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    SirJohnDrake
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 2:32 AM ET #2301

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    The idea that other universes - as well as our own - lie within "bubbles" of space and time has received a boost.

    What!...bubbles?...lol  Your buddy miknut said it was "aliens" (bacteria)...now it's bubbles?...lol

    Hey pal, put away the sci-fi movies will ya?

    My good advice to you is to start reading the Holy Bible...it is the Word of God!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    The idea that other universes - as well as our own - lie within "bubbles" of space and time has received a boost.

    What!...bubbles?...lol  Your buddy miknut said it was "aliens" (bacteria)...now it's bubbles?...lol

    Hey pal, put away the sci-fi movies will ya?

    My good advice to you is to start reading the Holy Bible...it is the Word of God!...

     
    SirJohnDrake
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 5:27 AM ET #2302

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


     If your god is a forgiving god, wouldn't he just forgive me for using the brain he gave me to use the evidence at hand to deduce that there is no god?

    Let me re-word your question another way because basicly it is really the same thing, when you deduce there is no God you are in essence saying you are rejecting Jesus Christ as your Lord Savior because of your non-belief due to your brains not accepting the evidences at hand given to you.

    This statement by you is kinda like you are saying it should not be your fault if you're wrong, it's God's fault for giving you brains (smart ones) that made the right choice given the evidence, so God how can you punish me when you supposed to be a forgiving God and it was your fault for giving me brains (smart ones)?...lol...well I'm sorry to say that excuse won't work and I will explain below.

    So this is your question re-worded: Since Jesus already paid for everyone's sins, why doesn't God forgive people who reject Jesus?

    First off I know I answered a statement by you, that is similar in nature by what you are asking now, your statement was: "He is an all good god, but also punishes people... Yea thats not contradictory..."

    I gave you an answer on pg. 55 #1350 but it appears you may have forgotten it, or perhaps didn't like the answer so you are asking it again.

    One point I want to make before I give you another answer which will be different from the first answer, but with the same general message.

    I've noticed numerous times that non-believers such as yourself seem to always ask the same questions over and over, this has been a pattern that baffles me at times. I'm thinking like I said above, maybe you forgot the answer or you just didn't like the answer...I just don't know what it is.

    My suggestion would be to print it out and keep it in some kind of log book or something. We believers are trying to help you non-believers into believing to help you to be saved someday.

    Ok let me give you another explanation but again as I've said, it has the same general message which is you must accept Jesus in order to be saved.


    It all comes down to what happens when you get forgiven, its much more than just having the slate wiped clean. Lets start from the beginning. When you become a Christian:

    1. The Holy Spirit makes you into a new creation (2 Cor 5:17) and unites you to Christ. This means:
    - all the benefits of Christ’s Sonship become yours as you become a co-heir (Rom 8:17), including eternal life.
    - now you can address God as ‘Father’ (Rom 8:15, Gal 4:6).

    2. Another of those benefits is Jesus’ righteousness, which is credited to you as a gift. In return, Jesus takes your guilt. (2 Cor 5:21, Rom 3:21-22).

    3. Because of these things, you are forgiven and declared to be righteous before God (Rom 5:1).

    So, you see, its not just forgiveness. The mechanism by which you are declared to be righteous before God is because you are united with Christ, meaning that he can bear the punishment you deserve, and you can be credited with his righteousness.

    The thing is, if you reject Jesus then you are doing more than saying ‘no’ to God’s forgiveness - something we might imagine God would forgive. You are actually rejecting the only means by which you can be saved (Hebrews 2:1-3).

    Jesus didn’t just die so that sinners could be forgiven. He died the death that sinners deserve, for those sinners who are united to him in that event (Rom 6:1-10), meaning that his resurrection is ours too if we are united to him. This is how you get eternal life.

    I know this sounds a bit complicated, but its actually fairly simple. One famous theologian, Martin Luther, compared it to a marriage.

    When two people are married, you can’t punish one of them without punishing the other. If you put one in jail, the other still suffers. If you fine one, the other bears the financial cost as well. The relationship is too close to separate them. Similarly, if you reward one then the other is honored as well.

    Now marriage is an imperfect analogy, but it does help us to understand the picture. Christ’s death only ‘works’ for us if we are so close to him that his suffering becomes our suffering, his death our death, and his resurrection our resurrection.

    In this way he bears our guilt, and in this way we share his life. That means you can’t be forgiven for rejecting Jesus, because there is simply no way that that forgiveness could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


     If your god is a forgiving god, wouldn't he just forgive me for using the brain he gave me to use the evidence at hand to deduce that there is no god?

    Let me re-word your question another way because basicly it is really the same thing, when you deduce there is no God you are in essence saying you are rejecting Jesus Christ as your Lord Savior because of your non-belief due to your brains not accepting the evidences at hand given to you.

    This statement by you is kinda like you are saying it should not be your fault if you're wrong, it's God's fault for giving you brains (smart ones) that made the right choice given the evidence, so God how can you punish me when you supposed to be a forgiving God and it was your fault for giving me brains (smart ones)?...lol...well I'm sorry to say that excuse won't work and I will explain below.

    So this is your question re-worded: Since Jesus already paid for everyone's sins, why doesn't God forgive people who reject Jesus?

    First off I know I answered a statement by you, that is similar in nature by what you are asking now, your statement was: "He is an all good god, but also punishes people... Yea thats not contradictory..."

    I gave you an answer on pg. 55 #1350 but it appears you may have forgotten it, or perhaps didn't like the answer so you are asking it again.

    One point I want to make before I give you another answer which will be different from the first answer, but with the same general message.

    I've noticed numerous times that non-believers such as yourself seem to always ask the same questions over and over, this has been a pattern that baffles me at times. I'm thinking like I said above, maybe you forgot the answer or you just didn't like the answer...I just don't know what it is.

    My suggestion would be to print it out and keep it in some kind of log book or something. We believers are trying to help you non-believers into believing to help you to be saved someday.

    Ok let me give you another explanation but again as I've said, it has the same general message which is you must accept Jesus in order to be saved.


    It all comes down to what happens when you get forgiven, its much more than just having the slate wiped clean. Lets start from the beginning. When you become a Christian:

    1. The Holy Spirit makes you into a new creation (2 Cor 5:17) and unites you to Christ. This means:
    - all the benefits of Christ’s Sonship become yours as you become a co-heir (Rom 8:17), including eternal life.
    - now you can address God as ‘Father’ (Rom 8:15, Gal 4:6).

    2. Another of those benefits is Jesus’ righteousness, which is credited to you as a gift. In return, Jesus takes your guilt. (2 Cor 5:21, Rom 3:21-22).

    3. Because of these things, you are forgiven and declared to be righteous before God (Rom 5:1).

    So, you see, its not just forgiveness. The mechanism by which you are declared to be righteous before God is because you are united with Christ, meaning that he can bear the punishment you deserve, and you can be credited with his righteousness.

    The thing is, if you reject Jesus then you are doing more than saying ‘no’ to God’s forgiveness - something we might imagine God would forgive. You are actually rejecting the only means by which you can be saved (Hebrews 2:1-3).

    Jesus didn’t just die so that sinners could be forgiven. He died the death that sinners deserve, for those sinners who are united to him in that event (Rom 6:1-10), meaning that his resurrection is ours too if we are united to him. This is how you get eternal life.

    I know this sounds a bit complicated, but its actually fairly simple. One famous theologian, Martin Luther, compared it to a marriage.

    When two people are married, you can’t punish one of them without punishing the other. If you put one in jail, the other still suffers. If you fine one, the other bears the financial cost as well. The relationship is too close to separate them. Similarly, if you reward one then the other is honored as well.

    Now marriage is an imperfect analogy, but it does help us to understand the picture. Christ’s death only ‘works’ for us if we are so close to him that his suffering becomes our suffering, his death our death, and his resurrection our resurrection.

    In this way he bears our guilt, and in this way we share his life. That means you can’t be forgiven for rejecting Jesus, because there is simply no way that that forgiveness could happen.

     
    Mikniks
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 5:41 AM ET #2303

    SJD...  I'm well aware I have asked this before.  I wanted to see what smooth thought about it.  I don't need your bs excuses as to why its ok for god to be a prick...
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    SJD...  I'm well aware I have asked this before.  I wanted to see what smooth thought about it.  I don't need your bs excuses as to why its ok for god to be a prick...
     
    SirJohnDrake
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 6:05 AM ET #2304

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    SJD...  I'm well aware I have asked this before.  I wanted to see what smooth thought about it.  I don't need your bs excuses as to why its ok for god to be a prick...

    Look I already know just by all your responses, you will never be changed or saved. So with that said, it is your choice. You might think they are all bs now but when the time comes be prepared.

    Just always remember your friend SirJohnDrake tried to help you and you always refused my help. But nevertheless I'm here until this thread finally goes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    SJD...  I'm well aware I have asked this before.  I wanted to see what smooth thought about it.  I don't need your bs excuses as to why its ok for god to be a prick...

    Look I already know just by all your responses, you will never be changed or saved. So with that said, it is your choice. You might think they are all bs now but when the time comes be prepared.

    Just always remember your friend SirJohnDrake tried to help you and you always refused my help. But nevertheless I'm here until this thread finally goes away.

     
    boberts427
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 10:15 AM ET #2305

    im being ignored, im done here

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    im being ignored, im done here

     
    KittyKatz286
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 2:01 PM ET #2306

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

     10 things i have learnt on this page....

    1. Aliens exist 100% proof. You need emptical evidence to show God exists but you dont need it for aliens.

    We have empirical evidence. 0/1

    2. There are presents which have never been accounted for, meaning, a child has recieved a present somewhere which cannot be traced to a mortal human being which didnt either buy the present, donate it, steal it or make it themselves....So now the atheist is inadvertantly admitting Santa exists.

    Immaterial to the point. Focusing on the specific example as opposed the overriding message the example is for. 0/2

    3. The multiverse will be proven  

    No one said this. 0/3

    4. The universe has an infinite past despite the mathematical number cannot be applied to reality AND the second law of thermodynamics must be wrong therefore much we currently know about physics is wrong because it doesnt eliminate God...

    It doesn't strengthen god either. 0/4

    5. All religions are the same, all of them

    Correct. They are all equally false. 1/5

    6. If a Christian commits a sin, that shows God doesnt exist or Christianity is false.

    No one said this. You are creating a nonexistent link between a statement and a conclusion. 1/6

    7. An atheist doesnt believe God exists, some atheists are swearing and throwing insults at God, so they are insulting something they dont believe exists.......?

    Whenever we say things about god, we are speaking hypothetically. If he did exist, then x...clearly you don't understand hypotheticals. Go look it up. 1/7

    8. An atheist swears and insults God, doesnt want anything to do with God, then when explained to them that they will be away from God for eternity, they ask how God could do such a thing...

    See above. 1/8

    9. if th supernatural exists, the laws of our physical world have to apply to those of the supernatural...They cant be different.

    They can be different. No one is challenging this. We are challenging the existence of "imaginationland" entirely. 1/9

    10. Keep presenting updated scientific and philosophical theories to the table and they keot getting ignored...

    Just like the questions I pose that keep getting ignored. Nice try hypocrite. 1/10

    There is plenty more........

     


    1 out of 10 aint bad...might get you a spot on the mets this year lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

     10 things i have learnt on this page....

    1. Aliens exist 100% proof. You need emptical evidence to show God exists but you dont need it for aliens.

    We have empirical evidence. 0/1

    2. There are presents which have never been accounted for, meaning, a child has recieved a present somewhere which cannot be traced to a mortal human being which didnt either buy the present, donate it, steal it or make it themselves....So now the atheist is inadvertantly admitting Santa exists.

    Immaterial to the point. Focusing on the specific example as opposed the overriding message the example is for. 0/2

    3. The multiverse will be proven  

    No one said this. 0/3

    4. The universe has an infinite past despite the mathematical number cannot be applied to reality AND the second law of thermodynamics must be wrong therefore much we currently know about physics is wrong because it doesnt eliminate God...

    It doesn't strengthen god either. 0/4

    5. All religions are the same, all of them

    Correct. They are all equally false. 1/5

    6. If a Christian commits a sin, that shows God doesnt exist or Christianity is false.

    No one said this. You are creating a nonexistent link between a statement and a conclusion. 1/6

    7. An atheist doesnt believe God exists, some atheists are swearing and throwing insults at God, so they are insulting something they dont believe exists.......?

    Whenever we say things about god, we are speaking hypothetically. If he did exist, then x...clearly you don't understand hypotheticals. Go look it up. 1/7

    8. An atheist swears and insults God, doesnt want anything to do with God, then when explained to them that they will be away from God for eternity, they ask how God could do such a thing...

    See above. 1/8

    9. if th supernatural exists, the laws of our physical world have to apply to those of the supernatural...They cant be different.

    They can be different. No one is challenging this. We are challenging the existence of "imaginationland" entirely. 1/9

    10. Keep presenting updated scientific and philosophical theories to the table and they keot getting ignored...

    Just like the questions I pose that keep getting ignored. Nice try hypocrite. 1/10

    There is plenty more........

     


    1 out of 10 aint bad...might get you a spot on the mets this year lol
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 2:17 PM ET #2307

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Let me bring some clarity to the discussion. It's a fact that books from the Bible have been taken out and certain things removed. Man has tried to play God for eons. This fact has nothing to do with the existence of God. (So if you admit that it's been changed by man, how can you possibly trust ANYTHING in there?)


     Fact#2 it has been proven mathematically mind you that there are parallel universes. I invite you to look at past issues of American Scientific magazine or another Scientific magazine for that information.  This fact doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. It strengthens it. Somehow you guys think that because there's life on other planets, multiple Universes or bible verses being removed by man means that there is no God. I submit to you that all of these events which are True only strengthen the TRUTH that God exist regardless of whether you accept him, don't see him or cant understand the proof or evidence that you seek before you. (I think this is my favorite thing about religious fanatics. When science begins to poke holes in religion, you scramble to twist these discoveries to once again STRENGTHEN your beliefs about the world. When dinosaurs were discovered, you raced to show that dinosaurs were reference. I missed the passage in the Bible about anitmatter though)

     Again I will say as Rostos and others have tried to get through your thick skulls. If you believe that this is all some sort of accident please let me sell you some prime land property in Florida. I guarantee you will love it. If it wasn't so sad it would be downright funny that grown men of average intelligence  could be this stupid and illogical. Amazing.
    (So you admit that the Bible has been altered, yet you still believe it. You admit that science is changing the way we view the world, yet you still cling to everything you think you know)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Let me bring some clarity to the discussion. It's a fact that books from the Bible have been taken out and certain things removed. Man has tried to play God for eons. This fact has nothing to do with the existence of God. (So if you admit that it's been changed by man, how can you possibly trust ANYTHING in there?)


     Fact#2 it has been proven mathematically mind you that there are parallel universes. I invite you to look at past issues of American Scientific magazine or another Scientific magazine for that information.  This fact doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. It strengthens it. Somehow you guys think that because there's life on other planets, multiple Universes or bible verses being removed by man means that there is no God. I submit to you that all of these events which are True only strengthen the TRUTH that God exist regardless of whether you accept him, don't see him or cant understand the proof or evidence that you seek before you. (I think this is my favorite thing about religious fanatics. When science begins to poke holes in religion, you scramble to twist these discoveries to once again STRENGTHEN your beliefs about the world. When dinosaurs were discovered, you raced to show that dinosaurs were reference. I missed the passage in the Bible about anitmatter though)

     Again I will say as Rostos and others have tried to get through your thick skulls. If you believe that this is all some sort of accident please let me sell you some prime land property in Florida. I guarantee you will love it. If it wasn't so sad it would be downright funny that grown men of average intelligence  could be this stupid and illogical. Amazing.
    (So you admit that the Bible has been altered, yet you still believe it. You admit that science is changing the way we view the world, yet you still cling to everything you think you know)

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 2:21 PM ET #2308

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of 1010123 to 1."


    Pop quiz Rostos!

    What happens in probability when you have infinite trials of an event in which the chance of occurrence is greater than 0?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of 1010123 to 1."


    Pop quiz Rostos!

    What happens in probability when you have infinite trials of an event in which the chance of occurrence is greater than 0?
     
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    This is absolutely hilarious... I saw that Rostos quoted the Borde, Guth and Vilenkin model as helping to substantiate your claim that the universe/multiverse had an absolute beginning. There's just one real problem with that claim, and here it is from the MOUTHS of the scientists who ESTABLISHED IT:

    "I'm not claiming to say for sure that I? know whether or not there's a beginning" - Guth

    "Still the question remains; what happened before the inflation, if anything? And it appears that a satisfactory answer can never be given because I can keep asking what happened before." - Vilenkin

    "I have never seen much in the idea that the universe was designed" - Guth


    Oops...


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    This is absolutely hilarious... I saw that Rostos quoted the Borde, Guth and Vilenkin model as helping to substantiate your claim that the universe/multiverse had an absolute beginning. There's just one real problem with that claim, and here it is from the MOUTHS of the scientists who ESTABLISHED IT:

    "I'm not claiming to say for sure that I? know whether or not there's a beginning" - Guth

    "Still the question remains; what happened before the inflation, if anything? And it appears that a satisfactory answer can never be given because I can keep asking what happened before." - Vilenkin

    "I have never seen much in the idea that the universe was designed" - Guth


    Oops...


     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 7:47 PM ET #2310

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    This is absolutely hilarious... I saw that Rostos quoted the Borde, Guth and Vilenkin model as helping to substantiate your claim that the universe/multiverse had an absolute beginning. There's just one real problem with that claim, and here it is from the MOUTHS of the scientists who ESTABLISHED IT:

    "I'm not claiming to say for sure that I? know whether or not there's a beginning" - Guth

    "Still the question remains; what happened before the inflation, if anything? And it appears that a satisfactory answer can never be given because I can keep asking what happened before." - Vilenkin

    "I have never seen much in the idea that the universe was designed" - Guth


    Oops...


    "It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."

    - Alexander Vilenkin


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    This is absolutely hilarious... I saw that Rostos quoted the Borde, Guth and Vilenkin model as helping to substantiate your claim that the universe/multiverse had an absolute beginning. There's just one real problem with that claim, and here it is from the MOUTHS of the scientists who ESTABLISHED IT:

    "I'm not claiming to say for sure that I? know whether or not there's a beginning" - Guth

    "Still the question remains; what happened before the inflation, if anything? And it appears that a satisfactory answer can never be given because I can keep asking what happened before." - Vilenkin

    "I have never seen much in the idea that the universe was designed" - Guth


    Oops...


    "It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."

    - Alexander Vilenkin


     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 7:55 PM ET #2311

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:



    Pop quiz Rostos!

    What happens in probability when you have infinite trials of an event in which the chance of occurrence is greater than 0?

    Hey pop quiz....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lobeX6ft6PA

    Just a quick lesson that the number infinity cannot exist...

    Funny how atheists have to go against scientific and mathematic evidence to try and eliminate God.

    Watch and LEARN - Great mathematician Hilbert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:



    Pop quiz Rostos!

    What happens in probability when you have infinite trials of an event in which the chance of occurrence is greater than 0?

    Hey pop quiz....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lobeX6ft6PA

    Just a quick lesson that the number infinity cannot exist...

    Funny how atheists have to go against scientific and mathematic evidence to try and eliminate God.

    Watch and LEARN - Great mathematician Hilbert.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 7:56 PM ET #2312

    And so do you Rostos, so do you.
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    And so do you Rostos, so do you.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 7:57 PM ET #2313

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey pop quiz....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lobeX6ft6PA

    Just a quick lesson that the number infinity cannot exist...

    Funny how atheists have to go against scientific and mathematic evidence to try and eliminate God.

    Watch and LEARN - Great mathematician Hilbert.


    Once again you completely miss the point. You are so stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Hey pop quiz....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lobeX6ft6PA

    Just a quick lesson that the number infinity cannot exist...

    Funny how atheists have to go against scientific and mathematic evidence to try and eliminate God.

    Watch and LEARN - Great mathematician Hilbert.


    Once again you completely miss the point. You are so stupid.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 8:09 PM ET #2314

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    1 out of 10 aint bad...might get you a spot on the mets this year lol

    1. So now we have emprical evidence exist? Show me this empirical evidence?

    2. It is not my problem that due to your illogical stetement that yoy have inadvertantly suggested Santa actually exists....

    3. I believe Mikmicks asked what i am going to do when the multiverse is proven true.

    4. No, it doesnt prove the Christian God, but it proves naturalism false.

    5. All religions are false huh? And you have empricial evidence to show that Christianiy is false?

    6. Many people here have lambasted me for gambling on sport. Nuff said.

    7. I dont know about you, but i dont make comments about pink elephants that fly at 30,000 feet.

    8. See 7

    9. oh, and people have never asked then who made God?

    10. Which question is thatt?

    Ignorance is bliss......

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    1 out of 10 aint bad...might get you a spot on the mets this year lol

    1. So now we have emprical evidence exist? Show me this empirical evidence?

    2. It is not my problem that due to your illogical stetement that yoy have inadvertantly suggested Santa actually exists....

    3. I believe Mikmicks asked what i am going to do when the multiverse is proven true.

    4. No, it doesnt prove the Christian God, but it proves naturalism false.

    5. All religions are false huh? And you have empricial evidence to show that Christianiy is false?

    6. Many people here have lambasted me for gambling on sport. Nuff said.

    7. I dont know about you, but i dont make comments about pink elephants that fly at 30,000 feet.

    8. See 7

    9. oh, and people have never asked then who made God?

    10. Which question is thatt?

    Ignorance is bliss......

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 8:12 PM ET #2315

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    Once again you completely miss the point. You are so stupid.

    Because i agree with one of the great mathematicians of our time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    Once again you completely miss the point. You are so stupid.

    Because i agree with one of the great mathematicians of our time?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 8:19 PM ET #2316

    Because you are attacking the term "infinity" as opposed the point which is that if (i won't use infinity) 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 big bangs occur, penrose's number is almost certain to happen once.
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    Because you are attacking the term "infinity" as opposed the point which is that if (i won't use infinity) 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 big bangs occur, penrose's number is almost certain to happen once.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 8:31 PM ET #2317

    Penrose's figure is about life beginning on earth by chance, not the universe bginning by chance.......
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    Penrose's figure is about life beginning on earth by chance, not the universe bginning by chance.......
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 8:42 PM ET #2318

    right but it refers to earth - life didn't have to evolve on earth...it could've been any planet
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    right but it refers to earth - life didn't have to evolve on earth...it could've been any planet
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 10:07 PM ET #2319

    Love it Rostos... illustrated all my points... COMPLETELY ignored the three quotes provided by the very scientists who INVENTED the theorem that YOU cite yourself, and you glaze over it like anyone losing an argument would. Once again, you miss the point like an absolute moron about infinity. You don't understand theoreticals and analogies and treat them like reality. You're just plain stupid. I'm sorry. That's all there is to it
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    Love it Rostos... illustrated all my points... COMPLETELY ignored the three quotes provided by the very scientists who INVENTED the theorem that YOU cite yourself, and you glaze over it like anyone losing an argument would. Once again, you miss the point like an absolute moron about infinity. You don't understand theoreticals and analogies and treat them like reality. You're just plain stupid. I'm sorry. That's all there is to it
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2011 - 10:08 PM ET #2320

    "I'm not claiming to say for sure that I? know whether or not there's a beginning" - Guth

    "Still the question remains; what happened before the inflation, if anything? And it appears that a satisfactory answer can never be given because I can keep asking what happened before." - Vilenkin

    "I have never seen much in the idea that the universe was designed" - Guth

    Reply
    "I'm not claiming to say for sure that I? know whether or not there's a beginning" - Guth

    "Still the question remains; what happened before the inflation, if anything? And it appears that a satisfactory answer can never be given because I can keep asking what happened before." - Vilenkin

    "I have never seen much in the idea that the universe was designed" - Guth

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    Love it Rostos... illustrated all my points... COMPLETELY ignored the three quotes provided by the very scientists who INVENTED the theorem that YOU cite yourself, and you glaze over it like anyone losing an argument would. Once again, you miss the point like an absolute moron about infinity. You don't understand theoreticals and analogies and treat them like reality. You're just plain stupid. I'm sorry. That's all there is to it

     cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."

    Alexander Vilenkin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarbear19:

    Love it Rostos... illustrated all my points... COMPLETELY ignored the three quotes provided by the very scientists who INVENTED the theorem that YOU cite yourself, and you glaze over it like anyone losing an argument would. Once again, you miss the point like an absolute moron about infinity. You don't understand theoreticals and analogies and treat them like reality. You're just plain stupid. I'm sorry. That's all there is to it

     cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape: they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."

    Alexander Vilenkin

     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2011 - 1:02 AM ET #2322

    Keep clinging to that last bit of hope Rostos.
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    Keep clinging to that last bit of hope Rostos.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Keep clinging to that last bit of hope Rostos.

    Where is that emprical evidence that aliens exist?

    The world leaders are waiting for your proof..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Keep clinging to that last bit of hope Rostos.

    Where is that emprical evidence that aliens exist?

    The world leaders are waiting for your proof..

     
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    We don't need empirical evidence. The likelihood that earth is the only planet with life is so incredibly low. I mean this has no effect on whether god exists or not, but just in general, there is probably other life out there. It's simple probability. Given the incredibly vast size of the universe, and the trillions upon trillions of planets, it is arrogant to think we are the only ones with life.
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    We don't need empirical evidence. The likelihood that earth is the only planet with life is so incredibly low. I mean this has no effect on whether god exists or not, but just in general, there is probably other life out there. It's simple probability. Given the incredibly vast size of the universe, and the trillions upon trillions of planets, it is arrogant to think we are the only ones with life.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Where is that emprical evidence that aliens exist?

    The world leaders are waiting for your proof..



    Rostos' understanding of probability
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Where is that emprical evidence that aliens exist?

    The world leaders are waiting for your proof..



    Rostos' understanding of probability
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