Lets be honest about religion

What about this guy.

Shrewd shrewd multi multi millionaire who didnt believe , died, saw the light, came back, quit his career, quit his millions and now works as a social worker in a modest lifestyle?

Who does that after just a "dream" or if it is a hoax?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtmtX4M-wqM

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Sorry to disappoint you, but the Atheist Experience is just one place I get my information from. Unlike you who only has the bible...And these are people that have studied and researched religions and the bible. And, as you know, Matt was studying to be a minister, and his studies lead him to his Atheist beliefs

And as for a seeing a light, where have I heard that before, of yeah, just about every near death experience!Maybe its some chemical activity in the brain that occurs when you almost die...So what does the video prove

And what about people who vision hell?

So on one hand it is a chemical reaction causing the light but some others experience hell.......Different reactions from different people on death huh? Thebrain is reacting differently depending on how it feels.....

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Really They envisioned hell Or what they thought hell would be likeWhat exactly does "hell" look like?????? What exactly does "heaven" look like??????? If there even were such places...people's minds do some crazy shit when they almost die, I'm sure some day we will learn what is happening in the brain at this time...

i bet there are a lot of strippers there. 

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And preists Oh, wait, they get a pass

lots of strippers, professional athletes and other people who have other things to do on sunday morning.  very few priests and child molesters, although probably a lot of children who never became old enough to decide about religion or god or just figured they'd rather watch cartoons or sports on sunday rather than go to church. 

At the time, i didnt think about God punishing me if i didnt go back etc etc. We were 10 minutes away from the resteraunt, no one realised, no one knew and it was most likely we werent going to go back to eat there, so i wasnt worried for one bit that i would get "caught" or someone would put a witch hunt on us for not paying. So i could EASILY have gotten away with a nice free meal.

However, there was something inside me crying with guilt, my Conscience (inner voice) was telling me that what i did (even though it was unintentional) that it was wrong.

We went back and paid and they were very grateful and telling us how honest we are etc etc tc.

Now, that is your God Conscience telling you what is right ot wrong. Everyone has a Conscience, EVERYONE. It is wether you listen to it or not.

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You can have a conscience even if you don't know if God exists.  There is a saying I live by:  "Integrity is doing what is right when no one else is looking."

Does one really need God to tell you the right thing to do was to go back and pay for your meal? 

A few years back, I was driving on Christmas Eve going to pick up my gal.  A guy was walking on the side of the highway.  I stopped and asked him what was up....his car had broke down and his house was 3 miles away.  It was 10 degrees and windy and he had dress shoes and related clothes on.  No hat and thin gloves.  I drove him home because it was the right thing to do.

I had a guy stop at my home last winter.  He had a flat and had no tools.  He had on a light jacket and had no hat and gloves.  It was 20 below.  It was 10:00 p.m.  I changed, got all my warm clothes on, and helped change his tire.  Took 45 minutes because of the snow and cold.  When finished, he attempted to give me $10 because, "unfortunately, that's all I have."  I told him to keep it and maybe down the road he'll be in a spot to help someone else out.  Why?  Because it was the right thing to do. 

It's really that simple sometimes. 

The fact that you think it's impossible to feel compassion or to do the right thing or to care for others without God makes no sense to me. 

Could it be the desire to be a productive contributor to society?  Or the good feeling you get when you help your fellow man?

I live in a city with pretty high taxes.  I have no kids.  Yet I pretty much vote in favor of any tax increase that will benefit education....because I believe that benefits society and when society wins, I win.

My business partern is a fervent believer in God.  He votes against every single proposed tax increase related to education.  And he has 2 children. 

Now he has that right and that's OK.  But don't come in here telling me the only way to explain a "moral" act is God. 

Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

Sorry to disappoint you, but the Atheist Experience is just one place I get my information from. Unlike you who only has the bible...And these are people that have studied and researched religions and the bible. And, as you know, Matt was studying to be a minister, and his studies lead him to his Atheist beliefs

And as for a seeing a light, where have I heard that before, of yeah, just about every near death experience!Maybe its some chemical activity in the brain that occurs when you almost die...So what does the video prove

My business partner's dad was litterally dead on the table and was brought back to life (he has had 3 heart attacks and now has an internal heart pump which keeps him alive).  The doctors said they were almost to the point of calling it (time of death).  He was unconscious for some time.  When he awoke, he said he remembered absolutely nothing. 

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Really They envisioned hell Or what they thought hell would be likeWhat exactly does "hell" look like?????? What exactly does "heaven" look like??????? If there even were such places...people's minds do some crazy shit when they almost die, I'm sure some day we will learn what is happening in the brain at this time...

Hang on, you have avoided my question.

Why is it that in nearly all these cases, people who have near death experiences "experience" either a "light", meeting Jesus, seeing there old family, heavan or a darkness, seeing people suffering, devil, burning etc etc but NEVER do we hear of a story where one person was saying that during there near death experience that they were driving a ferrari, playing football, baseball, sailing on a yacht or hanging out with friends or boning a hot chick etc etc etc.

Why is it they all these near experiences are always associated with the after life and never a normal dream? Surely if they are clinically dead (by the way, when someone is clinically dead, there brains arent active)

Exaclty 100% right. To me, that is an indication that God's law is written in all our hearts, it is wether ones conscience LISTENS and ACTS on that law. In this case you did. That is where you get ultimately judged.

However, the fact that wre are ALL sinners (we dont listen to that conscience) means we are all sinners.

This is where you need to ask for forgiveness through Christ. If you dont believe, then you cant ask for forgiveness.

Hypothetically, i would imagine, that if a person is sin free, they dont need to ask for forgiveness, but no one is sin free.

Your heart is filled with hatred of God. I can only speculate but I believe it's because you just don't like what you see around you. You probably don't even like your own life and your circumstances and so for you to believe in a God would mean he doesn't care or love you because if he did, your life would be much better than it is.

Let's turn the tables for a moment. What if you were the Creator God. How would you have things different from what it is? Would you make everyone's life a paradise? Would you make surprise visits to people on random basis? Go ahead tell us what's on your mind, the stage is yours.