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    MRGETRICH
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 5:00 PM ET #1176

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    but if you can fly or not is something testable, a this isn't, A supernatural discussion like this has to be about why someone believes, obviously environment is a place to start

    science has theories about the creation of man but they can't prove it, same as us not being able to prove God exists.

    the big bang theory is no more testable than the belief of Christianity

    science can't tell us the cure for a cold or how pyramids were built- but wants you to believe a theory that goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things?

    I believe Brunettes are hotter than blonds, can i prove it? no, same idea




    There is evidence for the big bang. Noble prize winning evidence btw.  Not that it matters though because the big bang is true regardless if there is a God or not. Science has proved that man has evolved from ape like ancestors. There is DNA evidence for that. Again that is true if God exists or not.

    And do you mind telling me what theory goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things? Because I have a feeling you did nothing more than read that of a creationist website.


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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    but if you can fly or not is something testable, a this isn't, A supernatural discussion like this has to be about why someone believes, obviously environment is a place to start

    science has theories about the creation of man but they can't prove it, same as us not being able to prove God exists.

    the big bang theory is no more testable than the belief of Christianity

    science can't tell us the cure for a cold or how pyramids were built- but wants you to believe a theory that goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things?

    I believe Brunettes are hotter than blonds, can i prove it? no, same idea




    There is evidence for the big bang. Noble prize winning evidence btw.  Not that it matters though because the big bang is true regardless if there is a God or not. Science has proved that man has evolved from ape like ancestors. There is DNA evidence for that. Again that is true if God exists or not.

    And do you mind telling me what theory goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things? Because I have a feeling you did nothing more than read that of a creationist website.


     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 5:10 PM ET #1177

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    but if you can fly or not is something testable, a this isn't, A supernatural discussion like this has to be about why someone believes, obviously environment is a place to start



    science can't tell us the cure for a cold or how pyramids were built- but wants you to believe a theory that goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things?

    I believe Brunettes are hotter than blonds, can i prove it? no, same idea



    Wasn't done with you yet, hit the submit button to early.

    Science can't tell us the cure for the common cold or how the pyramids were built, so it's not good for anything? Is that how you think? What about this computer you are using? Electricity? Your Iphone? Funny how selective you guys are when it comes to science. When it fits your lifestyle, it's great, when it contradicts your holy books it's bad.




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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    but if you can fly or not is something testable, a this isn't, A supernatural discussion like this has to be about why someone believes, obviously environment is a place to start



    science can't tell us the cure for a cold or how pyramids were built- but wants you to believe a theory that goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things?

    I believe Brunettes are hotter than blonds, can i prove it? no, same idea



    Wasn't done with you yet, hit the submit button to early.

    Science can't tell us the cure for the common cold or how the pyramids were built, so it's not good for anything? Is that how you think? What about this computer you are using? Electricity? Your Iphone? Funny how selective you guys are when it comes to science. When it fits your lifestyle, it's great, when it contradicts your holy books it's bad.




     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 5:13 PM ET #1178

    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




    . Science has proved that man has evolved from ape like ancestors. There is DNA evidence for that. Again that is true if God exists or not.


    No sir! they haven't proven it, it is just a theory. And how are they going to get DNA evidence on something they theorized lived thousands and thousands of years ago?

    C'mon cut the baloney out will ya?...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




    . Science has proved that man has evolved from ape like ancestors. There is DNA evidence for that. Again that is true if God exists or not.


    No sir! they haven't proven it, it is just a theory. And how are they going to get DNA evidence on something they theorized lived thousands and thousands of years ago?

    C'mon cut the baloney out will ya?...lol

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 5:26 PM ET #1179

    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 11 of 23. The Subtle Temptation

    satan subtly went first to the woman. He got to the man through his wife. "and he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods (Hebrew: Elohim, God), knowing good and evil" (verses 1-5).

    The narration here attributes astute subtlety to the devil. First, he discredited God. In effect, he said, "You can't rely on God's word. He said you are mortal and can die. He knows better than that; he knows your minds are so perfect that you can be God."

    It is the prerogative of God alone to determine what is right and what is sin---what is good and what is evil. God has not delegated to man the right or power to decide what is sin---but he comples us to decide whether to sin, or to obey his Law.

    So that all could rightly determine what is good the creative power had to produce and set in motion inexorable spiritual law---a law which automatically causes good if obeyed, and evils when disobeyed!

    Adam and Eve had only God's word that they were mortal and could die. Now satan disputed this. He said they were immortal souls. Whom should they believe? They had no proof, except God's word. But now Satan discredited that, and claimed just the opposite.

    satan said their intellectual powers were so great they could determine for themselves that is good and what is evil. That is a God-prerogative. "You can be God!" said satan.

    Thus satan was appealing to their human vanity. Remember, they had just been created, with perfect human minds. Not God minds---but perfect human minds. They allowed the though to enter their minds that they possessed intellectual powers so great that they could assume the God-prerogative of producing the knowledge of what is good and what is evil!

    Intellectual vanity seized them. They were enthralled, intoxicated with vanity at the grand prospect. How, after all, could they be sure God had told them the truth?

    They say (verse 6)---they used observation---that the forbidden tree was good for food, pleasant to their eyes, and desired to make them wise. Intellectual vanity was stirred. In their vanity they put their trust in human reason. They decided to reject revelation imparted by God, and to make the very first scientific experiment!

    They took the forbidden fruit and ate it.

    They took to themselves the prerogative of deciding what is good, and what is evil. In so doing, they rejected the God-centered way of God's spiritual law, and, rejecting it, of necessity they chose the way that transgresses it.

    They pioneered in deciding for themselves what is right and what is wrong---what is righteousness and what is sin. And humanity has been doing what seems right in it own eyes ever since.

    And how did they do it? They 1) rejected revelation and relied totally on 2) observation, 3) experimentation and 4) human reason. And that is precisely the basic method of reasoning used by modern man!

    And the final result of that experiment? They died! But not before producing the first child delinquent---the first criminal and murderer: Cain, who slew his brothe Abel (Gen. 4:8).

    The most vital dimension of knowledge was missing from their "scientific" procedure!

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    Why Were You BORN?

    Is there PURPOSE for human life? Does life, after all, have real meaning? Here is the awesome truth!

    Part 11 of 23. The Subtle Temptation

    satan subtly went first to the woman. He got to the man through his wife. "and he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods (Hebrew: Elohim, God), knowing good and evil" (verses 1-5).

    The narration here attributes astute subtlety to the devil. First, he discredited God. In effect, he said, "You can't rely on God's word. He said you are mortal and can die. He knows better than that; he knows your minds are so perfect that you can be God."

    It is the prerogative of God alone to determine what is right and what is sin---what is good and what is evil. God has not delegated to man the right or power to decide what is sin---but he comples us to decide whether to sin, or to obey his Law.

    So that all could rightly determine what is good the creative power had to produce and set in motion inexorable spiritual law---a law which automatically causes good if obeyed, and evils when disobeyed!

    Adam and Eve had only God's word that they were mortal and could die. Now satan disputed this. He said they were immortal souls. Whom should they believe? They had no proof, except God's word. But now Satan discredited that, and claimed just the opposite.

    satan said their intellectual powers were so great they could determine for themselves that is good and what is evil. That is a God-prerogative. "You can be God!" said satan.

    Thus satan was appealing to their human vanity. Remember, they had just been created, with perfect human minds. Not God minds---but perfect human minds. They allowed the though to enter their minds that they possessed intellectual powers so great that they could assume the God-prerogative of producing the knowledge of what is good and what is evil!

    Intellectual vanity seized them. They were enthralled, intoxicated with vanity at the grand prospect. How, after all, could they be sure God had told them the truth?

    They say (verse 6)---they used observation---that the forbidden tree was good for food, pleasant to their eyes, and desired to make them wise. Intellectual vanity was stirred. In their vanity they put their trust in human reason. They decided to reject revelation imparted by God, and to make the very first scientific experiment!

    They took the forbidden fruit and ate it.

    They took to themselves the prerogative of deciding what is good, and what is evil. In so doing, they rejected the God-centered way of God's spiritual law, and, rejecting it, of necessity they chose the way that transgresses it.

    They pioneered in deciding for themselves what is right and what is wrong---what is righteousness and what is sin. And humanity has been doing what seems right in it own eyes ever since.

    And how did they do it? They 1) rejected revelation and relied totally on 2) observation, 3) experimentation and 4) human reason. And that is precisely the basic method of reasoning used by modern man!

    And the final result of that experiment? They died! But not before producing the first child delinquent---the first criminal and murderer: Cain, who slew his brothe Abel (Gen. 4:8).

    The most vital dimension of knowledge was missing from their "scientific" procedure!

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 5:36 PM ET #1180

    the big bang was not proven nor that we came from apes- 

    science is great, i love science, but don't forget the missing link

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    the big bang was not proven nor that we came from apes- 

    science is great, i love science, but don't forget the missing link

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 5:40 PM ET #1181

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    the big bang was not proven nor that we came from apes- 

    science is great, i love science, but don't forget the missing link



    Well nothing is ever "proven" in science, but there is plenty of evidence for the big bang. If not how would you explain microwave background radiation?

    And humans not only came from apes but are apes. If not then please tell me one anatomical feature they have that humans don't. I'll wait.

    Keep in mind.....

    Neither one of these scientific theories (cosmology/evolution) are arguments against God. Only the bronze age stories written by men about God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    the big bang was not proven nor that we came from apes- 

    science is great, i love science, but don't forget the missing link



    Well nothing is ever "proven" in science, but there is plenty of evidence for the big bang. If not how would you explain microwave background radiation?

    And humans not only came from apes but are apes. If not then please tell me one anatomical feature they have that humans don't. I'll wait.

    Keep in mind.....

    Neither one of these scientific theories (cosmology/evolution) are arguments against God. Only the bronze age stories written by men about God.

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 5:42 PM ET #1182

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    but don't forget the missing link


    What missing link? What's the missing link between a bird and a Eagle? What's missing link for a dog and a German Shepard?Where's the missing link between Los Angeles and California?


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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    but don't forget the missing link


    What missing link? What's the missing link between a bird and a Eagle? What's missing link for a dog and a German Shepard?Where's the missing link between Los Angeles and California?


     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 5:49 PM ET #1183

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:


    satan subtly went first to the woman. He got to the man through his wife. "and he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods (Hebrew: Elohim, God), knowing good and evil" (verses 1-5).

    The narration here attributes astute subtlety to the devil. First, he discredited God. In effect, he said, "You can't rely on God's word. He said you are mortal and can die. He knows better than that; he knows your minds are so perfect that you can be God."

    It is the prerogative of God alone to determine what is right and what is sin---what is good and what is evil. God has not delegated to man the right or power to decide what is sin---but he comples us to decide whether to sin, or to obey his Law.

    So that all could rightly determine what is good the creative power had to produce and set in motion inexorable spiritual law---a law which automatically causes good if obeyed, and evils when disobeyed!

    Adam and Eve had only God's word that they were mortal and could die. Now satan disputed this. He said they were immortal souls. Whom should they believe? They had no proof, except God's word. But now Satan discredited that, and claimed just the opposite.

    satan said their intellectual powers were so great they could determine for themselves that is good and what is evil. That is a God-prerogative. "You can be God!" said satan.

    Thus satan was appealing to their human vanity. Remember, they had just been created, with perfect human minds. Not God minds---but perfect human minds. They allowed the though to enter their minds that they possessed intellectual powers so great that they could assume the God-prerogative of producing the knowledge of what is good and what is evil!

    Intellectual vanity seized them. They were enthralled, intoxicated with vanity at the grand prospect. How, after all, could they be sure God had told them the truth?

    They say (verse 6)---they used observation---that the forbidden tree was good for food, pleasant to their eyes, and desired to make them wise. Intellectual vanity was stirred. In their vanity they put their trust in human reason. They decided to reject revelation imparted by God, and to make the very first scientific experiment!

    They took the forbidden fruit and ate it.

    They took to themselves the prerogative of deciding what is good, and what is evil. In so doing, they rejected the God-centered way of God's spiritual law, and, rejecting it, of necessity they chose the way that transgresses it.

    They pioneered in deciding for themselves what is right and what is wrong---what is righteousness and what is sin. And humanity has been doing what seems right in it own eyes ever since.

    And how did they do it? They 1) rejected revelation and relied totally on 2) observation, 3) experimentation and 4) human reason. And that is precisely the basic method of reasoning used by modern man!

    And the final result of that experiment? They died! But not before producing the first child delinquent---the first criminal and murderer: Cain, who slew his brothe Abel (Gen. 4:8).

    The most vital dimension of knowledge was missing from their "scientific" procedure!




    It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that God set that scenario up on purpose with the intention of seeing Adam and Eve fail. You don't put two people (days? weeks? old) in a garden tell them not to eat fruit from a tree that you put there then great a talking snake to convince them to eat the fruit if you didn't want them two.

    That would be like me telling my kids not to eat candy from my kitchen table then telling big bird to go babysit my kids for a few hours then be upset with them when they ate the candy that I put there and hired a over friendly baby sitter to watch them. Then on top of that punish not only them but future generations.

    I refuse to believe if there is a such thing as a God that it would set humans up for failure on purpose. Then only offer one way out of it, to send himself in a human costume to hang himself for a cross then demand that we believe 2nd and 3rd hand accounts of it and if we don't then be punished forever.  Complete nonsense.


    BTW, where did Cain's wife come from?
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    satan subtly went first to the woman. He got to the man through his wife. "and he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods (Hebrew: Elohim, God), knowing good and evil" (verses 1-5).

    The narration here attributes astute subtlety to the devil. First, he discredited God. In effect, he said, "You can't rely on God's word. He said you are mortal and can die. He knows better than that; he knows your minds are so perfect that you can be God."

    It is the prerogative of God alone to determine what is right and what is sin---what is good and what is evil. God has not delegated to man the right or power to decide what is sin---but he comples us to decide whether to sin, or to obey his Law.

    So that all could rightly determine what is good the creative power had to produce and set in motion inexorable spiritual law---a law which automatically causes good if obeyed, and evils when disobeyed!

    Adam and Eve had only God's word that they were mortal and could die. Now satan disputed this. He said they were immortal souls. Whom should they believe? They had no proof, except God's word. But now Satan discredited that, and claimed just the opposite.

    satan said their intellectual powers were so great they could determine for themselves that is good and what is evil. That is a God-prerogative. "You can be God!" said satan.

    Thus satan was appealing to their human vanity. Remember, they had just been created, with perfect human minds. Not God minds---but perfect human minds. They allowed the though to enter their minds that they possessed intellectual powers so great that they could assume the God-prerogative of producing the knowledge of what is good and what is evil!

    Intellectual vanity seized them. They were enthralled, intoxicated with vanity at the grand prospect. How, after all, could they be sure God had told them the truth?

    They say (verse 6)---they used observation---that the forbidden tree was good for food, pleasant to their eyes, and desired to make them wise. Intellectual vanity was stirred. In their vanity they put their trust in human reason. They decided to reject revelation imparted by God, and to make the very first scientific experiment!

    They took the forbidden fruit and ate it.

    They took to themselves the prerogative of deciding what is good, and what is evil. In so doing, they rejected the God-centered way of God's spiritual law, and, rejecting it, of necessity they chose the way that transgresses it.

    They pioneered in deciding for themselves what is right and what is wrong---what is righteousness and what is sin. And humanity has been doing what seems right in it own eyes ever since.

    And how did they do it? They 1) rejected revelation and relied totally on 2) observation, 3) experimentation and 4) human reason. And that is precisely the basic method of reasoning used by modern man!

    And the final result of that experiment? They died! But not before producing the first child delinquent---the first criminal and murderer: Cain, who slew his brothe Abel (Gen. 4:8).

    The most vital dimension of knowledge was missing from their "scientific" procedure!




    It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that God set that scenario up on purpose with the intention of seeing Adam and Eve fail. You don't put two people (days? weeks? old) in a garden tell them not to eat fruit from a tree that you put there then great a talking snake to convince them to eat the fruit if you didn't want them two.

    That would be like me telling my kids not to eat candy from my kitchen table then telling big bird to go babysit my kids for a few hours then be upset with them when they ate the candy that I put there and hired a over friendly baby sitter to watch them. Then on top of that punish not only them but future generations.

    I refuse to believe if there is a such thing as a God that it would set humans up for failure on purpose. Then only offer one way out of it, to send himself in a human costume to hang himself for a cross then demand that we believe 2nd and 3rd hand accounts of it and if we don't then be punished forever.  Complete nonsense.


    BTW, where did Cain's wife come from?
     
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    i agree but this is about proving something- you can not prove the big bang, just as you can not prove that God is real

     

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    i agree but this is about proving something- you can not prove the big bang, just as you can not prove that God is real

     

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    LOL God puts Satan in the garden with the purpose of tricking them into eating the fruit then gets pissed when he succeeds. Hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    i agree but this is about proving something- you can not prove the big bang, just as you can not prove that God is real

     

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    What you don't understand is that science does not prove anything. To prove something means there is nothing more to learn about it. That's what religion is in the business of doing, making claims about our world before they really knew anything about it then saying that what was written in ancient books can never be wrong.
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    i agree but this is about proving something- you can not prove the big bang, just as you can not prove that God is real

     

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    What you don't understand is that science does not prove anything. To prove something means there is nothing more to learn about it. That's what religion is in the business of doing, making claims about our world before they really knew anything about it then saying that what was written in ancient books can never be wrong.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




    It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that God set that scenario up on purpose with the intention of seeing Adam and Eve fail. You don't put two people (days? weeks? old) in a garden tell them not to eat fruit from a tree that you put there then great a talking snake to convince them to eat the fruit if you didn't want them two.

    That would be like me telling my kids not to eat candy from my kitchen table then telling big bird to go babysit my kids for a few hours then be upset with them when they ate the candy that I put there and hired a over friendly baby sitter to watch them. Then on top of that punish not only them but future generations.

    I refuse to believe if there is a such thing as a God that it would set humans up for failure on purpose. Then only offer one way out of it, to send himself in a human costume to hang himself for a cross then demand that we believe 2nd and 3rd hand accounts of it and if we don't then be punished forever.  Complete nonsense.


    BTW, where did Cain's wife come from?

    this doesn't prove that it isn't real, man was given a choice, he sin, there was a punishment for sin.....

    or

    a magical bang that contradict actual laws of science, we magically knew how to get food, shelter and survive, our body systems beyond complexity were magically precise(how lucky) luckily we were given everything in our world to live the air the temp/environment everything was perfect for us. this magic bang only created life in our plant (we think)-and now we are related to the same animals i take my kids to see at the zoo- even though we have different amounts of chromosomes

    Both ideas could sound crazy, it's a matter of opinion until it is proven

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    It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that God set that scenario up on purpose with the intention of seeing Adam and Eve fail. You don't put two people (days? weeks? old) in a garden tell them not to eat fruit from a tree that you put there then great a talking snake to convince them to eat the fruit if you didn't want them two.

    That would be like me telling my kids not to eat candy from my kitchen table then telling big bird to go babysit my kids for a few hours then be upset with them when they ate the candy that I put there and hired a over friendly baby sitter to watch them. Then on top of that punish not only them but future generations.

    I refuse to believe if there is a such thing as a God that it would set humans up for failure on purpose. Then only offer one way out of it, to send himself in a human costume to hang himself for a cross then demand that we believe 2nd and 3rd hand accounts of it and if we don't then be punished forever.  Complete nonsense.


    BTW, where did Cain's wife come from?

    this doesn't prove that it isn't real, man was given a choice, he sin, there was a punishment for sin.....

    or

    a magical bang that contradict actual laws of science, we magically knew how to get food, shelter and survive, our body systems beyond complexity were magically precise(how lucky) luckily we were given everything in our world to live the air the temp/environment everything was perfect for us. this magic bang only created life in our plant (we think)-and now we are related to the same animals i take my kids to see at the zoo- even though we have different amounts of chromosomes

    Both ideas could sound crazy, it's a matter of opinion until it is proven

     
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    47+ pages of two sides asking to have something proven, with both sides not being able to prove or dis-prove anything, sounds crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No sir! they haven't proven it, it is just a theory. And how are they going to get DNA evidence on something they theorized lived thousands and thousands of years ago?

    C'mon cut the baloney out will ya?...lol

    christians can not comprehend the word theory in science....in science a theory is a general principle or set of principles that explains facts or events of the natural world (wave theory of light). In the bible a theory is an idea from a desert goat herder that hears voices in his head ( the earth is flat with a dome)
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    No sir! they haven't proven it, it is just a theory. And how are they going to get DNA evidence on something they theorized lived thousands and thousands of years ago?

    C'mon cut the baloney out will ya?...lol

    christians can not comprehend the word theory in science....in science a theory is a general principle or set of principles that explains facts or events of the natural world (wave theory of light). In the bible a theory is an idea from a desert goat herder that hears voices in his head ( the earth is flat with a dome)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    this doesn't prove that it isn't real, man was given a choice, he sin, there was a punishment for sin.....

    or

    a magical bang that contradict actual laws of science, we magically knew how to get food, shelter and survive, our body systems beyond complexity were magically precise(how lucky) luckily we were given everything in our world to live the air the temp/environment everything was perfect for us. this magic bang only created life in our plant (we think)-and now we are related to the same animals i take my kids to see at the zoo- even though we have different amounts of chromosomes

    Both ideas could sound crazy, it's a matter of opinion until it is proven



    I'm still waiting for you to tell me what laws of science that the big bang contradicts. 

    The rest of what you said is just an argument from ignorance. I don't know how this happened therefore God did it. Not impressive or convincing at all.


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    this doesn't prove that it isn't real, man was given a choice, he sin, there was a punishment for sin.....

    or

    a magical bang that contradict actual laws of science, we magically knew how to get food, shelter and survive, our body systems beyond complexity were magically precise(how lucky) luckily we were given everything in our world to live the air the temp/environment everything was perfect for us. this magic bang only created life in our plant (we think)-and now we are related to the same animals i take my kids to see at the zoo- even though we have different amounts of chromosomes

    Both ideas could sound crazy, it's a matter of opinion until it is proven



    I'm still waiting for you to tell me what laws of science that the big bang contradicts. 

    The rest of what you said is just an argument from ignorance. I don't know how this happened therefore God did it. Not impressive or convincing at all.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:


    now we are related to the same animals i take my kids to see at the zoo- even though we have different amounts of chromosomes




    Different amounts of chromosomes doesn't mean that humans aren't related to other animals. Where do you get this stuff from?
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    now we are related to the same animals i take my kids to see at the zoo- even though we have different amounts of chromosomes




    Different amounts of chromosomes doesn't mean that humans aren't related to other animals. Where do you get this stuff from?
     
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    energy cannot be created or destroyed

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    energy cannot be created or destroyed

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    No sir! they haven't proven it, it is just a theory. And how are they going to get DNA evidence on something they theorized lived thousands and thousands of years ago?

    C'mon cut the baloney out will ya?...lol

    Oh dear.

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    No sir! they haven't proven it, it is just a theory. And how are they going to get DNA evidence on something they theorized lived thousands and thousands of years ago?

    C'mon cut the baloney out will ya?...lol

    Oh dear.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    47+ pages of two sides asking to have something proven, with both sides not being able to prove or dis-prove anything, sounds crazy

    One guy joining a thread after 47 pages, and continuing the thread while pointing out the lunacy of the thread.

    Sounds crazy to me.

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    47+ pages of two sides asking to have something proven, with both sides not being able to prove or dis-prove anything, sounds crazy

    One guy joining a thread after 47 pages, and continuing the thread while pointing out the lunacy of the thread.

    Sounds crazy to me.

     
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    No.

    I know deep down that you know it is absolutely wrong for anyone to rape and murder little children. You know it. However to save face you are saying no....

    Thats all.

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    No.

    I know deep down that you know it is absolutely wrong for anyone to rape and murder little children. You know it. However to save face you are saying no....

    Thats all.

     
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    This is nonsense. I find it very offensive as the father of a 4 year old girl.  Because I don't believe in God it's OK for someone to rape her? Are you serious?  You don't even understand the atheists position to even attack at all.

    Question to you and ONLY you.

    Is it ABSOLUTELY wrong to rape and murder little children?

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    This is nonsense. I find it very offensive as the father of a 4 year old girl.  Because I don't believe in God it's OK for someone to rape her? Are you serious?  You don't even understand the atheists position to even attack at all.

    Question to you and ONLY you.

    Is it ABSOLUTELY wrong to rape and murder little children?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Because there are morons in this world who actually try and prove god exists, which is impossible. They take us on a wonderful journey on the ferris wheel of logic (circular logic...get it?)

    But they don't see the circularity in their logic even when we try and show them...hence, 47 pages.

    And there are morons who believe something can come from nothing in this physical world that we live in

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    Because there are morons in this world who actually try and prove god exists, which is impossible. They take us on a wonderful journey on the ferris wheel of logic (circular logic...get it?)

    But they don't see the circularity in their logic even when we try and show them...hence, 47 pages.

    And there are morons who believe something can come from nothing in this physical world that we live in

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    And there are morons who believe something can come from nothing in this physical world that we live in

    i agree

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    And there are morons who believe something can come from nothing in this physical world that we live in

    i agree

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    but if you can fly or not is something testable, a this isn't, A supernatural discussion like this has to be about why someone believes, obviously environment is a place to start

    science has theories about the creation of man but they can't prove it, same as us not being able to prove God exists.

    the big bang theory is no more testable than the belief of Christianity

    science can't tell us the cure for a cold or how pyramids were built- but wants you to believe a theory that goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things?

    I believe Brunettes are hotter than blonds, can i prove it? no, same idea

    But apparently the only people in this world who have faith are the people who believe in God. Faith is for dumb people apparently.

    Apparently KittyKatz and Vaznack dont have faith and dont need it. When they hop on a plane, they have material 100% evidence and proof that the plane isnt gonna crash.

    Furthermore, when they get married (if they arent already), at the time of getting married, they have proof and material evidence that they are going to stay with there partners till one of them dies. They have proof, otherwise they wouldnt have got married.

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    but if you can fly or not is something testable, a this isn't, A supernatural discussion like this has to be about why someone believes, obviously environment is a place to start

    science has theories about the creation of man but they can't prove it, same as us not being able to prove God exists.

    the big bang theory is no more testable than the belief of Christianity

    science can't tell us the cure for a cold or how pyramids were built- but wants you to believe a theory that goes against the laws of energy about the creation of all things?

    I believe Brunettes are hotter than blonds, can i prove it? no, same idea

    But apparently the only people in this world who have faith are the people who believe in God. Faith is for dumb people apparently.

    Apparently KittyKatz and Vaznack dont have faith and dont need it. When they hop on a plane, they have material 100% evidence and proof that the plane isnt gonna crash.

    Furthermore, when they get married (if they arent already), at the time of getting married, they have proof and material evidence that they are going to stay with there partners till one of them dies. They have proof, otherwise they wouldnt have got married.

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