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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 7:55 PM ET #1201

    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




    There is evidence for the big bang. Noble prize winning evidence btw.  Not that it matters though because the big bang is true regardless if there is a God or not. Science has proved that man has evolved from ape like ancestors. There is DNA evidence for that. Again that is true if God exists or not.

    And do you mind telling me what theory goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things? Because I have a feeling you did nothing more than read that of a creationist website.


    yeah sure, but what caused the big bang? How did all the energy and matter come into the point of singulairty causing the big bang from nothing? Oh, it was just there......

    Without time, there is no bang, so how did time come into ecistence. It was anything but God huh?

    Oh, evolution? Proof? Interesting, It is called evolution THEORY.

    You know what that means? They have no evidence. It is a theory. You are mocking us believers yet at the same time you believe something that has no proof? You fool.

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    There is evidence for the big bang. Noble prize winning evidence btw.  Not that it matters though because the big bang is true regardless if there is a God or not. Science has proved that man has evolved from ape like ancestors. There is DNA evidence for that. Again that is true if God exists or not.

    And do you mind telling me what theory goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things? Because I have a feeling you did nothing more than read that of a creationist website.


    yeah sure, but what caused the big bang? How did all the energy and matter come into the point of singulairty causing the big bang from nothing? Oh, it was just there......

    Without time, there is no bang, so how did time come into ecistence. It was anything but God huh?

    Oh, evolution? Proof? Interesting, It is called evolution THEORY.

    You know what that means? They have no evidence. It is a theory. You are mocking us believers yet at the same time you believe something that has no proof? You fool.

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 8:49 PM ET #1202

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    yeah sure, but what caused the big bang? How did all the energy and matter come into the point of singulairty causing the big bang from nothing? Oh, it was just there......

    Without time, there is no bang, so how did time come into ecistence. It was anything but God huh?

    Oh, evolution? Proof? Interesting, It is called evolution THEORY.

    You know what that means? They have no evidence. It is a theory. You are mocking us believers yet at the same time you believe something that has no proof? You fool.



    Currently what caused the big bang is unknown to my knowledge. (This is where you plug in God did it) However if you don't accept the big bang happened, then explain microwave background radiation (Google it) without using the big bang model. Good luck.


    Do you know what a scientific theory is? Have you ever looked it up? The word theory in science does not have the same meaning it does in everyday language.

    https://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm

    A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

    Example: It is known that on June 30, 1908 in Tunguska, Siberia, there was an explosion equivalent to the detonation of about 15 million tons of TNT. Many hypotheses have been proposed for what caused the explosion. It is theorized that the explosion was caused by a natural extraterrestrial phenomenon, and was not caused by man. Is this theory a fact? No. The event is a recorded fact. Is this this theory generally accepted to be true, based on evidence to-date? Yes. Can this theory be shown to be false and be discarded? Yes.


    In science theories explain observed phenomena. By your logic you could say that gravity is just a theory as well as germ theory and atomic theory. Of course none of those threaten your sacred fables so you leave them alone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    yeah sure, but what caused the big bang? How did all the energy and matter come into the point of singulairty causing the big bang from nothing? Oh, it was just there......

    Without time, there is no bang, so how did time come into ecistence. It was anything but God huh?

    Oh, evolution? Proof? Interesting, It is called evolution THEORY.

    You know what that means? They have no evidence. It is a theory. You are mocking us believers yet at the same time you believe something that has no proof? You fool.



    Currently what caused the big bang is unknown to my knowledge. (This is where you plug in God did it) However if you don't accept the big bang happened, then explain microwave background radiation (Google it) without using the big bang model. Good luck.


    Do you know what a scientific theory is? Have you ever looked it up? The word theory in science does not have the same meaning it does in everyday language.

    https://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm

    A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

    Example: It is known that on June 30, 1908 in Tunguska, Siberia, there was an explosion equivalent to the detonation of about 15 million tons of TNT. Many hypotheses have been proposed for what caused the explosion. It is theorized that the explosion was caused by a natural extraterrestrial phenomenon, and was not caused by man. Is this theory a fact? No. The event is a recorded fact. Is this this theory generally accepted to be true, based on evidence to-date? Yes. Can this theory be shown to be false and be discarded? Yes.


    In science theories explain observed phenomena. By your logic you could say that gravity is just a theory as well as germ theory and atomic theory. Of course none of those threaten your sacred fables so you leave them alone.


     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 8:59 PM ET #1203

    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

    LOL God puts Satan in the garden with the purpose of tricking them into eating the fruit then gets pissed when he succeeds. Hilarious.

    The story about the Garden of Eden is a whole lot more believable than the story you put out that scientists proved we humans evolved from ape-like creatures...lol

    When I look at myself in the mirror the reflection I see is an image and a likeness of God.

    After all God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    But hey, maybe when you look in the mirror, the relection you see is an image a likeness like ape-like creatures...lol   huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!

    So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. ---Genesis 1:27

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

    LOL God puts Satan in the garden with the purpose of tricking them into eating the fruit then gets pissed when he succeeds. Hilarious.

    The story about the Garden of Eden is a whole lot more believable than the story you put out that scientists proved we humans evolved from ape-like creatures...lol

    When I look at myself in the mirror the reflection I see is an image and a likeness of God.

    After all God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    But hey, maybe when you look in the mirror, the relection you see is an image a likeness like ape-like creatures...lol   huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!

    So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. ---Genesis 1:27

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 9:06 PM ET #1204

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The story about the Garden of Eden is a whole lot more believable than the story you put out that scientists proved we humans evolved from ape-like creatures...lol

    When I look at myself in the mirror the reflection I see is an image and a likeness of God.

    After all God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    But hey, maybe when you look in the mirror, the relection you see is an image a likeness like ape-like creatures...lol   huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!

    So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. ---Genesis 1:27

     


    You see an image and reflection of God? How can invisible beings have a image and reflection???

    Like i stated before, show me just one anatomical feature of an ape that you don't have yourself and you will change my mind.

    After all God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    So do you mind telling me "how" these "gods" created men in their image. Let me try to understand your position here.

    1. Dirt
    2.????
    3. Man

    How did God make dirt into a living breathing human being at once with no intermediate steps? I've asked dozens of people this and I can't get one answer.

    The first man, Adam, if genesis is true would have had no nipples, testicles or navel. He simply would have no need for them. Then after a few days, God sees other animals walking around, male and female then comes upon a great idea that he should make a female mate for Adam? Really is God that stupid? To bad for you Genesis was never meant to be a literal account of history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The story about the Garden of Eden is a whole lot more believable than the story you put out that scientists proved we humans evolved from ape-like creatures...lol

    When I look at myself in the mirror the reflection I see is an image and a likeness of God.

    After all God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    But hey, maybe when you look in the mirror, the relection you see is an image a likeness like ape-like creatures...lol   huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!

    So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. ---Genesis 1:27

     


    You see an image and reflection of God? How can invisible beings have a image and reflection???

    Like i stated before, show me just one anatomical feature of an ape that you don't have yourself and you will change my mind.

    After all God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    So do you mind telling me "how" these "gods" created men in their image. Let me try to understand your position here.

    1. Dirt
    2.????
    3. Man

    How did God make dirt into a living breathing human being at once with no intermediate steps? I've asked dozens of people this and I can't get one answer.

    The first man, Adam, if genesis is true would have had no nipples, testicles or navel. He simply would have no need for them. Then after a few days, God sees other animals walking around, male and female then comes upon a great idea that he should make a female mate for Adam? Really is God that stupid? To bad for you Genesis was never meant to be a literal account of history.

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 9:20 PM ET #1205

    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



    Currently what caused the big bang is unknown to my knowledge. (This is where you plug in God did it) However if you don't accept the big bang happened, then explain microwave background radiation (Google it) without using the big bang model. Good luck.


    Do you know what a scientific theory is? Have you ever looked it up? The word theory in science does not have the same meaning it does in everyday language.

    https://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm

    A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

    Example: It is known that on June 30, 1908 in Tunguska, Siberia, there was an explosion equivalent to the detonation of about 15 million tons of TNT. Many hypotheses have been proposed for what caused the explosion. It is theorized that the explosion was caused by a natural extraterrestrial phenomenon, and was not caused by man. Is this theory a fact? No. The event is a recorded fact. Is this this theory generally accepted to be true, based on evidence to-date? Yes. Can this theory be shown to be false and be discarded? Yes.


    In science theories explain observed phenomena. By your logic you could say that gravity is just a theory as well as germ theory and atomic theory. Of course none of those threaten your sacred fables so you leave them alone.


    Prior to the big bang, there was NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA.

    When the big bang occured, space, time and matter began to exist.

    Therefore the cause has to be outside of space, time and matter (unless you believe something can come from nothing),

    This is where the atheis (naturilist) gets cornered, because the atheist ONLY believes in the natural world, nothing outside it.

    The more plausible explanation is that something cant come from nothing therefore the cause of the big bang must be something outside the natural world or you continue to believe something can come from nothing. aloso remember, you cant go to an infinite regress,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



    Currently what caused the big bang is unknown to my knowledge. (This is where you plug in God did it) However if you don't accept the big bang happened, then explain microwave background radiation (Google it) without using the big bang model. Good luck.


    Do you know what a scientific theory is? Have you ever looked it up? The word theory in science does not have the same meaning it does in everyday language.

    https://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm

    A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

    Example: It is known that on June 30, 1908 in Tunguska, Siberia, there was an explosion equivalent to the detonation of about 15 million tons of TNT. Many hypotheses have been proposed for what caused the explosion. It is theorized that the explosion was caused by a natural extraterrestrial phenomenon, and was not caused by man. Is this theory a fact? No. The event is a recorded fact. Is this this theory generally accepted to be true, based on evidence to-date? Yes. Can this theory be shown to be false and be discarded? Yes.


    In science theories explain observed phenomena. By your logic you could say that gravity is just a theory as well as germ theory and atomic theory. Of course none of those threaten your sacred fables so you leave them alone.


    Prior to the big bang, there was NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA.

    When the big bang occured, space, time and matter began to exist.

    Therefore the cause has to be outside of space, time and matter (unless you believe something can come from nothing),

    This is where the atheis (naturilist) gets cornered, because the atheist ONLY believes in the natural world, nothing outside it.

    The more plausible explanation is that something cant come from nothing therefore the cause of the big bang must be something outside the natural world or you continue to believe something can come from nothing. aloso remember, you cant go to an infinite regress,

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 9:28 PM ET #1206

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Prior to the big bang, there was NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA.

    When the big bang occured, space, time and matter began to exist.

    Therefore the cause has to be outside of space, time and matter (unless you believe something can come from nothing),

    This is where the atheis (naturilist) gets cornered, because the atheist ONLY believes in the natural world, nothing outside it.

    The more plausible explanation is that something cant come from nothing therefore the cause of the big bang must be something outside the natural world or you continue to believe something can come from nothing. aloso remember, you cant go to an infinite regress,



    I'd like you to site an academic source that says there was literally nothing before the bb. Not a creationist website, an academic or peer reviewed article only.

    I also have nothing against something being outside of the natural world. If there is, you better be damn sure I want to know about it.

     What I don't accept is what you (Christians) are claiming what is or maybe out side of the natural world or what is responsible for existence at all. I don't believe that whatever it is one day decided to come to earth (instead of any other of the trillions of planets) dressed up as a human because two people ate from a tree that he put there with the intention of them eating from it. Then will punish you forever because you didn't believe the stories written about it in a book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Prior to the big bang, there was NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA.

    When the big bang occured, space, time and matter began to exist.

    Therefore the cause has to be outside of space, time and matter (unless you believe something can come from nothing),

    This is where the atheis (naturilist) gets cornered, because the atheist ONLY believes in the natural world, nothing outside it.

    The more plausible explanation is that something cant come from nothing therefore the cause of the big bang must be something outside the natural world or you continue to believe something can come from nothing. aloso remember, you cant go to an infinite regress,



    I'd like you to site an academic source that says there was literally nothing before the bb. Not a creationist website, an academic or peer reviewed article only.

    I also have nothing against something being outside of the natural world. If there is, you better be damn sure I want to know about it.

     What I don't accept is what you (Christians) are claiming what is or maybe out side of the natural world or what is responsible for existence at all. I don't believe that whatever it is one day decided to come to earth (instead of any other of the trillions of planets) dressed up as a human because two people ate from a tree that he put there with the intention of them eating from it. Then will punish you forever because you didn't believe the stories written about it in a book.
     
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    And let me reiterate to you br mrgetrich, that false statement you made in post 1177 is not true because they haven't proven anything because it is just a theory...you know... the theory of evolution.

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    And let me reiterate to you br mrgetrich, that false statement you made in post 1177 is not true because they haven't proven anything because it is just a theory...you know... the theory of evolution.

    The wicked are trapped by their own words, but the godly escape such trouble. ---Proverbs 12:13

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    And let me reiterate to you br mrgetrich, that false statement you made in post 1177 is not true because they haven't proven anything because it is just a theory...you know... the theory of evolution

     


    In science, theories explain facts. What is so hard to understand about that? So by your logic (again) the theory of gravity doesn't explain why things don't float into outer space, germ theory doesn't explain why people get sick. After all they are just theories. Am i correct?




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    And let me reiterate to you br mrgetrich, that false statement you made in post 1177 is not true because they haven't proven anything because it is just a theory...you know... the theory of evolution

     


    In science, theories explain facts. What is so hard to understand about that? So by your logic (again) the theory of gravity doesn't explain why things don't float into outer space, germ theory doesn't explain why people get sick. After all they are just theories. Am i correct?




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The story about the Garden of Eden is a whole lot more believable than the story you put out that scientists proved we humans evolved from ape-like creatures...lol

    When I look at myself in the mirror the reflection I see is an image and a likeness of God.

    After all God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    But hey, maybe when you look in the mirror, the relection you see is an image a likeness like ape-like creatures...lol   huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!

    So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. ---Genesis 1:27

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    If God created man from dust, why do we still have dust?

     

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    The story about the Garden of Eden is a whole lot more believable than the story you put out that scientists proved we humans evolved from ape-like creatures...lol

    When I look at myself in the mirror the reflection I see is an image and a likeness of God.

    After all God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    But hey, maybe when you look in the mirror, the relection you see is an image a likeness like ape-like creatures...lol   huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!...huhuhaha!

    So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. ---Genesis 1:27

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     

    If God created man from dust, why do we still have dust?

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I know deep down that you know it is absolutely wrong for anyone to rape and murder little children. You know it. However to save face you are saying no....

    Thats all.

    I love it.

    Moe asks a question, 3 people respond to it - but he refuses to accept the answer.

    So ridiculous.

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    I know deep down that you know it is absolutely wrong for anyone to rape and murder little children. You know it. However to save face you are saying no....

    Thats all.

    I love it.

    Moe asks a question, 3 people respond to it - but he refuses to accept the answer.

    So ridiculous.

     
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    Hey sirjohn...I'm still waiting for an explanation of man. Let's review what the bible says.

    1. Dirt (or clay)
    2. ????? (unknown process)
    3. Man

    What was step two? Thanks.


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    Hey sirjohn...I'm still waiting for an explanation of man. Let's review what the bible says.

    1. Dirt (or clay)
    2. ????? (unknown process)
    3. Man

    What was step two? Thanks.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    But apparently the only people in this world who have faith are the people who believe in God. Faith is for dumb people apparently.

    Apparently KittyKatz and Vaznack dont have faith and dont need it. When they hop on a plane, they have material 100% evidence and proof that the plane isnt gonna crash.

    Furthermore, when they get married (if they arent already), at the time of getting married, they have proof and material evidence that they are going to stay with there partners till one of them dies. They have proof, otherwise they wouldnt have got married.

    Moe -

    You cant be this dumb.

    I will say it for the 1000 time in this thread alone:

    1.  We do not have evidence that is 100% that the plane wont crash.
    2.  We also do not have faith that the plane wont crash.

    We accept the probability of flying, and our desire to fly somewhere is greater than our assigned probability of crashing.

    Jeesh.  Read it again if you have to - but please - for sanity's sake - dont repeat your insanity again.  If you disagree fine, but dont post words for us again. 

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    But apparently the only people in this world who have faith are the people who believe in God. Faith is for dumb people apparently.

    Apparently KittyKatz and Vaznack dont have faith and dont need it. When they hop on a plane, they have material 100% evidence and proof that the plane isnt gonna crash.

    Furthermore, when they get married (if they arent already), at the time of getting married, they have proof and material evidence that they are going to stay with there partners till one of them dies. They have proof, otherwise they wouldnt have got married.

    Moe -

    You cant be this dumb.

    I will say it for the 1000 time in this thread alone:

    1.  We do not have evidence that is 100% that the plane wont crash.
    2.  We also do not have faith that the plane wont crash.

    We accept the probability of flying, and our desire to fly somewhere is greater than our assigned probability of crashing.

    Jeesh.  Read it again if you have to - but please - for sanity's sake - dont repeat your insanity again.  If you disagree fine, but dont post words for us again. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

    Hey sirjohn...I'm still waiting for an explanation of man. Let's review what the bible says.

    1. Dirt (or clay)
    2. ????? (unknown process)
    3. Man

    What was step two? Thanks.


    And why do we still have dirt?

    (obvious irony because christians favorite comeback to evolution is "if we can from apes, why are there still apes?)

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    Hey sirjohn...I'm still waiting for an explanation of man. Let's review what the bible says.

    1. Dirt (or clay)
    2. ????? (unknown process)
    3. Man

    What was step two? Thanks.


    And why do we still have dirt?

    (obvious irony because christians favorite comeback to evolution is "if we can from apes, why are there still apes?)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    And why do we still have dirt?

    (obvious irony because christians favorite comeback to evolution is "if we can from apes, why are there still apes?)



    Yes, and they will ask you what question with a smirk because they think it can't be answered. When you answer the question, they change the subject without acknowledging  the answer.
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    And why do we still have dirt?

    (obvious irony because christians favorite comeback to evolution is "if we can from apes, why are there still apes?)



    Yes, and they will ask you what question with a smirk because they think it can't be answered. When you answer the question, they change the subject without acknowledging  the answer.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:


    In science, theories explain facts. What is so hard to understand about that? So by your logic (again) the theory of gravity doesn't explain why things don't float into outer space, germ theory doesn't explain why people get sick. After all they are just theories. Am i correct?




    Look, all I'm saying if you want to believe you evolved from ape-like creatures go right ahead.

    I'm sticking to my belief that I was created by God, in his image, in his likeness.

    Debating is senseless because it's impossible to prove who is right....okay?

    I believe the Holy Bible more than atheist scientists, well you know not all scientist are atheist but a whole lot of them are!

    God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

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    In science, theories explain facts. What is so hard to understand about that? So by your logic (again) the theory of gravity doesn't explain why things don't float into outer space, germ theory doesn't explain why people get sick. After all they are just theories. Am i correct?




    Look, all I'm saying if you want to believe you evolved from ape-like creatures go right ahead.

    I'm sticking to my belief that I was created by God, in his image, in his likeness.

    Debating is senseless because it's impossible to prove who is right....okay?

    I believe the Holy Bible more than atheist scientists, well you know not all scientist are atheist but a whole lot of them are!

    God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Look, all I'm saying if you want to believe you evolved from ape-like creatures go right ahead.

    I'm sticking to my belief that I was created by God, in his image, in his likeness.

    Debating is senseless because it's impossible to prove who is right....okay?

    I believe the Holy Bible more than atheist scientists, well you know not all scientist are atheist but a whole lot of them are!

    God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

    UHHHH....  Larry.....

    Evolution is fact.  It is not a theory.  Sorry.

    Debating is only senseless because you have no sense, and are factually incorrect.

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    Look, all I'm saying if you want to believe you evolved from ape-like creatures go right ahead.

    I'm sticking to my belief that I was created by God, in his image, in his likeness.

    Debating is senseless because it's impossible to prove who is right....okay?

    I believe the Holy Bible more than atheist scientists, well you know not all scientist are atheist but a whole lot of them are!

    God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground." ---Genesis 1:26

    Praise the Lord Almighty!!

    UHHHH....  Larry.....

    Evolution is fact.  It is not a theory.  Sorry.

    Debating is only senseless because you have no sense, and are factually incorrect.

     
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    God didn't say that he used "all" of the earths dust or dirt to make us and from an evolution point on why are there still apes, my understanding was that we are talking about 40 million years ago and it's not 100% the same ape we see today

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    God didn't say that he used "all" of the earths dust or dirt to make us and from an evolution point on why are there still apes, my understanding was that we are talking about 40 million years ago and it's not 100% the same ape we see today

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    God didn't say that he used "all" of the earths dust or dirt to make us and from an evolution point on why are there still apes, my understanding was that we are talking about 40 million years ago and it's not 100% the same ape we see today

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    God didn't say that he used "all" of the earths dust or dirt to make us and from an evolution point on why are there still apes, my understanding was that we are talking about 40 million years ago and it's not 100% the same ape we see today

    I think we have our Shemp!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Look, all I'm saying if you want to believe you evolved from ape-like creatures go right ahead.

    I'm sticking to my belief that I was created by God, in his image, in his likeness.

    Debating is senseless because it's impossible to prove who is right....okay?

    I believe the Holy Bible more than atheist scientists, well you know not all scientist are atheist but a whole lot of them are!




    Wrong, it is possible to show who is right. You just don't like the conclusion that leads to so you need make create the illusion that it's impossible.

    The same DNA techniques that are used to show ancestry between people, mother and children for example, are the same exact techniques used to establish ancestry with humans and other living things. DNA evidence is so strong that it can land someone a death sentence and it can also get someone off death row. You can only reject evolution if you are willing to reject the same things that courts used to free people from death row. The same techniques that establish maternity. Are you really willing to do what?

    I don't understand is why people want to put limits on what a God can or can't do based on writing from human beings that thought stars were smaller than the earth and one day would fall to the ground.


    Finally, quit avoiding my question.

    1. Dirt
    2. ????
    3. Man

    Step two was???
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    Look, all I'm saying if you want to believe you evolved from ape-like creatures go right ahead.

    I'm sticking to my belief that I was created by God, in his image, in his likeness.

    Debating is senseless because it's impossible to prove who is right....okay?

    I believe the Holy Bible more than atheist scientists, well you know not all scientist are atheist but a whole lot of them are!




    Wrong, it is possible to show who is right. You just don't like the conclusion that leads to so you need make create the illusion that it's impossible.

    The same DNA techniques that are used to show ancestry between people, mother and children for example, are the same exact techniques used to establish ancestry with humans and other living things. DNA evidence is so strong that it can land someone a death sentence and it can also get someone off death row. You can only reject evolution if you are willing to reject the same things that courts used to free people from death row. The same techniques that establish maternity. Are you really willing to do what?

    I don't understand is why people want to put limits on what a God can or can't do based on writing from human beings that thought stars were smaller than the earth and one day would fall to the ground.


    Finally, quit avoiding my question.

    1. Dirt
    2. ????
    3. Man

    Step two was???
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    God didn't say that he used "all" of the earths dust or dirt to make us and from an evolution point on why are there still apes, my understanding was that we are talking about 40 million years ago and it's not 100% the same ape we see today



    God didn't say anything, human beings said that. I don't like to think of God as a magician. That's what Genesis does to him. But here's a cool video of what genesis would have really been like had God actually hand anything to do with it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EVMzVQKTk
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    God didn't say that he used "all" of the earths dust or dirt to make us and from an evolution point on why are there still apes, my understanding was that we are talking about 40 million years ago and it's not 100% the same ape we see today



    God didn't say anything, human beings said that. I don't like to think of God as a magician. That's what Genesis does to him. But here's a cool video of what genesis would have really been like had God actually hand anything to do with it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EVMzVQKTk
     
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     shemp 4:21 into it

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

     and from an evolution point on why are there still apes, my understanding was that we are talking about 40 million years ago and it's not 100% the same ape we see today



    You have a grandmother right? Do you have cousins? Why do you have cousins? That's why there are still apes today. All evolution says is that humans and other great apes ancestry goes back to a common "grandmother" species. Over time the different cousin species became isolated from each other and changed genetically.

    Now we do observed that today, two sets of the same species becoming separated from each other and over time when they meet again they are no longer able to breed with each other because they changed genetically . When happens they've become a separate species. That's evolution. 

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     and from an evolution point on why are there still apes, my understanding was that we are talking about 40 million years ago and it's not 100% the same ape we see today



    You have a grandmother right? Do you have cousins? Why do you have cousins? That's why there are still apes today. All evolution says is that humans and other great apes ancestry goes back to a common "grandmother" species. Over time the different cousin species became isolated from each other and changed genetically.

    Now we do observed that today, two sets of the same species becoming separated from each other and over time when they meet again they are no longer able to breed with each other because they changed genetically . When happens they've become a separate species. That's evolution. 

     
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    and geneticaly we would have the same number of chromosomes
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 11 of 23. The Subtle Temptation

    satan subtly went first to the woman. He got to the man through his wife. "and he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods (Hebrew: Elohim, God), knowing good and evil" (verses 1-5).

    The narration here attributes astute subtlety to the devil. First, he discredited God. In effect, he said, "You can't rely on God's word. He said you are mortal and can die. He knows better than that; he knows your minds are so perfect that you can be God."

    It is the prerogative of God alone to determine what is right and what is sin---what is good and what is evil. God has not delegated to man the right or power to decide what is sin---but he comples us to decide whether to sin, or to obey his Law.

    So that all could rightly determine what is good the creative power had to produce and set in motion inexorable spiritual law---a law which automatically causes good if obeyed, and evils when disobeyed!

    Adam and Eve had only God's word that they were mortal and could die. Now satan disputed this. He said they were immortal souls. Whom should they believe? They had no proof, except God's word. But now Satan discredited that, and claimed just the opposite.

    satan said their intellectual powers were so great they could determine for themselves that is good and what is evil. That is a God-prerogative. "You can be God!" said satan.

    Thus satan was appealing to their human vanity. Remember, they had just been created, with perfect human minds. Not God minds---but perfect human minds. They allowed the though to enter their minds that they possessed intellectual powers so great that they could assume the God-prerogative of producing the knowledge of what is good and what is evil!

    Intellectual vanity seized them. They were enthralled, intoxicated with vanity at the grand prospect. How, after all, could they be sure God had told them the truth?

    They say (verse 6)---they used observation---that the forbidden tree was good for food, pleasant to their eyes, and desired to make them wise. Intellectual vanity was stirred. In their vanity they put their trust in human reason. They decided to reject revelation imparted by God, and to make the very first scientific experiment!

    They took the forbidden fruit and ate it.

    They took to themselves the prerogative of deciding what is good, and what is evil. In so doing, they rejected the God-centered way of God's spiritual law, and, rejecting it, of necessity they chose the way that transgresses it.

    They pioneered in deciding for themselves what is right and what is wrong---what is righteousness and what is sin. And humanity has been doing what seems right in it own eyes ever since.

    And how did they do it? They 1) rejected revelation and relied totally on 2) observation, 3) experimentation and 4) human reason. And that is precisely the basic method of reasoning used by modern man!

    And the final result of that experiment? They died! But not before producing the first child delinquent---the first criminal and murderer: Cain, who slew his brothe Abel (Gen. 4:8).

    The most vital dimension of knowledge was missing from their "scientific" procedure!


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    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 11 of 23. The Subtle Temptation

    satan subtly went first to the woman. He got to the man through his wife. "and he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods (Hebrew: Elohim, God), knowing good and evil" (verses 1-5).

    The narration here attributes astute subtlety to the devil. First, he discredited God. In effect, he said, "You can't rely on God's word. He said you are mortal and can die. He knows better than that; he knows your minds are so perfect that you can be God."

    It is the prerogative of God alone to determine what is right and what is sin---what is good and what is evil. God has not delegated to man the right or power to decide what is sin---but he comples us to decide whether to sin, or to obey his Law.

    So that all could rightly determine what is good the creative power had to produce and set in motion inexorable spiritual law---a law which automatically causes good if obeyed, and evils when disobeyed!

    Adam and Eve had only God's word that they were mortal and could die. Now satan disputed this. He said they were immortal souls. Whom should they believe? They had no proof, except God's word. But now Satan discredited that, and claimed just the opposite.

    satan said their intellectual powers were so great they could determine for themselves that is good and what is evil. That is a God-prerogative. "You can be God!" said satan.

    Thus satan was appealing to their human vanity. Remember, they had just been created, with perfect human minds. Not God minds---but perfect human minds. They allowed the though to enter their minds that they possessed intellectual powers so great that they could assume the God-prerogative of producing the knowledge of what is good and what is evil!

    Intellectual vanity seized them. They were enthralled, intoxicated with vanity at the grand prospect. How, after all, could they be sure God had told them the truth?

    They say (verse 6)---they used observation---that the forbidden tree was good for food, pleasant to their eyes, and desired to make them wise. Intellectual vanity was stirred. In their vanity they put their trust in human reason. They decided to reject revelation imparted by God, and to make the very first scientific experiment!

    They took the forbidden fruit and ate it.

    They took to themselves the prerogative of deciding what is good, and what is evil. In so doing, they rejected the God-centered way of God's spiritual law, and, rejecting it, of necessity they chose the way that transgresses it.

    They pioneered in deciding for themselves what is right and what is wrong---what is righteousness and what is sin. And humanity has been doing what seems right in it own eyes ever since.

    And how did they do it? They 1) rejected revelation and relied totally on 2) observation, 3) experimentation and 4) human reason. And that is precisely the basic method of reasoning used by modern man!

    And the final result of that experiment? They died! But not before producing the first child delinquent---the first criminal and murderer: Cain, who slew his brothe Abel (Gen. 4:8).

    The most vital dimension of knowledge was missing from their "scientific" procedure!


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    I go out for an entire day and I miss all this!!!! Ok here goes.

    1. Evolution cannot be debated. It exists. Man comes from ape. Ape comes from something before it (I'm not a scientist). This is fact. A theory is not a hypothesis. Darwin had a hypothesis of evolution. Then he tested his hypothesis over and over and over and over again. He got the same results. Therefore, it became a theory (which is different). A theory is not up for debate. I will not address evolution any further because it is 100% fact.

    2. Rostos likes to intentionally misconstrue arguments. Luckily for me, vanzack already addressed the fact that we don't have nor need 100% material evidence that when we get on a plane, we won't crash.

    3. Rostos likes to talk about infinite regress and something coming from nothing, yet somehow, infinite regress doesn't apply to god. Here we go again with circular logic. What stops the infinite regress? God. But god came from nothing and something can't come from nothing, right? Yes, but that's only in the natural world, not in the spiritual world. How do we know a spiritual world exists? Insert arguments for god here...and repeat process. Please. Stop.

    4. Where did Cain's wife come from?

    5. SJD, actually my harsh language was not directed at you because you acknowledge that you cannot prove god exists, but merely blindly accept it; which somehow is better than what Rostos does.

    6. If SJD is dumb and Rostos is dumber, then boberts is dumberer. Read the parable of the celestial teapot by Bertrand Russell and have a clue about what you are saying before you try and unjustifiably reallocate the burden of proof. It is on you. Always has been. Always will be. I think it's really funny when someone clearly significantly less intelligent than you (a collective "you" describing all intelligent people, so naturally this excludes anyone who believes in god) tries to formulate an argument, but is so far in over his head that he actually argues against himself within his own argument, just fueling the fire on the other side. It's hilarious. A job well done boberts.

    7. The Book of Job. What an asshole god is. He lost his children, possessions, and health? Why? Surely there must be a better way for god to elicit worship from humans. Why not just grant a prayer, seemed to work for the morons who think god made them win the lottery.

    I'll try to be more on top of things tomorrow, I was busy watching Barcelona wax Man U today.
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    I go out for an entire day and I miss all this!!!! Ok here goes.

    1. Evolution cannot be debated. It exists. Man comes from ape. Ape comes from something before it (I'm not a scientist). This is fact. A theory is not a hypothesis. Darwin had a hypothesis of evolution. Then he tested his hypothesis over and over and over and over again. He got the same results. Therefore, it became a theory (which is different). A theory is not up for debate. I will not address evolution any further because it is 100% fact.

    2. Rostos likes to intentionally misconstrue arguments. Luckily for me, vanzack already addressed the fact that we don't have nor need 100% material evidence that when we get on a plane, we won't crash.

    3. Rostos likes to talk about infinite regress and something coming from nothing, yet somehow, infinite regress doesn't apply to god. Here we go again with circular logic. What stops the infinite regress? God. But god came from nothing and something can't come from nothing, right? Yes, but that's only in the natural world, not in the spiritual world. How do we know a spiritual world exists? Insert arguments for god here...and repeat process. Please. Stop.

    4. Where did Cain's wife come from?

    5. SJD, actually my harsh language was not directed at you because you acknowledge that you cannot prove god exists, but merely blindly accept it; which somehow is better than what Rostos does.

    6. If SJD is dumb and Rostos is dumber, then boberts is dumberer. Read the parable of the celestial teapot by Bertrand Russell and have a clue about what you are saying before you try and unjustifiably reallocate the burden of proof. It is on you. Always has been. Always will be. I think it's really funny when someone clearly significantly less intelligent than you (a collective "you" describing all intelligent people, so naturally this excludes anyone who believes in god) tries to formulate an argument, but is so far in over his head that he actually argues against himself within his own argument, just fueling the fire on the other side. It's hilarious. A job well done boberts.

    7. The Book of Job. What an asshole god is. He lost his children, possessions, and health? Why? Surely there must be a better way for god to elicit worship from humans. Why not just grant a prayer, seemed to work for the morons who think god made them win the lottery.

    I'll try to be more on top of things tomorrow, I was busy watching Barcelona wax Man U today.
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