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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:35 AM ET #4826

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    PLEASE WATCH AND LEARN

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4w_8Z8SE_4&feature=related

    We arent arguing WHAT MORALS should be, that is not in our discussion. This discussion is about CLASSIFYING morals....

    Furthermore, Dawkins is contradicting himself...He wants to say absolutes dont exist, but he wants to create them...

    Cmon man, i thought you have learnt something by now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    PLEASE WATCH AND LEARN

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4w_8Z8SE_4&feature=related

    We arent arguing WHAT MORALS should be, that is not in our discussion. This discussion is about CLASSIFYING morals....

    Furthermore, Dawkins is contradicting himself...He wants to say absolutes dont exist, but he wants to create them...

    Cmon man, i thought you have learnt something by now

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:36 AM ET #4827

    Rostos -

    POST 4826.

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    Rostos -

    POST 4826.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:37 AM ET #4828

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Rostos -

    Your views are wrong based on my subjective morality.

    I dont know what else to say.  I wish we could have a discussion about the merits of the concept - but we cant even agree on the definition.  It is a shame.

    The ONLY ANSWER you have is "Rostos, I DONT AGREE WITH YOU, YOU ARE NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG, AND I AM NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG"

    You are even disagreeing with the definition provided?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Rostos -

    Your views are wrong based on my subjective morality.

    I dont know what else to say.  I wish we could have a discussion about the merits of the concept - but we cant even agree on the definition.  It is a shame.

    The ONLY ANSWER you have is "Rostos, I DONT AGREE WITH YOU, YOU ARE NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG, AND I AM NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG"

    You are even disagreeing with the definition provided?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:38 AM ET #4829

    Rostos -

    IS MURDER MORALLY WORSE THAN A LIE?

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    Rostos -

    IS MURDER MORALLY WORSE THAN A LIE?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:40 AM ET #4830

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Furthermore, Dawkins is contradicting himself...He wants to say absolutes dont exist, but he wants to create them...



    That wouldn't be a contradiction at all.  Why do you struggle with these definitions?

    X does not exist.  I want to create X.  This would not be a contradiction...


    But that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.  I just wanted to point out that you do not know what a contradiction is.  That is all.  Good day sir...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Furthermore, Dawkins is contradicting himself...He wants to say absolutes dont exist, but he wants to create them...



    That wouldn't be a contradiction at all.  Why do you struggle with these definitions?

    X does not exist.  I want to create X.  This would not be a contradiction...


    But that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.  I just wanted to point out that you do not know what a contradiction is.  That is all.  Good day sir...
     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:40 AM ET #4831

    The ONLY ANSWER you have is "Rostos, I DONT AGREE WITH YOU, YOU ARE NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG, AND I AM NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG"

    You are even disagreeing with the definition provided?

    I am going to say this for the last time.  You keep making these strawman statements, and that makes things very tedious.

    You are wrong based on my subjective morality.

    That is my answer.  Dont tell me my answer is different, stop misquoting me.

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    The ONLY ANSWER you have is "Rostos, I DONT AGREE WITH YOU, YOU ARE NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG, AND I AM NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG"

    You are even disagreeing with the definition provided?

    I am going to say this for the last time.  You keep making these strawman statements, and that makes things very tedious.

    You are wrong based on my subjective morality.

    That is my answer.  Dont tell me my answer is different, stop misquoting me.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:41 AM ET #4832

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Rostos -

    IS MURDER MORALLY WORSE THAN A LIE?



    He isn't going to answer you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Rostos -

    IS MURDER MORALLY WORSE THAN A LIE?



    He isn't going to answer you...
     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:42 AM ET #4833

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Here is a video for you Rostos.

    Watch and learn (quoting you)

    I watched yours, try watching this and let me know your thoughts.

     

    Oh dear, really?

    Of course you are going to say Objective morality doesnt exist if you presuppose naturlalism...

    Objective morals are provided from an objective law giver - GOD

    If you presuppose naturalism , then there is no objective law giver. The main proofs arrive from God, but if you dont believe God then you believe morals are subjective....

    What a flawed video, because itr is full of pressupositions

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Here is a video for you Rostos.

    Watch and learn (quoting you)

    I watched yours, try watching this and let me know your thoughts.

     

    Oh dear, really?

    Of course you are going to say Objective morality doesnt exist if you presuppose naturlalism...

    Objective morals are provided from an objective law giver - GOD

    If you presuppose naturalism , then there is no objective law giver. The main proofs arrive from God, but if you dont believe God then you believe morals are subjective....

    What a flawed video, because itr is full of pressupositions

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:43 AM ET #4834

    Relax with the other questions , they are coming...There is one of me and 2 of you....relax...
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    Relax with the other questions , they are coming...There is one of me and 2 of you....relax...
     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:44 AM ET #4835

    Every Christian on earth:

    "The bible is up for interpretation, and I know the correct interpretation."

     

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    Every Christian on earth:

    "The bible is up for interpretation, and I know the correct interpretation."

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:44 AM ET #4836

    So Vaznack says what is popular opinion determines what is right or wrong....

    THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD BELIEVE IN A HIGHER / SUPREME Being...

    Does that mean they are right?

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    So Vaznack says what is popular opinion determines what is right or wrong....

    THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD BELIEVE IN A HIGHER / SUPREME Being...

    Does that mean they are right?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:45 AM ET #4837

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Oh dear, really?

    Of course you are going to say Objective morality doesnt exist if you presuppose naturlalism...

    Objective morals are provided from an objective law giver - GOD

    If you presuppose naturalism , then there is no objective law giver. The main proofs arrive from God, but if you dont believe God then you believe morals are subjective....

    What a flawed video, because itr is full of pressupositions

     

    I was pointing out the futility of linking opinion pieces as factual.

    You did it, and my response was to prove a point.  I will take it as a point proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Oh dear, really?

    Of course you are going to say Objective morality doesnt exist if you presuppose naturlalism...

    Objective morals are provided from an objective law giver - GOD

    If you presuppose naturalism , then there is no objective law giver. The main proofs arrive from God, but if you dont believe God then you believe morals are subjective....

    What a flawed video, because itr is full of pressupositions

     

    I was pointing out the futility of linking opinion pieces as factual.

    You did it, and my response was to prove a point.  I will take it as a point proven.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:46 AM ET #4838

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So Vaznack says what is popular opinion determines what is right or wrong....

    THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD BELIEVE IN A HIGHER / SUPREME Being...

    Does that mean they are right?

    Rostos -

    I have answered and responded to every one of your posts this evening.

    I will answer this one when you answer posts 4826 and 4836.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So Vaznack says what is popular opinion determines what is right or wrong....

    THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD BELIEVE IN A HIGHER / SUPREME Being...

    Does that mean they are right?

    Rostos -

    I have answered and responded to every one of your posts this evening.

    I will answer this one when you answer posts 4826 and 4836.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:48 AM ET #4839

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Rostos -

    I have answered and responded to every one of your posts this evening.

    I will answer this one when you answer posts 4826 and 4836.

    once you answer this, i will answer the others....

    Cmon Vaz, the majority or popular belief determines what is right or wrong...The majority of the world believe in a higher being or supreme being, surely they are right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Rostos -

    I have answered and responded to every one of your posts this evening.

    I will answer this one when you answer posts 4826 and 4836.

    once you answer this, i will answer the others....

    Cmon Vaz, the majority or popular belief determines what is right or wrong...The majority of the world believe in a higher being or supreme being, surely they are right?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:50 AM ET #4840

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    That wouldn't be a contradiction at all.  Why do you struggle with these definitions?

    X does not exist.  I want to create X.  This would not be a contradiction...


    But that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.  I just wanted to point out that you do not know what a contradiction is.  That is all.  Good day sir...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    That wouldn't be a contradiction at all.  Why do you struggle with these definitions?

    X does not exist.  I want to create X.  This would not be a contradiction...


    But that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.  I just wanted to point out that you do not know what a contradiction is.  That is all.  Good day sir...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:51 AM ET #4841

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So Vaznack says what is popular opinion determines what is right or wrong....

    THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD BELIEVE IN A HIGHER / SUPREME Being...

    Does that mean they are right?

    I cant resist.

    You have a real problem with the difference between concepts of facts and concepts of morality.

    This is not a morality issue.  Just because you use the word "right or wrong" doesnt make it an issue of morality.  The words right or wrong can be used also to determine factuality such as "water is made up of H2O" is right not wrong.  The statement that water is H2O is not a moral issue.

    If the prevailing morality of society deemed that belief in god was mandatory, then I would be seen as wrong by that subjective morality to not believe in god.  Can we get passed these repetitive questions about the concept and move on to validity?  Jeesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So Vaznack says what is popular opinion determines what is right or wrong....

    THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD BELIEVE IN A HIGHER / SUPREME Being...

    Does that mean they are right?

    I cant resist.

    You have a real problem with the difference between concepts of facts and concepts of morality.

    This is not a morality issue.  Just because you use the word "right or wrong" doesnt make it an issue of morality.  The words right or wrong can be used also to determine factuality such as "water is made up of H2O" is right not wrong.  The statement that water is H2O is not a moral issue.

    If the prevailing morality of society deemed that belief in god was mandatory, then I would be seen as wrong by that subjective morality to not believe in god.  Can we get passed these repetitive questions about the concept and move on to validity?  Jeesh.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:52 AM ET #4842

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    once you answer this, i will answer the others....

    Cmon Vaz, the majority or popular belief determines what is right or wrong...The majority of the world believe in a higher being or supreme being, surely they are right?

    I will wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    once you answer this, i will answer the others....

    Cmon Vaz, the majority or popular belief determines what is right or wrong...The majority of the world believe in a higher being or supreme being, surely they are right?

    I will wait.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:54 AM ET #4843

    4826 and 4836

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    4826 and 4836

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 2:57 AM ET #4844

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:



    This isn't difficult stuff rostos...  What are you confused about?  Still don't understand what a contradiction is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:



    This isn't difficult stuff rostos...  What are you confused about?  Still don't understand what a contradiction is?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 3:00 AM ET #4845

    If altar boys could get pregnant, the Catholic Church would be pro-contraception.
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    If altar boys could get pregnant, the Catholic Church would be pro-contraception.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 3:01 AM ET #4846

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I cant resist.

    You have a real problem with the difference between concepts of facts and concepts of morality.

    This is not a morality issue.  Just because you use the word "right or wrong" doesnt make it an issue of morality.  The words right or wrong can be used also to determine factuality such as "water is made up of H2O" is right not wrong.  The statement that water is H2O is not a moral issue.

    If the prevailing morality of society deemed that belief in god was mandatory, then I would be seen as wrong by that subjective morality to not believe in god.  Can we get passed these repetitive questions about the concept and move on to validity?  Jeesh.

     

    MORALS ARE NOT TANGIBLE , MORALS ARE A SET OF BELIEFS....

    BELIEFS ARE BELIEFS........

    Man, i give up, i really do.......

    You agree that subjectivism is based on personal taste and preference, then i tell you my opinion on Anthony and you say i am wrong......Somehow, you seem to think that the definition of subjectivism CHANGES when it comes to morality, Then i ask you to what standard you have, you then say what is popular......

    Seriously mate, everytime i talk to you guys, it just further strengthens my faith in God. Knowing that the other side is just absurd, irrational and full of contradictions....

    Even your mate KK ADMITTED that i was right in regards to morality , have a look yourself, i gave him a similar scenario to the one above and he said i was right...At least he is consistent with his answer, you on the other hand, give me a statement, then when we apply it to a real life example you contradict it...

    Sorry bud....But honestly i dont think you know what you are talking about, i really dont...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I cant resist.

    You have a real problem with the difference between concepts of facts and concepts of morality.

    This is not a morality issue.  Just because you use the word "right or wrong" doesnt make it an issue of morality.  The words right or wrong can be used also to determine factuality such as "water is made up of H2O" is right not wrong.  The statement that water is H2O is not a moral issue.

    If the prevailing morality of society deemed that belief in god was mandatory, then I would be seen as wrong by that subjective morality to not believe in god.  Can we get passed these repetitive questions about the concept and move on to validity?  Jeesh.

     

    MORALS ARE NOT TANGIBLE , MORALS ARE A SET OF BELIEFS....

    BELIEFS ARE BELIEFS........

    Man, i give up, i really do.......

    You agree that subjectivism is based on personal taste and preference, then i tell you my opinion on Anthony and you say i am wrong......Somehow, you seem to think that the definition of subjectivism CHANGES when it comes to morality, Then i ask you to what standard you have, you then say what is popular......

    Seriously mate, everytime i talk to you guys, it just further strengthens my faith in God. Knowing that the other side is just absurd, irrational and full of contradictions....

    Even your mate KK ADMITTED that i was right in regards to morality , have a look yourself, i gave him a similar scenario to the one above and he said i was right...At least he is consistent with his answer, you on the other hand, give me a statement, then when we apply it to a real life example you contradict it...

    Sorry bud....But honestly i dont think you know what you are talking about, i really dont...

     
    Rostos
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 3:02 AM ET #4847

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    If altar boys could get pregnant, the Catholic Church would be pro-contraception.

    Thats all what you are good at, isnt it? Massive insecurities against Christians and Catholics...

    If only Stalina and Pot werent atheists, maybe there would 100 million more people living......

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    If altar boys could get pregnant, the Catholic Church would be pro-contraception.

    Thats all what you are good at, isnt it? Massive insecurities against Christians and Catholics...

    If only Stalina and Pot werent atheists, maybe there would 100 million more people living......

     
    vanzack
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 3:02 AM ET #4848

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    once you answer this, i will answer the others....

    Cmon Vaz, the majority or popular belief determines what is right or wrong...The majority of the world believe in a higher being or supreme being, surely they are right?

    PLEASE ANSWER POSTS 4826 and 4836.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    once you answer this, i will answer the others....

    Cmon Vaz, the majority or popular belief determines what is right or wrong...The majority of the world believe in a higher being or supreme being, surely they are right?

    PLEASE ANSWER POSTS 4826 and 4836.

     
    vanzack
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 3:04 AM ET #4849

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

     

    MORALS ARE NOT TANGIBLE , MORALS ARE A SET OF BELIEFS....

    BELIEFS ARE BELIEFS........

    Man, i give up, i really do.......

    You agree that subjectivism is based on personal taste and preference, then i tell you my opinion on Anthony and you say i am wrong......Somehow, you seem to think that the definition of subjectivism CHANGES when it comes to morality, Then i ask you to what standard you have, you then say what is popular......

    Seriously mate, everytime i talk to you guys, it just further strengthens my faith in God. Knowing that the other side is just absurd, irrational and full of contradictions....

    Even your mate KK ADMITTED that i was right in regards to morality , have a look yourself, i gave him a similar scenario to the one above and he said i was right...At least he is consistent with his answer, you on the other hand, give me a statement, then when we apply it to a real life example you contradict it...

    Sorry bud....But honestly i dont think you know what you are talking about, i really dont...

    Do you think the question of whether god exists or not is a question of morality?

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

     

    MORALS ARE NOT TANGIBLE , MORALS ARE A SET OF BELIEFS....

    BELIEFS ARE BELIEFS........

    Man, i give up, i really do.......

    You agree that subjectivism is based on personal taste and preference, then i tell you my opinion on Anthony and you say i am wrong......Somehow, you seem to think that the definition of subjectivism CHANGES when it comes to morality, Then i ask you to what standard you have, you then say what is popular......

    Seriously mate, everytime i talk to you guys, it just further strengthens my faith in God. Knowing that the other side is just absurd, irrational and full of contradictions....

    Even your mate KK ADMITTED that i was right in regards to morality , have a look yourself, i gave him a similar scenario to the one above and he said i was right...At least he is consistent with his answer, you on the other hand, give me a statement, then when we apply it to a real life example you contradict it...

    Sorry bud....But honestly i dont think you know what you are talking about, i really dont...

    Do you think the question of whether god exists or not is a question of morality?

     
     
    vanzack
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2012 - 3:05 AM ET #4850

    IS MURDER MORALLY WORSE THAN A LIE?
    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    IS MURDER MORALLY WORSE THAN A LIE?
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