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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    Sugarbear19
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 10:48 PM ET #2276

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Just like ALL atheists, you cant ignore my hypothesis and jump to a new one without attempting to break it down....




    There's nothing to break down... you're not offering anything. Show me a study, a chart, a graph, SHOW ME SOMETHING. Show me the paper that says (using the information you clearly believe to show this):

    "Hey, we proved god's existence."

    Good luck finding it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Just like ALL atheists, you cant ignore my hypothesis and jump to a new one without attempting to break it down....




    There's nothing to break down... you're not offering anything. Show me a study, a chart, a graph, SHOW ME SOMETHING. Show me the paper that says (using the information you clearly believe to show this):

    "Hey, we proved god's existence."

    Good luck finding it
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 10:49 PM ET #2277

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Atheists talking about simple logic....

    Please, please, please breakdown the following statement - i dare...

    1.All things that begin to exist have a cause UNFOUNDED

    2.The universe (TIME, SPACE AND MATTER) BEGAN to exist UNFOUNDED

    3. Therefore the universe has a cause (spaceless, timeless, immaterial cause) UNFOUNDED

    I am waiting in aticipation.

    Keep in mind the first and second laws of thermodynamics...

     

     

     


    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Atheists talking about simple logic....

    Please, please, please breakdown the following statement - i dare...

    1.All things that begin to exist have a cause UNFOUNDED

    2.The universe (TIME, SPACE AND MATTER) BEGAN to exist UNFOUNDED

    3. Therefore the universe has a cause (spaceless, timeless, immaterial cause) UNFOUNDED

    I am waiting in aticipation.

    Keep in mind the first and second laws of thermodynamics...

     

     

     


     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 10:51 PM ET #2278

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is very good evidence to show that Christianity is true.

    The historicity of Christ is one.



    Rostos said: The fact that St. Nicholas (Santa Claus) existed is not sufficient evidence to prove that the myth of Santa Claus is true.

    Rostos now says: The fact that Jesus Christ existed is sufficient evidence to prove Christianity is true.


    Running out of straws to grasp at pal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is very good evidence to show that Christianity is true.

    The historicity of Christ is one.



    Rostos said: The fact that St. Nicholas (Santa Claus) existed is not sufficient evidence to prove that the myth of Santa Claus is true.

    Rostos now says: The fact that Jesus Christ existed is sufficient evidence to prove Christianity is true.


    Running out of straws to grasp at pal
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 10:53 PM ET #2279

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is absolutely no scientific evidence whatsovever about a multi verse.....

    The scientific theory that the universe began to exist is far far stronger than the multiverse theory, not even close....

    In any regards, a multi verse theory does not render an absolute beginning to be false.

    The only implications a multi verse has is on the fine tuning argument.......

    Just like ALL atheists, you cant ignore my hypothesis and jump to a new one without attempting to break it down....

     


    They're very close to proving the multiverse theory either right or wrong. Nevertheless, it's a theory just like your theory. How come your theory is viable but mine is not? They're both theories right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is absolutely no scientific evidence whatsovever about a multi verse.....

    The scientific theory that the universe began to exist is far far stronger than the multiverse theory, not even close....

    In any regards, a multi verse theory does not render an absolute beginning to be false.

    The only implications a multi verse has is on the fine tuning argument.......

    Just like ALL atheists, you cant ignore my hypothesis and jump to a new one without attempting to break it down....

     


    They're very close to proving the multiverse theory either right or wrong. Nevertheless, it's a theory just like your theory. How come your theory is viable but mine is not? They're both theories right?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 10:55 PM ET #2280

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is absolutely no scientific evidence whatsovever about a multi verse.....

     
    Actually, there is. And the more research we do, the more the results of particle experimentation, and the math state this is a likely part of the structure of the universe.
    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is absolutely no scientific evidence whatsovever about a multi verse.....

     
    Actually, there is. And the more research we do, the more the results of particle experimentation, and the math state this is a likely part of the structure of the universe.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 10:59 PM ET #2281

    As i stated, even if there is a mutliverse, it does NOT render an absolute beginning to be false...

    It only alters the implications of fine tuning.......

    Why are people not responding to my argument i posted about the universe having a cause....?

    Why so much avoidance? why?

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    As i stated, even if there is a mutliverse, it does NOT render an absolute beginning to be false...

    It only alters the implications of fine tuning.......

    Why are people not responding to my argument i posted about the universe having a cause....?

    Why so much avoidance? why?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 10:59 PM ET #2282

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:



    Rostos said: The fact that St. Nicholas (Santa Claus) existed is not sufficient evidence to prove that the myth of Santa Claus is true.

    Rostos now says: The fact that Jesus Christ existed is sufficient evidence to prove Christianity is true.


    Running out of straws to grasp at pal

    must be nice to be able to pick and choose what is evidence and what is not 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:



    Rostos said: The fact that St. Nicholas (Santa Claus) existed is not sufficient evidence to prove that the myth of Santa Claus is true.

    Rostos now says: The fact that Jesus Christ existed is sufficient evidence to prove Christianity is true.


    Running out of straws to grasp at pal

    must be nice to be able to pick and choose what is evidence and what is not 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:02 PM ET #2283

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    Well, since Rostos is off making amazing scientific discoveries using his imagination and not backing it up with tangible research that states how his 2nd law of thermodynamics and the idea that the universe is not eternal is proving god's existence, why don't we all discuss how

    A) the story of Jesus was plagiarized

    https://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm (scroll down to the chart)

    B) the Bible was edited and prospective books were removed

    https://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/outside.stm

    And now for all the cultists (Rostos, Smoothd, SJD, even Boberts) to glaze over this and move on to making the same illogical and unsubstantial claims


    Border, Guth and Vilenkin model........

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    Well, since Rostos is off making amazing scientific discoveries using his imagination and not backing it up with tangible research that states how his 2nd law of thermodynamics and the idea that the universe is not eternal is proving god's existence, why don't we all discuss how

    A) the story of Jesus was plagiarized

    https://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm (scroll down to the chart)

    B) the Bible was edited and prospective books were removed

    https://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/outside.stm

    And now for all the cultists (Rostos, Smoothd, SJD, even Boberts) to glaze over this and move on to making the same illogical and unsubstantial claims


    Border, Guth and Vilenkin model........

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:06 PM ET #2284

    1. If Santa exists, presents will be unaccounted for

    2. No presents are unaccounted for

    3. Therefore, Santa doesnt exist.....

    Interesting to see people around here quote me about Santa....Of course the person St Nicholas existed............Was there any accounts of him flying around on reindeers, climbing down chimnies and delievring presents?

    The intellect on this page is extremely low...

     

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    1. If Santa exists, presents will be unaccounted for

    2. No presents are unaccounted for

    3. Therefore, Santa doesnt exist.....

    Interesting to see people around here quote me about Santa....Of course the person St Nicholas existed............Was there any accounts of him flying around on reindeers, climbing down chimnies and delievring presents?

    The intellect on this page is extremely low...

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:10 PM ET #2285

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Actually, there is. And the more research we do, the more the results of particle experimentation, and the math state this is a likely part of the structure of the universe.

    There is NO PROOF.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    Actually, there is. And the more research we do, the more the results of particle experimentation, and the math state this is a likely part of the structure of the universe.

    There is NO PROOF.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:16 PM ET #2286

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    As i stated, even if there is a mutliverse, it does NOT render an absolute beginning to be false...

    It only alters the implications of fine tuning.......

    Why are people not responding to my argument i posted about the universe having a cause....?

    Why so much avoidance? why?

    An absolute beginning is an illogical statement, because there will always be something "before" any absolute beginning you can come up with. Same applies to the "original" cause, or that which nothing more complex can be comprehended, and therefore god. Same stupid circular argument.
     Fixing a point in time, or space is useful to establish value, and degree for human calculations, but it cannot establish some arbitrary frontier from which nothing ever happen before.
    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    As i stated, even if there is a mutliverse, it does NOT render an absolute beginning to be false...

    It only alters the implications of fine tuning.......

    Why are people not responding to my argument i posted about the universe having a cause....?

    Why so much avoidance? why?

    An absolute beginning is an illogical statement, because there will always be something "before" any absolute beginning you can come up with. Same applies to the "original" cause, or that which nothing more complex can be comprehended, and therefore god. Same stupid circular argument.
     Fixing a point in time, or space is useful to establish value, and degree for human calculations, but it cannot establish some arbitrary frontier from which nothing ever happen before.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:17 PM ET #2287

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    1. If Santa exists, presents will be unaccounted for

    2. No presents are unaccounted for

    3. Therefore, Santa doesnt exist.....

    Interesting to see people around here quote me about Santa....Of course the person St Nicholas existed............Was there any accounts of him flying around on reindeers, climbing down chimnies and delievring presents?

    The intellect on this page is extremely low...

     


    You can't be serious with this argument. No presents are unaccounted for? That's the best you can do? I can say with 100% certainty that somewhere in the world at some point, a present was unaccounted for.

    As for your claim there is NO PROOF for the multiverse theory. You are correct. There is NO PROOF just like there is NO PROOF of your god theory. Surely you see the parallel you have made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    1. If Santa exists, presents will be unaccounted for

    2. No presents are unaccounted for

    3. Therefore, Santa doesnt exist.....

    Interesting to see people around here quote me about Santa....Of course the person St Nicholas existed............Was there any accounts of him flying around on reindeers, climbing down chimnies and delievring presents?

    The intellect on this page is extremely low...

     


    You can't be serious with this argument. No presents are unaccounted for? That's the best you can do? I can say with 100% certainty that somewhere in the world at some point, a present was unaccounted for.

    As for your claim there is NO PROOF for the multiverse theory. You are correct. There is NO PROOF just like there is NO PROOF of your god theory. Surely you see the parallel you have made.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:20 PM ET #2288

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is NO PROOF for your god theory either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is NO PROOF for your god theory either.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:21 PM ET #2289

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    An absolute beginning is an illogical statement, because there will always be something "before" any absolute beginning you can come up with. Same applies to the "original" cause, or that which nothing more complex can be comprehended, and therefore god. Same stupid circular argument.
     Fixing a point in time, or space is useful to establish value, and degree for human calculations, but it cannot establish some arbitrary frontier from which nothing ever happen before.

    So are you saying we have an infinite past?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    An absolute beginning is an illogical statement, because there will always be something "before" any absolute beginning you can come up with. Same applies to the "original" cause, or that which nothing more complex can be comprehended, and therefore god. Same stupid circular argument.
     Fixing a point in time, or space is useful to establish value, and degree for human calculations, but it cannot establish some arbitrary frontier from which nothing ever happen before.

    So are you saying we have an infinite past?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:25 PM ET #2290

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    You can't be serious with this argument. No presents are unaccounted for? That's the best you can do? I can say with 100% certainty that somewhere in the world at some point, a present was unaccounted for.

    As for your claim there is NO PROOF for the multiverse theory. You are correct. There is NO PROOF just like there is NO PROOF of your god theory. Surely you see the parallel you have made.

    if you say a present has been unaccounted for......meaning,

    A person has recieved a present that was not bought, donated, stolen or made by a mortal human being?

    No proof? Look around you? I believe there was a creator, you believe everything happened by luck and chance......You can sit back and ponder and say yes, this is all luck and chance....I have shown you the latest mathematical odds calculated by Roger penrose.....There is a better chance of me beating the miami heat by myself than the universe happening by chance...Good luck with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    You can't be serious with this argument. No presents are unaccounted for? That's the best you can do? I can say with 100% certainty that somewhere in the world at some point, a present was unaccounted for.

    As for your claim there is NO PROOF for the multiverse theory. You are correct. There is NO PROOF just like there is NO PROOF of your god theory. Surely you see the parallel you have made.

    if you say a present has been unaccounted for......meaning,

    A person has recieved a present that was not bought, donated, stolen or made by a mortal human being?

    No proof? Look around you? I believe there was a creator, you believe everything happened by luck and chance......You can sit back and ponder and say yes, this is all luck and chance....I have shown you the latest mathematical odds calculated by Roger penrose.....There is a better chance of me beating the miami heat by myself than the universe happening by chance...Good luck with that

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:35 PM ET #2291

    So Rostos final position, as usual is "I just can't believe it happened any other way!"

    If you have infinite time any probability above zero of for an event happening means the odds of the event happening are 100%. You are truly a dumb fuck, dumb fuck, dumb fuck.
    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    So Rostos final position, as usual is "I just can't believe it happened any other way!"

    If you have infinite time any probability above zero of for an event happening means the odds of the event happening are 100%. You are truly a dumb fuck, dumb fuck, dumb fuck.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:36 PM ET #2292

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is NO PROOF.

    The idea that other universes - as well as our own - lie within "bubbles" of space and time has received a boost.

    Studies of the low-temperature glow left from the Big Bang suggest that several of these "bubble universes" may have left marks on our own.

    This "multiverse" idea is popular in modern physics, but experimental tests have been hard to come by.

    The preliminary work, to be published in Physical Review D, will be firmed up using data from the Planck telescope.

    For now, the team has worked with seven years' worth of data from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, which measures in minute detail the cosmic microwave background (CMB) - the faint glow left from our Universe's formation.

    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is NO PROOF.

    The idea that other universes - as well as our own - lie within "bubbles" of space and time has received a boost.

    Studies of the low-temperature glow left from the Big Bang suggest that several of these "bubble universes" may have left marks on our own.

    This "multiverse" idea is popular in modern physics, but experimental tests have been hard to come by.

    The preliminary work, to be published in Physical Review D, will be firmed up using data from the Planck telescope.

    For now, the team has worked with seven years' worth of data from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, which measures in minute detail the cosmic microwave background (CMB) - the faint glow left from our Universe's formation.

     
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    Probabilities and Probability Densities

    Although one may not doubt that Penrose's figure of 1:10^10^123 is a good stab at the relative volumes in phase space (that is, the collection of all possible universes), this value, in and of itself does not give us theprobability that, given a random selection of points in phase space, ours would be chosen. Nor has it ever been demonstrated that the origin of the universe would include some sort of random processes whereby the values of the fundamental constants were determined.

    Why should we not treat the Penrose figure as describing the improbability of our universe? Because any calculation of any probability requires a knowledge of the relevant probability densities. So, the calculation of our particular universe existing would require expressions for the probability densities for various universe scenarios. And I think it is safe to say thatnobody knows what the probability densities are at this time, or even if the concept of "various universe scenarios" is at all meaningful.

    To get a quick feel for the meaning and necessity of probability densities, consider this simple example, which involves a discrete random variable: Suppose you roll two fair dice simultaneously. The "phase space" consists of the numbers two through twelve. The actual value you roll will be just one value within that phase space, one of eleven possible values. However, this does not mean that all of the outcomes of a random toss are equally likely. For example, you are more likely to roll a six than a two, because there are more ways to obtain a six than a two. In other words, the outcome for the two dice has a non-uniform probability density, because some outcomes are more likely than others.

    Another illustration demonstrates the same idea, but with a continuousprobability density. Suppose you have a clock with only a minute hand, and that the minute hand has become disconnected from the inner mechanism and is now free to spin about. If the clock is lying horizontally and you give the hand a spin, it will go around a number of times and then settle on some number. What are the odds of any random spin resulting in the hand, or pointer, pointing, say, between the three and the four? Since there are twelve such intervals where it may stop, the probability, assuming that it spins smoothly, is 1/12. Here the probability density is uniform. The pointer is just as likely to point to any given spot as any other after a random spin. Now, consider what happens if you hang the clock back on the wall. What is the probability of obtaining a value between three and four now? Has the probability density changed? Yes, if you spin the pointer, it will now point to the six (straight down) with 100% (or close) probability. The probability density has been drastically altered, even though we have not changed the set of all possible outcomes and the phase space.

    How does this relate to the problem at hand? How could we determine the probability densities for all possible universes? The direct, empirical method would involve looking at the statistics of a large number of universes. One could estimate the densities by examining the properties of other, diverse universes picked at random. Unfortunately, that method is clearly out of the question. We only have one universe to look at. Unless there is a theoretical model which predicts these probability densities (along with other results which can be tested), we have no reason to conclude they are uniform (as so many have done by default) or bell-curves or whatever. (Efforts in the field of quantum gravity and string theory may eventually yield the values of the fundamental constants as part of a theoretical framework, but this has yet to be seen.) And this means one should be wary of using the term "fine-tuned" to describe the values of the constants (just as one would be wary of the answer to a calculus problem when no limits of integration and no integrand were specified). If the probability densities for the fundamental constants were Dirac delta functions,[9] for example, then our universe would have come into existence with a probability of unity and the concept of tuning would clearly not even apply.

    Or, to modify the biased analogy of the AD proponents, we don't know if a firing squad of 100 marksmen or a single blind man with a musket is a better representation of the conditions surrounding the early moments of the universe.

    So, the proper response to that favorite rhetorical question of the AD proponents, "Come on, what are the odds that those constants were tuned by chance?" is: "Yes! Indeed! What are the odds? What are the probability densities?"

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    Probabilities and Probability Densities

    Although one may not doubt that Penrose's figure of 1:10^10^123 is a good stab at the relative volumes in phase space (that is, the collection of all possible universes), this value, in and of itself does not give us theprobability that, given a random selection of points in phase space, ours would be chosen. Nor has it ever been demonstrated that the origin of the universe would include some sort of random processes whereby the values of the fundamental constants were determined.

    Why should we not treat the Penrose figure as describing the improbability of our universe? Because any calculation of any probability requires a knowledge of the relevant probability densities. So, the calculation of our particular universe existing would require expressions for the probability densities for various universe scenarios. And I think it is safe to say thatnobody knows what the probability densities are at this time, or even if the concept of "various universe scenarios" is at all meaningful.

    To get a quick feel for the meaning and necessity of probability densities, consider this simple example, which involves a discrete random variable: Suppose you roll two fair dice simultaneously. The "phase space" consists of the numbers two through twelve. The actual value you roll will be just one value within that phase space, one of eleven possible values. However, this does not mean that all of the outcomes of a random toss are equally likely. For example, you are more likely to roll a six than a two, because there are more ways to obtain a six than a two. In other words, the outcome for the two dice has a non-uniform probability density, because some outcomes are more likely than others.

    Another illustration demonstrates the same idea, but with a continuousprobability density. Suppose you have a clock with only a minute hand, and that the minute hand has become disconnected from the inner mechanism and is now free to spin about. If the clock is lying horizontally and you give the hand a spin, it will go around a number of times and then settle on some number. What are the odds of any random spin resulting in the hand, or pointer, pointing, say, between the three and the four? Since there are twelve such intervals where it may stop, the probability, assuming that it spins smoothly, is 1/12. Here the probability density is uniform. The pointer is just as likely to point to any given spot as any other after a random spin. Now, consider what happens if you hang the clock back on the wall. What is the probability of obtaining a value between three and four now? Has the probability density changed? Yes, if you spin the pointer, it will now point to the six (straight down) with 100% (or close) probability. The probability density has been drastically altered, even though we have not changed the set of all possible outcomes and the phase space.

    How does this relate to the problem at hand? How could we determine the probability densities for all possible universes? The direct, empirical method would involve looking at the statistics of a large number of universes. One could estimate the densities by examining the properties of other, diverse universes picked at random. Unfortunately, that method is clearly out of the question. We only have one universe to look at. Unless there is a theoretical model which predicts these probability densities (along with other results which can be tested), we have no reason to conclude they are uniform (as so many have done by default) or bell-curves or whatever. (Efforts in the field of quantum gravity and string theory may eventually yield the values of the fundamental constants as part of a theoretical framework, but this has yet to be seen.) And this means one should be wary of using the term "fine-tuned" to describe the values of the constants (just as one would be wary of the answer to a calculus problem when no limits of integration and no integrand were specified). If the probability densities for the fundamental constants were Dirac delta functions,[9] for example, then our universe would have come into existence with a probability of unity and the concept of tuning would clearly not even apply.

    Or, to modify the biased analogy of the AD proponents, we don't know if a firing squad of 100 marksmen or a single blind man with a musket is a better representation of the conditions surrounding the early moments of the universe.

    So, the proper response to that favorite rhetorical question of the AD proponents, "Come on, what are the odds that those constants were tuned by chance?" is: "Yes! Indeed! What are the odds? What are the probability densities?"

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:39 PM ET #2294

     10 things i have learnt on this page....

    1. Aliens exist 100% proof. You need emptical evidence to show God exists but you dont need it for aliens.

    2. There are presents which have never been accounted for, meaning, a child has recieved a present somewhere which cannot be traced to a mortal human being which didnt either buy the present, donate it, steal it or make it themselves....So now the atheist is inadvertantly admitting Santa exists.

    3. The multiverse will be proven  

    4. The universe has an infinite past despite the mathematical number cannot be applied to reality AND the second law of thermodynamics must be wrong therefore much we currently know about physics is wrong because it doesnt eliminate God...

    5. All religions are the same, all of them

    6. If a Christian commits a sin, that shows God doesnt exist or Christianity is false.

    7. An atheist doesnt believe God exists, some atheists are swearing and throwing insults at God, so they are insulting something they dont believe exists.......?

    8. An atheist swears and insults God, doesnt want anything to do with God, then when explained to them that they will be away from God for eternity, they ask how God could do such a thing...

    9. if th supernatural exists, the laws of our physical world have to apply to those of the supernatural...They cant be different.

    10. Keep presenting updated scientific and philosophical theories to the table and they keot getting ignored...

    There is plenty more........

     

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     10 things i have learnt on this page....

    1. Aliens exist 100% proof. You need emptical evidence to show God exists but you dont need it for aliens.

    2. There are presents which have never been accounted for, meaning, a child has recieved a present somewhere which cannot be traced to a mortal human being which didnt either buy the present, donate it, steal it or make it themselves....So now the atheist is inadvertantly admitting Santa exists.

    3. The multiverse will be proven  

    4. The universe has an infinite past despite the mathematical number cannot be applied to reality AND the second law of thermodynamics must be wrong therefore much we currently know about physics is wrong because it doesnt eliminate God...

    5. All religions are the same, all of them

    6. If a Christian commits a sin, that shows God doesnt exist or Christianity is false.

    7. An atheist doesnt believe God exists, some atheists are swearing and throwing insults at God, so they are insulting something they dont believe exists.......?

    8. An atheist swears and insults God, doesnt want anything to do with God, then when explained to them that they will be away from God for eternity, they ask how God could do such a thing...

    9. if th supernatural exists, the laws of our physical world have to apply to those of the supernatural...They cant be different.

    10. Keep presenting updated scientific and philosophical theories to the table and they keot getting ignored...

    There is plenty more........

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:45 PM ET #2295

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    So Rostos final position, as usual is "I just can't believe it happened any other way!"

    If you have infinite time any probability above zero of for an event happening means the odds of the event happening are 100%. You are truly a dumb fuck, dumb fuck, dumb fuck.

    So you are going against current and latest scientific theory that we have an infite past?

    Some of the things the atheist will say to avoid God...

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    So Rostos final position, as usual is "I just can't believe it happened any other way!"

    If you have infinite time any probability above zero of for an event happening means the odds of the event happening are 100%. You are truly a dumb fuck, dumb fuck, dumb fuck.

    So you are going against current and latest scientific theory that we have an infite past?

    Some of the things the atheist will say to avoid God...

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:46 PM ET #2296

    Let me bring some clarity to the discussion. It's a fact that books from the Bible have been taken out and certain things removed. Man has tried to play God for eons. This fact has nothing to do with the existence of God. Fact#2 it has been proven mathematically mind you that there are parallel universes. I invite you to look at past issues of American Scientific magazine or another Scientific magazine for that information.  This fact doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. It strengthens it. Somehow you guys think that because there's life on other planets, multiple Universes or bible verses being removed by man means that there is no God. I submit to you that all of these events which are True only strengthen the TRUTH that God exist regardless of whether you accept him, don't see him or cant understand the proof or evidence that you seek before you. Again I will say as Rostos and others have tried to get through your thick skulls. If you believe that this is all some sort of accident please let me sell you some prime land property in Florida. I guarantee you will love it. If it wasn't so sad it would be downright funny that grown men of average intelligence  could be this stupid and illogical. Amazing.
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    Let me bring some clarity to the discussion. It's a fact that books from the Bible have been taken out and certain things removed. Man has tried to play God for eons. This fact has nothing to do with the existence of God. Fact#2 it has been proven mathematically mind you that there are parallel universes. I invite you to look at past issues of American Scientific magazine or another Scientific magazine for that information.  This fact doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. It strengthens it. Somehow you guys think that because there's life on other planets, multiple Universes or bible verses being removed by man means that there is no God. I submit to you that all of these events which are True only strengthen the TRUTH that God exist regardless of whether you accept him, don't see him or cant understand the proof or evidence that you seek before you. Again I will say as Rostos and others have tried to get through your thick skulls. If you believe that this is all some sort of accident please let me sell you some prime land property in Florida. I guarantee you will love it. If it wasn't so sad it would be downright funny that grown men of average intelligence  could be this stupid and illogical. Amazing.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:52 PM ET #2297

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

     10 things i have learnt on this page....

    1. Aliens exist 100% proof. You need emptical evidence to show God exists but you dont need it for aliens.

    2. There are presents which have never been accounted for, meaning, a child has recieved a present somewhere which cannot be traced to a mortal human being which didnt either buy the present, donate it, steal it or make it themselves....So now the atheist is inadvertantly admitting Santa exists.

    3. The multiverse will be proven  

    4. The universe has an infinite past despite the mathematical number cannot be applied to reality AND the second law of thermodynamics must be wrong therefore much we currently know about physics is wrong because it doesnt eliminate God...

    5. All religions are the same, all of them

    6. If a Christian commits a sin, that shows God doesnt exist or Christianity is false.

    7. An atheist doesnt believe God exists, some atheists are swearing and throwing insults at God, so they are insulting something they dont believe exists.......?

    8. An atheist swears and insults God, doesnt want anything to do with God, then when explained to them that they will be away from God for eternity, they ask how God could do such a thing...

    9. if th supernatural exists, the laws of our physical world have to apply to those of the supernatural...They cant be different.

    10. Keep presenting updated scientific and philosophical theories to the table and they keot getting ignored...

    There is plenty more........

     

    Rostos this is brilliant! Absolutely brilliant. These guys can't see their own dichotomies and yet profess to be so smart. The more "proof" they show of these theories the more they should prove to themselves of God's existence but because they are scared little boys they ignore the obvious and resort to attacks and more denial or more questions to endlessly avoid what is slapping them in the face. I'm quite amused actually. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

     10 things i have learnt on this page....

    1. Aliens exist 100% proof. You need emptical evidence to show God exists but you dont need it for aliens.

    2. There are presents which have never been accounted for, meaning, a child has recieved a present somewhere which cannot be traced to a mortal human being which didnt either buy the present, donate it, steal it or make it themselves....So now the atheist is inadvertantly admitting Santa exists.

    3. The multiverse will be proven  

    4. The universe has an infinite past despite the mathematical number cannot be applied to reality AND the second law of thermodynamics must be wrong therefore much we currently know about physics is wrong because it doesnt eliminate God...

    5. All religions are the same, all of them

    6. If a Christian commits a sin, that shows God doesnt exist or Christianity is false.

    7. An atheist doesnt believe God exists, some atheists are swearing and throwing insults at God, so they are insulting something they dont believe exists.......?

    8. An atheist swears and insults God, doesnt want anything to do with God, then when explained to them that they will be away from God for eternity, they ask how God could do such a thing...

    9. if th supernatural exists, the laws of our physical world have to apply to those of the supernatural...They cant be different.

    10. Keep presenting updated scientific and philosophical theories to the table and they keot getting ignored...

    There is plenty more........

     

    Rostos this is brilliant! Absolutely brilliant. These guys can't see their own dichotomies and yet profess to be so smart. The more "proof" they show of these theories the more they should prove to themselves of God's existence but because they are scared little boys they ignore the obvious and resort to attacks and more denial or more questions to endlessly avoid what is slapping them in the face. I'm quite amused actually. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 18, 2011 - 11:58 PM ET #2298

    Mikniks- You're like the salesman that's afraid to ask for the sale. You give these wordy theories. I guess we're supposed to be impressed. Well I'm not because the more you talk the more obvious how full of crap you really are. You would go to the ends of the Earth to not admit to yourself that God is here. Yet everything that you espouse is from God but you're too smart to realize it. Did the whole Santa thing break you permanently. Did you refuse to believe in anything else once Mommy broke the sad news to you. Seriously how do you hang on to your sanity with such twisted and mobile ethics and values. Very sad actually. This is why I feel like you're a reprobate.  
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    Mikniks- You're like the salesman that's afraid to ask for the sale. You give these wordy theories. I guess we're supposed to be impressed. Well I'm not because the more you talk the more obvious how full of crap you really are. You would go to the ends of the Earth to not admit to yourself that God is here. Yet everything that you espouse is from God but you're too smart to realize it. Did the whole Santa thing break you permanently. Did you refuse to believe in anything else once Mommy broke the sad news to you. Seriously how do you hang on to your sanity with such twisted and mobile ethics and values. Very sad actually. This is why I feel like you're a reprobate.  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 12:03 AM ET #2299

    Kim Jong II found out about God tonight. We know that communist country's don't believe in God as a matter of policy. I guarantee you Kim Jong is no longer an atheist. That's the thing all you atheist don't realize. The argument will be settled. That's why you guys get bent out of shape and we don't. Like the old Rolling Stones song "Time is on my side" Sooner or later you will be confronted with the lie that you have believed your entire adult life.
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    Kim Jong II found out about God tonight. We know that communist country's don't believe in God as a matter of policy. I guarantee you Kim Jong is no longer an atheist. That's the thing all you atheist don't realize. The argument will be settled. That's why you guys get bent out of shape and we don't. Like the old Rolling Stones song "Time is on my side" Sooner or later you will be confronted with the lie that you have believed your entire adult life.
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 12:31 AM ET #2300

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Mikniks- You're like the salesman that's afraid to ask for the sale. You give these wordy theories. I guess we're supposed to be impressed. Well I'm not because the more you talk the more obvious how full of crap you really are. You would go to the ends of the Earth to not admit to yourself that God is here. Yet everything that you espouse is from God but you're too smart to realize it. Did the whole Santa thing break you permanently. Did you refuse to believe in anything else once Mommy broke the sad news to you. Seriously how do you hang on to your sanity with such twisted and mobile ethics and values. Very sad actually. This is why I feel like you're a reprobate.  

    I apologize for the big words.  I forgot who I was talking to...

    You have absolutely no grasp of logic.  You believe in god because it is convenient.  Your argument for the existence of god is "well duh theres a god guys!"

    You think god communicates with you through signs?  Are you the type of person who sees his birthday hit in a lotto somewhere and think it is a sign?  Everything on this earth is completely random.

    Anyway, I ask you this: If your god is a forgiving god, wouldn't he just forgive me for using the brain he gave me to use the evidence at hand to deduce that there is no god?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Mikniks- You're like the salesman that's afraid to ask for the sale. You give these wordy theories. I guess we're supposed to be impressed. Well I'm not because the more you talk the more obvious how full of crap you really are. You would go to the ends of the Earth to not admit to yourself that God is here. Yet everything that you espouse is from God but you're too smart to realize it. Did the whole Santa thing break you permanently. Did you refuse to believe in anything else once Mommy broke the sad news to you. Seriously how do you hang on to your sanity with such twisted and mobile ethics and values. Very sad actually. This is why I feel like you're a reprobate.  

    I apologize for the big words.  I forgot who I was talking to...

    You have absolutely no grasp of logic.  You believe in god because it is convenient.  Your argument for the existence of god is "well duh theres a god guys!"

    You think god communicates with you through signs?  Are you the type of person who sees his birthday hit in a lotto somewhere and think it is a sign?  Everything on this earth is completely random.

    Anyway, I ask you this: If your god is a forgiving god, wouldn't he just forgive me for using the brain he gave me to use the evidence at hand to deduce that there is no god?
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