Religion??? WTF

Quote Originally Posted by sgarhs1:



Club, as I said before I was doing a few things as I was typing and didn't proof read,  it should have said Plenty of people said they had.  Ex, people who been pronounced dead and able to revive.  Now I read many stories and I definately don't believe them all, but I do believe some are true.  Sorry for the confusion

no problem, i wasn't sure where you were coming from with this. 

wow, seems like a great guy doesn't he? i bet if we have a purpose in life and if we don't whats the point? but if we do, i feel the purpose would be to not act like this, you are clearly lost

It's not ideas....it's beliefs.   At least you should get that right.  And for those that don't believe in God, their answer is that they don't believe in God.  My answer is I don't know.  But either way, they are both answers.  Don't pretend that they aren't. 

A scenario I'd like some opinions on:

Person A:  Troubled kid in high school.  Convicted of stealing a car as a senior.  Never went to college.   Raped an underage girl when he was 22.....served 5 years hard time.  Was released and then convicted of selling drugs 2 years later.   Served 1 year.  Got out and then was convicted of murdering a person because he would not give him his wallet.  He is convicted and serves 25 years. 

While in prison, he finds God.  He emerges as a 55 year old converted man.  He loves God.  He has repented. 

Meanwhile, we have Person B: 

This person loves mankind.  He always felt that it was right to give to others.  He volunteers regularly spending time with the elderly at a nursing home.  He is a member of big brother/big sister.  He contributes $1,000 a year to the American Cancer Society.   He pays his bills on time and loves life.  He is walking down the street as a happy 29 year old when Person A comes up to him, demands his wallet, and shoots him when he doesn't give it to him.

By definition, Person A and Person B either have to go to heaven or hell.  There is no other option for those that believe in both.

Who goes where?  Does Person A get into heaven because he has repented?   Person B can obviously not get into heaven because he doesn't believe in God. 

According to the religious, Person A could get into heaven because he has repented (see your clostest clergy).  Person B has no chance. 

Who is more entitled?   I'd say Person B because they believed in living the right life.  But God apparently will banish the person to hell because that person didn't believe in Him?  C'mon people...how fuked up is that?

the funny thing is that when we are born our minds are clear of everything and we learn and grow up preaching what we are taught. 

So, lets say for instance the bible said a 20 foot penis with red hair was "god"...is that what everyone would believe in?

What if there was no bible?...then what would be everyones views on religion and god?

just something to think about.  For all we know, the bible is just a made up book to get everyones hopes up for when we die.  After all, its just a book.

By the way, for the person who is banished to hell by God because of the evil they did (let's say they committed murder), why would the devil want to make them burn?  The devil equals evil and I would think that he would want him on his side.  If that's the case, why burn that person?

If the devil exists and loves evil, he would welcome and love evil people to his kingdom and ask him to do his dirty work. 

How can you banish a person to a place that would welcome them?

You don't read the bible!

After Satan has his reign here on Earth, Jesus will destroy him and toss him into the fiery pit, along with all the non-believers.

I am scared that you probably get to vote. 

Person B hasn't reached the age of accountability?  What is that age?  So a 16 year old that shoots up a school gets a free pass?  Wow. 

Why is He waiting?  Does he like to torture us? 

He let 50 million people die in WWII.  Yet when he chooses, he can appear and toss the devil into the fiery pit?  THAT'S WHERE HE LIVES WITH THE EVIL PEOPLE....HE WILL LOVE THAT.  SO WILL THE EVIL PEOPLE.  So his fiery pit is worse then the devil's fiery pit?

we countinue to try to put god in a box....

age of accountability has nothing to do with how old you are, wow this is basic stuff

If there is a Divine being that created everything, you don't think he would be able to figure it out?

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No, I would think that he would be able to figure it out.  What has He figured out?  Tell me one thing that He has figured out.

all things

So Jesus will take Satan and throw him into the very place he loves?  Now that is funny. 

How are we putting God in a box?  I just have some questions....none of which you have answered. 

Then list them.  It should be fairly easy.

Hutch if you have your own ideas or beliefs that's your business but to try to talk about a book you haven't read, it's like 1,000 pages we will be here all day with the basics.......

according to the book we are debating.......

Satan doesn't like hell, doesn't want to be there

you want me to list all things? wow that would take a long time, i've answered all of your questions, it's just not the answer you want to hear