Under absolute morality, you cannot impose anyting subjective.
The 10 commandments are absolute moral rules.
These are two commandments:
1. Thou shall not kill. 2. Honor your mother and father.
If you mom and dad commanded you to kill someone, what should you do?
Im not looking for an answer to that question. I would like you to tell me what method someone should take to answer that question without inserting subjectivity.
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Rostos -
Under absolute morality, you cannot impose anyting subjective.
The 10 commandments are absolute moral rules.
These are two commandments:
1. Thou shall not kill. 2. Honor your mother and father.
If you mom and dad commanded you to kill someone, what should you do?
Im not looking for an answer to that question. I would like you to tell me what method someone should take to answer that question without inserting subjectivity.
You invent the conversation, and then call it absurd. Strange.
I am showing you how absurd atheism is, that is why i am calling it absurd..
There is no absolute right or wrong Rostos. Read that again. So it does matter what society thinks. Society has more power than the individual, so it matters what society thinks about subjective morality.
Your raw eggs example once again is not morality. Please give a relevant example of morality. SJP beauty, and eating raw eggs are not moral issues.
Oh man, it doesnt matter what it is, it doesnt matter, it is showing you subjectivism, subjectivism is subjectivism, doesnt matter what it is , taste, morals, beauty, sport, it doesnt matter.....Subjectivism is PERSONAL TASTE, PREFERNCE.......DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS?
But lets just say that society has made a law that you cant eat raw eggs, because of the subjective morality of that society. You would and could be judged to be in violation of that morality - and punished for it.
SO now the law dictates what is right or wrong? What about laws unders regime? Killing the person? Hey that was the law. Under your example, what he did was right? because you are sighting the law.......You cannot use the law to determine what is right or wrong objectively.....What about Saddam Hussein? Gadafi? These are all govts.......
For the 10th time, you are hung up on right or wrong. In my position - there is no absolute right or wrong - subjective morality determines right or wrong.
You will say that now, but if i went in on the Casey Anthony thread and said what i said, will you reply with, "we dont agree with you, but you are not wrong"?
Honestly, just honestly answer that? Will you or not?
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
You invent the conversation, and then call it absurd. Strange.
I am showing you how absurd atheism is, that is why i am calling it absurd..
There is no absolute right or wrong Rostos. Read that again. So it does matter what society thinks. Society has more power than the individual, so it matters what society thinks about subjective morality.
Your raw eggs example once again is not morality. Please give a relevant example of morality. SJP beauty, and eating raw eggs are not moral issues.
Oh man, it doesnt matter what it is, it doesnt matter, it is showing you subjectivism, subjectivism is subjectivism, doesnt matter what it is , taste, morals, beauty, sport, it doesnt matter.....Subjectivism is PERSONAL TASTE, PREFERNCE.......DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS?
But lets just say that society has made a law that you cant eat raw eggs, because of the subjective morality of that society. You would and could be judged to be in violation of that morality - and punished for it.
SO now the law dictates what is right or wrong? What about laws unders regime? Killing the person? Hey that was the law. Under your example, what he did was right? because you are sighting the law.......You cannot use the law to determine what is right or wrong objectively.....What about Saddam Hussein? Gadafi? These are all govts.......
For the 10th time, you are hung up on right or wrong. In my position - there is no absolute right or wrong - subjective morality determines right or wrong.
You will say that now, but if i went in on the Casey Anthony thread and said what i said, will you reply with, "we dont agree with you, but you are not wrong"?
Honestly, just honestly answer that? Will you or not?
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
Timothy 1 chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
Rostos -
If the above is the absolute morality regarding women in the NEW testament - would you say that this morality applies today?
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Corninthians 11:
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
Timothy 1 chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
Rostos -
If the above is the absolute morality regarding women in the NEW testament - would you say that this morality applies today?
You will say that now, but if i went in on the Casey Anthony thread and said what i said, will you reply with, "we dont agree with you, but you are not wrong"?
Honestly, just honestly answer that? Will you or not?
I would say you are wrong.
But the definition of the word wrong is implied to be by my own subjective morality, not some absolute morality.
Read it again. I am hoping we can get past the definition of the concept and on to a discussion about its merits. It is a simple concept. You might not agree, and we can discuss that - but we have been having this same conversation for months and you refuse to acknowledge that you understand the concept.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
You will say that now, but if i went in on the Casey Anthony thread and said what i said, will you reply with, "we dont agree with you, but you are not wrong"?
Honestly, just honestly answer that? Will you or not?
I would say you are wrong.
But the definition of the word wrong is implied to be by my own subjective morality, not some absolute morality.
Read it again. I am hoping we can get past the definition of the concept and on to a discussion about its merits. It is a simple concept. You might not agree, and we can discuss that - but we have been having this same conversation for months and you refuse to acknowledge that you understand the concept.
Subjective morality judges what is right and wrong all the time.
Do you know what youa re saying now? I dont think you do.
Is pot absolutely morally wrong? Society has determined by their subjective morality that it is, and punishes those that dont follow that morality.
Ok, lets play your game...The majority think smoking pot is wrong, but the minority dont think so. WHY IS THE MAJORITY OF SOCIETIES TASTE AND PREFERNCE IN SMOKING POT RIGHT? IT IS ONLY THERE PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND TASTE.
So it doesnt matter whether you think society can call a pot user right or wrong - that user can still be punished.
Now you are using something that is under the law, what about adultery? Is someone that cheats on his wife wrong? The law doesnt punish you for that.........
That is subjective morality.
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Subjective morality judges what is right and wrong all the time.
Do you know what youa re saying now? I dont think you do.
Is pot absolutely morally wrong? Society has determined by their subjective morality that it is, and punishes those that dont follow that morality.
Ok, lets play your game...The majority think smoking pot is wrong, but the minority dont think so. WHY IS THE MAJORITY OF SOCIETIES TASTE AND PREFERNCE IN SMOKING POT RIGHT? IT IS ONLY THERE PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND TASTE.
So it doesnt matter whether you think society can call a pot user right or wrong - that user can still be punished.
Now you are using something that is under the law, what about adultery? Is someone that cheats on his wife wrong? The law doesnt punish you for that.........
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
Does that help?
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Maybe this will help.
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
Under absolute morality, you cannot impose anyting subjective.
The 10 commandments are absolute moral rules.
These are two commandments:
1. Thou shall not kill. 2. Honor your mother and father.
If you mom and dad commanded you to kill someone, what should you do?
Im not looking for an answer to that question. I would like you to tell me what method someone should take to answer that question without inserting subjectivity.
God JUDGES YOU ACCORDINGLY TO YOUR MORAL BEHAVIOUR AND FREE WILL.
If you are under DURESS, then i am very very very very sure to the millionth degree that God in his grace takes that into account...
You cant use duress as an example of followng the bible or not...That is why we shouldnt judge...Because only God knows.
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Rostos -
Under absolute morality, you cannot impose anyting subjective.
The 10 commandments are absolute moral rules.
These are two commandments:
1. Thou shall not kill. 2. Honor your mother and father.
If you mom and dad commanded you to kill someone, what should you do?
Im not looking for an answer to that question. I would like you to tell me what method someone should take to answer that question without inserting subjectivity.
God JUDGES YOU ACCORDINGLY TO YOUR MORAL BEHAVIOUR AND FREE WILL.
If you are under DURESS, then i am very very very very sure to the millionth degree that God in his grace takes that into account...
You cant use duress as an example of followng the bible or not...That is why we shouldnt judge...Because only God knows.
Ok, lets play your game...The majority think smoking pot is wrong, but the minority dont think so. WHY IS THE MAJORITY OF SOCIETIES TASTE AND PREFERNCE IN SMOKING POT RIGHT? IT IS ONLY THERE PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND TASTE.
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
It is right because the majority of society has the power to say it is right, and the definition of "right" is not from absolute morality, but from subjective morality.
Please just tell me you understand the concept and we can move on to a discussion of why you disagree.
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Ok, lets play your game...The majority think smoking pot is wrong, but the minority dont think so. WHY IS THE MAJORITY OF SOCIETIES TASTE AND PREFERNCE IN SMOKING POT RIGHT? IT IS ONLY THERE PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND TASTE.
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
It is right because the majority of society has the power to say it is right, and the definition of "right" is not from absolute morality, but from subjective morality.
Please just tell me you understand the concept and we can move on to a discussion of why you disagree.
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
Does that help?
No, you cant imply it....It is only a personal preference or taste, nothing more or less.....subjective means it is upto the inidvidual...You cant use popularity as a measuring stick of what is right or wrong.....
You do realise i am setting you up for something here, something that you will fall on own your sword.....
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Maybe this will help.
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
Does that help?
No, you cant imply it....It is only a personal preference or taste, nothing more or less.....subjective means it is upto the inidvidual...You cant use popularity as a measuring stick of what is right or wrong.....
You do realise i am setting you up for something here, something that you will fall on own your sword.....
Now you are using something that is under the law, what about adultery? Is someone that cheats on his wife wrong? The law doesnt punish you for that.........
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
My subjective morality says it is wrong.
Societies subjective morality says it is wrong, but not to the degree that murder is wrong. That - in and of itself - is proof of subjective morality. Society has deemed that adultery is not as morally reprehensible as murder - and that is subjective.
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Now you are using something that is under the law, what about adultery? Is someone that cheats on his wife wrong? The law doesnt punish you for that.........
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
My subjective morality says it is wrong.
Societies subjective morality says it is wrong, but not to the degree that murder is wrong. That - in and of itself - is proof of subjective morality. Society has deemed that adultery is not as morally reprehensible as murder - and that is subjective.
God JUDGES YOU ACCORDINGLY TO YOUR MORAL BEHAVIOUR AND FREE WILL.
If you are under DURESS, then i am very very very very sure to the millionth degree that God in his grace takes that into account...
You cant use duress as an example of followng the bible or not...That is why we shouldnt judge...Because only God knows.
You didnt read my post.
I didnt ask you to answer the issue of what to do.
I did ask you to answer the logic flaw of HOW to answer the question. You cannot answer that question without inserting subjectivity. It is logically impossible.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
God JUDGES YOU ACCORDINGLY TO YOUR MORAL BEHAVIOUR AND FREE WILL.
If you are under DURESS, then i am very very very very sure to the millionth degree that God in his grace takes that into account...
You cant use duress as an example of followng the bible or not...That is why we shouldnt judge...Because only God knows.
You didnt read my post.
I didnt ask you to answer the issue of what to do.
I did ask you to answer the logic flaw of HOW to answer the question. You cannot answer that question without inserting subjectivity. It is logically impossible.
No, you cant imply it....It is only a personal preference or taste, nothing more or less.....subjective means it is upto the inidvidual...You cant use popularity as a measuring stick of what is right or wrong.....
You do realise i am setting you up for something here, something that you will fall on own your sword.....
Who makes these rules? You?
I am telling you - that under my view of subjective morality - the following applies when I use the terms right or wrong: Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
No, you cant imply it....It is only a personal preference or taste, nothing more or less.....subjective means it is upto the inidvidual...You cant use popularity as a measuring stick of what is right or wrong.....
You do realise i am setting you up for something here, something that you will fall on own your sword.....
Who makes these rules? You?
I am telling you - that under my view of subjective morality - the following applies when I use the terms right or wrong: Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
Ok, lets play your game...The majority think smoking pot is wrong, but the minority dont think so. WHY IS THE MAJORITY OF SOCIETIES TASTE AND PREFERNCE IN SMOKING POT RIGHT? IT IS ONLY THERE PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND TASTE.
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
Nothing is implied in subjectivism.....It is personal taste, nothing more, nothing else....I cant believe you dont see that.....
It is right because the majority of society has the power to say it is right, and the definition of "right" is not from absolute morality, but from subjective morality.
Please just tell me you understand the concept and we can move on to a discussion of why you disagree.
Yes, but you are using govt laws as some sort of justification for subjectivism......as i have shown you, under different govts, different rules come into effect.....
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Ok, lets play your game...The majority think smoking pot is wrong, but the minority dont think so. WHY IS THE MAJORITY OF SOCIETIES TASTE AND PREFERNCE IN SMOKING POT RIGHT? IT IS ONLY THERE PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND TASTE.
Since there is no absolute morality, any time the word "right" or "wrong" is used to judge something - it is implied that it is subjective morality that is determining the outcome.
Nothing is implied in subjectivism.....It is personal taste, nothing more, nothing else....I cant believe you dont see that.....
It is right because the majority of society has the power to say it is right, and the definition of "right" is not from absolute morality, but from subjective morality.
Please just tell me you understand the concept and we can move on to a discussion of why you disagree.
Yes, but you are using govt laws as some sort of justification for subjectivism......as i have shown you, under different govts, different rules come into effect.....
And that is my point....That is all i need to know that you seriously have no idea or clue what you are talking about..
You have no idea....i am sorry to say it, but a philosophy professor would be laughing at you right now, really would.....You are contradicting yourself......
if something is subjective, THEN ONE PERSON CANNOT TELL ANOTHER PERSON THEY ARE WRONG, THEY CAN ONLY DISAGREE< BUT CANNOT SAY THEY ARE WRONG......dear oh dear
But the definition of the word wrong is implied to be by my own subjective morality, not some absolute morality.
Read it again. I am hoping we can get past the definition of the concept and on to a discussion about its merits. It is a simple concept. You might not agree, and we can discuss that - but we have been having this same conversation for months and you refuse to acknowledge that you understand the concept.
Oh dear....I am afraid you would get a big F if you did philiosophy
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
I would say you are wrong.
And that is my point....That is all i need to know that you seriously have no idea or clue what you are talking about..
You have no idea....i am sorry to say it, but a philosophy professor would be laughing at you right now, really would.....You are contradicting yourself......
if something is subjective, THEN ONE PERSON CANNOT TELL ANOTHER PERSON THEY ARE WRONG, THEY CAN ONLY DISAGREE< BUT CANNOT SAY THEY ARE WRONG......dear oh dear
But the definition of the word wrong is implied to be by my own subjective morality, not some absolute morality.
Read it again. I am hoping we can get past the definition of the concept and on to a discussion about its merits. It is a simple concept. You might not agree, and we can discuss that - but we have been having this same conversation for months and you refuse to acknowledge that you understand the concept.
Oh dear....I am afraid you would get a big F if you did philiosophy
And that is my point....That is all i need to know that you seriously have no idea or clue what you are talking about..
You have no idea....i am sorry to say it, but a philosophy professor would be laughing at you right now, really would.....You are contradicting yourself......
if something is subjective, THEN ONE PERSON CANNOT TELL ANOTHER PERSON THEY ARE WRONG, THEY CAN ONLY DISAGREE< BUT CANNOT SAY THEY ARE WRONG......dear oh dear
Its funny that you are trying to prove your point by bringing in the opinions of an imaginary philosophy professor. Remember what you said about popularity? Ironic that you try to prove your point through popularity than facts - even if that popularity is imaginary.
Once again, I can tell you that you are wrong based on my subjective morality. How about instead of you telling me what I can and cant do with my language - tell me why my CONCEPT is incorrect. Lets get past this. I get it. You think that the words right and wrong can only be used if you subscribe to absolute morality. But you cant make those rules.
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And that is my point....That is all i need to know that you seriously have no idea or clue what you are talking about..
You have no idea....i am sorry to say it, but a philosophy professor would be laughing at you right now, really would.....You are contradicting yourself......
if something is subjective, THEN ONE PERSON CANNOT TELL ANOTHER PERSON THEY ARE WRONG, THEY CAN ONLY DISAGREE< BUT CANNOT SAY THEY ARE WRONG......dear oh dear
Its funny that you are trying to prove your point by bringing in the opinions of an imaginary philosophy professor. Remember what you said about popularity? Ironic that you try to prove your point through popularity than facts - even if that popularity is imaginary.
Once again, I can tell you that you are wrong based on my subjective morality. How about instead of you telling me what I can and cant do with my language - tell me why my CONCEPT is incorrect. Lets get past this. I get it. You think that the words right and wrong can only be used if you subscribe to absolute morality. But you cant make those rules.
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
Timothy 1 chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
Rostos -
If the above is the absolute morality regarding women in the NEW testament - would you say that this morality applies today?
I would really like you to answer the above.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Corninthians 11:
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels.
Timothy 1 chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
Rostos -
If the above is the absolute morality regarding women in the NEW testament - would you say that this morality applies today?
Thats a cute video of one mans opinions, filled with anecdotal stories. Unfortunately, no evidence - just opinions.
I didnt really learn anything from it.
When I hear something like "98% of the people I talk to end up confessing that they believe in absolute morality..." I immediately understand that this is a persuasion of opinion rather than a discussion of fact.
Thats fine. There is room for opinions. But certainly there is nothing in that video that proves a point.
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Thats a cute video of one mans opinions, filled with anecdotal stories. Unfortunately, no evidence - just opinions.
I didnt really learn anything from it.
When I hear something like "98% of the people I talk to end up confessing that they believe in absolute morality..." I immediately understand that this is a persuasion of opinion rather than a discussion of fact.
Thats fine. There is room for opinions. But certainly there is nothing in that video that proves a point.
Cmon mate, you have argued that morals are subjective, then in the same sentence you have said my views on Anthony are wrong..
Seriously, you are not talking to a child here....Any professor in phikosophy will give you an F for that......
For the last time, the ONLY thing you can say is, "I disagree with you, however, you are NOT wrong and i am not right either"...
What is Relativism?
When a person claims that all points of view of reality are of equal value, surely he/she ends up in relativism. When a point of view lacks a common reference to reality, it amounts to the mere opinion of the subject who holds that opinion.
Cmon mate, you have argued that morals are subjective, then in the same sentence you have said my views on Anthony are wrong..
Seriously, you are not talking to a child here....Any professor in phikosophy will give you an F for that......
For the last time, the ONLY thing you can say is, "I disagree with you, however, you are NOT wrong and i am not right either"...
What is Relativism?
When a person claims that all points of view of reality are of equal value, surely he/she ends up in relativism. When a point of view lacks a common reference to reality, it amounts to the mere opinion of the subject who holds that opinion.
Cmon mate, you have argued that morals are subjective, then in the same sentence you have said my views on Anthony are wrong..
Seriously, you are not talking to a child here....Any professor in phikosophy will give you an F for that......
For the last time, the ONLY thing you can say is, "I disagree with you, however, you are NOT wrong and i am not right either"...
What is Relativism?
When a person claims that all points of view of reality are of equal value, surely he/she ends up in relativism. When a point of view lacks a common reference to reality, it amounts to the mere opinion of the subject who holds that opinion.
Rostos -
Your views are wrong based on my subjective morality.
I dont know what else to say. I wish we could have a discussion about the merits of the concept - but we cant even agree on the definition. It is a shame.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Cmon mate, you have argued that morals are subjective, then in the same sentence you have said my views on Anthony are wrong..
Seriously, you are not talking to a child here....Any professor in phikosophy will give you an F for that......
For the last time, the ONLY thing you can say is, "I disagree with you, however, you are NOT wrong and i am not right either"...
What is Relativism?
When a person claims that all points of view of reality are of equal value, surely he/she ends up in relativism. When a point of view lacks a common reference to reality, it amounts to the mere opinion of the subject who holds that opinion.
Rostos -
Your views are wrong based on my subjective morality.
I dont know what else to say. I wish we could have a discussion about the merits of the concept - but we cant even agree on the definition. It is a shame.
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