Im bored. No sports for me to bet on. How about a religion thread?

The fact that they are on covers, or own a computer in the first place - would make Jesus ill.

I hate to break it to the Christians out there, but if they actually read the Bible, particularly what Jesus said and how he lived - he would be appalled by todays capitalist kill or be killed society.  A luxury item like a computer would cause him to tell you that you should sell it and get back to doing something important, like helping the poor and disadvantaged.

The fact that "christians" have enough time to waste on a gambling website is so hypocritical I dont even know where to start.  Jesus would condemn this monumental waste of time, along with all of your material possessions and lack of helping your fellow man.

The real problem with christianity is that christ has been taken out of it by the church.  It should just be called "ianity", there is no christ in todays christians.  Jesus would be sick about you with your car, your house, your food - while half of the world is homeless and hungry - and you do nothing about it except pray to him that you will be able to buy a nicer car or have better food.  What do you think Jesus would say about that?   Christians in this country have a crisis when they cant pay their mortgage, or cant buy organic produce - what do you think a benevolent god thinks of your incredible selfishness when you pray for YOUR life to get better?  Dont you think Jesus would tell you to sell all of your stuff and start hitting the streets to make a difference?

So I dont take these fake christians too seriously.  They have lost the message.  In fact, I find that non-believers are closer to Jesus and the way he lived than most christians - they have been hijacked to believe that Jesus is in favor of materialism and survival of the fittest.  Jesus was not a survival of the fittest type of guy.  Jesus was a survival of the masses type of guy.

christians + atheists...

ghostwriters are used to write books, articles e.c.t that are officially credited to another person. the notion that celebrities + political leaders use ghostwriters to draft or edit autobiographies magazine articles and speeches is excepted by its audience, on the substantial amount of research by the silent author. while the lead article of the thread is well constructed, it has pattern errors in its information that illustrate the writer had a motive. this isnt critera to the apostles being fraudulent.

to the christian, make an effort to apply the standards of positive communication, in that your response to an athiest's challenge will cause them to rethink their position.

so, speak the atheist language, the language of evidence + reasoning, of logic and proof, using a comprehensive worldview system that will describe the nature of all reality about any field that claims to be knowledge rather than just speculation or ego assertion.

rhetoric narrow thinking in arrangment, style + delivery just scores the highest negative of attitudes from a group that already harbors bigotry towards creation doctrine.

think how jesus would approach + conduct himself in the conversation. he doesnt need lawyers to defend the faith, he requires fisherman, right?

to the atheist, dont be supercilious with the thought of superior insight that has you seeing errors that invalidate the argument that are not illusions. saying such dirt that if God existed that he would not design a world that contains natural evil. that accordingly, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, + tsunamis represent the workings of an indifferent, indiscriminately cruel world. 

dont fail to realize fact like that all the bad things of this world are absolutely required for life to exist at all. most of this evil provides us with much more pleasure than pain.

the existence of earthquakes is that the earth's continental crusts are floating on the earth's molten mantel. since the continents are floating, the plates that make up the continents tend to run into one another. when they slip past one another, the grinding of the plates results in the release of a large amount of energy, causing the plates to shake.

if humans could just eliminate the mantel and make all the continents fixed in position, on the surface, it sounds like a good idea, but all other rocky planets in the solar system have no molten core, and, therefore, no seismic activity. a molten interior of the earth is absolutely essential to the existence of life. the independent rotation of the molten interior of the earth results in a magnetic dynamo that produces a charged field around the earth.

this magnetic field produces the van-allen radiation shield, which protects the earth from radiation bombardment. if this shield were not present, life would not be possible on the earth.

Not once have i seen a theist START a thread mocking or laughing at atheists.

That's because there is nothing they can mock or laugh at, and it's not so much mocking, but pointing out what a crock religion is...

Go through all the threads, you will see atheists START ALL threads bashing mocking religion, the bible etc etc.

I am not worried, actions speak louder than words. It clearly shows the insecurities of the non believer resulting in them to continually bashing the believer.

I think you are the one that is insecure, or you wouldn't care...

Not once have i seen a theist START a thread mocking or laughing at atheists.

Go through all the threads, you will see atheists START ALL threads bashing mocking religion, the bible etc etc.

I am not worried, actions speak louder than words. It clearly shows the insecurities of the non believer resulting in them to continually bashing the believer.

The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the
big questions, is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark
of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble and that is what man needs
to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting
shit dead wrong.

The plain fact is religion must die for mankind to live.

And this one is DEAD on IMO:

If you believe that the world is going to come to an end
- and perhaps any day now - does it not drain ones motivation to
improve life on earth while were here?

Bill Maher quotes

All I can say is I don't know what happens when you die.  But I also just can't rationally understand the God "argument" either.

My gal is a Catholic (somewhat practicing).  We've discussed this a ton and her response is, "well, your parents did you a disservice by not giving you a religious upbringing."  I'm like WTF?  If she had been brought up in India, she'd might be Hindu....or Bhuddist.  So just because you grew up Catholic is proof that it is true? 

She falls on her face when we talk logic....in the end, it's all back to "just have faith."  Well, I HAVE tried and it makes me uncomfortable and I feel like a fraud.  I have, in the past, asked God to help me believe. It hasn't changed for me since I was a little kid and let me tell you, I have tried. 

Like van said, we are just a blip on the radar screen on planet earth.  As Carlin said, even we can't fuk up enough to destroy the earth.  Destory human-kind, yes.  But the earth will be more then fine. 

I'll have to go back and read through this thread.  Always an interesting debate on covers.   

The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the
big questions, is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark
of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble and that is what man needs
to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting
shit dead wrong.

The plain fact is religion must die for mankind to live.

And this one is DEAD on IMO:

If you believe that the world is going to come to an end
- and perhaps any day now - does it not drain ones motivation to
improve life on earth while were here?

Bill Maher quotes

All I can say is I don't know what happens when you die.  But I also just can't rationally understand the God "argument" either.

My gal is a Catholic (somewhat practicing).  We've discussed this a ton and her response is, "well, your parents did you a disservice by not giving you a religious upbringing."  I'm like WTF?  If she had been brought up in India, she'd might be Hindu....or Bhuddist.  So just because you grew up Catholic is proof that it is true? 

She falls on her face when we talk logic....in the end, it's all back to "just have faith."  Well, I HAVE tried and it makes me uncomfortable and I feel like a fraud.  I have, in the past, asked God to help me believe. It hasn't changed for me since I was a little kid and let me tell you, I have tried. 

Like van said, we are just a blip on the radar screen on planet earth.  As Carlin said, even we can't fuk up enough to destroy the earth.  Destory human-kind, yes.  But the earth will be more then fine. 

I'll have to go back and read through this thread.  Always an interesting debate on covers.