nothing more then a square yourself.


If you really believe that 67 percent of the people were betting on minny vs the packers, your totally hopeless.
You keep believing those sucker numbers, while the books laugh all the way to the bank
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:

This also happens in baseball with the Red Sox and Yankees, for example the Yankees will be favoured -180 and two hours before the game starts they will move the line down to -170, down to -160, -150 making you scratch your head thinking that there has been a key injury or something and end up not playing the Yankees due to that fact..then 3 hours later the Yankees will have ended up winning 15-2 against the Oakland Athletics. That situation has happened so many times i have lost count and as cd329 mentioned its a tool used to drive away Yankee bettors because it works when i was new to gambling if i saw a line move before a game i would jump on the underdog thinking i had found a gold mine but after the game would be a different outcome.

They only do this trick with ELITE sports teams, In the NBA the Lakers get this reverse line movement, NFL which ever team is currently hot during that year gets it i.e. the Packers this year...i remember the Colts getting this reverse line movement before game time a lot not this year obviously.  

Bookmakers use everything in there power to make money and if that means moving a line before game time to scare bettors away from a public team you dont think they would do that???

Final thing, To people who think bookmakers only want 50-50 action  you're living in a cuckoo land, if they wanted only 50-50 action then how comes there are 5/6 teams each week getting 65 % + action bet on them, are they that bad at getting 50-50 action???????????? Lol no way, its because bookmakers have opinions as well, they take risks as well. 


very refreshing to see another person smart enough to see thru the tricks the books plays

Back before the internet, when lines moved, those are the ones that would win. The books werent playing around with lines then.
Now with the internet and people paying for line services, the books will use every trick in the book to fool bettors.

They even go as far as having people post on websites, that billy walters just hit a game.  yeah okay
In fact they did it the other day with detriot. They start dropping line and then rumors start coming out its because walters was on detriot.

Swiss, dont try to educate guys like sparky, they can never grasp this kind of stuff
 
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If you want to know the real truth about how much money is being bet on games and whos betting them, then you need to find yourself a connection in a sportsbook, following all these bullshit fake sites like sports insights, will just send you to the poorhouse.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:



heres a newsflash sparky, if you believe all those bullshit numbers your seeing, then you are nothing more then a square yourself.


If you really believe that 67 percent of the people were betting on minny vs the packers, your totally hopeless.
You keep believing those sucker numbers, while the books laugh all the way to the bank

actually I just looked it up before I posted that, I could care less where the line moves unless I have interest in the game.   You're the one that's preaching the "double reverse trap play action line move"  

Where do you get this ridiculous information?  Because I'm pretty sure you're just preaching a theory here, kind of like when guy's preach the game is fixed when they're on the wrong side.  

Prove it, show us all where this comes from.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

I'd venture to say that most of the time when a line moves a lot it's just public steam.Which sometimes includes smart money. No such thing as fake moves by Vegas.As i said, they simply dont have to do that. Now if proof exists that they do i'd like to see it. 

Thank you 

I'd like to see proof that this double reverse play action fake line move exists.  
 
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Just pick winners. Pretty simple.
 
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Reverse line movement isn't the line moving in the opposite direction of the majority of wagers, although it appears to be.

It is simply the betting markets adjusting their lines before betting %'s do which are not in real time ( and which are in dispute as to whether they are cash based or based on the the # of bets placed on a side).

Some pretty reputable sportsbook managers on twitter (@toddfuhrman is one), who you can speak with directly, will tell you they'd never want that kind of exposure on one side, no matter what the game (that is, more of the public on a favorable line they are already pounding). 

The line movement in the opposite direction of what appears to be the public play, is likely a sharp or sports syndicate runner moving the line with a sizable bet that the books take note of.
 
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https://pregame.com/p/sportsbook-spy.aspx?sport=

here sparky enjoy your reverse line movement plays
1-9 so far today
Like i tried to explain to you guys and some here get it, the numbers you see on all these sites are all bogus. 65 percent on this team 75 percent on that team , 92 percent on that team all total made up bullshit.
I wish i could book all you squares that bet these reverse line movement crap plays,i would be friggin rich
 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Reverse line movement isn't the line moving in the opposite direction of the majority of wagers, although it appears to be.

It is simply the betting markets adjusting their lines before betting %'s do which are not in real time ( and which are in dispute as to whether they are cash based or based on the the # of bets placed on a side).

Some pretty reputable sportsbook managers on twitter (@toddfuhrman is one), who you can speak with directly, will tell you they'd never want that kind of exposure on one side, no matter what the game (that is, more of the public on a favorable line they are already pounding). 

The line movement in the opposite direction of what appears to be the public play, is likely a sharp or sports syndicate runner moving the line with a sizable bet that the books take note of.


Only thing am gonna say about this post is.
I doubt it very much any sportsbook manager on twitter is going to tell you the inter workings of how the sportsbooks operate. That really is quite silly if you believe that.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

https://pregame.com/p/sportsbook-spy.aspx?sport=

here sparky enjoy your reverse line movement plays
1-9 so far today
Like i tried to explain to you guys and some here get it, the numbers you see on all these sites are all bogus. 65 percent on this team 75 percent on that team , 92 percent on that team all total made up bullshit.
I wish i could book all you squares that bet these reverse line movement crap plays,i would be friggin rich

Uh yeah like I told you before I don't give a shit about line movements unless it's a game Iike, and I want the best line.  

where's the info about the double action reverse play action fake line moves that the books put out?  Show me that.  We're all waiting.........
 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

https://pregame.com/p/sportsbook-spy.aspx?sport=

here sparky enjoy your reverse line movement plays
1-9 so far today
Like i tried to explain to you guys and some here get it, the numbers you see on all these sites are all bogus. 65 percent on this team 75 percent on that team , 92 percent on that team all total made up bullshit.
I wish i could book all you squares that bet these reverse line movement crap plays,i would be friggin rich
I pay zero attention to any # other than the line itself. I'm not even sure if i know what reverse line movement is. LOL
 
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This thread is hilarious.




Fake line movements, jesus christ.
 
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i follow rlm very closely.  i think you need to pick and choose which games to play.  this is what i played today:

syracuse +1 loser

under smu/rice 52 1/2 winner

kentucky +5 1/2 winner outright

wake forest loser

under missouri/kansas winner

over duke/unc winner

over baylor 81 1/2 (pending)

i had as leans but scratched them as plays:

troy loser

fla atl winner outright (really loved this game but couldnt bet a 0-10 team)

 

so far 4-2 for the day.  it does not work every week and you need to pick and choose your spots.  so far as leans for nfl i have:

over indy/carolina 47

over tenn/tb 43

under sd/den 41 1/2

these are just leans and could change by tomorrow.  i have learned if you follow line moves, you NEED to wait till the last minute to place your bet.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by broncofn:

i follow rlm very closely.  i think you need to pick and choose which games to play.  this is what i played today:

syracuse +1 loser

under smu/rice 52 1/2 winner

kentucky +5 1/2 winner outright

wake forest loser

under missouri/kansas winner

over duke/unc winner

over baylor 81 1/2 (pending)

i had as leans but scratched them as plays:

troy loser

fla atl winner outright (really loved this game but couldnt bet a 0-10 team)

 

so far 4-2 for the day.  it does not work every week and you need to pick and choose your spots.  so far as leans for nfl i have:

over indy/carolina 47

over tenn/tb 43

under sd/den 41 1/2

these are just leans and could change by tomorrow.  i have learned if you follow line moves, you NEED to wait till the last minute to place your bet.



please your just trying to sugar coat a bunch of a bullshit. The reverse line moves i posted went 1-9 early on. read the chart yourself.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

This thread is hilarious.




Fake line movements, jesus christ.


yes genius, its designed to mess with the line followers, but hey dont believe it doesnt happen.  Point shaving doesnt happen, refs dont cheat, ETC ETC
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sharkysden:


Uh yeah like I told you before I don't give a shit about line movements unless it's a game Iike, and I want the best line.  

where's the info about the double action reverse play action fake line moves that the books put out?  Show me that.  We're all waiting.........


listen you failed tout, there is no chart for that. Its something you have to learn after years of gambling, but the next time i see a good false line move, i will post it for you.  then maybe you can learn something.
At least there was a few sharp guys in this thread, who understand whats really happening
 
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listen you failed tout, there is no chart for that. Its something you have to learn after years of gambling, but the next time i see a good false line move, i will post it for you.  then maybe you can learn something.
At least there was a few sharp guys in this thread, who understand whats really happening

Oh gee thanks for posting one!  Earlier in this thread you told me to read up on it, I guess there is nothing to read.  

What you have is a theory, think it through before you defend it.  If a book is taking all action from average gamblers then why would they move the line to make it more appealing?   

The majority of the public doesn't even know what a reverse line move is.  Hell there was one guy in this thread that didn't know.   

I think you're thinking to much.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:



listen you failed tout, there is no chart for that. Its something you have to learn after years of gambling, but the next time i see a good false line move, i will post it for you.  then maybe you can learn something.
At least there was a few sharp guys in this thread, who understand whats really happening


Yes there was one in particular who knows what he's taking about as he's in the business for a living and I'd assume he's been for at least a decade and he has already laughed you and your foolishness off.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Reverse line movement isn't the line moving in the opposite direction of the majority of wagers, although it appears to be.

It is simply the betting markets adjusting their lines before betting %'s do which are not in real time ( and which are in dispute as to whether they are cash based or based on the the # of bets placed on a side).
 
 
Only one who made sense. The rest of you don't know your record from a week ago, let alone a year ago.
Some pretty reputable sportsbook managers on twitter (@toddfuhrman is one), who you can speak with directly, will tell you they'd never want that kind of exposure on one side, no matter what the game (that is, more of the public on a favorable line they are already pounding). 

The line movement in the opposite direction of what appears to be the public play, is likely a sharp or sports syndicate runner moving the line with a sizable bet that the books take note of.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

Reverse line movement isn't the line moving in the opposite direction of the majority of wagers, although it appears to be.

It is simply the betting markets adjusting their lines before betting %'s do which are not in real time ( and which are in dispute as to whether they are cash based or based on the the # of bets placed on a side).

Some pretty reputable sportsbook managers on twitter (@toddfuhrman is one), who you can speak with directly, will tell you they'd never want that kind of exposure on one side, no matter what the game (that is, more of the public on a favorable line they are already pounding). 

The line movement in the opposite direction of what appears to be the public play, is likely a sharp or sports syndicate runner moving the line with a sizable bet that the books take note of.

 

My bad.

 

Scal is the only one who made sense. The rest of you have no clue what your record was a week ago, let alone a year ago.

If you bet into a reverse line move you are going to have the opposite result of the house. Most of you don't understand the fundementals of what the house is. They are just the middle man taking their cut. In the end you are just losing to me because I know and understand more.

 
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Billy Walter does not hit every game. Just because the Lions lost does not mean that he was not on them.
Remember in that game, the Lions had the champs on the ropes early. They just could not punch it in. There is a strong chance Walters was on the losers, I doubt he wins every game.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by pjrez:

With Green Bay as with Houston yesterday, I believe lots of players were waiting on a bigger number.  7 with Detroit and 3.5 maybe with Tulsa.  When it became obvious that wasn't going to happen, money poured in on the dog.  Just my opinion.


Good point, this is exactly what I did. I thought the public would be on the Packers and I viewed 6 as suspect. My personal- in my head line was 7.5-
When the line started to drop, I took it as a sign and plunged too much.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sharkysden:


Oh gee thanks for posting one!  Earlier in this thread you told me to read up on it, I guess there is nothing to read.  

What you have is a theory, think it through before you defend it.  If a book is taking all action from average gamblers then why would they move the line to make it more appealing?   

The majority of the public doesn't even know what a reverse line move is.  Hell there was one guy in this thread that didn't know.   

I think you're thinking to much.  


wow you are clueless. am talking about false line moves, not reverse line movements.
heres an example and maybe then you can grasp it.

lets say team A is playing team b.  Team a is a 14 point fav and the real sharps are playing them and of course the public is probably playing team to begin with, just for the simple fact that they are the favorite. So instead of the book moving the line up and then probably having even more bettors hit team A because they think sharp money might be hitting it, they actually lower the line down to -13 and then all the line watchers{who bet lots of money} and people on the messageboards start thinking the real sharps are hitting team B, when in fact they were hitting team A.  So now money comes in on team B, which helps balance their books and of course team A crushes team b.  That is what a fake move looks like and if you dont think it happens you should quit gambling tonight.
what do i know, am not a bigtime tout like you.
I wish i would just wait for these type of plays to come up, they come in at a pretty good rate.



 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:



please your just trying to sugar coat a bunch of a bullshit. The reverse line moves i posted went 1-9 early on. read the chart yourself.

 

what am i trying to sugar coat???  an over of 81 1/2 already hit with still the 4th quarter to play douche!!!  look where the line opened with percentage of bets and look where it closed.  that is rlm and it already won, point made asshole!!! 4-0 on over under alone and a 5-2 day douche

 
 
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Yes there was one in particular who knows what he's taking about as he's in the business for a living and I'd assume he's been for at least a decade and he has already laughed you and your foolishness off.




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