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I actually LOVE my life. I pretty much get whatever I want, whenever I want. I am very privileged and very lucky for I know there are those far worse off than me. I can't say what I would do if I could create everything because there is no creator. The answer is simple: logically EVERY RATIONAL HUMAN BEING THAT EVER LIVED should look for a natural answer BEFORE looking for a supernatural answer. Science now has an answer as to how the universe began. Is this answer 100%? No, of course not. But nonetheless it is a viable answer and I will choose to accept an answer based purely on the laws of science and quantum mechanics before I make the leap to magic and wand waving.
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Stephen Hawking "The universe created itself out of nothing, by nothing for nothing"

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The fact that you can laugh at science which has advanced our standard of living exponentially and cured millions of diseases proves how despicable of a human being you are.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

The fact that you can laugh at science which has advanced our standard of living exponentially and cured millions of diseases proves how despicable of a human being you are.

There is a place for science and a place for religion in everyones life.

Science should NEVER try and answer certain questions about life, namely, science cannot tell me how i should live my life from a moral stand point.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

There is a place for science and a place for religion in everyones life.

Science should NEVER try and answer certain questions about life, namely, science cannot tell me how i should live my life from a moral stand point.


You're right Rostos.  Science shouldn't tell you how to live your life from a moral standpoint.  But neither should religion.  It should be an inherit thing within all of us on how to live.  Unfortunately, it doesn't always work that way.  
 
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Well said Drizle.
 
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You're right Rostos.  Science shouldn't tell you how to live your life from a moral standpoint.  But neither should religion.  It should be an inherit thing within all of us on how to live.  Unfortunately, it doesn't always work that way.  

It doesn't always work because religion is missing in one's life. If one followed and obeyed the Ten Commandments one would live a morally sound life and so religion is essential in one's life as a guide to righteous living.

We all have free will to choose to do right or wrong, if everyone inherited a characteristic to do just right or wrong for that matter then it would appear as though we are like puppets on a string but we are not puppets on a string because we control ourselves and our actions and are not being controlled by another.

 
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SJD - Stop lying. You know religion isn't necessary or essential to righteous living. The statement: religion is NOT NECESSARY to righteous living is 100% INDISPUTABLE FACT. And this isn't a bold or biased claim, it's the truth because there are righteous people in the world who don't believe in religion or god. So putting the god debate aside for a moment, for the purposes of living a good life, religion certainly can provide the catalyst, but it doesn't need to.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

SJD - there are righteous people in the world who don't believe in religion or god. 

Nobody is absolutely 100% righteous because we are all sinners and at one time or another we have all sinned. The only living human that was without sin was our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Nobody is absolutely 100% righteous because we are all sinners and at one time or another we have all sinned. The only living human that was without sin was our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.



I'm glad you were alive then to verify this.


 
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You're right Rostos.  Science shouldn't tell you how to live your life from a moral standpoint.  But neither should religion.  It should be an inherit thing within all of us on how to live.  Unfortunately, it doesn't always work that way.  

Ok then, lets live by your world for a moment. if i go and rape a little girl, who are YOU to tell me what i did was wrong? Cause society tells you? Who is society? Why is your societies opinion anymore valid than my societies opinion? Who is the judge on that? the Government? Last time i checked governments were going around killing people in Iraq for oil. If they can kill innocent lives for oil, why cant i rape an innocent little girl?

I will be waiting for your answer anxiously.

Have a good think about it.

 
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I'm sure Drizle believes rape is wrong and that's good enough for him.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

I'm sure Drizle believes rape is wrong and that's good enough for him.

Yeah sure, if i say rape is right and he says rape is wrong, is no different whatsoever to me saying Kobe is a better basketball player than lebron.....Just one opinion against another....Neither is right, neither is wrong.

As you say, there is no objective morals,

Remember, they are YOUR words, that morals are NOT objective. Therefore, by your definition and world view, there can be a scenario where murdering a little innocent girl is ok...Remember, that is YOUR view....If you say here isnt a case, then morals are objective.....

See the mess you got yourself into with your atheistic view...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by lbcake:



I'm glad you were alive then to verify this.


No silly! it has been verified in the New Testament which is an historical, scriptured Holy Bible. Several disciples wrote their gospels in the holy scripture...amen brother!

Now are you going to dispute their gospels as lies? What would be their motivation for lying? Do you know that they themselves were also crucified for spreading the gospel? Now what would motivate these disciples knowing that their lives were in danger for spreading the gospel? If it was a lie, who in their right mind would continue to spread the gospel? It's obvious why they did it, it's because they were spreading the truth and nothing but the truth so help me Lord!!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

No silly! it has been verified in the New Testament which is an historical, scriptured Holy Bible.

Other sources


 Several disciples wrote their gospels in the holy scripture...amen brother!

Now are you going to dispute their gospels as lies? What would be their motivation for lying? Do you know that they themselves were also crucified for spreading the gospel?

According to what? The bible????

 Now what would motivate these disciples knowing that their lives were in danger for spreading the gospel? If it was a lie, who in their right mind would continue to spread the gospel? It's obvious why they did it, it's because they were spreading the truth and nothing but the truth so help me Lord!!



 
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Yes Rostos there are no objective morals. We've been through this. There can't possibly be objective morals because everything is relative. However, as a society, we can subjectively determine what we feel is right and right and as humans, we can individually determine what we feel is right and wrong. If you say you think rape is acceptable, I would say I believe rape is wrong based on the rules and society we live in.

I don't see the relevance of this argument.
 
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Why pick on religion to mock mindless believers?Why not Obamanism?There are still people who believe that Obama was born in Hawaii despite scientific evidence to prove otherwise
 
 
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I personally don't give a shit about where Obama was born. But that's just me.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

Yes Rostos there are no objective morals. We've been through this. There can't possibly be objective morals because everything is relative. However, as a society, we can subjectively determine what we feel is right and right and as humans, we can individually determine what we feel is right and wrong. If you say you think rape is acceptable, I would say I believe rape is wrong based on the rules and society we live in.

I don't see the relevance of this argument.

Just make sure you have a good think about that....REMEMBER, in your world, raping and murdering a little innocent 6 year old is NOT ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

  I would say I believe rape is wrong based on the rules and society we live in.

I don't see the relevance of this argument.

You believe rape is wrong based on the rules and society we live in?....Don't you just know instinctively it is wrong regardless of the rules?

So if you lived in a society that said it was ok, you would believe rape is right and you yourself would probably be a rapist?

 
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If I grew up in a society where everyone raped everyone, of course I would think that rape was ok, how would I know any better? My morals were shaped and developed as I grew up by my experiences in life and what was told to me; just like EVERY OTHER HUMAN THAT HAS EVER LIVED. Hence why there are different customs in different cultures. We in america believe genital mutilation is wrong. People in other countries consider it normal practice. Can we tell them we think they are wrong? Of course. Can they tell us they think it is not wrong? Of course. I can't tell you what your morals are. I can only give an assessment of the morality of your actions based on my belief system.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

If I grew up in a society where everyone raped everyone, of course I would think that rape was ok, how would I know any better? My morals were shaped and developed as I grew up by my experiences in life and what was told to me; just like EVERY OTHER HUMAN THAT HAS EVER LIVED. Hence why there are different customs in different cultures. We in america believe genital mutilation is wrong. People in other countries consider it normal practice. Can we tell them we think they are wrong? Of course. Can they tell us they think it is not wrong? Of course. I can't tell you what your morals are. I can only give an assessment of the morality of your actions based on my belief system.

What if Hitlers reign truiphmed and we all lived under his regime? Would it be right then?

 
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I don't know what Hitler's morals were, but my knowledge of Hitler would lead me to conclude that people would believe it is morally right to hate anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes and that the aryan race is superior to all; something to that extent.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Ok then, lets live by your world for a moment. if i go and rape a little girl, who are YOU to tell me what i did was wrong? Cause society tells you? Who is society? Why is your societies opinion anymore valid than my societies opinion? Who is the judge on that? the Government? Last time i checked governments were going around killing people in Iraq for oil. If they can kill innocent lives for oil, why cant i rape an innocent little girl?

I will be waiting for your answer anxiously.

Have a good think about it.


Rostos, you used the example of raping a little girl to talk about  your point.  I don't need society or religion to tell me thats wrong.  I was never told by my parents as a child that that was wrong, but as a human being it is something inherit within me to know things like that are wrong.  Religion doesn't tell me that.  And you're smart enough to know it doesn't.  

And if needed, we can dive into the millions that Christianity killed for their own supposed righteous beliefs.  Maybe they were wrong.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Nobody is absolutely 100% righteous because we are all sinners and at one time or another we have all sinned. The only living human that was without sin was our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.


Jesus was without sin?  You can't claim that to be correct or incorrect.  I'm not attacking you SJD, I respect your thoughts on this and Rostos' as well.

 
 
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Good looking out KittyKatz.  I share the same thought process and you killed it.  
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